Explore every episode of the podcast Pondering Play and Therapy Podcast
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| EP69 Understanding Attachment: Tools for Families and Therapists; A Conversation with Viv Norris | 29 May 2026 | 01:01:25 | |
Julie welcomes Viv Norris, founder and CEO of the Family Place on the Welsh borders, supporting adoptive and other families across Wales and parts of England, and co-founder of Theraplay UK. Viv traces her path from intense residential therapeutic work with adolescents, through music therapy training and clinical psychology, into 20 years in the NHS and later fostering and adoption services. She explains why she built an independent, team-based service centred on carers, group supervision and video review, and approaches like DDP and Theraplay to support regulation, attachment and relationship, often as “therapy before therapy” for highly dysregulated children and families in crisis. Viv also outlines her “By Your Side” transition model, using predictable play rituals, shared language and adult support to help children navigate placement moves and multiple losses. Website: https://thefamilyplace.co.uk/ By Your Side Model: https://thefamilyplace.co.uk/by-your-side/ | |||
| EP68 Post-COVID Childhood Anxiety, Insights for Parents and Therapist; A Conversation with Mandy Jones-Fischer | 22 May 2026 | 00:52:17 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa welcomes back Chicago-based child therapist Mandy Jones to discuss how COVID continues to affect children and families five to six years on. Mandy shares what she’s seeing in her practice with mostly under-8s, especially “COVID babies” now entering or finishing kindergarten: higher baseline anxiety, difficulty with transitions, separation distress, shutdowns or big behaviours, and heightened concerns about germs and mess. They explore how pandemic stress during pregnancy, disrupted birth experiences, reduced touch and co-regulation, and isolation may have shaped children’s nervous systems and sense of safety. The conversation highlights practical support through predictability, attunement, co-regulation, and parent and school understanding, emphasising hope, brain development, and that parents are not to blame. | |||
| EP59 Exploring Therapeutic Life Story Work with Katie Wrench | 06 Mar 2026 | 00:50:27 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa talks with Katie Wrench, a social worker, psychotherapist, head of service at BUSS, and an author. Katie discusses therapeutic life story work, explaining its importance for children who have experienced disruption, particularly those in foster care or adoption. She emphasises the need to help children develop a coherent narrative of their journey, integrating their fragmented memories to understand their identity and relationships better. Katie also addresses the role of social workers and caregivers, the challenges of involving children in life story work, and the importance of maintaining memory boxes and emotional regulation. She further elaborates on the intersection between life story work and sensory systems in therapy. Katie's insights highlight the impact of memories and storytelling on children's development and the critical role of caregivers in this process. | |||
| EP58 Exploring the Journey to becoming a Clinical Psychologist. A conversation with Oliver | 27 Feb 2026 | 00:49:07 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' host Philippa welcomes Oliver, a trainee clinical psychologist. They discuss the extensive and multifaceted training path for clinical psychologists in the UK, which includes clinical placements, research, and academic work. Oliver explains the importance of evidence-based practice, the variety of therapeutic approaches like CBT, DBT, and CFT, and the practical challenges faced during training. He shares his diverse experiences working in acute and urgent care, CAMHS, and other settings. The conversation also highlights the competitive nature of gaining entry to doctoral programs and the ongoing efforts to diversify the field of clinical psychology. | |||
| EP57 Healing Journeys; In Conversation with Kim Golding | 20 Feb 2026 | 00:52:08 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa interviews Kim Golding, CBE, a clinical psychologist, author, and expert in dyadic developmental psychotherapy (DDP) with over 30 years of experience. Kim shares her unconventional journey into psychology, her long tenure in the NHS, and her work with children affected by early relational trauma. The discussion covers the evolution of attachment theory, the challenges of working with foster and adoptive families, and the development and importance of the PACE model (Playfulness, Acceptance, Curiosity, and Empathy) in creating supportive environments for traumatised children. Kim also highlights the importance of long-term support for caregivers and introduces her upcoming book, aimed at making DDP approaches accessible through stories and visuals. https://kimsgolding.co.uk/ Creating Loving Attachments - https://amzn.eu/d/eeSBaCe | |||
| EP56 Towards a Play-Based Future - Eugene Minogue's Journey with Play England | 13 Feb 2026 | 01:02:52 | |
The State of Play in England: A Deep Dive with Eugene Minogue, Executive Director of Play England https://www.playengland.org.uk/what-we-do https://www.playengland.org.uk/newsblog/consultation-response-proposed-reforms-to-the-national-planning-policy-framework-nppf https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/proposed-reforms-to-the-national-planning-policy-framework-and-other-changes-to-the-planning-system/proposed-reforms-to-the-national-planning-policy-framework-and-other-changes-to-the-planning-system#scope-of-consultation
