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Brian Janes - came out after 26 years of marriage, now finding his place in his new community28 Aug 202400:31:33
Summary  

Brian Janes, a successful real estate broker, came out as gay at age 49 after 26 years of marriage. He loved being married and had a strong connection with his wife, but deep down, he had a sexual desire that didn't match up with her. After years of therapy and self-help, his wife eventually told him she wanted a divorce. Brian knew he was gay from a young age but didn't know how to embrace it. He suppressed his true self and lived in fear of being found out. After his divorce, he made the decision to come out and started a podcast for men coming out later in life.  

Keywords:  comingout, marriage, divorce, self-discovery, suppression, fear, loneliness, podcast, outlate, gay, alwaysgay  

Takeaways

Suppressing your true self can lead to frustration and strain in relationships.
Coming out later in life can be a difficult and lonely process.
Embracing your true self can lead to personal growth and a more fulfilling life.
Sharing your story and being vulnerable can help others going through similar experiences.  

Titles

The Journey of Coming Out Later in Life
Embracing Your True Self and Finding Personal Growth  

Sound Bites
"Don't Let Your Wonder Turn Into Closure"
"Here I Am, a Proud Gay Man"
"You're Not Alone, We're All Out Here"  

Chapters (audio)

00:00 Introduction: Brian James' Journey
01:15 The Love and Connection of Marriage
03:11 The Strain and Separation in Divorce
04:09 Suppressing Identity and Fear of Coming Out
08:27 Embracing Authenticity and Self-Discovery
14:13 Coming Out to Ex-Wife and Children
18:12 Starting the Podcast: Coming Inside Out
23:09 Loneliness and Struggles After Coming Out
28:14 Advice for Married Men Struggling with Acceptance
30:31 Conclusion: Forgiving and Loving Yourself  


Chapters (video)

00:00 Introduction and Background
03:04 Suppressing True Self in a Marriage
07:50 The Decision to Come Out
10:43 The Power of Wonder and Curiosity
13:36 Coming Out to Ex-Wife and Children
17:23 Exploring the New World
19:17 Regrets and Self-Kindness
21:2 0Loneliness and Self-Discovery
24:19 Starting the Podcast
27:37 Advice for Married Men Struggling with Acceptance
29:54 Summary and Closing  

Song Lyric Reflection: Ben Platt's "Older." 
Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:    https://youtu.be/n3Iuqhu2K5M 

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg   Certified

Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Ron Bunnell - 39 years into his marriage before he came out to his wife; now living a full life20 Jul 202400:34:14
Summary  

Ron Bunnell shares his journey of coming out as gay later in life and the impact it had on his marriage. Despite initial fears, Ron's wife, Barb, showed love and support, and they were able to rebuild their relationship. Ron emphasizes the importance of being authentic and true to oneself, even if it means facing challenges. He also highlights the significance of finding support from others in similar situations. Ron's story serves as an inspiration for those navigating mixed orientation marriages and coming out later in life.  

Keywords coming out, late in life, marriage, support, authenticity  

Takeaways
  • Coming out later in life can be a challenging journey, but it is worth pursuing authenticity and being true to oneself.
  • Support from loved ones, like Ron's wife Barb, can make a significant difference in navigating the complexities of a mixed orientation marriage.
  • Finding a support group or community of individuals in similar situations can provide valuable guidance and understanding.
  • Ron's story highlights the importance of love, acceptance, and open-mindedness in relationships and families.
Sound Bites
  • "I literally thought my life would end as I knew it"
  • "She wanted me to text her updates on what's going on"
  • "I have young friends who don't even have a coming out story, I'm just myself"
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction: David Cotton's Out Late Podcast
01:13- Ron's Decision to Come Out to His Wife
03:11- Barb's Surprising Reaction and the Rebuilding of Their Relationship
08:27- Challenges and Complications in Ron's Journey 13:43- Ron's Childhood and Early Signs of His Sexual Orientation
17:53- The Social and Cultural Context of Ron's Coming Out Journey
19:19- The Impact of Ron's Sexual Orientation on His Marriage
22:00- Finding Support and Meeting Scott
25:14- The Kidney Donation and Its Impact on Ron and Barb's Relationship
28:36- Barb's Lasting Support and Ron's Advice for Others
33:02- Closing Remarks: Ron's Inspiring Journey  

