Explore every episode of the podcast Platform Engineering Podcast
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| What CVEs Did for Security, CREs Are Doing for Reliability | 02 Jul 2025 | 00:47:36 | |
Did you know that software engineers often "learn things the hard way" because they lack a standardized system to share knowledge about reliability issues? While security professionals have CVEs to catalog vulnerabilities, reliability engineers have been left to reinvent the wheel with each new bug or outage. Tony Meehan, co-founder and CTO of Prequel, introduces us to Common Reliability Enumerations (CREs) - an open-source approach that's doing for reliability what CVEs did for security. After spending a decade at the NSA hunting vulnerabilities, Tony recognized that the same community-driven approach could revolutionize how we handle reliability issues. This conversation covers:
Guest: Tony Meehan, CTO at Prequel Tony is an engineering leader obsessed with bugs. He dedicated a decade to vulnerability and exploit development at the National Security Agency (NSA) before leading Engineering at Endgame and Elastic. In 2023, Tony co-founded Prequel to change the way application failure is detected and resolved. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| From DevOps to 'Vibe Coding': Gene Kim on AI-Assisted Development and Platform Engineering | 28 May 2025 | 00:56:32 | |
What if you could turn a five-year software project into a one-month endeavor? Gene Kim, co-founder of IT Revolution and author of The Phoenix Project, reveals how AI-powered Vibe Coding is transforming the way developers work. Kim shares insights from his upcoming book about how developers are achieving unprecedented productivity, including how his co-author produces 12,000 lines of production-ready code daily using AI assistance. But it's not just about speed - learn how this approach enables developers to tackle previously impossible projects and explore larger design spaces. From DevOps evolution to practical AI implementation, Kim discusses:
Whether you're a seasoned developer or a tech leader wondering about AI's place in your development workflow, this conversation provides practical insights into the future of software development. Guest: Gene Kim, Author, Researcher, Vibe Coder, DevOps Enthusiast, Founder of IT Revolution Gene Kim has been studying high-performing technology organizations since 1999. He was the founder and CTO of Tripwire, Inc., an enterprise security software company, where he served for 13 years. His books have sold over 1 million copies—he is the WSJ bestselling author of Wiring the Winning Organization, The Unicorn Project, and co-author of The Phoenix Project, The DevOps Handbook, and the Shingo Publication Award-winning Accelerate. Since 2014, he has been the organizer of DevOps Enterprise Summit (now Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit), studying the technology transformations of large, complex organizations. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Cloud Migration Strategies with Alex Voorhees of 66 Degrees | 11 Dec 2024 | 00:52:52 | |
Navigating cloud migrations and building modern platforms is challenging in the best of circumstances. Alex Voorhees, VP of Cloud Engineering at 66 Degrees, shares valuable lessons from helping organizations as they take on these challenges. Don’t miss his insights on:
Whether you're leading a cloud migration, building a platform team, or interested in the future of cloud operations, this episode offers concrete takeaways for navigating the technical and organizational challenges of modern infrastructure. Guest: Alex Voorhees, VP of Cloud Engineering at 66 Degrees Alex Voorhees is the Vice President of Cloud Engineering at 66degrees. Prior to joining 66degrees, he was the Vice President of Customer Engineering at Cloudbakers. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Democratizing Kubernetes: The Kubefirst Journey with John Dietz | 28 Nov 2024 | 01:05:20 | |
John Dietz, CEO and co-founder of Konstruct (formerly Kubefirst), joins us fresh from KubeCon North America to discuss the evolution of cloud-native platform adoption. John shares insights into Konstruct's mission to make Kubernetes and cloud-native technology more accessible, reducing the typical 18-month adoption timeline to minutes. The conversation explores Konstruct's two main products: Kubefirst, an open-source GitOps platform, and Colony, their new solution for bare metal and data center deployments. John discusses the company's philosophy on open-source licensing, the importance of building trust in platform engineering, and their unique approach to commercialization while maintaining core platform accessibility. Don’t miss our new segment: TrashOps! Guest: John Dietz, CEO and Co-founder of Konstruct John Dietz is the friendly CEO and relentless technical cofounder driving Konstruct (formerly Kubefirst). John and his cofounder, Jared Edwards, embarked on the Kubefirst venture with humble beginnings, building the product off-hours while navigating a year-long stealth enterprise pilot before open sourcing the project onto the CNCF landscape. Kubefirst was acquired by Kubeshop in 2022, and then again by the Civo Cloud in 2024. John’s entrepreneurial spirit sparked at a young age. At 22 he bootstrapped his own software and services company, a role he dedicated 19 years to before founding Kubefirst. During that time he doubled as engineering leads in the DevOps space in numerous successful startup and enterprise environments, gaining expertise in high scale software delivery, site reliability, platform architecture, and cloud engineering. His pivotal role in transitioning USA Today to the public cloud atop a hybrid cloud abstraction layer showcased his ability as a software platform architect of the early enterprise public cloud adopter. John has been at the forefront of Kubernetes adoption since 2017 and has assisted hundreds of companies in their transition to cloud native architectures with the Kubefirst open source platform. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Executing Well in Healthcare with Jessica Kalinowski | 13 Nov 2024 | 00:51:10 | |
Jessica Kalinowski, VP of DevOps and Corporate IT at Connect RN, shares her journey from corporate IT to implementing DevOps and platform engineering in a startup environment. Jessica discusses the challenges and successes of applying tech strategies in healthcare. The episode covers strategies for platform adoption, including early engineer engagement and flexible implementation. Jessica discusses how automation has enabled efficient management with a small team, benefiting the entire organization. Guest: Jessica Kalinowski, Vice President of DevOps and Corporate IT at connectRN Vice President of DevOps and Corp IT with 15+ years’ experience in IT as well as a proven ability to promote and champion best-in-class cloud migrations. Expertise in leading and managing transformational/ cultural change comprehensively throughout multinational organizations. Strength areas include strategic thinking and IT/ cloud thought leadership, adaptability and resiliency, complex problem-solving, and optimal solution identification through collaboration and partnership. De-centralized leadership style with emphasis on building strong, self-sufficient teams. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Solomon Hykes on Docker, Dagger, and the Future of DevOps | 30 Oct 2024 | 00:55:34 | |
In this episode, Solomon Hykes discusses the journey from Docker's inception to its widespread adoption, the challenges faced in open-source development, and his current work with Dagger. He explains how Dagger aims to revolutionize continuous integration by making pipelines more modular and efficient, addressing the "push and pray" problem in software development. Hykes also shares insights on the evolution of DevOps, the complexities of open-source business models, and his vision for the future of software development workflows. Guest: Solomon Hykes, Co-founder of Docker and Dagger Solomon Hykes is the co-founder and CEO of Dagger.io, the first programmable CI/CD engine. Before that, he was the co-founder of Docker, where he served for 10 years as CEO then CTO, and a founding member of the CNCF Technical Oversight Committee. Solomon grew up in France, and now lives in San Francisco. “The Future of Linux Containers” Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Security and Scalability with Justin Berman from Thirty Madison | 16 Oct 2024 | 00:59:52 | |
In this episode of the Platform Engineering Podcast, Cory O'Daniel sits down with Justin Berman, Vice President of Platform Engineering and Chief Information Security Officer at Thirty Madison. Justin shares his journey from software engineering to security leadership, discusses the challenges of building secure and scalable platforms, and offers insights into the future of platform engineering and security integration. Guest: Justin Berman, VP of Platform Engineering and Chief Information Security Officer at Thirty Madison Justin Berman is the VP of Platform Engineering and Chief Information Security Officer at Thirty Madison. Prior he was Head of Security at Dropbox, responsible for Dropbox’s information/cyber security, content safety, and platform abuse prevention capabilities, which provide unmatched protections to their users, staff and products. In this role, Justin and his team ensured that Dropbox enables storing, sharing and collaborating on various kinds of content in a trustworthy and secure manner, for all their customers worldwide, from large enterprise Dropbox business accounts to individual consumers. Prior to Dropbox, Justin was the CISO at Zenefits, where he was responsible for scaling the security and IT capabilities and developing the privacy and risk/compliance capabilities. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Engineering Culture Change with Stack Overflow’s Peter O’Connor | 02 Oct 2024 | 00:54:22 | |
