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Pantsuits and Lawsuits with Attorneys General Kris Mayes and Dana Nessel

Attorneys General Kris Mayes & Dana Nessel

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Pantsuits and Lawsuits is a no-holds-barred podcast featuring Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes as they break down the biggest legal and political battles shaping the nation. With sharp wit and deep expertise, these two trailblazing AGs will keep you informed on what’s happening in their offices, how they’re fighting to protect your rights, and what’s at stake in the courts. From democracy and civil rights to corporate accountability, they’ll tackle it all—bringing in expert guests along the way to dig even deeper. Smart, bold, and unapologetically candid—this is the legal commentary you didn’t know you needed.

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Collisions of Power and Protocol at DOJ

Friday, September 26, 2025 • Duration 31:48

Power without guardrails doesn’t just bend the law—it breaks trust. We sit down with former U.S. Attorney Barb McQuade to unpack how federal-state partnerships actually solve complex crimes, and why those partnerships falter when DOJ norms are sidelined by politics and performative “toughness.” From FBI and DEA collaborations that cross borders to the grand jury and charging protocols that keep prosecutions rooted in facts, we walk through the machinery that keeps justice fair—and what happens when leaders try to manipulate our systems to their own advantage.

Barb takes us inside the culture of DOJ: why morale matters, how selective investigations and “name and shame” tactics corrode legitimacy, and what it costs when dockets are flooded with low-complexity immigration cases at the expense of public corruption, cartel, and violent crime work. We get specific on Arizona’s fentanyl pipeline, agent redeployments that weaken strategic cases, and the difference between optics and outcomes. We also examine leadership under pressure, from subpoenas targeting gender-affirming care to universities and hospitals that “obey in advance,” and why institutions must balance legal risk with their own organizational values.

We don’t stop at problems. Together, we outline a path to repair: codify core DOJ norms into durable regulations, restore a real firewall between the White House and federal investigations, reinvest in prevention and complex cases, and demand a Congress that reasserts oversight regardless of party. The through line is simple and urgent—democracy relies on rules, habits, and courage.

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Tomorrow's Cures, Today's Cuts: The Hidden Cost of Health Agency Rollbacks

Season 1 · Episode 15

Friday, September 12, 2025 • Duration 27:27

The dismantling of America's public health infrastructure is happening at breakneck speed, with potentially catastrophic consequences for generations to come. When top CDC scientists walk out in protest, we should all pay attention. That's exactly what we explore in this urgent conversation with Will Humble, Executive Director for the Arizona Public Health Association, who brings decades of public health leadership experience to help us understand what's at stake.

What happens when anti-vaccine ideology drives national health policy? The answer is chilling. Humble breaks down how the gutting of the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices could lead to essential childhood vaccines being dropped from recommended schedules. Since these recommendations determine what's covered by both the Vaccines for Children program (serving over 50% of American children) and private insurance, the result would be widespread vaccine inaccessibility. At $200 per COVID vaccine and similar costs for other immunizations, many families simply couldn't afford to protect their children.

Beyond vaccines, the administration's proposed 40% cut to the National Institutes of Health threatens to collapse the research pipeline that delivers medical breakthroughs. As Humble explains, NIH-funded research on mRNA technology enabled rapid COVID vaccine development and now holds tremendous promise for cancer treatment. Cutting this funding doesn't just delay progress—it drives researchers overseas and creates a scientific brain drain that could take decades to rebuild.

The assault extends to medical education itself, with new loan limits making it financially impossible for many students to become doctors, especially in critically needed primary care fields. Combined with inadequate support for residency programs, these policies will worsen physician shortages, particularly in rural areas where healthcare access is already precarious.

The stakes couldn't be higher. Listen now to understand the full scope of this public health crisis and what we can do to fight back before it's too late. Share this episode with anyone who cares about protecting our nation's health and scientific leadership.

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Human Trafficking: Beyond the Headlines

Season 1 · Episode 14

Friday, August 29, 2025 • Duration 32:58

Award-winning prosecutor Melissa Palepu takes us beyond the headlines to reveal the unsettling reality of human trafficking in America. This eye-opening conversation dismantles widespread misconceptions about what trafficking actually looks like and who it affects.