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| EP55 The Essence of Play - Nurturing Development in Children | 06 Feb 2026 | 00:55:55 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie explore the concept of 'just playing' in therapeutic contexts. They discuss the fine line between play and therapy, sharing personal anecdotes and insights on how play can serve different roles for children. They reflect on the pressure therapists face to meet goals within limited sessions and emphasise the importance of allowing children the freedom to guide the play. They also touch on building agency, establishing safety in relationships, and the therapeutic value of unstructured play. Window of Tolerance - Dan Seigel - https://www.nicabm.com/trauma-how-to-help-your-clients-understand-their-window-of-tolerance/ | |||
| EP54 The Heart of Justice - Child First Approach. A conversation with Ruth Hayles | 30 Jan 2026 | 00:54:09 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa interviews Ruth Hayles, service lead for Contextual Safeguarding and Youth Justice, about her 18-year career working across children's services. Ruth shares insights on her journey, highlighting the importance of early intervention, youth justice, and building trusting relationships with children and families. She explains concepts such as early help, child-first practice, and restorative justice. Ruth also discusses innovative programs like the 'fresh air approach,' emphasising creative and therapeutic methods to engage and support youth in the justice system. The episode underscores the significance of relational practice, trauma-informed care, and community involvement in transforming the lives of vulnerable children. | |||
| EP53 Behind the Quiet Child - Play Therapy for Young Carers; An Interview with Frankie | 23 Jan 2026 | 00:57:50 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' host Julie interviews Frankie, a recent graduate with a master's degree in play therapy from Roehampton University. They discuss Frankie's research on play therapy for young carers—children under 18 who provide emotional or physical care for a family member. The conversation explores the challenges young carers face, such as the burden of care, silenced voices, and systemic gaps in support. Frankie shares insights from interviews with play therapists and highlights the importance of early therapeutic interventions, advocacy, and awareness in supporting young carers. The episode emphasises the critical need for increased visibility and targeted support for these children within educational and therapeutic settings. | |||
| The Therapeutic Treasure Box: Insights from Dr. Karen Treisman | 16 Jan 2026 | 00:49:31 | |
Understanding Trauma in Children: Insights from Dr. Karen Treisman | Pondering Play and Therapy Website: https://safehandsthinkingminds.co.uk/ | |||
| EP51 - Stories of self-doubt and Imposter Syndrome; Julie interviews Philippa | 09 Jan 2026 | 01:19:21 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Julie interviews Philippa Kelly about her career journey in play therapy with children and families. Kelly reflects on her year-long co-hosting experience, her struggles with self-doubt, and how she overcame significant challenges. Key highlights include her path from a troubled school life to becoming a social worker, completing a family therapy degree, and ultimately, a practitioner at Gateway Psychological Services. The episode delves into her valuable lessons from mentors and experiences, emphasising the importance of communication, compassion, and critically evaluating therapeutic methods. Philippa candidly shares her ongoing struggles with imposter syndrome, offering a relatable perspective for fellow practitioners. | |||
| EP50 One year and 50 Episodes - Lessons Learned | 19 Dec 2025 | 00:51:32 | |
In the milestone 50th episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie reflect on their podcast journey over the past year. They discuss how the podcast has influenced their professional practices, thoughts about play and therapy, and personal growth. They also recount interviews with various experts, including insights on unstructured play, the role of play in emotional regulation, and the importance of both structured and free play in child development. Additionally, they invite listeners to engage with the podcast and share their own experiences and ideas for future episodes. The hosts express gratitude to their guests and audience and look ahead to exciting new content for the upcoming year. | |||
| EP67 Sarah Naish on Fostering, Therapeutic Parenting and More. | 15 May 2026 | 00:52:36 | |
Philippa welcomes Sarah Naish, bestselling author of The A–Z of Therapeutic Parenting, adopter of five siblings, foster carer, agency founder and keynote speaker. Sarah explains how the book grew from real-life notes and emails into a practical guide that helps carers understand fear-based, trauma-driven behaviour and respond with firm, fair boundaries, nurture, curiosity and linked logical consequences rather than punishment. They discuss how therapeutic parenting differs from “gentle parenting,” the exhaustion and repairs after ruptures, and how Sarah’s children’s books (including William Wobbly and others) help families “name the need” through story. Sarah outlines training and accredited qualifications via the Centre of Excellence in Child Trauma and the Trauma-Informed Parents Hub, plus tools for professionals to prevent blame and placement breakdown. They explore trauma-informed schools, supporting “fizzy” children with exit plans, concerns about screens for vulnerable children, and an upcoming A–Z for teens and tweens. Books - https://uk.jkp.com/collections/author-sarah-naish Website: https://www.coect.co.uk/ | |||
