In this episode, host Clint Till introduces the Persistence of Vision podcast and shares his journey in video production. Clint discusses his initial hesitation about starting a podcast and how his experiences in video production and writing a weekly newsletter inspired him to create this platform. He reflects on his career, highlighting the valuable lessons learned from both successes and failures. Clint also talks about the therapeutic nature of writing personal stories and the importance of persistence in the creative field. This episode sets the stage for future conversations with other creatives, offering insights and lessons from Clint's own experiences.
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I accidentally left the camera at home.
Season 1 · Episode 5
Wednesday, May 28, 2025 • Duration 45:24
Show Notes
Host: Clint Till
Guest: Jared Callan
Timestamps (starting after the intro; timestamps are approximate):
00:00:01: Introduction and Jared Callan's background
00:01:06: Meeting and collaboration on "That's My House"
00:02:25: Importance of patience and collaboration on set
00:03:33: Continuous learning and building relationships in filmmaking
00:05:08: Relationship between DP and gaffer
00:07:54: Jared's journey from aspiring rock star to filmmaker
00:10:42: Attending Full Sail University
00:13:13: Importance of practical experience and continuous learning
00:17:19: Balancing freelance work with personal life
00:20:40: Challenges and rewards of filmmaking
00:25:00: Building relationships on set
00:32:13: Lessons learned from early freelancing experiences
00:39:05: Importance of contracts and professionalism
00:42:43: Jared's podcast and social media links
Key Takeaways:
Patience and Collaboration: Jared emphasizes the importance of patience and collaboration on set, noting that the process often speeds up as the shoot progresses.
Jared reflects on his journey from aspiring rock star to filmmaker, highlighting the value of continuous learning and building strong relationships on set.
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I heard the nightmare stories ahead of time
Season 1 · Episode 4
Wednesday, April 23, 2025 • Duration 29:03
Shownotes (Timestamps are approximate)
00:00:00 - Introduction and Monica's approach to filmmaking. Clint and Monica discuss their long-standing collaboration and Monica's background in the Memphis film scene
00:01:55 - Monica talks about the importance of collaboration and the tight-knit nature of film crews
00:03:36 - Discussion on shared experiences and the sense of family among film crew members
00:06:21 - Monica shares her on-set nightmare stories, including a project with no script or shot list
00:10:15 - Monica discusses the challenges she faced while working as the 1st AD on a feature film whose director had no script or shot list. She talks about the issues this caused in maintaining the shooting schedule and the low morale among the crew
00:15:30 - Insights into the challenges of independent filmmaking, including problem-solving and dealing with negativity and a lack of respect.
00:20:45 – Monica talks about what she enjoys about her role as 1st AD, how she got into it, and how her own personal perseverance and dedication to networking helped her get into the industry.
00:25:00 - The importance of collaboration in the film industry and how diverse teams lead to innovative projects
00:30:10 - Monica's work with Radio Memphis and her excitement about being part of the Radio Memphis in the Morning show
Key Takeaways:
Monica emphasizes the importance of being open to others' ideas while maintaining a clear vision for her projects
She shares some of her challenging experiences on set, providing valuable insights into the realities of filmmaking
The conversation highlights the significance of collaboration and adaptability in the film industry
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The fun of being yelled at and spit on
Season 1 · Episode 3
Wednesday, March 26, 2025 • Duration 33:53
In this episode, host Clint Till sits down with Robb Rokk, a multifaceted creative professional who has made significant strides in video production, music, and nonprofit work. The conversation delves into Robb's journey from a stills photographer and web designer to a filmmaker and sound engineer. Robb shares anecdotes from his career, including his experiences on film sets, the challenges he faced, and the lessons he learned along the way. He also discusses his passion for teaching young filmmakers through the Desoto Arts Institute, emphasizing the importance of mentorship and creative expression. This episode offers valuable insights into the world of filmmaking and the collaborative nature of the industry, making it a must-listen for aspiring filmmakers and creative professionals.