Join us as we learn about Stack Overflow's monumental shift from on-premises infrastructure to the cloud with Peter O'Connor, Director of Platform Engineering. Peter shares invaluable insights on navigating the complexities of migrating a beloved developer platform, balancing technical challenges with team dynamics, and fostering a culture of innovation. From the intricacies of lift-and-shift strategies to the nuances of adopting microservices, this episode offers a masterclass in modern platform engineering. Discover how Stack Overflow is revolutionizing its architecture while maintaining its core mission of serving developers worldwide. Guest: Peter O'Connor, Director of Platform Engineering at Stack Overflow Peter leads teams of engineers dedicated to innovating how they elevate their product engineering teams, enabling them to deploy services to the cloud with greater ease and confidence. Their focus spans the cloud platform, UI platform, and search platform. With a rich background in innovating new workflows, leveraging cutting-edge tools, and leading teams to achieve better outcomes, Peter has found creating platforms as products for their engineering teams to be a rewarding challenge in his career. Before transitioning into tech, he freelanced and taught Chemistry and Computer Science at both secondary and collegiate levels. This experience deepened his understanding of guiding teams, building the right products, and fostering continual improvement among team members. Peter O’Connor - Stack Overflow Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Platform Engineering for Social Good with Code for America’s Grace Huntley | 18 Sep 2024 | 00:44:18 | |
Want your work to mean more? In this inspiring episode of the Platform Engineering Podcast, we welcome Grace Huntley, Director of Engineering for DevOps, InfoSec, and Safety Net Innovation Lab at Code for America. Grace shares her unconventional journey from licensed plumber to civic tech leader, driven by personal experiences and a passion for solving societal challenges through technology. Discover how Code for America is revolutionizing government services, making them more accessible and efficient for those in need. Grace discusses the transition from private sector to civic tech, the challenges of working with government systems, and the exciting potential of AI in improving public services. This episode offers valuable insights into the intersection of technology, social impact, and the future of civic engagement. Guest: Grace Huntley, Director of Software Engineering at Code for America Grace Huntley brings over 15 years of leadership experience, showcasing a versatile skill set that spans various levels of management and encompasses projects across the full technology stack and diverse industries. Her journey into the world of technology began professionally at the age of 13 when she devoted after-school hours to assembling XT’s and 286’s in a local computer store, sparking a lifelong passion for computing. Grace’s hands-on experience extends beyond the professional realm. Over the last 15 years, she has navigated the intricate challenges associated with accessing safety-net programs while caring for her daughter, who faces significant medical challenges. This personal experience has deepened her understanding of the importance of technology in addressing real-world issues and shaped her commitment to making a positive impact through her work. Outside the realm of software leadership, Grace is an active contributor to non-profit initiatives. Currently serving on the board of Openhouse SF, an organization dedicated to providing affordable housing and services for the aging LGBT community, she continues to advocate for inclusivity and community support. Beyond her professional and philanthropic endeavors, Grace finds joy in her role as an avid gardener and sustainability enthusiast. Her commitment to both personal and professional growth, combined with a genuine passion for making a difference, defines Grace Huntley’s impactful journey in the realms of technology, community service, and environmental consciousness. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Bridging Tech and Human Factors in Platform Engineering with Morteza Irdmousa | 04 Sep 2024 | 00:46:42 | |
Technical expertise is undoubtedly important when it comes to implementing Platform Engineering but unless you are also paying close attention to the human factor and the cultural aspects of building an effective team it will be much harder to succeed. Cory talks to Morteza Irdmousa, Head of Platform Engineering at Curative, about his experiences in Platform Engineering and DevOps. Join them as they explore the need for a holistic approach that considers both technical and cultural aspects of implementing Platform teams. Gain valuable insights and actionable takeaways as they discuss key issues such as team integration, psychological safety, team engagement, and messaging that truly conveys the business impact of platform engineering work. Guest: Morteza Irdmousa, Head of Platform Engineering at Curative Currently head of platform engineering at Curative in health and having served as Director of Engineering in Raytheon focused around platform in the defense space, Morteza Irdmousa considers himself fortunate to learn a lot along the way and to still be learning. MLOps, Data platforms and traditional platform team duties are his current focus areas. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| From Netflix to the Cloud: Adrian Cockroft on DevOps, Microservices, and Sustainability | 22 Aug 2024 | 01:01:58 | |
In this episode Cory sits down with Adrian Cockroft, a pioneering technologist who played a crucial role in Netflix's transition to cloud computing and microservices architecture. Adrian shares insights from his impressive career, including his work at Netflix, AWS, and beyond. He discusses the evolution of DevOps practices, the rise of microservices, and the challenges of platform engineering in today's complex cloud environments. Adrian also delves into the pressing issue of sustainability in tech, offering valuable perspectives on the environmental impact of AI and machine learning workloads. Whether you're a seasoned DevOps professional or just starting your journey in cloud computing, this episode offers a wealth of knowledge from one of the industry's most influential figures. Guest: Adrian Cockcroft, Tech Advisor Adrian Cockcroft is a technologist and strategist with broad experience from the bits to the boardroom, in both enterprise and consumer-oriented businesses, from startups to some of the largest companies in the world, equally at home with hardware and software, development and operations. He’s best known as the cloud architect for Netflix during their trailblazing migration to AWS and was a very early practitioner and advocate of DevOps, microservices, and chaos engineering, helping bring these concepts to the wider audience they have today. Adrian spent the last few years as a VP at Amazon deeply immersed in the dual challenges of helping Amazon itself – one of the largest companies in the world – become more sustainable, and via AWS – one of the largest technology suppliers in the world – helping its enterprise and public sector customers become more sustainable. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Foundations of The Cloud With Brian Grant, Kubernetes | 07 Aug 2024 | 00:56:39 | |
It’s episode four of the Platform Engineering Podcast’s special series on the Foundations of The Cloud! This time Cory O'Daniel sits down with Brian Grant, the original lead architect of Kubernetes, to dive deep into the history and evolution of Kubernetes in cloud operations. Brian shares his journey from working in supercomputing to joining Google and helping develop Kubernetes. He also provides insights on the importance of Kubernetes' declarative model, managing complexity in cloud native environments, and the extensive impact and future potential of Kubernetes. Tune in to learn more about the intricate details of platform engineering and the revolutionary developments in cloud native infrastructure. Guest: Brian Grant, Original lead architect of Kubernetes and CTO/Co-founder of ConfigHub Brian Grant is a foundational architect and influential voice within the Kubernetes project and the broader cloud-native landscape. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Snyk’s Danny Allan on Making Security Developer-Friendly | 30 Apr 2025 | 00:45:26 | |
