Allocator and asset management expert, Ted Seides, conducts in-depth interviews with interviews with top institutional money managers across private markets. Guests include principals and senior leaders from private equity, private credit, real assets, and other alternatives. We dive deep into individual deals to learn about deal dynamics, companies, and ownership that make private equity a force in institutional portfolios and the global economy. Learn more and join our community at capitalallocators.com.
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Striking Oil – CrownRock by Lime Rock Capital (S3.EP.11)
Season 3 · Episode 11
Monday, January 20, 2025 • Duration 01:06:32
When you think of the greatest private equity deals of all time, names like Google, Facebook, Uber, Dell, and Hilton come to mind. After a recent episode of Private Equity Deals, you might also think about 3G’s acquisition of Burger King.
But I’d bet you wouldn’t think about an oil and gas play called CrownRock. Lime Rock Capital created CrownRock alongside a management team with $96.5 million of cash and assets in 2007. Seventeen years later, sold the business to Occidental Petroleum for $12.5 billion.
Lime Rock’s original investment made 79x its money, a net IRR of 18%, and $7.5 billion in gains, which ranks in the top ten fully exited private equity deals of all time. It also exited a continuation vehicle that generated 3x its cost over the last six years of the deal’s life.
My guests to discuss the firm and its grand slam CrownRock deal are Lime Rock Managing Directors John Reynolds, Jonathan Farber, and J McLane.
Our conversation covers Lime Rock’s investment approach and the example of CrownRock. We dive into the initial investment thesis around vertical drilling, the three extinction threats to the business, innovation of horizontal drilling, management excellence, exit options along the way, and the ‘forever hold’ mindset that allowed CrownRock to compound extraordinary amounts of capital.
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Asset Management Consolidation - Simon Krinsky, Hall Capital and Tim McCusker, NEPC (S3.EP.10)
Season 3 · Episode 10
Monday, December 9, 2024 • Duration 01:02:04
Consolidation in asset management is one of the industry's most important trends. When any industry enters a mature phase, consolidation brings the benefits of economies of scale, product depth, and broader services to meet client demands. We’ve seen a rising tide of merger activity in recent years, effecting both asset managers and allocators alike.
My guests on today’s show are leaders of two organizations that announced mergers in October – Simon Krinsky, a Managing Partner at Hall Capital and Tim McCusker, CIO at NEPC. Hall announced a merger with Pathstone, adding its $45 billion in assets to Pathstone’s $100 billion. NEPC announced a sale of a majority stake in its firm to Hightower Holdings, adding NEPC’s $1.8 trillion of assets under advisement to Hightower’s $130 billion of assets under management. Both Hall and NEPC have been longstanding independent organizations that are selling to a partner backed by private equity owners.
Simon and Tim walk through their rationale for the transactions, deal process from idea to signing, and opportunities and challenges going forward. The organizations share similarities in their long independent history, broad equity ownership, and investment capability, while also having significant differences in their new partners, incentive structure, and plan to service clients. Together, Simon and Tim offer an inside look at dealmaking in asset management.
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Rockefeller Capital Management – Greg Fleming (Rockefeller Capital Management), (S3.EP.02)
Season 3 · Episode 2
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 • Duration 53:35
Greg Fleming is the CEO of Rockefeller Capital Management, a business he created alongside the Rockefeller family and Viking Global Investors with the purchase of Rockefeller & Co. in 2018. He was a guest describing his background and the early years of RCM on Capital Allocators, and that conversation is replayed in the feed.
Rockefeller Capital Management is a platform that encompasses private wealth management, strategic advisory, and asset management formed out of the former family office of the Rockefeller family that today advises on over $100 billion in assets.
Our conversation covers Greg’s vision for Rockefeller Capital, the deal to purchase Rockefeller & Co, tuck-in acquisitions of private wealth managers, development of strategic advisory, and refining of the asset management business. We discuss the tuck-in acquisition process, including sourcing, diligence, deal structure, and integration, and the technology and operations required to make it work. We close discussing the recent recapitalization of RCM by the Desmarais family and Greg’s aspirations for the next five years.
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[REPLAY] Greg Fleming – Building and Running Rockefeller Capital Management (Capital Allocators, EP.125)
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 • Duration 01:01:43
Greg Fleming is the founding CEO of Rockefeller Capital Management, where he took the helm of a storied family office in 2018 to build and serve other families and institutions as well. Prior to taking on this challenge, Greg was the President of Morgan Stanley Wealth Management and Morgan Stanley Investment Management and before that spent seventeen years at Merrill Lynch, culminating in serving as President and Chief Operating Officer from 2007-2009.
Our conversation walks through some of Greg’s career path, including highlights from the financial crisis, and the Rockefeller Capital Management business and strategy. We hit on ESG investing, serving clients, and leadership. And I couldn’t help asking Greg about his relationship with Yankee great Derek Jeter.
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TigerRisk – Chris Ackerman (Flexpoint Ford), (S3.EP.01)
Season 3 · Episode 1
Wednesday, September 6, 2023 • Duration 41:59
Chris Ackerman is a Managing Director at Flexpoint Ford, a Chicago-based private equity firm founded in 2005 that manages $7.5 billion targeting investments in the healthcare and financial services sectors.