| EP 49 Exploring the Role of Play in Northern Ireland: A conversation with Alan Herron | 12 Dec 2025 | 01:01:46 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Julie hosts Alan Herron, CEO of Play Board Northern Ireland. They discuss the organisation’s 40-year history, founded during the troubles of the mid-1980s in Northern Ireland, to offer children safe play opportunities amidst political unrest. Alan shares insights on the significance of play in breaking down societal barriers and fostering community cohesion. They explore current programmes like Positive Playgrounds and inclusive play initiatives, emphasizing the ongoing need for planning reforms and a comprehensive play strategy to better serve children, including those with disabilities. Alan also reflects on his own play experiences and the importance of maintaining a participative approach in play. Website: www.playboard.org | |||
| EP 48 The Power of the Theatre: A Conversation with Sara Amanda | 05 Dec 2025 | 00:48:50 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa interviews Sarah Amanda, a relationship manager for the Arts Council England and a playwright, director, and dramaturg. They discuss the role of a dramaturg in shaping and supporting scripts, as well as the diverse responsibilities of a relationship manager in connecting artists and organisations across various art forms. Sarah shares her experiences with different projects, including mental health workshops for young people and a powerful personal film. They also explore the significance of diversity in theatre and how art serves as both a reflection of society and a source of communal connection and healing. YouTube Link: link https://youtu.be/lHOSFOvgvqE | |||
| EP47 Exploring Professional Love in Therapy and Teaching: A conversation with Julie | 28 Nov 2025 | 00:53:12 | |
In this week's episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa interviews her co-host Julie about her diverse career path. Julie shares her early aspirations of becoming a car mechanic or ballerina, but ultimately became a primary school teacher. She narrates her transition to play therapy, influenced by her experiences with children in the classroom and a particular puppet, Rita, who helped her connect with students. Julie discusses her further training in play therapy, working with children in various settings including homes, and her current role as a university lecturer. The conversation delves into the emotional challenges and rewarding aspects of working with children and families, emphasizing the importance of 'professional love' and reflective practice in therapy. | |||
| EP46 Parenting the Child in Front of You; A Conversation with Dr Vanessa La pointe | 21 Nov 2025 | 00:46:37 | |
Parenting Insights with Dr. Vanessa Lapont Dr Vanessa Lapointe | Facebook
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| EP45 School Anxiety: A Conversation with Claire | 14 Nov 2025 | 01:03:20 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy' with Philippa, guest Claire discusses the growing issue of school anxiety among children. The conversation explores the potential reasons for increased anxiety, including heightened academic pressures, the complexities of modern social interactions, and the unique challenges faced by neurodivergent children. Claire highlights the importance of early intervention and the role of schools and parents in supporting children through these challenges. Practical strategies for managing school-related stress are shared, emphasizing the need for empathetic communication, flexible solutions, and professional support when necessary. | |||
| EP44 Finding your Inner Child with Play - A conversation with Greg | 07 Nov 2025 | 00:45:40 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy', host Philippa interviews Greg, an author and child advocate from 'Can I Go and Play Now?'. Greg talks about his journey from working in a scrap store to becoming a passionate advocate for play and autonomy in children. He shares his experiences and methods for helping teachers and adults connect with their inner child and incorporate more play into education. The conversation covers the importance of unstructured, imaginative play, the impact of political and educational policies on childhood, and the need to create more opportunities for free play. With a focus on the idea that play is an intrinsic part of who we are, Greg emphasises the importance of reconnecting with our sense of playfulness, both for personal well-being and for nurturing children's development. Website: https://www.canigoandplaynow.com/ | |||