Security often feels like a roadblock to developers, but what if it could be seamlessly integrated into the development process? As software delivery becomes increasingly automated and self-service, the traditional approach to security needs a major overhaul. Danny Allan, CTO at Snyk, shares practical insights on transforming security from a bottleneck into an enabler of developer productivity. Drawing from his extensive experience at IBM, VMware, and Veeam, Allan discusses how security teams can shift left effectively without creating friction. Key topics covered:
Guest: Danny Allan , Chief Technology Officer at Snyk As CTO, Danny leads end-to-end ownership of Snyk’s current core offerings and roadmap, as well as the company’s near-term platform vision. Before joining Snyk, he was CTO at Veeam and Desktone (acquired by VMWare) and Director of Security Research at IBM. In his free time, he loves scuba diving, cycling, and hockey (like a true Canadian!) The Secure Developer Podcast by Snyk Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Foundations of The Cloud With Mitchell Hashimoto, Terraform | 24 Jul 2024 | 00:53:36 | |
In this third episode of the Platform Engineering Podcast’s special series on the Foundations of The Cloud, host Corey O'Daniel interviews Mitchell Hashimoto, co-founder of HashiCorp and creator of Terraform, Vault, and Nomad. They discuss the intricacies of platform engineering, the history and evolution of Terraform, the advent of infrastructure as code, and the challenges accompanying it. Mitchell also shares insights on his new project, Ghostly, a high-performance terminal emulator, and delves into how generative AI will transform operations engineering. Listen to this episode to get valuable lessons for both industry veterans and newcomers. Guest: Mitchell Hashimoto, Founder of HashiCorp, Creator of Vagrant, Packer, Consul, Terraform, Vault, Nomad, Waypoint, and more. Mitchell Hashimoto is a passionate engineer, professional speaker, and entrepreneur. Mitchell has been creating and contributing to open-source software for almost a decade. He has spoken at dozens of conferences about his work, such as VelocityConf, OSCON, FOSDEM, and more. Mitchell co-founded HashiCorp, where he held multiple roles including CEO and CTO. He left the company in 2023, but he was part of the initial engineering team behind most of their products, such as Vagrant, Packer, Consul, Terraform, Vault, Nomad, Waypoint, and more. Prior to HashiCorp, Mitchell spent five years as a web developer and another four as an operations engineer. Mitchell is also an FAA licensed private pilot with an instrument rating (PPL ASEL IR). He currently flies a Cirrus SF50 Vision Jet. Aviation overlaps with his passion for programming and he routinely works on aviation software for fun. Mitchell Hashimoto - Personal Website Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Foundations of The Cloud With Adam Jacob, Chef | 10 Jul 2024 | 01:00:56 | |
In this second episode of the Platform Engineering Podcast’s special series on the Foundations of The Cloud, Cory O’Daniel meets up with Adam Jacob, co-founder of Chef and System Initiative. They discuss his early interest in infrastructure and automation, the development and impact of Chef in the DevOps community, and his transition to becoming a CEO. The conversation emphasizes the community and technological advancements Chef brought to the industry and introduces the ambitious goals of his current project, System Initiative. Don't miss this insightful conversation—tune in now to discover the future of infrastructure and automation! Guest: Adam Jacob, CEO / Chairman / Co-Founder of System Initiative Adam is an engineering and product innovator, with decades of experience designing, building, and managing large production systems. Adam previously co-founded Chef Software, was the original author of Chef, served as CTO, and was on the board of directors. | |||
| Foundations of the Cloud with Mark Burgess, CFEngine | 26 Jun 2024 | 00:57:41 | |
In this special episode of the Platform Engineering Podcast on Foundations of The Cloud, Cory O'Daniel chats with Mark Burgess, the creator of CFEngine and a pioneer in configuration management. They dive into Mark's journey from physics to computer science, the birth of CFEngine, and the dynamic world of system administration and DevOps. They also explore the evolution of IT operations, the challenges of managing modern infrastructures, and the future promises of AI and autonomous systems in tech. Join us for an insightful discussion filled with historical anecdotes, practical advice, and visionary ideas for the future of platform engineering. Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! http://platformengineeringpod.com/ Guest: Mark Burgess, Principal Founder of CFEngine Mark Burgess is a theoretician and practitioner in the area of information systems, whose work has focused largely on distributed information infrastructure. He wrote an early popular book on C programming, which is now open and available through the Free Software Foundation. He was an early contributor to the Free Software Foundation in 1993 with CFEngine, which remains GPL. He is known particularly for his work on Configuration Management and Promise Theory. He was the principal Founder of CFEngine, co-founder at Aljabr, and is now the founder of ChiTek-i. He is Emeritus Professor of Network and System Administration from Oslo University College. He is the author of numerous books, articles, and papers on topics from Physics, Networks and Systems, to fiction. He also writes a blog on issues of science and IT industry concerns. Today, he works as an advisor on science and technology matters all over the world. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Navigating AI And Platform Engineering With Amey Patil | 12 Jun 2024 | 00:55:03 | |
In this episode of the Platform Engineering Podcast, Cory O’Daniel speaks with Amey Patil, Head of Platform Engineering at Google Ads and Google Analytics. They discuss the evolving landscape of platform engineering, the integration of AI and ML, and the human factors essential for leading successful platform teams. From managing legacy code migrations to fostering a culture of innovation, Amey shares insights and strategies that are vital for both seasoned professionals and newcomers to the field. Tune in to gain valuable knowledge and stay ahead in the dynamic world of platform engineering. Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! https://platformengineeringpod.com/ Guest: Amey Patil, Head of Platform Engineering at Google Ads and Google Analytics Amey is a seasoned technology leader with a proven track record at Google and VMware. He excels in driving innovation and spearheading high-performing engineering teams. Currently serving as the Head of Platform Engineering for Google Ads and Google Analytics, he oversees infrastructure supporting multiple high-revenue products, leading a global team. | |||
| The Role Of Startups In Moving Platform Engineering Forward With Colton Dempsey Of Next 47 | 08 May 2024 | 00:58:11 | |
Startups always bring refreshing perspectives and brand-new ideas to any space, and the platform engineering industry is no different. In this episode, Cory O'Daniel sits down with Colton Dempsey of Next47 to discuss the important role of startup ventures in the progress of platform engineering. He explains the five categories of startups, why many of them are building more diverse feature sets, and the most effective monetization approaches for open-source projects. Colton also delves into the rise of cloud-native technologies and Kubernetes, detailing how they influenced his investment strategies. Guest: Colton Dempsey, Partner at Next47 Colton joined Next47 in 2018 and is a Partner on the Palo Alto investment team. He helped lead the firm’s investments in Noname Security, Armorblox, DataGrail, Brilliant, Software.com, and Pando, among others. His primary areas of focus are IT infrastructure, cybersecurity, robotics, and connected devices. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Unlocking the Potential of Hybrid Cloud with Cory O'Daniel | 10 Apr 2024 | 00:10:04 | |
In this episode Chris Hill asks Cory O’Daniel, CEO and co-founder of Massdriver, to explain the concept and benefits of hybrid cloud, including the use of multiple cloud providers and container services for scalability and flexibility. The discussion also addresses the security and networking challenges that using hybrid cloud implies. Guest: Cory O'Daniel, CEO at Massdriver | |||
| Infrastructure As Code: Business Continuity And Disaster Recovery With Cory O'Daniel | 27 Mar 2024 | 00:10:22 | |
Chris Hill sits down with Cory O'Daniel to talk about how Infrastructure as Code can help with disaster recovery and business continuity. From the technology and personnel challenges to scenarios such as losing one of your regions and the importance of backup plans, learn how IaC can be used to help ensure data and operations are not affected. Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! Guest: Cory O'Daniel, CEO at Massdriver | |||
| DevOps & Platform Engineering - What's The Difference? With Dave Williams | 13 Mar 2024 | 00:08:11 | |