Timestamps:
00:00 - 00:33: Introduction and background of the guest, Robb Rokk.
00:33 - 01:28: How Clint Till and Robb Rokk met and started collaborating on films.
01:28 - 02:22: Robb's journey from stills photography and web design to filmmaking.
02:22 - 03:11: Robb's first experience on a music video set in Nashville.
03:11 - 04:11: Learning filmmaking and overcoming imposter syndrome.
04:11 - 05:54: Robb's experiences and challenges on film sets.
05:54 - 07:18: Transition from audio recording to shooting films.
07:18 - 08:13: Creating and improving his first short film.
08:13 - 10:05: Working on "Mr. Responsibility" during the pandemic.
10:05 - 12:03: The spontaneity and collaboration in filmmaking.
12:03 - 14:08: Robb's approach to directing and working with talent.
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I want to travel and film EVERYTHING
Season 1 · Episode 2
Wednesday, February 26, 2025 • Duration 20:34
In this episode, host Clint Till interviews Kevin Pettit, a filmmaker and film critic who shares his journey from the BMX scene in South Jersey to becoming a filmmaker and critic based in Philadelphia. Kevin discusses how his early exposure to BMX premieres and the camaraderie among filmmakers inspired him to pursue a career in film. He recounts his experiences working on indie films, including a noir Western called "Monaco Blues," and emphasizes the importance of patience and collaboration on set. Kevin also talks about his transition to film criticism, writing reviews on Substack, and the lessons he's learned about persistence and creative fulfillment. This episode offers valuable insights into the world of filmmaking and film criticism, making it a must-listen for aspiring creatives.
Timestamps:
00:00 - 00:24: Introduction by Clint Till
00:24 - 01:13: Background on the Persistence of Vision podcast.
01:13 - 01:35: Introduction of guest Kevin Pettit.
01:35 - 02:03: Kevin's background and start in the BMX scene.
02:03 - 03:01: Transition from BMX filming to indie filmmaking.
03:01 - 04:32: Kevin's experiences and camaraderie in the BMX filmmaking community.
04:32 - 05:00: Lessons learned from the BMX community.
05:00 - 06:07: Kevin's move to Philadelphia and indie film projects.
06:07 - 07:06: Working on "Monaco Blues" and other indie films.
07:06 - 08:09: Patience and collaboration on film sets.
08:09 - 09:09: Kevin's first major film set experience.
09:09 - 10:18: Transition to film criticism and writing on Substack.
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My Jagged Mind
Season 1 · Episode 7
Wednesday, July 30, 2025 • Duration 01:01:07
In the latest episode of Persistence of Vision, I sat down with Allyson Morgan, a multifaceted creative professional with a strong background in theater. Allyson and I first met at the Magnolia Film Festival, where we bonded over our shared experiences in the film industry. During our conversation, Allyson shared her journey from acting to writing and filmmaking, emphasizing the importance of networking and making genuine connections at film festivals and industry events.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Introduction by Clint Till
00:00:32 - Introduction of Allyson Morgan
00:01:21 - Allyson's background and meeting Clint at the Magnolia Film Festival
00:02:02 - Allyson's professional introduction and career journey
00:05:13 - Networking and making connections at film festivals
00:07:08 - Allyson's experience at the Tallgrass Film Festival
00:08:12 - Allyson's early career and transition from acting to writing and filmmaking
00:12:02 - Moving to New York and starting a theater company
00:15:02 - Working in TV casting and volunteering in film-related organizations
00:19:05 - Mentorship and advice from industry friends
00:23:29 - Significant career moments and booking roles on Law and Order SVU
00:31:18 - Overcoming challenges and staying motivated in the industry
00:35:06 - Auditioning for a play directed by Woody Harrelson
00:43:31 - Developing the short film "First Date" into the feature "Jagged Mind"
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Sleighing It: Let's Make a Christmas Movie
Season 1 · Episode 6
Wednesday, June 25, 2025 • Duration 34:30
(Timestamps are approximate)
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Introduction and Kate's background as a writer, producer, and actor with Chestnut Tree Films and Enchanted Valley Productions.
