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Gouged: How Big Tech Reinvented the Rip-Off (with Lindsay Owens)
Tuesday, September 22, 2026 • Duration 46:15
For 150 years, the price tag made a simple and universal promise: the price you saw was the price everyone saw. Now, that promise is disappearing. This week, Lindsay Owens, President and CEO of the Groundwork Collaborative returns to discuss her new book, Gouged: The End of a Fair Price — And What That Means for Your Wallet. She explains how corporations are using algorithms, personal data, and AI to figure out not what something costs, but how much you personally are willing to pay. From Instacart’s grocery experiments to the coming world of AI shopping agents, the conversation asks a basic question: If nobody knows what the real price is, can markets actually work the way we’re told they do?
Lindsay Owens, PhD, is the President and CEO of Groundwork Collaborative, an economic policy think tank focused on corporate power, prices, and an economy that works for workers and families. She is also the author of Gouged: The End of a Fair Price — And What That Means for Your Wallet.
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Further reading:
Gouged: The End of a Fair Price—and What That Means for Your Wallet
“Same Cart, Different Price: Instacart’s Price Experiments Cost Families at Checkout”
When the Invisible Hand Becomes An Algorithm with Lindsay Owens
How Outsized Corporate Profits Raised Prices with Lindsay Owens
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Can We Build a Common Good Economy? (with Mariana Mazzucato)
Tuesday, September 15, 2026 • Duration 42:38
Economics teaches us to think of markets as natural forces, and government as something that should only intervene when they fail. In her new book, The Common Good Economy: How to Make Capitalism Work for Us All, economist Mariana Mazzucato argues that story is backward. She joins Nick and Goldy to ask what changes when we recognize that markets are choices — shaped by rules, institutions, public investment, and power — and what that means for the kind of economy we could build instead.
If we designed this system, can we redesign it?
Mariana Mazzucato is a Professor in the Economics of Innovation and Public Value at University College London (UCL) and founding director of the UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose. She is the author of several acclaimed books, including The Entrepreneurial State, The Value of Everything, Mission Economy, The Big Con, and most recently, The Common Good Economy: How to Make Capitalism Work for Us All.
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The Common Good Economy: How to Make Capitalism Work for Us All
UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose
The Entrepreneurial State
Mission Economy: A Moonshot Guide to Changing Capitalism
The Big Con
The Great Transformation by Karl Polanyi
A Mission-Oriented Approach to School Meals
Mission-Oriented Public-Private Partnerships: Lessons from the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine
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The $29 Trillion Social Security Crisis We Already Know How to Fix ( with Rey Fuentes)
Tuesday, September 8, 2026 • Duration 33:45
Americans are told Social Security is in trouble because there are more retirees and fewer workers to support them. But that story leaves out a major part of the problem: how much income now sits outside the system that funds Social Security.
Roosevelt Institute’s Rey Fuentes joins Nick and Goldy to explain how rising inequality, stagnant wages, and an outdated payroll-tax structure helped create Social Security’s looming shortfall — and why benefit cuts are far from inevitable. Plus, Nick puts forward a different way to think about fixing the system — one that starts with a basic question: why should some kinds of income count toward Social Security while others don’t?
Rey Fuentes is Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Roosevelt Institute.
The $29 trillion figure in this episode’s title refers to Social Security’s projected 75-year unfunded obligation. According to the 2026 Social Security Trustees Report, the combined retirement, survivor, and disability programs are projected to have a $29.3 trillion financing shortfall, measured in present-value dollars, between 2026 and 2100. That is not $29 trillion that comes due when the retirement trust fund is projected to deplete its reserves in 2032.