In this week's episode, Chris Hill gets Dave Williams to go deeper into how platform engineering is moving one step beyond DevOps. Listen in as they discuss the skill sets, principles, and mindset needed to enable this evolution in the field. Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! Guest: Dave Williams, CTO at Massdriver | |||
| Is DevOps Bullshit? An Interview With Cory O’Daniel, Author Of The “DevOps Is Bullshit” Blog Post | 28 Feb 2024 | 00:17:26 | |
DevOps was conceived as a way to bring developers and operations together, but has it really worked? In this episode, Dave Williams sits down with Cory O’Daniel to discuss his controversial blog post “DevOps Is Bullshit.” Find out why Cory sees platform engineering as a solution. Discover its potential as an antidote to the unmet promises and inherent challenges within the current DevOps landscape. Tune in now! Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! Guest: Cory O'Daniel, CEO at Massdriver Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| What Is Platform Engineering? A Cloud Operation Engineer’s Perspective | 14 Feb 2024 | 00:15:50 | |
For teams ingrained in DevOps practices, Platform Engineering ushers in a broader horizon, a fresh perspective on managing infrastructure. But what does Platform Engineering offer, especially for those adept in cloud operations? In this episode, Cory O’Daniel talks to Chris Hill about platform engineering from the perspective of a cloud operations engineer. From the importance of security and compliance and the challenges faced by developers to the impact of Massdriver to deliver infrastructure management to engineers, Chris shares insights from his decade-long experience. Tune in for an exploration of platform engineering's evolution! Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! Guest: Chris Hill, COO at Massdriver | |||
| vCluster with Lukas Gentele: Rethinking Kubernetes Multi-Tenancy | 16 Apr 2025 | 00:40:56 | |
Are your platform teams constantly saying "no" to requests for new Kubernetes clusters? The traditional approach to Kubernetes multi-tenancy forces organizations to choose between cluster sprawl or restrictive namespaces - neither of which fully meets the needs of modern development teams. Lukas Gentele, CEO and co-founder of Loft Labs, shares how vCluster is transforming the way organizations handle multi-tenancy in Kubernetes. By running virtual Kubernetes control planes inside namespaces, vCluster enables teams to experiment with different versions, operators, and configurations while maintaining efficient resource usage. Key topics covered:
Whether you're a platform engineer looking to say "yes" more often or a development team seeking greater autonomy within Kubernetes, this discussion offers practical insights into modern multi-tenancy approaches. Guest: Lukas Gentele, CEO & Co-Founder at LoftLabs Lukas Gentele is the CEO and Co-founder of Loft Labs, which delivers Kubernetes-native tools, functionality and frameworks purpose-built for platform engineers to manage, activate and optimize their platform stack. Gentele is a dynamic leader with wide-ranging expertise in enterprise architecture, distributed systems, and developer productivity solutions. Prior to Loft, Gentele served as the co-founder and CEO at covexo GmbH and Webmans. Gentele often speaks at conferences such as KubeCon, writes articles for leading industry journals, and likes to share his experiences at meetups. Gentele holds a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science and Information Systems, and a Master of Science in Computer Science & Management of Enterprise Information Systems, both from the University of Mannheim. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| What Is Platform Engineering? From A Developer's Perspective | 07 Feb 2024 | 00:14:15 | |
For teams ingrained in DevOps practices, this term ushers in a broader horizon, a fresh perspective on managing infrastructure and applications. But what does Platform Engineering offer? In this episode, Cory talks to Dave Williams about platform engineering and why he sees this as the future of running applications in the cloud. Guest: Dave Williams, CTO at Massdriver | |||
| Building Real-World Platforms: Abby Bangser on CNCF, Kratix, & Syntasso | 02 Apr 2025 | 00:53:54 | |
When organizations grow beyond using third-party platforms, they face a critical challenge: how to build internal platforms that enable teams to work efficiently while maintaining security and compliance. Abby Bangser, founding principal engineer at Syntasso, shares insights on creating real-world platforms that strike the right balance between standardization and flexibility. Key Insights
Guest: Abby Bangser, Founding Principal Engineer at Syntasso. A hands-on software delivery professional with a passion for using quality as the foundation for quick value-focused delivery. Abby truly embodies the benefits of being a specialising generalist with experience and interests across traditionally Business Analyst, Quality Analyst, Developer, DevOps, Platform Engineering, SRE, and Infrastructure Engineering job titles and effectively leveraging those skills to encourage a well-rounded approach to quality software delivery. The next step for software professionals is the ability to drive thoughtful creation and evaluation of data from the operation of live services. With this in mind, Abby is currently excited to be working in an environment where engineers build and run their own software and understand the value of not only monitoring and logging, but striving for an observable system. It is now her goal to use these tools to create even more collaboration across skills like user research, quality, operations, infrastructure and software development to identify unknown issues that our users face in innovative ways. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Smart TV Testing Made Simple with Dave Lucia of TV Labs | 19 Mar 2025 | 00:47:50 | |
Testing smart TV applications presents unique challenges that traditional web testing approaches can't solve. Dave Lucia, CTO and co-founder of TV Labs, shares how his team built a platform that virtualizes televisions and set-top boxes to help media companies test their smart TV apps on physical devices. Learn about TV Labs' innovative architecture and how they handle everything from camera-based testing systems to their custom Lua-based DSL for faster test execution. A key highlight is how choosing Elixir as their primary technology has enabled TV Labs to build a robust orchestration system. The language's built-in capabilities for fault tolerance, process isolation, and distributed computing make it particularly well-suited for managing concurrent connections and real-time state across multiple devices. The discussion also explores practical insights about system architecture, including how TV Labs leverages Phoenix presence for real-time device state tracking and achieves microsecond-level performance for message broadcasting. Guest: Dave Lucia, CTO & Co-Founder at TV Labs Dave is a technology leader with deep experience designing and scaling systems across industries including media, sports betting, finance, and developer tooling. He is a prominent member of the BEAM community, regularly speaking at conferences such as Code BEAM SF, ElixirConf, The Big Elixir, and RabbitMQ Summit. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Trust, Lock-in, And Better Infrastructure Management | 26 Feb 2025 | 01:03:05 | |
Why do 70% of organizations still struggle to adopt infrastructure as code? Sören Martius, CPO and co-founder of Terramate, joins Cory O'Daniel to tackle the challenges of modern infrastructure management and the delicate balance between vendor trust and lock-in. The conversation explores practical solutions for common infrastructure challenges, from managing monolithic state files to orchestrating complex deployments. Martius shares insights on:
For teams wrestling with infrastructure complexity or evaluating new tools, this discussion offers practical perspectives on building scalable, maintainable infrastructure while avoiding common pitfalls around vendor lock-in and team adoption. Guest: Sören Martius, Founder at Terramate Sören is an entrepreneur and technologist who loves building and delivering digital products and managing and scaling engineering teams for various kinds of businesses. His interests in technologies lie with DLT’s, Distributed Networks, Machine Learning, Microservices, Serverless Compute, Docker (and Kubernetes), AWS, Spark, Scala, Go, Elixir & OTP, Python, Rust, and Typescript among many others. Sören likes simplicity, pragmatism and common sense while bridging business, product and technology. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Meeting Developers In Their Existing Workflows: The Terrateam Advantage | 05 Feb 2025 | 00:57:02 | |