Forget what you think you know about human trafficking. The "white van abduction" scenario represents just 6% of cases. Instead, traffickers target vulnerable individuals through manipulation and false promises. Even more surprising? Labor trafficking—not sex trafficking—constitutes the largest category worldwide, hiding in plain sight in restaurants, farms, nail salons, and construction sites.

Palepu shares disturbing insights into how traffickers now target children through video games and social media platforms parents may not even recognize. With candid urgency, she emphasizes why open conversations with children about online dangers aren't optional—they're essential protection against predators who have adapted to the digital world.

Current political realities have created additional barriers to fighting trafficking effectively. Increased immigration enforcement has silenced many victims who fear deportation more than their exploiters. Meanwhile, high-profile cases like Epstein's become political footballs while actual victims are forgotten and trafficking networks continue operating with impunity.

For parents, educators, and concerned citizens alike, this episode provides crucial knowledge about trafficking's warning signs and how communities can respond. The prosecution of these cases faces enormous hurdles—from resource limitations to widespread misunderstanding of trafficking dynamics among judges and juries—yet remains essential to disrupting these criminal networks.

Join us to understand why human trafficking continues to flourish despite increased awareness, and what meaningful action looks like beyond hashtags and headlines. Subscribe now to hear more conversations that cut through misinformation and bring expert perspectives on the most pressing legal and social issues of our time.

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End of Summer Lawsuit Roundup: Dozens of Lawsuits and Billions Saved

Season 1 · Episode 13

Thursday, August 14, 2025 • Duration 31:43

AG Mayes and AG Nessel are back from a summer break to take us behind the scenes of their relentless legal battle against what they describe as the most unconstitutional administration in American history. They’ve filed over 25 lawsuits against the Trump administration in just six months, working around the clock to protect their states from illegal trespasses against their residents’ rights and devastating federal funding cuts.

The financial stakes couldn't be higher. Through successful litigation, Michigan has preserved $1.6 billion and Arizona $1.2 billion in federal funding for critical programs including healthcare, education, infrastructure, and public safety. These victories come at a crucial time as both states face potential budget shortfalls from the recently passed "big bill for billionaires" that slashes taxes for corporations and the wealthy while cutting essential services.

The AGs walk us through their most significant wins: preventing the dismantling of AmeriCorps, protecting library funding serving millions of cardholders, saving cancer research and treatment programs, and stopping illegal conditions on roads funding. In many cases, the Trump administration simply abandoned its efforts after initial court defeats rather than pursuing appeals – a pattern the AGs attribute partly to staffing challenges at the Department of Justice, where many experienced attorneys have departed.

Perhaps most alarming is the administration's aggressive data collection efforts. Both AGs express deep concern about federal agencies attempting to "hoover up" massive amounts of personal information from Treasury, IRS, Medicaid, and SNAP programs. This intrusive data gathering crosses partisan lines – as Mayes notes, traditionally Republicans have opposed such "Big Brother" surveillance. The question remains: what happens to all this sensitive personal data, and who controls it?

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The Fight for Public Education: The Critical Battle to Save the Department of Education

Season 1 · Episode 12

Monday, July 7, 2025 • Duration 31:17

When public education comes under attack, who stands in the breach? Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes take us behind the scenes of their critical legal battles to protect students, teachers, and the very institution of public education in America.

Their fight is deeply personal. Nessel shares the story of her son with significant learning disabilities whose life was transformed by a dedicated teacher who continued teaching while battling terminal cancer. "She wasn't ready to die until Zach had finished fifth grade," Nessel recounts. That boy, once considered unlikely to read or write, later graduated from Michigan State with a 4.0 GPA. For Mayes, whose mother and sister both served as public school teachers, these attacks on education compelled her return to politics after a decade-long absence.

The attorneys general detail their successful legal actions to prevent the dismantling of the Department of Education, protect AmeriCorps programs training desperately-needed teachers, and ensure promised ESSER funds reach school districts that had already committed to projects. Their interventions have prevented devastating budget shortfalls for already underfunded schools across America.