| EP43 What is Play Therapy? - Julie and Philippa in Conversation | 31 Oct 2025 | 01:02:33 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie delve into the essence of play therapy. They discuss the common misconception that play therapy is solely about teaching children how to play. The conversation shifts to the nuances of what play therapy entails, from addressing developmental delays in play to providing a safe space for children to explore relationships and express emotions. They explore how structured play differs from free, imaginative play and how technological advancements might be impacting children's play experiences. The episode also touches on the role of sensory development and relational dynamics in play therapy, emphasizing the profound importance of fostering genuine interactions and building trust with children. | |||
| EP42 Empathy and Attachment: A conversation with Dr Sharon Giblin | 24 Oct 2025 | 00:51:09 | |
In this week's episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy', host Philippa welcomes Dr. Sharon Giblin, a consultant clinical psychologist with over 25 years of experience working with children and families. Philippa and Sharon discuss the attachment cycle, the concepts of shame and guilt, and the therapeutic approach known as PACE (Playfulness, Acceptance, Curiosity, and Empathy). Sharon shares her journey to becoming a clinical psychologist and elaborates on the importance of consistent caregiving, even through the challenging teenage years. They also delve into practical parenting tips, emphasizing the importance of maintaining connection and minimizing shame triggers to foster secure attachments and healthy development for children. Attachment and Common Sense in Doodles - https://uk.jkp.com/products/child-trauma-and-attachment-in-common-sense-and-doodles-second-edition | |||
| EP41 Balancing Education Practices - Structure Learning Vs Free Play | 17 Oct 2025 | 00:45:35 | |
In this week's episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy' with Philippa, the guest is Charlotte Booth, the owner of Leek Play Hub and former senior lecturer at Manchester Metropolitan University. Charlotte recounts her extensive career in education, from teaching early years groups to becoming a senior lecturer, and her recent transition back to working directly with young children. The conversation delves into the changing landscape of teaching, the impact of political decisions on education, and the importance of maintaining a focus on play in learning. Charlotte also shares insights into her current roles, both as a teaching assistant in a nursery and as the founder of the Leek Play Hub, a space designed to foster interactive and imaginative play for children and their caregivers. They discuss the challenges and rewards of setting up the play hub, the effects of technology on children's playtime, and the significant role of play in child development. Website: https://www.leekplayhub.co.uk/ Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/LeekPlayHub/ | |||
| EP40 Navigating Therapeutic Support in Fostering; and Interview with Jaid Bennett | 10 Oct 2025 | 00:39:06 | |
Episode 39 – Navigating Therapeutic Support in Fostering with Jaid Bennett In this episode, Philippa is joined by Jaid Bennett, Deputy Regional Manager at Fusion Fostering in the Southwest. Together, they explore what it means to be a foster carer, the challenges and rewards of supporting children who have experienced trauma, and the importance of embedding therapeutic approaches into everyday care. Jaid shares insights into:
Whether you’re curious about fostering, already a carer, or interested in therapeutic support for children, this conversation is full of inspiration and practical wisdom. Website: https://fusionfostering.com/ | |||
| EP66 Pondering Play and Mess with Ellen Dempsey | 08 May 2026 | 01:07:02 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Julie speaks with newly qualified play therapist Ellen Dempsey about her Roehampton University dissertation, “Oh, What a Mess,” exploring messy play and therapeutic presence. Ellen shares how her own preference for tidiness created tension, shame, and distraction in the playroom when children used sensory materials, and how supervision and an embodied messy-paint exercise helped her reconnect with the felt experience behind her topic. Using qualitative interviews with three experienced BAPT play therapists and thematic analysis, Ellen examines how therapists stay present during messy play, highlighting preparation, time and space constraints, emotional grounding, experience, and limit setting, as well as refocusing on the child’s needs and meaning-making. She reflects on how the research shifted her from shame to acceptance and offers training recommendations for more embodied “messy” workshops. | |||
| EP 39 Exploring play and Symbolism in Therapy | 03 Oct 2025 | 00:58:23 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa and Julie dive into the concepts of play and symbolism in therapeutic settings. They discuss how play therapists like Julie use symbolism in sessions with children to explore emotions and experiences. The conversation covers the differences between primary and secondary relationships in play therapy, the use of objects to facilitate play, and the significance of symbolic roles in helping children express and manage feelings. They also touch on the use of sand trays and transitional objects as symbolic tools, and the impact of developmental trauma on children's play. The episode underscores the importance of allowing children to navigate and articulate their emotions through symbolic play, highlighting the therapeutic potential of this approach. | |||
| EP38 Play Therapy and Animal-assistance- Insights from Jasmine Williams | 25 Sep 2025 | 00:46:18 | |