Building infrastructure tooling doesn't require massive VC funding or a huge team - just ask Malcolm Matalka, co-founder of bootstrapped Terrateam. Malcolm shares his journey from real estate websites to investment banking to biotech, before landing in infrastructure automation. Learn how Terrateam takes a unique "libraries over frameworks" approach to development, prioritizing simplicity and control by carefully selecting dependencies and building critical components in-house. Malcolm explains how this philosophy leads to more maintainable code and better security outcomes. As an early participant in the OpenTofu fork, Malcolm provides insights into the community response and adoption challenges. He discusses how Terrateam helps teams streamline their infrastructure workflows by integrating directly with existing tools and processes rather than forcing new ones. For platform engineers looking to simplify their infrastructure management, Malcolm describes the ideal Terrateam user as someone who wants infrastructure changes to flow naturally through their existing development process without added complexity. Guest: Malcolm Matalka, Software Engineer, Co-Founder of Terrateam As a co-founder at Terrateam, Malcolm enables teams to deliver infrastructure faster with their tools and services. They leverage Terraform and OpenTofu to automate, manage, and scale cloud infrastructure for developers and organizations. With over 20 years of experience in software engineering, he has a strong background in cloud computing, distributed systems, and infrastructure. Malcolm is also passionate about aerospace and bioinformatics, which led him to found Cosmo Labs AB and work as a software consultant at Abiogenesis Computer Systems Lab. At Cosmo Labs AB, they provided software solutions for satellite communication, orbital mechanics, and data analysis. At Abiogenesis Computer Systems Lab, they tackled bioinformatics challenges such as genome sequencing, protein structure prediction, and drug discovery. Prior to that, he worked for Spotify managing storage solutions at scale. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Beyond GitOps: Rethinking Cloud Self-Service with Dave Williams | 22 Jan 2025 | 01:16:17 | |
Is GitOps holding your team back? In this thought-provoking conversation with Massdriver co-founder Dave Williams, we challenge conventional wisdom around cloud infrastructure management and explore why traditional approaches to compliance and self-service may be creating more problems than they solve. Discover how leading organizations are moving beyond ceremonial approval processes to create truly automated, self-service platforms that enhance developer productivity while maintaining security and control. Learn why treating infrastructure as code differently from application code could be the key to unlocking engineering velocity. Key topics covered:
Whether you're a platform engineer, engineering leader, or developer frustrated with current infrastructure processes, this episode offers practical insights for evolving your approach to cloud operations. Guest: Dave Williams, DevOps Propagandist Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Breaking Down Healthcare Delivery Barriers with Joel Vasallo | 08 Jan 2025 | 00:50:49 | |
Feeling overwhelmed by the number of apps you need to manage while building developer trust, managing costs, and trying to create an extensible platform that teams actually want to use? Joel Vasallo shares practical insights from scaling TAG's platform engineering initiatives across multiple healthcare organizations. Learn how his team transformed deployment times from weeks to minutes while maintaining security and compliance. Joel breaks down the journey from initial Kubernetes adoption to managing 70+ applications. Listeners will gain actionable strategies for:
Whether you're in healthcare or any regulated industry, this conversation provides a practical roadmap for evolving your platform engineering practice. Guest: Joel Vasallo, Senior Director of Platform Engineering at TAG Joel is the Senior Director of Platform Engineering at TAG - The Aspen Group where he leads teams focused on DevOps, SRE, and Delivery Engineering. Together, these teams aim to build and architect highly available cloud environments, develop infrastructure and development tools, and empower developers through fully automated deployment pipelines. In his spare time, he runs monthly meetups in Chicago through the Google Developers program. When he isn’t working, he loves exploring Sweet Home Chicago! Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Building Better Platforms with Dapr: Abstractions, Portability, and Durable Systems with Mark Fussell | 16 Jul 2025 | 00:48:39 | |
Cloud lock-in isn't just about where your data lives—it's about how deeply cloud-specific code permeates your applications. Mark Fussell, co-creator of Dapr and CEO of Diagrid, joins Cory O'Daniel to explore how Dapr provides clean abstractions for common distributed system patterns, enabling teams to build portable applications without sacrificing cloud-native capabilities. The conversation covers:
Whether you're a platform engineer struggling with cloud lock-in or a developer tired of rewriting code for different infrastructures, this conversation demonstrates how Dapr can simplify your distributed systems while maintaining access to the unique capabilities of each cloud provider. Guest: Mark Fussell, Co-founder of Dapr and CEO of Diagrid Mark Fussell is the CEO of Diagrid, a cutting-edge company that simplifies building and scaling cloud-native applications. As the co-founder of Dapr (Distributed Application Runtime), Mark has played a pivotal role in shaping the future of modern application development by empowering developers to build resilient, distributed systems with ease. With decades of experience in the software industry, Mark has been a driving force behind innovative solutions that bridge the gap between developers and complex infrastructure. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| From React to Dagster: Pete Hunt on Data, Infra, and AI-Ready Platforms | 30 Jul 2025 | 00:49:32 | |
Is Postgres actually a better message queue than Kafka? This provocative question is just one of many insights Pete Hunt shares in this conversation about data orchestration, platform engineering, and the evolution of infrastructure. Pete Hunt, CEO of Dagster Labs and former React co-founder at Facebook, brings his unique perspective from working at tech giants like Instagram and Twitter to discuss how different platform team approaches impact product development. Having witnessed both Facebook's clear delineation between product and infrastructure teams and Twitter's DevOps-style ownership model, Pete offers valuable comparisons of these contrasting philosophies. The conversation explores:
Pete also shares his thoughtful approach to balancing technical debt and product development with a "quarter on, quarter off" cadence that allows teams to both ship features and clean up the inevitable corners that get cut under deadline pressure. For platform engineers, data teams, and technical leaders navigating the intersection of infrastructure and AI, this episode provides practical insights on creating abstractions that deliver real operational value without unnecessary complexity. Guest: Pete Hunt, CEO of Dagster Pete is the CEO of Dagster Labs, where he first joined as Head of Engineering in early 2022 and transitioned into the CEO role later that same year. Before Dagster, Pete co-founded Smyte, an anti-abuse startup acquired by Twitter, where he continued as a senior staff engineer. Earlier in his career, Pete was one of the first engineers to work on Instagram after its acquisition by Facebook in 2012. There, he led development on Instagram’s web and analytics teams and became a co-founder of the React.js project, helping transform an internal experiment into one of the most widely used front-end frameworks in the world. He was also part of the early community around GraphQL and has remained deeply engaged in open source and developer tooling. Pete brings a pragmatic, hands-on perspective to modern data infrastructure. Having been both a founder and an engineer, he focuses on reducing complexity and fatigue in data teams by building tools that actually work together. At Dagster, he remains close to the code and actively involved in technical decisions, combining leadership with deep technical fluency. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Beyond Cracking the Coding Interview with Mike Mroczka | 20 Aug 2025 | 01:08:35 | |
Ever wondered how many “perfect” candidates simply learned the test—or how many great engineers get filtered out by bad interview design? Mike Mroczka, interview coach and ex-Googler, shares what really goes on behind technical hiring and how to navigate it to your advantage. What you’ll learn:
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Guest: Mike Mroczka, Primary author of Beyond Cracking the Coding Interview, Ex-Google Mike Mroczka, a former senior SWE (Google, Salesforce, GE), is now a tech consultant with a decade of experience helping engineers land their dream jobs. He’s a top-rated mentor (interviewing.io, Karat, Pathrise, Skilledinc) and the author of viral technical content on system design and technical interview strategies featured on HackerNews, Business Insider, and Wired. Beyond Cracking the Coding Interview Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| GraphQL, MCP, and the Future of APIs with Apollo CEO Matt DeBergalis | 10 Sep 2025 | 00:43:07 | |