TigerRisk is an independent reinsurance broker and capital advisory firm founded in 2008. The company was founder and employee-owned at the time of Flexpoint Ford’s investment and had grown to become the fourth-largest reinsurance broker in the world, sitting below the big three of Aon, Marsh McClennan’s Guy Carpenter, and Willis Re.
Our conversation covers the history of TigerRisk and its differentiation as a preferred alternative to the big three. We discuss Flexpoint’s sourcing of the deal, perceived investment opportunity and risk, and Covid disruption to the deal process. We turn to the business performance, culture as a competitive advantage, alignment of incentives, unexpected sale, and lessons learned.
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Classic Deal: HCA – Chris Gordon, Bain Capital
Monday, August 28, 2023 • Duration 52:44
Next week, we’ll release the first episode of Season 3 of Private Equity Deals, this time focusing on deals in the middle market.
As an interlude between Season 2 and 3, this week’s show is a classic – it’s Bain Capital and KKR’s take private of Hospital Corporation of America (HCA) in 2006. The $33 billion club deal was the largest private equity transaction in history at the time and was significantly larger than any deal since KKR’s famous run at RJR Nabisco in the late 1980s. The HCA deal showed the private equity industry the scale of what was possible and set the stage for both mega buyouts and public to private deals ever since.
My guest is Chris Gordon, a Partner and Co-Head of Private Equity in North America for Bain Capital. Bain Capital today is one of the world’s largest private, multi-asset investing firms that oversees over $165 billion in assets. Seventeen years ago, Chris was a younger member of Bain Capital’s HCA deal team.
HCA is one of the nation’s leading healthcare services providers, with over 182 hospitals and 2,300 sites of care in 20 states and the United Kingdom. Its origins date back to 1968 when it was one of the first hospital companies in the United States.
Our conversation covers HCA’s history, the private equity environment in the mid-2000s, and the impetus for the HCA buyout. We discuss the complexity of navigating a large-scale transaction, conducting due diligence discretely, navigating the financial crisis, and what happened to the company. We turn to HCA’s return to the public markets through an IPO in 2011, Bain Capital’s eventual exit of the investment, and the implications of the deal on the firm and industry.
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Breitling – Andreas Holzmueller and Luke Chapman (Partners Group), (S2.EP.08)
Season 2 · Episode 8
Wednesday, June 14, 2023 • Duration 32:37
Andreas Holzmueller and Luke Chapman represent Partners Group, an investment firm that canvasses buyouts, real estate, infrastructure, and private credit with $135 billion under management, $71 billion of which is in private equity.
Breitling is one of the leading Swiss watchmakers, founded in 1884 as a pioneer in aviation-focused technology, and which today, is positioned as a casual, inclusive, and sustainable luxury brand.
Our conversation covers Partners Group’s thematic approach, Breitling’s long history, and its characteristics as a luxury brand business. We discuss Partners’ initial purchase of a minority stake in the business, its path to buying a controlling stake, and plans to grow the business from here.
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Mavis Tire Express Services – David Roux and Tom O’Rourke (BayPine), (S2.EP.07)
Season 2 · Episode 7
Wednesday, May 31, 2023 • Duration 45:55
David Roux and Tom O’Rourke lead BayPine, a private equity firm founded in 2019 that manages $3 billion across healthcare, consumer, industrials, and business services with a focus on growth through digital transformation.
Mavis is an independent tire dealer and aftermarket auto service provider with over 1,100 locations in the U.S. The chain dates back to 1949 and has experienced a growth explosion the last decade adding 1,000 service centers since 2015.
Our conversation covers BayPine’s strategy of digitally transforming core economy businesses, Mavis’ 74-year history, sourcing the investment, due diligence, differentiating BayPine’s bid, executing the digital strategy, and navigating macroeconomic headwinds.
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Brent Beshore is the founder and CEO of Permanent Equity, an investor in small, family-owned private businesses it buys with no intention to sell through investment vehicles with 30-year lives. He is well-followed on Twitter and a past guest on Capital Allocators, and that conversation is replayed in the feed.
Selective Search is the highest end matchmaking firm in the world. It helps its busy, successful clients find long-term committed relationships. As Brent describes, it conducts executive search for love.
Our conversation covers the matchmaking business, deal assessment and dynamics, enhancements during the four years of Permanent Equity’s ownership, and future plans.
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Brent Beshore is the founder and CEO of Adventur.es, an investment firm that buys small family-owned businesses with the intention of holding them indefinitely. After launching a few businesses out of college, Brent developed a distinct investment strategy and style. Earlier this year, he raised outside capital for the first time in a permanent capital vehicle, and I am a happy investor in the fund.
Brent regularly shares his insights on business and investing through his widely distributed letters on his website and commentary on Twitter. And just last week, he released his first book, The Messy Marketplace: Selling Your Business in a World of Imperfect Buyers. It’s a fantastic instructional guide that covers everything from emotional expectations to the fine print in documentation.
Our conversation covers Brent’s childhood interest in business, early mistakes, structural differences in his strategy from traditional private equity, search funds and fundless sponsors, sourcing deals, conducting due diligence, understanding valuation, negotiating, raising a first-time permanent capital vehicle, entering the ranks of professionals, and his new book.
Brent is unusually insightful about investing in general and deeply knowledgeable about the niche he occupies.
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