NEA President Becky Pringle, drawing on her 31 years teaching middle school science, offers powerful insights into education's connection to democracy itself. "You could follow the trajectory of a society," she explains, noting that falling societies invariably begin by "taking away the right of its citizens to learn." From book bans to curriculum censorship to teacher intimidation, the current climate threatens not just academic achievement but the foundation of democratic participation.

The conversation exposes the false promise that dismantling federal education programs would simply transfer funds to states, pointing to evidence from Arizona where universal voucher programs have diverted billions toward private education while draining public resources. As class sizes grow, special education supports vanish, and teachers face unprecedented pressure, the attorneys general remain committed to their fight for America's educational future.

Subscribe to learn how these legal battles affect every family in America and what's at stake for our democracy itself.

Love Wins: 10 Years of Obergefell v. Hodges - PART 2

Season 1 · Episode 11

Friday, June 20, 2025 • Duration 33:45

A decade ago, two Michigan nurses embarked on a journey that would transform American history – not in hopes of a constitutional revolution, but because they wanted to protect their children.

April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse had been together for 18 years when they first approached attorney Dana Nessel about a seemingly simple problem. As Michigan foster parents raising three children, they faced a legal paradox: the state trusted them to foster children together but prohibited them from jointly adopting. Each parent could only legally adopt specific children, creating a precarious situation where neither had legal rights to all their children.

After surviving a near-fatal car accident, the reality hit them hard – if something happened to either mother, their family could be torn apart by the legal system they trusted to protect them. What began as an adoption rights case unexpectedly pivoted when a federal judge suggested they challenge Michigan's marriage ban instead. This fateful turn transformed their personal struggle into what would become the landmark Supreme Court case legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

April and Jayne invite listeners into the emotional Supreme Court experience – from the sea of supporters outside, to the confusing oral arguments where Justice Kennedy's position remained unclear, to the euphoric moment when they learned they'd won. With remarkable candor, they share how they balanced raising five children while becoming reluctant civil rights pioneers, and how they found courage in looking at "those tiny faces" they were fighting to protect.

As we mark ten years since Obergefell, their story offers both inspiration and warning. While reflecting on how quickly attitudes have changed, these accidental figureheads also express concern about how easily these LGBTQ rights and protections could disappear. Their powerful testimony reminds us that behind every landmark legal decision are real families with everything at stake – and that ordinary citizens stepping up for their children can indeed change history.

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Love Wins: 10 Years of Obergefell v. Hodges - PART 1

Season 1 · Episode 10

Friday, June 6, 2025 • Duration 23:42

Ten years after the landmark Obergefell decision legalized same-sex marriage nationwide, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel takes us behind the scenes of the historic legal battle she personally led. As the attorney who argued Michigan's DeBoer v. Snyder case (later consolidated with Obergefell), Nessel provides a remarkably candid account of what it took to secure marriage equality against overwhelming odds.

Nessel shares deeply personal reflections about what the victory meant, calling the day Obergefell was decided "the best day of my life." Local clerks set up impromptu wedding services for couples who had waited decades to marry legally. Beyond the emotional impact, marriage equality brought economic benefits, increased adoption rates for foster children, and crucial family stability. Nessel's own experience as a parent illustrates how marriage rights transformed everyday life – enabling her wife to legally adopt their children and make medical decisions when their son needed surgery.

This Pride Month conversation also comes with a warning. With Justice Thomas explicitly calling for Obergefell to be reconsidered and unconstitutional marriage bans still on the books in many states, the rights secured in 2015 remain vulnerable. Subscribe to hear part two of this special series featuring an interview with April and Jane themselves – the couple whose fight to protect their family changed America.

Credit: This episode includes excerpts from news segments from the Associated Press, MSNBC, NBC News, WPTV News, WSBT-TV, WXYZ-TV Detroit, KHON2 News, and other clips from Youtube.