00:01:12 - Kate discusses her journey from middle school theater to becoming a producer of Christmas movies.
00:02:01 - The importance of pre-production and planning in filmmaking.
00:03:06 - Kate shares her experiences directing and producing films, and the lessons learned from acting.
00:04:02 - The significance of background actors and their impact on a scene.
00:09:05 - Kate's first Christmas movie, "Colorado Christmas," and working with notable actors.
00:12:12 - The importance of pre-production for feature films and understanding deliverables for distribution.
00:14:06 - Budget constraints and creative solutions in independent filmmaking.
00:16:16 - Lessons learned about hair, makeup, and wardrobe on set.
00:18:03 - Filming "A Merry Little Christmas" in seven days and the challenges faced.
00:20:00 - The importance of trust and collaboration on set.
00:22:17 - Kate's love for Christmas movies and the inspiration behind making them.
00:24:41 - The business side of filmmaking and deciding which films to greenlight.
00:26:12 - The importance of film incentives and finding investors.
00:31:00 - Future projects and where to find Kate's work online.
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Winds From the Left
Season 1 · Episode 8
Wednesday, August 27, 2025 • Duration 51:14
In this episode I talk with Anna Birkedahl, a seasoned content producer with a rich background in local news and public broadcasting.
Anna shares her journey from studying opera and working as a classical radio music announcer to becoming a prominent figure in television production.
She discusses the challenges and rewards of working in public broadcasting, the transition to commercial television, and the importance of maintaining authenticity in news reporting.
Anna also reflects on the evolving landscape of journalism, emphasizing the need for dedication to storytelling and the impact of social media on the industry.
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I Call Myself 'The Crusher of Dreams'
Season 1 · Episode 11
Wednesday, November 19, 2025 • Duration 01:01:57
Karen Kizzire joins me for a conversation that starts with college theater memories and ends with real talk about the chaos and creativity of life as an ad agency producer. We talk about what it’s like to lead production at an ad agency, how theater shaped our careers, and why overcommunication is a survival skill. Karen shares stories from set, lessons from mentors, and what it means to be both the “Crusher of Dreams” and the calm in the storm.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Cold opens, Bond girls, and college theater
05:00 – Falling into advertising and falling in love with production
15:00 – Mentorship, first big shoots, and learning to lead
25:00 – Mistakes, over communication, and the producer’s mindset
35:00 – Creative tension, collaboration, and bullhorns on set
45:00 – Budget shifts, iPhone myths, and the house of cards
55:00 – Pottery, parenting, and what inspires Karen today
Key Takeaways:
- “You can never overcommunicate.” Karen learned this the hard way—and now lives by it.
- Theater teaches you how to pivot, collaborate, and think on your feet—skills that still serve her today.
- Being a producer means balancing grace and grit, and sometimes crushing dreams with a smile.
- The job isn’t glamorous, but it’s deeply rewarding when you love the people and the process.
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Never Compromise
Season 1 · Episode 10
Wednesday, October 29, 2025 • Duration 57:29
🎙️ Persistence of Vision: Mitchell Cole on DIY Filmmaking, First Features & Finding Your Voice
Episode Summary
In this episode, I reconnect with filmmaker Mitchell Cole, whose feature debut Against the Spread made waves at the Magnolia Film Festival. We dive into his journey from blue-collar work to indie filmmaking, the lessons learned from building a feature on a shoestring budget, and the importance of authenticity, regional storytelling, and creative resilience. Mitchell shares how he adapted Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice into a Southern-fried comedy, the value of mentorship, and how a chance encounter at a film festival changed everything.
Whether you're a filmmaker just starting out or someone who’s been grinding for years, Mitchell’s story is a reminder that grit, community, and a little bit of luck can go a long way.