Read the 2026 Social Security Trustees Report Summary
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Further reading:
Social Security Doesn’t Need Cuts. The Fiscal Panic Is Missing Where the Money Is
1983 v. 2032: The Economics of the Last and Next Social Security Reform
What’s Actually Behind Social Security’s Trust Fund Shortfall
“Will Social Security Run Out?” Is the Wrong Question: How Lawmakers Can Protect Beneficiaries and Strengthen OASI
“Sound, Needy, and Patriotic Legislation”: Preserving the Fundamental Promises of the Social Security System
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Profit, Power, and the Crisis of the Common Good (with Sen. Chris Murphy)
Tuesday, September 1, 2026 • Duration 39:33
Why do so many Americans feel powerless, lonely, and disconnected — and what does that have to do with our economy?
Senator Chris Murphy joins Nick and Goldy to discuss his new book, Crisis of the Common Good, which makes the case that America’s political crisis is inseparable from a deeper collapse of power, connection, and shared purpose.
They dig into the “cult of profit,” Market Humanism, AI, scarcity, corruption, and the limits of an economy organized around efficiency and extraction. It’s a conversation about what happens when profit becomes the highest measure of success, and what it would mean to build an economy rooted in dignity, connection, and the common good.
Senator Chris Murphy is the junior United States Senator for Connecticut
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Crisis of the Common Good: The Fight for Meaning and Connection in a Broken America
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Chains of Command: How Franchising Turned Control Without Responsibility Into a Business Model (with Brian Callaci)
Tuesday, August 25, 2026 • Duration 42:44
When you walk into a McDonald’s, it looks like one company. But legally, the person making your fries probably doesn’t work for McDonald’s at all. Brian Callaci, Chief Economist at the Open Markets Institute and author of Chains of Command, joins Nick and Goldy to explain how franchising became a blueprint for corporate control without responsibility — shifting risk, liability, and labor costs onto franchisees and workers while profits flow upward.
Brian Callaci is the chief economist at the Open Markets Institute and author of Chains of Command: The Rise and Cruel Reign of the Franchise Economy.
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Chains of Command: The Rise and Cruel Reign of the Franchise Economy
Franchise: The Golden Arches in Black America by Marcia Chatelain
Sectoral bargaining FAQ: Collective bargaining, sectoral wage and standards boards, and worker power
The Founder (2016)
Continental T.V., Inc. v. GTE Sylvania, Inc., 433 U.S. 36 (1977)
Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust & Monopoly Hearing on Distribution problems affecting small business. Part 1: franchising agreements, March (1965)
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The Joy of Money (with Carrie Joy Grimes)
Tuesday, August 18, 2026 • Duration 41:23
Most personal finance advice starts with the same basic premise: you’re doing money wrong. But Carrie Joy Grimes, founder of WorkMoney and author of The Joy of Money, says that misses half the story.
Yes, people need real tools to budget, save, pay down debt, and plan for the future. But no amount of discipline can fix an economy where wages are too low, costs are too high, and working people have lost power over the rules that shape their lives. This week, Nick and Goldy talk with Grimes about why money is “math and feelings,” how shame keeps people stuck, why so much financial advice is written for people who already have money, and why the best thing we can do is not teach people to be better at being poor — but build an economy where fewer people are poor in the first place.
Carrie Joy Grimes is the founder and CEO of WorkMoney and author of The Joy of Money. Before founding WorkMoney, she spent two decades as a union organizer fighting for higher wages, better benefits, and stronger worker power.
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The Joy of Money: How to Do More With and Feel Better About Your Money—No Matter How Much You Have
WorkMoney - Provides free tools, tips, and resources to help people lower their living costs, find financial assistance, and increase their overall income.
MoneyFinder - A bill-negotiation service launched by WorkMoney.
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What Happened to Liberal Democracy (with Nobel Prize-winning economist Daron Acemoglu)
Tuesday, August 11, 2026 • Duration 45:27
Nobel Prize-winning MIT economist Daron Acemoglu joins Nick and Goldy to discuss his new book, What Happened to Liberal Democracy? Remaking a Politics of Shared Prosperity. They explore why so many people have lost faith in democracy, how inequality and weakened worker power have reshaped politics, and why democracy has to deliver in people’s daily lives. They also dig into AI, automation, and whether new technology will concentrate even more wealth and power — or help build a more prosperous, democratic future.