Play Therapy and Animal-Assistance with Jasmine Williams In this episode, Philippa is joined by Jasmine Williams, a play therapist, teen counsellor, and animal-assisted therapist based in Queensland, Australia. Jasmine shares her journey from teaching into play therapy, explains the four stages of therapeutic play, and highlights the importance of creating safe, supportive environments for children and families. We also explore how animal-assisted therapy — featuring Jasmine’s rescue dog Glen — adds a powerful new dimension to the playroom, helping children build trust, empathy, and connection 👉 Find Jasmine online at @connectionsptc | |||
| EP37 Building Underdeveloped Sensory Systems an interview with Sarah Lloyd | 19 Sep 2025 | 01:05:58 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, our host welcomes Sarah Lloyd, a consultant occupational therapist and play therapist, who introduces her innovative BUSS model, focusing on Building Underdeveloped Sensory Systems (BUSS). Sarah shares her journey from traditional therapy to integrating sensory motor systems with therapeutic relationships, particularly for children with disrupted early development. She describes the critical role of the body in emotional and social development, and how parents and caregivers can become key agents of change using playful, engaging activities designed to rebuild foundational sensory motor skills. Website: https://bussmodel.org/ | |||
| EP36 Play and Creative Arts; an Interview with Peppy Hills | 12 Sep 2025 | 01:05:14 | |
In this week's episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy', Philippa is joined by Peppy Hills, a multifaceted professional with extensive titles including play therapist, creative practitioner, and clinical supervisor. Peppy shares her journey from childhood movements and imaginative play to her contemporary roles, offering insight into the importance of creative arts, community connections, and the transformative power of play therapy. She elaborates on her work with diverse populations—including refugee families through Project Salam—and the synergy of nervous systems in therapy sessions. The discussion also spans the significance of relational wellbeing, supervision, and maintaining a balance of challenge and support. Contact Peppy - peppyhills@gmail.com Beacon Family Services: https://www.beaconservices.org.uk/ | |||
| EP35 Pondering Review - The Honour of the Last Seven Months | 05 Sep 2025 | 00:50:32 | |
Join hosts Julie and Philippa as they reflect on the last seven months of 'Pondering Play and Therapy' podcast. They discuss their experiences, highlight notable guests, and ponder the future direction of the show. Topics include the significance of play throughout different stages of life, the impact of COVID-19 on free play, and international perspectives on incorporating play into various professional practices. The episode also announces the podcast's expansion to YouTube and a call for listener engagement. | |||
| EP34 Play and Play Therapy in Bangladesh; An interview with Mostak Imran | 29 Aug 2025 | 00:49:34 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Julie from South London welcomes Mostak from Dhaka, Bangladesh. They discuss their shared qualification in play therapy and explore how their training paths intersected at Roehampton University. Mostak shares his experiences working as the only BAPT-certified play therapist in Bangladesh, delving into the cultural perceptions of therapy and the challenges faced in a country where academic pressure often replaces playtime. They also touch on the differences observed in how children from different regions engage in play therapy and the impact of technology on modern children's play. Mostak's passion for promoting play therapy in Bangladesh shines through as he reflects on his future plans and the importance of trusting the process in therapeutic work. | |||
| EP33 Play and NVR; an Interview with Penny Willis | 22 Aug 2025 | 00:58:38 | |
In this week's episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa welcomes Penny from NVR Northampton to delve into the concept of Nonviolent Resistance (NVR) as a parenting approach. They discuss the origins of NVR, its application to different family dynamics, and how it provides caregivers with strategies to stand against harmful behaviours in a caring and collective manner. The episode explores key concepts like parental presence, relational safety, and the importance of community support in addressing child-to-parent violence, dysregulation, and other behavioural challenges. Website: https://www.nvrnorthampton.co.uk/ | |||
| EP32 Play and Neurodiversity | 15 Aug 2025 | 00:46:48 | |
Join Julie as she interviews Simon Airey and they delve into the intersection of neurodiversity and play. In this episode, Simon shares his personal experiences as an autistic adult, discussing how everyday activities like sorting and organising can be forms of play. They also explore the concept of play in early childhood education, emphasising the importance of child-led and neuro-affirming practices. The conversation underscores the importance of educators recognising and supporting diverse play behaviours to create more effective learning environments. | |||