**UPDATE** - Apollo GraphQL has kindly offered us a few free passes to join them at the GraphQL Summit in San Francisco, October 6-8, 2025. If you are interested in going, the code is: PodcastSummit25 What if your API layer could help you ship faster today and make tomorrow’s AI workflows safer and easier to build? Apollo CEO Matt DeBergalis explains how GraphQL became a practical standard for unifying messy backends, why declarative schemas and strong types are the “bedrock” for agentic systems, and where MCP fits when you want agents to call business data safely. You’ll hear real examples of speeding up frontends, tightening observability, and running focused personalization without “fat” APIs. What you’ll learn:
Guest: Matt DeBergalis, CEO and Co-Founder of Apollo GraphQL Matt DeBergalis is the Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder of Apollo GraphQL, focused on bringing the popular GraphQL technology to the enterprise. He previously served as Apollo's CTO, leading product and engineering. Matt's longtime focus has been in open source and platforms: he co-founded Meteor.js, which grew to become one of the most popular open-source projects in the world for developing full-stack web apps with JavaScript, as well as ActBlue, the American political fundraising platform that revolutionized grassroots political giving. He attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and resides in the San Francisco Bay Area with his family. In his spare time, Matt enjoys taking to the air and flying his 1966 Beechcraft Baron. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Guest Host: Kelsey Hightower — Why IaC Alone Isn’t Enough | 08 Oct 2025 | 00:39:40 | |
Ever wonder why strong Terraform modules still lead to long review queues and fragile pipelines? From hand-built scripts and early data center migrations to cloud sprawl and Kubernetes, configuration management has changed a lot - but the core struggle remains: too many decisions, not enough guardrails. Guest host Kelsey Hightower sits down with Cory O’Daniel to unpack where Infrastructure as Code succeeds and where teams get stuck. What you’ll learn:
Guest Host: Kelsey Hightower Kelsey has worn every hat possible throughout his career in tech and enjoys leadership roles focused on making things happen and shipping software. Prior to his retirement, he was a Distinguished Engineer at Google, where he worked on Google Cloud Platform. He is a strong open source advocate with a focus on building great software as well as great communities around them. He is also an accomplished author and keynote speaker with a knack for demystifying complex topics, doing live demos and enabling others to succeed. When he is not writing code, you can catch him giving technical workshops covering everything from programming to system administration. Guest: Cory O'Daniel, CEO and Co-Founder of Massdriver and Co-Founder of OpenTofu Cory has been a software architect and engineer for 20 years, leading up to the founding of MassDriver. He's also a husband and the father of two kids. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| How to Ship Faster with Feature Flags: Insights from Unleash | 24 Sep 2025 | 00:43:58 | |
Still freezing code before Black Friday and hoping nothing breaks? Feature flags can help you ship smaller, safer changes continuously—without the “big bang” risk or painful rollbacks. Cory O’Daniel talks with Unleash VP of Marketing Michael Ferranti about how modern teams use flags as a core delivery primitive alongside CI/CD and trunk-based development. They dig into kill switches for instant mitigation, progressive rollouts tied to real metrics, and why homegrown “if-statement” systems turn into hidden platforms you didn’t mean to build. They also cover the rising volume of AI‑assisted code and how flags provide the control layer to move faster while protecting reliability. What you’ll learn:
Guest: Michael Ferranti, VP of Marketing at Unleash Michael Ferranti has held leadership roles at Teleport, Portworx, ClusterHQ, and Rackspace Technology, with a focus on go-to-market strategy in open-source and enterprise software. At Teleport he focused on shifting from legacy security models to developer-first, identity-driven access. At Portworx, he was building new GTM strategies for Kubernetes-native storage when everyone was still figuring out containers, and he helped scale the company from under $500K in revenue to a $370M acquisition by Pure Storage. His work has centered on supporting engineering leaders in delivering features, scaling infrastructure, and improving security without adding unnecessary blockers. Michael has spoken at industry events like KubeCon and theCUBE, sharing insights on platform org design, category creation, and growing open-source adoption. Links to interesting things from this episode:
** REMINDER** - Apollo GraphQL has kindly offered us a few free passes to join them at the GraphQL Summit in San Francisco, October 6-8, 2025. If you are interested in going, the code is: PodcastSummit25 | |||
| Guest Host: Kelsey Hightower - Are CI/CD and GitOps Just Making Things Harder? | 22 Oct 2025 | 00:30:18 | |
What if your production environment had a live, trustworthy blueprint you could zoom in and out of on demand? Kelsey Hightower guest-hosts a candid conversation with Cory about why CI/CD pipelines and GitOps often break down for cloud infrastructure. They explore a simpler operational model: treat infrastructure as data, lean on clear checkpoints instead of rigid “golden paths,” and make production legible for both developers and ops. You’ll learn:
Walk away with concrete patterns to make production understandable, auditable, and easier to change—without more YAML or bigger pipelines. Guest Host: Kelsey Hightower Kelsey has worn every hat possible throughout his career in tech and enjoys leadership roles focused on making things happen and shipping software. Prior to his retirement, he was a Distinguished Engineer at Google, where he worked on Google Cloud Platform. He is a strong open source advocate with a focus on building great software as well as great communities around them. He is also an accomplished author and keynote speaker with a knack for demystifying complex topics, doing live demos and enabling others to succeed. When he is not writing code, you can catch him giving technical workshops covering everything from programming to system administration. Guest: Cory O'Daniel, CEO and Co-Founder of Massdriver and Co-Founder of OpenTofu Cory has been a software architect and engineer for 20 years, leading up to the founding of MassDriver. He's also a husband and the father of two kids. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Policy as Code: Kyverno and Securing Kubernetes at Scale with Jim Bugwadia | 19 Nov 2025 | 00:42:21 | |
Most Kubernetes security breaches don't come from zero-day exploits - they come from misconfigurations. While your team runs scanners and reviews reports, containers are already running as root, network policies are missing, and compliance violations are piling up across dozens of repositories. Jim Bugwadia, co-founder and CEO of Nirmata and creator of Kyverno, joins Cory to talk about a different approach: policy as code. Instead of asking developers to remember security best practices across every repo, what if your cluster automatically enforced secure defaults and blocked non-compliant deployments before they ever reached production? You'll learn how to start using Kyverno today without breaking your production environment - from running your first audit scan (no installation required) to implementing enforcement mode with exceptions. Jim explains why micro-segmentation matters more than ever, how to automate network policies for every namespace, and why platform teams are using Kyverno for everything from security to cost optimization. Whether you're running one cluster or managing Kubernetes at scale, this conversation offers practical strategies for making security a byproduct of your platform - not an afterthought. Topics covered:
Guest: Jim Bugwadia, Co-Founder & CEO of Nirmata and creator of Kyverno Jim Bugwadia is the Co-founder and CEO of Nirmata, a Kubernetes management platform built for enterprises to simplify and scale cloud-native operations across clouds, data centers, edge, and connected devices. With a mission to democratize cloud-native best practices, Jim brings deep expertise in building large-scale software products and leading high-performing teams. Before founding Nirmata, he led a global consulting team at Cisco, guiding enterprises and service providers on their cloud computing journeys. Earlier in his career, he contributed to innovative products at startups and major companies including Trapeze Networks, Pano Logic, Jetstream, Lucent, and Motorola. A hands-on technologist, Jim continues to code in Go, Java, and JavaScript, reflecting his passion for building in the rapidly evolving world of software. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Guest Host: Kelsey Hightower - Beyond Pipelines: Infrastructure As Data | 05 Nov 2025 | 00:48:51 | |
Is your Git repo really the source of truth for infrastructure - or just a suggestion? Guest host Kelsey Hightower sits down with Cory O’Daniel to unpack why many teams hit dead ends with CI/CD for provisioning, where GitOps struggles with drift, and when TicketOps helps or hurts. They explore a different model: infrastructure as data with typed contracts, shared artifacts, and workflows that embed policy, validation, and upgrades from the start. You’ll hear practical ways to reduce cognitive load for developers while giving operations reliable control and better day‑2 levers. You’ll learn:
