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| Harnessing Data and AI for Legal Industry Innovation | 06 Aug 2025 | 00:47:20 | |
What good is all that data if no one’s using it to take action? In this episode, Evan Shenkman and Jennifer Mendez of Fisher Phillips break down what it really means to build a data-driven culture inside a law firm. They share how their team went from buzzwords to business impact: rolling out viral dashboards, tapping into firm-wide buy-in, and partnering with vendors to co-develop tools powered by GPT-4. Evan and Jenn also get into the limitations of case prediction, what makes a “quick win” actually work, and why firms that obsess over the perfect model are often the ones stuck on the sidelines. Their advice? Start small. Stay close to the business. Build trust through results. Timestamps: (00:00) Intro (02:05) Realizing the power of data (02:29) Early data projects and external data (05:26) Internal data utilization and COVID-19 tracker (11:48) AI in law: early adoption and lessons learned (15:06) Challenges in predictive analytics (17:17) Data collection and management (21:24) Common pitfalls in legal data projects (23:37) Getting started with data in law firms (24:08) Leveraging external data and APIs (26:25) The power of third-party data (27:02) Identifying high-impact projects (28:21) Iterative development and quick wins (32:02) Future of AI in legal practice (38:16) Building AI competency and measuring success Connect with our guests:
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| How Law Firm Leaders Must Act on Data, Not Just Talk About It | 06 Aug 2025 | 00:37:00 | |
You can’t manage what you’re not measuring. In this episode, Robert Sartin, chairman of Frost Brown Todd, shares how his background in economics, finance, and distressed M&A led him to champion a data-forward strategy long before it became industry standard. He talks about why law firms can’t afford to delay their data journeys, what it takes to turn firm-wide strategy into execution, and how he built alignment around change in a partnership environment. Robert also discusses the unexpected power of gamification in building a data culture, and how AI will reshape pricing, talent management, and long-term firm viability.
(00:00) Intro (01:09) From banking and M&A to law firm leadership (04:33) Why Frost Brown Todd leaned into data (07:47) Building a value proposition with data (10:20) Why strategy without data won’t work (13:12) AI’s impact on pricing and firm structure (16:21) Building buy-in inside a law firm (20:29) What Robert would do differently (23:15) Leading cultural change with early wins (25:56) Gamifying historical data entry (28:06) Using data to integrate and grow teams (33:20) The future of Frost Brown Todd (34:44) Advice for law firm leaders just starting Connect with our guest:
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| Introducing Overruled by Data | 02 Jun 2025 | 00:02:28 | |
Overruled by Data is the podcast for law firms looking to accelerate their data journey without all the pain points. Hosted by Tom Baldwin and brought to you by Entegrata, each episode shares real-world stories from law firm leaders who’ve tackled the tough stuff—getting data from all the right places, navigating the AI hype, and scaling operations in a way that doesn’t leave you with a mountain of tech debt. If you're in a leadership role at a law firm, this show offers valuable insights from those who've been there, sharing what works and what to avoid on your data-driven journey. | |||