| Ep31 Play and Criminal Justice an Interview with Joe Franks. | 08 Aug 2025 | 00:53:31 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' host Philippa welcomes Joseph Franks, a veteran in the field of mental health nursing since 2004. Joseph discusses his varied career, which spans working in mental health services, teaching at the University of West London, and his pivotal role as the mental health lead at Reading Prison. His experiences highlight the vulnerabilities faced by individuals in the justice system, particularly those with brain injuries, autism, care-experienced individuals and other neurodevelopmental conditions. Joseph also elaborates on the importance of diversion services and his ongoing work with Health and Justice Consultancy Limited, where he conducts clinical reviews into deaths in custody. He emphasises the need for societal change in responding to complex needs and introduces the concept of EMDR therapy as a potential tool within the justice system. Joe's Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-franks-5bb0a878/ Paper discussed in the episode: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/about.html Nadine Burke-Harris; Ted Talk: https://www.ted.com/speakers/nadine_burke_harris_1 | |||
| Ep30 Play and Child against parent aggression; an interview with Matt. | 01 Aug 2025 | 00:41:18 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa welcomes Matt, a senior practitioner at CAPA First Response. Matt shares his expertise on child-to-parent aggression, detailing different forms of violence and aggression, and the importance of addressing these behaviours early. Matt emphasises the need for understanding and strengthening the parent-child relationship through effective communication and play. He also discusses CAPA's unique online support services and his background in community therapy and pastoral care. This episode provides valuable insights and hope for families dealing with challenging behaviours. Website: https://capafirstresponse.org/ | |||
| EP65 Exploring Family Ties, Childhood, Therapy and Sibling Bonds: With Philippa and Julie | 01 May 2026 | 01:03:50 | |
Siblings, Roles, and Therapy: Connection, Conflict, and the “Pie” of Attention | |||
| Ep29 Play and Residential Care; an interview with Angela Griffiths | 25 Jul 2025 | 00:48:20 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' host Philippa interviews Angela Griffith, a registered social worker and independent social care consultant with over 30 years of experience in children's social care. Angela discusses her journey in the sector, beginning in 1991, and the changes she has observed over the years. Angela highlights the importance of strong management in children's homes, the diverse services offered, and the system's need for better integration of children's voices. She emphasises relationship-based practice, restorative practices, and the need for emotionally resilient staff. Angela also talks about her consultancy, Children’s Homes Improvement Limited, which provides training, supervision, and strategic support to improve outcomes in the care sector. The conversation covers the challenges and opportunities in residential care, advocating for a child-centred approach that prioritises the involvement and empowerment of young people. | |||
| Ep28 Play and the nervous system; an interview with Charlotte Jenkins | 18 Jul 2025 | 00:38:54 | |
In this episode of Pondering and Play Therapy, host Philippa Kelly interviews Charlotte Jenkins, founder of Beacon Family Services and co-founder of the app Looming and Us. Charlotte discusses her journey from a frustrated social worker to establishing innovative, play-based therapeutic solutions for families. She emphasises the importance of connection, nervous system regulation, and understanding the underlying causes of children's behaviour. Charlotte explains how her services and the Looming and Us app provide parents with tools to build stronger relationships with their children through therapeutic play. She highlights the impact of small, consistent play interactions on decreasing family conflict and enhancing emotional resilience. The episode offers valuable insights and practical advice for parents and professionals dedicated to children's mental health. Website: https://www.beaconservices.org.uk/ lumin&us® helps parents and carers to:
Visit the lumin&us® website for more information, or search lumin&us on the App Store or on Google Play to download the App for free. | |||
| Ep27 Play and Online games; an interview with Jessica McLauglin | 11 Jul 2025 | 00:52:54 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' the host converses with Jessica McLaughlin, a senior creative director with 20 years of experience in creating digital content for children. Jessica shares her accidental journey into children's media, her work at Find Your Fun Studios, and her new venture, Play Wise Labs. She discusses the intricacies of designing educational games, the importance of testing with children, the impact of interactive play, and the balance of creating engaging yet safe digital experiences for kids. Jessica also offers insights on helping parents navigate the vast world of kids' digital games. Website: https://playwise.ca/ | |||