Guest Host: Kelsey Hightower Kelsey has worn every hat possible throughout his career in tech and enjoys leadership roles focused on making things happen and shipping software. Prior to his retirement, he was a Distinguished Engineer at Google, where he worked on Google Cloud Platform. He is a strong open source advocate with a focus on building great software as well as great communities around them. He is also an accomplished author and keynote speaker with a knack for demystifying complex topics, doing live demos and enabling others to succeed. When he is not writing code, you can catch him giving technical workshops covering everything from programming to system administration. Guest: Cory O'Daniel, CEO and Co-Founder of Massdriver and Co-Founder of OpenTofu Cory has been a software architect and engineer for 20 years, leading up to the founding of MassDriver. He's also a husband and the father of two kids. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Simplicity at Scale: Cleaning House for Platform Teams with Brian Childress | 17 Dec 2025 | 00:40:46 | |
Why do so many “modern” platforms feel slow, fragile, and painful to work on? Platform engineer and fractional CTO Brian Childress joins Cory to discuss how over-engineering, resume‑driven development, and scattered tooling quietly block teams from shipping value. They explore why simplicity is a competitive advantage for platform teams, especially as AI becomes part of everyday development. You’ll learn:
Whether you’re cleaning up a messy stack or trying to keep a young platform from drifting into chaos, this conversation gives you concrete patterns for keeping things simple while still scaling teams, systems, and features. Guest: Brian Childress, Platform engineer and fractional CTO Brian Childress is an accomplished Software Engineer, Architect and Fractional CTO. For over a decade Brian has developed applications in healthcare, finance, and consumer products. Brian has spoken internationally on topics such as application security and developer tooling. Brian spends his free time researching and teaching the latest in application and API security design and best practices. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Using Feature Flags to Tame Complexity with Mike Zorn | 03 Dec 2025 | 00:43:29 | |
What if changing a single flag could save you from a failed migration, a broken API, or a late-night rollback? Join us as we dive into how feature flags become a practical tool for changing application behavior at runtime, not just toggling UI elements. Cory talks Mike Zorn about real stories from LaunchDarkly and Rippling, covering how teams use flags to ship safely, debug faster, and simplify complex systems. You’ll hear about:
If you’re working on a platform, running critical infrastructure, or just trying to ship faster without breaking everything, this conversation offers concrete patterns you can start using right away. Guest: Mike Zorn, Senior Software Engineer at Rippling Mike’s software engineering journey began with an early interest in problem-solving and programming, starting with creating programs on a TI-83 calculator in middle school. After studying mathematics in college, he transitioned into software through an applied math project that required coding, which sparked his interest in engineering as a career. Professionally, he has worked at several product and SaaS companies, including one that was an early LaunchDarkly customer, where they experienced firsthand the challenges of managing feature flags internally. That experience led him to appreciate the value of tools like LaunchDarkly, eventually joining the company himself. Since then, he has contributed across various areas, including focusing on how LaunchDarkly can best adopt its own platform internally to streamline releases and help engineers work more efficiently. His latest adventure has been joining Rippling as a Senior Staff Software Engineer. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Observability in the AI Era with New Relic's Nic Benders | 18 Feb 2026 | 00:50:37 | |
What happens when nobody wrote the code running in your production environment? As AI-generated software becomes standard practice, platform engineers face a new challenge: operating systems without experts to consult. Nic Benders, Chief Technical Strategist at New Relic, has spent 15 years watching observability evolve from basic server monitoring to understanding complex distributed systems. Now he's tackling the next frontier: how to maintain and operate software when there's no human author to ask why something was built a certain way. The conversation covers the shift from instrumentation being the hard problem to understanding being the bottleneck. Nic explains why inventory matters more than you think, how to approach AI-generated code as a black box that needs testing and telemetry, and why "garbage in, safety out" should be your new mantra. You'll learn practical strategies for instrumenting modern systems with OpenTelemetry, why your observability hierarchy needs to start with knowing what's actually running, and how to build platforms that make safe deployment easier than risky shortcuts. Nic also shares his perspective on technical drift versus technical debt and what changes when your best troubleshooting tool - institutional knowledge - no longer exists. Whether you're drowning in observability data or just starting to instrument your systems, this conversation offers concrete approaches for building understanding into your platform engineering practice. Guest: Nic Benders, Chief Technical Strategist at New Relic Nic Benders is New Relic's Chief Technical Strategist. Part of the Engineering team since the early days of the company, Nic has been involved with everything from Agents to ZooKeeper and all the pieces and products in between. As New Relic's Chief Technical Strategist, he now looks after the long-term technical strategy behind the product and the experience of all the engineering teams who build it. Before New Relic, he worked in the mobile space, managing back-end messaging and commerce systems powering some of the largest carriers in the world. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Why Extend Went All-In on Serverless Platform Engineering | 04 Mar 2026 | 01:02:28 | |
Billions of requests a month on AWS Lambda can cost less than a single engineer’s laptop budget, but only if the architecture and developer workflow are designed for it. Justin Masse, Senior Platform DevOps Engineer at Extend, shares how Extend committed early to a serverless-first approach and built a platform that prioritizes developer speed and low operational toil. The conversation breaks down what it takes to run active-active, multi-region systems in a serverless world, how the team keeps services small and fast, and why asynchronous, event-driven design changes both reliability and cost. You’ll also hear how Extend treats developer experience as a core platform responsibility: templated microservices, fast deployment pipelines, ephemeral environments for pull requests, and infrastructure that developers can own without becoming cloud specialists. A big theme is using AWS CDK and internal abstractions to keep infrastructure close to the application code, so teams can move quickly while keeping platform standards consistent. Finally, the discussion gets practical about tradeoffs that show up after the “serverless is easy” pitch: local development challenges, the real cost center (observability), and where AI is helping today, including an internal agent that diagnoses failed deployments and suggests fixes. What you’ll learn
Guest: Jusin Masse, Senior Platform DevOps Engineer at Extend Justin Masse is a self-proclaimed lead chaos engineer, recognized within niche engineering communities for his expertise Chaos Engineering and Infrastructure & DevOps. The father of three young kids, a husband, a recent MBA graduate, recent cancer survivor, and competitive powerlifter, he still finds time to actively contribute to the platform engineering community. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Infrastructure as Code's Hidden Problem with Pavlo Baron | 18 Mar 2026 | 00:57:35 | |