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Introduction & Magnolia Film Festival recap
03:00 – Mitchell’s filmmaking origin story
08:30 – From acting to writing/directing
12:45 – Learning film without film school
17:00 – The “mom quote” and staying motivated
22:00 – Writing from regional experience
27:00 – Adapting Shakespeare for the Panhandle
31:00 – Meeting producer Tom Rondinella
37:00 – Lessons from producing Against the Spread
43:00 – Festival experiences and audience turnout
48:00 – Gear, grit, and DIY filmmaking
54:00 – Overcoming wardrobe and football scene challenges
01:01:00 – The next project: horror
01:04:00 – Final thoughts and where to follow Mitchell
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Balancing Work and Passion Projects: Jared discusses the challenges of balancing corporate work with passion projects and the unpredictable yet rewarding nature of filmmaking.
Professionalism and Contracts: Jared shares lessons learned from early freelancing experiences, emphasizing the importance of contracts and professionalism in the industry.
Resources and Links:
Jared Callan's podcast: The Movie Crew Podcast (@moviecrewpod on X)
Jared Callan on Instagram: @checkthegate
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14:08 - 16:11: Dealing with challenges and conflicts on set.
16:11 - 18:19: Learning from experiences and respecting the team.
18:19 - 21:31: The importance of collaboration and respect in filmmaking.
21:31 - 24:14: Handling client relationships and contracts.
24:14 - 26:37: Communication challenges with clients.
26:37 - 29:11: The importance of clear communication and contracts.
29:11 - 32:08: Founding the Desoto Arts Institute and mentoring young filmmakers.
32:08 - 33:02: Conclusion and appreciation.
Key Takeaways:
Robb Rokk transitioned from stills photography and web design to filmmaking, driven by his passion for storytelling and creativity.
Robb emphasizes the importance of mentorship and collaboration in filmmaking, sharing valuable lessons from his experiences on set.
Clear communication and well-defined contracts are crucial when working with clients and collaborators to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts.
Robb's dedication to teaching and mentoring young filmmakers through the Desoto Arts Institute highlights the significance of investing in the next generation of creatives.
10:18 - 11:49: Persistence and lessons learned in film criticism.
11:49 - 12:36: Kevin's writing habits and workflow.
12:36 - 13:57: Creative fulfillment through writing and filmmaking.
13:57 - 15:12: Importance of surrounding yourself with talented people.
15:12 - 16:33: Support from Kevin's fiancée and overcoming writer's block.
16:33 - 18:29: Enjoying the creative process and setting realistic expectations.
18:29 - 19:10: Final thoughts and encouragement for creatives.
19:10 - 20:04: Kevin's plugs and where to find his work.
Key Takeaways:
Kevin Pettit transitioned from the BMX scene to indie filmmaking, driven by his passion for capturing moments and storytelling.
The importance of patience and collaboration on film sets, as well as the camaraderie among filmmakers, were key lessons from Kevin's experiences.
Kevin's journey into film criticism on Substack highlights the value of persistence and creative fulfillment in the competitive world of film and writing.
Surrounding oneself with talented individuals and having a supportive network are crucial for personal and professional growth.
00:50:17 - Writing and receiving notes on "Jagged Mind"
00:54:40 - Directing the short film "The Ghost" and future aspirations
00:57:21 - On-set challenges and lessons learned
00:58:10 - Final thoughts and upcoming projects
Key Takeaways:
Networking and Connections: Allyson emphasizes the importance of networking and making genuine connections at film festivals and industry events. She shares how these connections have led to collaborations and opportunities in her career.
Career Transition: Allyson discusses her journey from acting to writing and filmmaking, highlighting the importance of creating your own work and being adaptable in the industry.
Challenges and Resilience: Throughout the conversation, Allyson shares various challenges she has faced, including auditions, rejections, and the difficulties of working in a competitive industry. She emphasizes the importance of resilience and tenacity.
Directing and Filmmaking: Allyson talks about her experience directing her first short film, "The Ghost," and the lessons she learned from the process. She also discusses her aspirations to continue directing and creating her own work.