| Ep26 The child's right to play; an interview with Marguerite Hunter Blair OBE DL | 04 Jul 2025 | 00:56:13 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa interviews Marguerite Hunter Blair, OBE, the Chief Executive of Play Scotland. Marguerite discusses her extensive career in advocating for children's play in Scotland and Northern Ireland, including her leadership in establishing the Scottish Play Commission, Scotland's Play Strategy, and the statutory duty for play in the Planning Scotland Act of 2019. She also speaks about her recent OBE award for services to play, learning, and health, emphasizing the importance of play for children's well-being and development. The conversation covers her journey from obtaining a master's in adult education to leading key play initiatives, as well as the significant impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the perception of play. The episode explores the various types of play, the essential role of parents, practitioners, and community spaces in fostering play, and the importance of play for children of all ages, including teenagers. Marguerite highlights the need for inclusive and accessible play spaces, especially in disadvantaged areas, and underscores the broader social and health benefits of promoting children's play. Play Scotland - https://www.playscotland.org/ Play Northern Ireland - https://www.playboard.org/ Play Wales - https://play.wales/ Play England - https://www.playengland.org.uk/
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| Ep25 Play and Sand Tray; An interview with Marshall Lyles | 27 Jun 2025 | 00:49:33 | |
Podcast Episode Description: This week on the podcast, I'm joined by Marshall Lyles, an expert in using sand tray therapy to support children, adults, and families. Marshall shares his insightful experience on how this powerful therapy helps individuals explore their early experiences and better understand their present situations. We ponder the importance of approaching sand tray therapy with curiosity and openness, encouraging people to examine the judgments and limitations placed on them by family, others or society. Marshall shares how sitting with the emotions that arise during these explorations can be therapeutic, allowing them to become more conscious and empowering for personal understanding. Don't miss this deep, reflective conversation on the transformative potential of sand tray therapy. Website: https://www.marshalllyles.com/ | |||
| EP24 Play and Schools | 20 Jun 2025 | 01:00:13 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie dive into the critical role of play within school environments. They discuss the decline in playtime availability over the years across primary, secondary, and nursery schools. They explore how therapists can collaborate with schools to support children's learning and well-being through play. The conversation highlights how play helps children learn, manage transitions, and cope with anxiety, ultimately promoting their overall development. They also emphasise the importance of tailoring approaches to fit each child's individual needs. | |||
| Ep23 Play and Attachment; an interview with Colby Pearce | 13 Jun 2025 | 00:51:56 | |
Podcast Description: web: securestart.com.au YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSm5x0fmZ2BU8vp7xmG4aOumz7nMMVcsi | |||
| EP22 Play and Poverty | 06 Jun 2025 | 00:52:10 | |
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, hosts Julie and Philippa explore how poverty affects children's ability to engage in play. They discuss the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, the definition of poverty, and the statistics concerning child poverty in the UK. They highlight the various barriers that impoverished families face, such as limited access to resources, social exclusion, and the inability to reciprocate playdates. They also share personal anecdotes that demonstrate how children and families still manage to find moments of playfulness amidst adversity. The episode ends on a hopeful note, emphasising the importance of connection and the resilience of the human spirit. | |||
| Ep21 Play, Mental Health and CBT; An interview with Claire | 30 May 2025 | 01:07:54 | |
Welcome to this week's episode of Pondering Play and Therapy. Claire, a clinical service lead for CAMHS (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services), joins the podcast to discuss childhood mental health, CBT, and the different services that can be accessed through CAMHS. Claire also discusses the different types of services and interventions that are offered, including inpatient, clinic, and early intervention services. In her role, Claire works within a multidisciplinary team that includes psychologists, social workers, drama therapists, and occupational therapists. They collaborate to support children and families facing mental health challenges. One of Claire's key areas of expertise is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), where she works directly with individuals and supervises fellow clinicians. CAMHS access can often feel like it's impossible to obtain a service, with its high pressure and complex cases. So, how did Claire end up in this demanding field? Join us as we ponder her journey, the challenges of working in CAMHS, and the unique ways she supports both children and her team. | |||
| Ep20 Play and Traditions | 23 May 2025 | 00:49:28 | |
In this week’s episode, hosts Philippa and Julie ponder the playful traditions that shape who we are—past and present. From cherished family games like cribbage and Rummy to the joyful, sometimes complex dance of blending new traditions in modern families, they explore how play weaves connection, identity, and belonging across generations.
Through personal stories, thoughtful metaphors, and reflections on adolescence, the episode unpacks how play is more than fun—it’s foundational. It can unite or exclude, heal or divide, depending on how we hold it. Whether you're nurturing your family’s rituals or starting new ones, this episode invites you to reflect on how traditions can be both a bridge and a legacy.