The $625 Billion Cut That Could Break America's Healthcare System

Season 1 · Episode 9

Friday, May 23, 2025 • Duration 32:10

The fight for America's health and wellbeing takes center stage as we tackle the most alarming proposals coming from Washington. Attorneys General Dana Nessel and Kris Mayes break down their ongoing legal battles against unconstitutional actions by the Trump administration – revealing why they've each filed over 15 lawsuits (and won most of them).

Our candid conversation explores the real-world consequences of federal budget cuts already taking effect across America. From overflowing toilets at the Grand Canyon to park facility closures at Sleeping Bear Dunes, national treasures are deteriorating before our eyes. Meanwhile, vital nonprofit organizations that feed vulnerable populations face extinction as funding disappears.

The heart of our episode features Georgetown University's Joan Alker, who delivers a masterclass on Medicaid's essential role in American healthcare. As Republicans propose slashing at least $625 billion from Medicaid – the largest cuts in history – Alker explains who stands to lose the most. Did you know Medicaid covers 40% of all births nationally and nearly half of all births in rural communities? Or that it's the primary funder of long-term care for seniors and covers almost half of all children?

We examine how these proposed cuts would devastate rural healthcare systems already struggling with provider shortages and hospital closures. Alker also dissects the problematic "work requirements" some states have tried implementing – revealing shocking statistics about how they've increased bureaucracy while causing thousands to lose coverage.

What makes this episode particularly powerful is the bipartisan concern emerging around these issues. As Nessel notes, people across the political spectrum are showing up at town halls worried about these changes. The message becomes clear: speaking up works, whether through contacting representatives, writing op-eds, or joining local meetings.

Join us for this urgent conversation about protecting the programs that make America healthy. The time to make your voice heard is now.

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You Down with FTC? Yeah You Know Me!

Season 1 · Episode 8

Friday, May 9, 2025 • Duration 30:21

Ever wonder who's fighting for fairness when corporations grow too powerful? Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes pull back the curtain on the world of antitrust enforcement with special guest Lina Khan, the groundbreaking former Chair of the Federal Trade Commission.

This episode of Pantsuits and Lawsuits kicks off with a stark warning: without strong federal support, states like Michigan are left powerless against corporate abuse. AGs Nessel and Mayes join FTC Chair Lina Khan to unpack how weakened consumer protections, corporate mergers, and AI-driven “surveillance pricing” are putting everyday Americans at risk—and what’s being done to fight back.

Throughout the episode, one message resonates clearly: corporate accountability requires vigilant state-federal partnerships that stand firm against powerful interests. As Khan notes, there's growing energy among young lawyers wanting to become "trust busters" - providing hope that the next generation is ready to continue this essential work.

Check our department websites and social media to stay updated on our ongoing efforts to protect consumers from corporate abuses that affect your daily life.

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Reproductive Review: Bodily Autonomy and Your Right to Healthcare

Season 1 · Episode 7

Friday, April 25, 2025 • Duration 31:16

The foundation of reproductive freedom in America continues to crumble beneath our feet, leaving millions without access to essential healthcare. Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel sits down with Alexis McGill Johnson, President and CEO of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, for a sobering exploration of the post-Dobbs landscape.

McGill Johnson reveals the coordinated, multi-pronged attack against reproductive healthcare access happening right now. From Title X funding cuts targeting Planned Parenthood to Supreme Court challenges that could strip Medicaid patients of their provider choices, we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the healthcare infrastructure that millions rely upon. With 22 states now operating under abortion bans, one in three American women of reproductive age lives without access to complete healthcare.

The consequences are both immediate and far-reaching. Doctors are fleeing states with abortion bans, creating dangerous healthcare deserts. Women with pregnancy complications face delayed care until they develop life-threatening sepsis. Young families are making permanent reproductive decisions out of fear.

Join us for this critical conversation about what's at stake and how you can fight back through ballot initiatives, community organizing, and supporting Planned Parenthood's frontline work. Because as McGill Johnson powerfully reminds us: abortion is healthcare, bodily autonomy is essential to freedom, and none of us are truly free until all of us are free.

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