Daron Acemoglu is a Nobel Prize-winning economist and Institute Professor at MIT. He is one of the world’s leading thinkers on political economy, institutions, inequality, technology, and the relationship between democracy and shared prosperity. His books include Why Nations Fail, The Narrow Corridor, and Power and Progress. His new book is What Happened to Liberal Democracy? Remaking a Politics of Shared Prosperity.
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What Happened to Liberal Democracy? Remaking a Politics of Shared Prosperity
New York Times - Nearly 200 Economists and Tech Leaders Warn of A.I. Threats
NBER - Automation and Repression
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What Happens When the Other Washington Stops Enforcing Antitrust? (with WA State Attorney General Nick Brown)
Tuesday, August 4, 2026 • Duration 39:59
Paramount Skydance wants to merge with Warner Bros. Discovery in a $111 billion deal that would put even more of Hollywood—and two major newsrooms—under one corporate roof.
Washington State Attorney General Nick Brown joins Nick and Goldy to explain why a coalition of states is suing to stop it, how they forced Paramount to pause the merger, and why state attorneys general are increasingly stepping in as the federal government retreats from antitrust enforcement. They also discuss the successful fights against Live Nation–Ticketmaster and Kroger–Albertsons—and what happens when corporations become powerful enough to escape competition.
Nick Brown is the Attorney General of Washington State
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Washington Post - Washington state is suing Paramount. Here’s why.
Washington State Office of the Attorney General
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The Good Life Economy (with Elizabeth Wilkins)
Tuesday, July 28, 2026 • Duration 41:55
What is the economy for — GDP, corporate profits, or people?
This week, Nick and Goldy talk with Elizabeth Wilkins, President and CEO of the Roosevelt Institute, about Roosevelt’s new Good Life Agenda and why so many old assumptions about markets, government, and growth are suddenly up for grabs. It’s a conversation about human flourishing, public power, and what democracy has to deliver if people are going to believe in it again.
Elizabeth Wilkins is the President and CEO of the Roosevelt Institute.She previously served as Chief of Staff to the Chair and Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission. She has also held senior roles in the White House and the Office of the Attorney General for the District of Columbia, clerked for Justice Elena Kagan and then-Judge Merrick Garland. She began her career as a labor organizer with SEIU 32BJ. She is one of the authors of Roosevelt’s new report, The Good Life: An Agenda for Fuller Lives, a Stronger Economy, and Renewed Trust.
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Myths That Built Trickle-Down Economics: Productivity Doesn’t Trickle Down (with Preston Mui)
Tuesday, July 21, 2026 • Duration 37:21
Some of the world’s richest executives are selling AI as the engine of a yet-to-be realized “historic” productivity boom — while warning that it will also eliminate millions of jobs. But if workers absorb the disruption while the gains flow upward, that isn’t shared prosperity. It’s trickle-down economics with better software.
In the final installment of Myths That Built Trickle-Down Economics archive miniseries, we’re returning to Nick and Goldy’s conversation with economist Preston Mui about why productivity is a policy choice. Mui explains how full employment, sustained public investment, resilient supply chains, and affordable essentials create the conditions for workers and businesses to produce more value.
Technology may help us build a more productive economy. Policy will determine who benefits from it.
This episode originally aired April 2, 2024.
Preston Mui is a senior economist at Employ America specializing in macroeconomics, labor economics, productivity, and Federal Reserve policy.
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Further reading:
Post-ECI note: The Supply-side May Spoil Warsh's Productivity Story
The Dream of the 90s is Slipping Away in 2025
Early Estimates of the Impact of AI
Within BEA’s Industry Economic Accounts
Our Mission In An Age Of Turbulence: Creating A New Economic Policy Toolkit
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