Terraform drift, state wrangling, and a growing “tools for tools” stack are still daily work for many platform teams - despite a decade of DevOps talk and cloud maturity. Why does ops automation so often feel like it needs babysitting? Pavlo Baron breaks down where Infrastructure as Code tends to break down in real organizations: manual drift management, low-level state complexity, and a lack of practical abstractions that let developers self-serve without inheriting the entire ops burden. The conversation digs into what a more use-case-driven approach could look like - where teams can choose when to enforce desired state, when to accept emergency changes, and how to build “guardrails” that reduce mistakes without slowing delivery. Pavlo also explains why type safety and constrained interfaces matter (especially as AI starts generating more code and infrastructure changes), and why the future of platform engineering depends less on slogans and more on systems that reduce toil. Guest: Pavlo Baron, Co-Founder and CEO of Platform Engineering Labs Pavlo Baron is Co-Founder and CEO of Platform Engineering Labs, who are crafting tools to remove the toil from the operations work, with a current focus on infrastructure. He is a veteran in the space, having served in all kinds of roles throughout his career that spans more than 35 years. Previously, he was co-founder, CTO, and major inventor at an observability startup, Instana, that was acquired by IBM in 2020. Pavlo is a frequent conference speaker and author of several books. https://pavlobaron.medium.com/ https://github.com/platform-engineering-labs https://www.linkedin.com/company/platform-engineering-labs https://bsky.app/profile/platform.engineering https://mastodon.social/@plateng_labs https://www.youtube.com/@plateng-labs Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| AI-Native Ops: Making AI Safe for Production with William Collins | 01 Apr 2026 | 01:03:00 | |
What happens when your “coworker” can generate code and changes faster than your team can review them, and production still has to stay up? William Collins breaks down what AI-Native Ops looks like when you take reliability seriously: where reasoning should stop, where deterministic automation should begin, and how guardrails like compliance checks, version pinning, and controlled workflows keep AI from turning into outage fuel. Cory and William also dig into why context windows and tool sprawl matter in real systems, how protocols like MCP and agent-to-agent communication are shaping day-to-day automation, and why regulated environments can’t adopt new tech with hype-driven shortcuts. If you’re a platform engineer trying to balance speed with safety, this conversation offers a practical way to use AI for the work that drags teams down, without giving up operational discipline. Guest: William Collins, Director of Technical Evangelism at Itential, AWS community builder, and the co-host of the Cloud Gambit podcast William Collins is a strategic thinker and catalyst for innovation. Over his career, he has helped enterprises build large-scale networks, driven modernization through cloud adoption, and excels at optimizing complex environments through good design practices and automation. Today, William works as Director of Technical Evangelism for Itential, where he focuses on evangelizing the Itential Platform, fostering strong relationships with customers to fully realize their goals, engaging with community, and advocating for the successful future of network, security, and automation infrastructure. As a content creator, William hosts The Cloud Gambit Podcast with Eyvonne Sharp, a show that unravels the state of cloud computing, markets, strategy, and emerging trends with industry experts. He is also a LinkedIn Learning Instructor (Automation, Cloud, and Network Engineering Content), AWS Community Builder (Network & Content Delivery), and is a group organizer for the USNUA - Kentucky User Group (KYNUG). Prior to Itential, William worked as a Principal Cloud Architect and Director of Technical Evangelism for Alkira where he helped grow the company from lean beginnings to being ranked 25th Fastest-Growing Company in North America and 6th in the Bay Area on the 2024 Deloitte Technology Fast 500. He also held various senior technical roles across the enterprise space in Financial Services and Healthcare, most recently at Humana as Director of Cloud Architecture. Outside of tech, his time is spent with family, woodworking, ice hockey, and guitar. Opinions expressed are solely his own and do not express the views or opinions of his employer. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| Green CI and Merge Queue Mastery with Trunk’s Eli Schleifer | 15 Apr 2026 | 00:49:35 | |
When a flaky test can stall a merge queue, “just rerun CI” stops scaling fast. Cory talks with Trunk co-founder and CEO Eli Schleifer about the outer loop problems that show up as teams ship more code - especially with AI-assisted development increasing PR volume. They break down what a merge queue is, why logical merge conflicts happen even when individual PRs are green, and how predictive testing helps protect main without forcing constant retesting. Eli also explains how Trunk approaches flaky tests: collecting JUnit results, using quarantines so known flakes don’t block delivery, and fingerprinting failures to tell the difference between “this always times out” and “this was just broken by a recent change.” The conversation closes on how review and quality practices may shift as code generation accelerates - and what still needs strong guardrails like tests, security checks, and reliable CI signals. Guest: Eli Schleifer, co-founder and CEO of Trunk Eli Schleifer leads Trunk’s technical vision and product strategy, focused on closing the gap between AI-speed code generation and human-speed delivery by removing the bottlenecks that slow modern engineering teams. Trunk’s platform eliminates flaky tests, resolves merge queue constraints, and redesigns CI systems to enable high-throughput, continuous delivery. Prior to founding Trunk, Eli was CTO at Directr, which was acquired by Google, and has served in engineering leadership roles at YouTube, Uber, and Microsoft. Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||
| You Need AI Sysadmins Can Trust, With Cribl's Nikhil Mungel | 13 May 2026 | 00:55:16 | |
What happens when a non-deterministic AI system is asked to touch production telemetry or generate changes for an SRE pipeline? The cost of being “close enough” can be lost data, downtime, or a security incident. Cribl’s Nikhil Mungel joins Cory to break down what it takes to build AI that sysadmins can actually trust. The conversation digs into harness engineering and the practical guardrails that turn probabilistic models into repeatable, verifiable outcomes. They cover why breaking work into small chunks matters, how validation and testing become the real leverage point for AI-native development, and what “code factories” mean for review, CI, and platform reliability when teams can generate a thousand PRs an hour. Platform engineers will also hear a pragmatic take on the future of the job. The focus shifts away from typing code and toward building systems for verification, simulation, and safe deployment at scale, plus clearer ways to decide what needs human scrutiny and what can ship automatically. Guest: Nikhil Mungel, Head of AI R&D at Cribl Nikhil Mungel is the Head of AI R&D at Cribl, where he's building LLM-powered systems for IT and Security data transformation and analysis. Before Cribl, he spent over a decade developing distributed systems across the observability and consumer social tech landscape. He lives in San Francisco with his wife and two kids. His current focus is applying AI to make complex infrastructure more intuitive and explainable. Links to interesting things from this episode:
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| Durable Execution for Real‑World Failures with Temporal’s Cornelia Davis | 27 May 2026 | 00:46:27 | |
A lot of infrastructure and automation fails for ordinary reasons: rate limits, flaky networks, partial permissions, long-running jobs, and retries that vanish when the process restarts. Durable execution is a way to design systems that keep going anyway - without rebuilding a maze of queues, cron jobs, and manual cleanup. Cornelia Davis breaks down how durable execution works in practice: writing “normal” code while the runtime provides durable retries, state management, and the ability to pause work, wait for a human or external change (like a quota increase), and resume right where things left off. The conversation connects these ideas to platform engineering realities - Terraform workflows, long provisioning times, and “orphan” resources - and explains how Temporal workflows and activities help teams model failure handling as a first-class part of the system. You’ll also hear why this approach is showing up in AI engineering: long-running agent workflows, frequent rate limiting, and the need to avoid re-running expensive LLM calls when something breaks near the end. Guest: Cornelia Davis, Developer Advocate at Temporal Technologies and author of “Cloud Native Patterns” Cornelia Davis is a Developer Advocate at Temporal, where she brings more than three decades of experience as a software technologist to help engineers build resilient, scalable systems. Known for her pragmatic blend of hands-on coding, technical strategy, and customer collaboration, Cornelia is passionate about helping developers unlock the full potential of modern cloud-native architectures. Previously, she served as VP of Technology at Pivotal, where she played a key role in shaping Cloud Foundry and enabling enterprise cloud transformations. Whether she’s writing code, presenting at conferences, or whiteboarding with teams, Cornelia is driven by a singular goal: empowering developers to build better software. Outside of tech, she recharges on the yoga mat or in the kitchen, where she brings the same creativity and focus to her practice. Temporal’s AI-assisted development tools Links to interesting things from this episode: | |||