🔗 Tune in for insights on play, tradition, and the gentle power of connection. Subscribe now and start your listening tradition today! | |||
| EP64 Bridging Childhood Trauma and Therapeutic Practices; A conversation with Sarah Dillon. | 24 Apr 2026 | 00:53:50 | |
Philippa Kelly speaks with Sarah Dillon, consultant psychotherapist and head of therapeutic services for True Fostering and Safer Fostering, about how her own childhood in and out of foster care shapes her child-centered, trauma-informed work. Sarah explains why children react strongly to birth family contact, how sibling conflict can stem from trauma bonds, unmet needs, shame, and difficulty holding dual attachments, and how caregivers can use empathy, visuals (like her “pie” analogy), and consistent “PACE” narratives to keep relationships intact. She outlines her agencies’ proactive approach, including the Trauma Tracker tool and life story work, and describes compassion fatigue (including “blocked care”), how to spot it, and ways to support carers. They also discuss transitions, visual timetables, linking cause and effect without punitive consequences, and Sarah’s new children’s book, “Inside Big Me Lives a Little Me.” Centre of Excellence in Child Trauma - https://www.coect.co.uk/about-us | |||
| Ep19 Play in an American Private Practice; an interview with Mandy Jones | 16 May 2025 | 00:48:47 | |
Podcast Episode Description: In this insightful episode, we sit down with Mandy Jones, a skilled therapist, based in Chicago, who shares her expertise on the transformative power of play in therapy. Mandy discusses her unique approach, combining sand tray work and Theraplay, to help children and adults process and understand their trauma. She explains how these therapeutic techniques foster emotional healing and support the parent-child relationship. Mandy also opens up about her personal journey, detailing the interesting path that led her to open her practice. With a deep passion for supporting children and families, Mandy has become a dedicated advocate for those impacted by the challenges of COVID-19, helping them navigate the emotional toll of the pandemic. Listen to the episode for a pondering conversation on the essential role of play in healing, connection, and emotional growth. Website: Meet Our Team - Nurtured Roots Counseling & Consulting Mandy Jones-Fischer (She/Her/Hers) is a licensed clinical social worker and registered play therapist from Chicago, Illinois. She is also a Certified Theraplay® Practitioner, Trainer, and Supervisor and is the former Executive Director of The Theraplay Institute. Mandy has extensive training in sandtray therapy. She has worked almost exclusively with adoptive and foster families since she began her career. She takes a particular interest in helping families with young children form strong attachments and work through sensory concerns. Mandy is also experienced in helping adopted individuals with identity, loss, and anxiety concerns throughout their lifespan. More recently, Mandy has been focusing her clinical work on helping children born during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic who are struggling with overwhelming anxiety. She currently runs a private therapy practice serving children under 8 and their families in Chicago. | |||
| Ep18 Play and the impact of disadvantaged communities | 09 May 2025 | 00:47:19 | |
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' hosts Julie and Philippa discuss the significant reduction of play spaces for children and teenagers within communities affected by poverty and deprivation. Reflecting on changes over the past 10-15 years, they explore how budget cuts and austerity measures have led to the loss of essential community resources like parks, youth clubs, and play schemes. The discussion emphasises the importance of unstructured play for children's development, including reading social cues, risk assessment, and building community ties. They contrast their childhood experiences with current conditions and highlight the need for policies supporting accessible play spaces for all children, in line with the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. The episode invites listeners to reflect on these issues and share their own views. | |||
| Ep17 Play and Cheerleading; an Interview with Tilly and Sarah | 02 May 2025 | 00:45:17 | |
Welcome to Pondering Play and Therapy, the podcast where we ponder the worlds of play, passion, and personal growth. In today’s episode, we have the pleasure of talking to Tilly and her mum, Sarah, to explore Tilly’s inspiring journey as an international cheerleading athlete. At just 14 years old, Tilly became the youngest member of an international cheerleading team, and today, she’s sharing the highs, the challenges, and the incredible commitment it takes to reach such a level of achievement. This was also whilst revising for her GCSE's and travelling over an hour to practice, and the mental and physical demands of the sport. Tilly gives us an inside look at what it takes to pursue a dream and achieve success. Sarah also joins us to offer a mum’s perspective on supporting Tilly’s journey and the role of family in navigating the world of competitive sports. So sit back, relax, and join us as we ponder the play, hard work, and dedication behind Tilly’s amazing story. | |||
| Ep16 Play and can it be learnt? | 25 Apr 2025 | 00:48:23 | |
Podcast Description: This week, we are pondering the fascinating world of play—specifically, can play be learned? Over the past few weeks and months of recording, we've been reflecting on how play happens with children, babies and adults. We’ll start by looking at the early stages of life—how even before birth, the unborn child begins to interact with the world around them. From there, we'll explore how play unfolds in early childhood and how, as we grow, we may discover new ways to play and embrace a playful mindset. This is from our own perspective not as experts but as adults who enjoy play both in our personal and professional. We’ll also ask if play is something we can relearn later in life. Can we rediscover playful ways of being in the world and develop new play skills, or is it something we experience through lived moments with others? Is play something that’s taught, or is it more of an embodied experience we share and pass on to others? Join us as we unpack the beginnings of play and whether it’s something we can learn or simply experience as we move through life. | |||