Book Recommendation:  Over the Cliff: Gay Husbands in Straight Marriages – Bonnie Kaye and Doug Dittmer - https://a.co/d/cMEgHNO  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/ep8EEuvEn1U 

YouTube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Sara Abrams - came out as a trans woman at age 57…now living the life she always wanted14 Nov 202300:27:53
This epidsode released in honor of National Transgender Awareness Week 2023.

Sara Abrams spent most of her life identifying as a man. While she never considered herself a member of the LGBTQ+ community, at age 57, she came out and transitioned from male to female, while remaining in a relationship with her female partner of 28 years.

Book Recommendation: Trans Bodies, Trans Selves: A Resource by and for Transgender Communities https://a.co/d/98A3Ocy

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Dr. Loren Olson - a successful psychiatrist, husband & father, came out at 40 after 18 years of marriage19 Oct 202300:29:35
Dr. Loren Olson is a successful psychiatrist, and a husband and grandfather who came out at age 40 after 18 years of marriage.

He is highly respected in his field, having presented extensive research on mature gay men to the World Congress in Psychiatry.

An award-winning author… he’s most well-known for his book, “Finally Out: Letting Go of Living Straight.”

Book Recommendation: Finally Out: Letting Go of Living Straight by Dr. Loren Olson https://a.co/d/hDUZ4FO

Other Writings By Dr. Olson:
Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Marc Gravallese - came out at 40 with 4 kids and successfully redesigned his family01 Oct 202300:30:18
Marc Gravallese spent much of his life convincing himself that he couldn’t be gay, despite all evidence to the contrary. Married with four kids, he came out to his wife at age 40… and together they successfully redesigned their family. Today he believes that what most men really need… is a good hug.

Book Recommendation: Our Family Outing: A Memoir of Coming Out and Coming Through - https://a.co/d/09DOavT

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Rand Bishop - Grammy nominated artist identifies as bisexual after 3 marriages to women19 Sep 202300:35:24
Rand Bishop is a Grammy nominated songwriter, a musician, a singer, an author and a columnist. He’s neither straight, nor gay. At age 73, after three traditional marriages, he now identifies as bisexual. From his home in Oregon, Rand Bishop is here to share the joys, and challenges of being…bi.

Book Recommendation: Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life - Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life

Rand Bishop’s One Man Show: "Songs, Observations, and Confessions" - https://tinyurl.com/m9vmbt7

Rand Bishop’s book: TREK: My Peace Pilgrimage in Search of a Kinder America - https://a.co/d/6XcfV7i
amBI, a community for bi people, our partners, and allies: https://www.ambi.org/

Amid ‘unicorn hunters’ and sterotypes, here’s how bisexual people are finding support - USA Today via amBi - https://www.ambi.org/pressblog/bisexual-community-helps-break-stereotypes

Gallup Poll: U.S. LGBT Identification Steady at 7.2%; over 58% of LGBT adults identify as bisexual - https://news.gallup.com/poll/470708/lgbt-identification-steady.aspx

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Rich Rumsey - overcame conservative upbringing & proximity to gay hate crime before coming out 20 years later29 Aug 202300:27:56
Rich Rumsey attended the University of Wyoming at the same time as Matthew Shepard, the gay student who was beaten and tragically left for dead near Laramie in 1998. It was a hate crime that shook him to his core. 20 years later…he would come to understand why, when he finally came out as gay to his own wife and children.

Book Recommendation: David Christel’s book, “Married Men Coming Out: The Ultimate Guide to Becoming the Man You Were Born to Be.”

Matthew Shepard: https://www.matthewshepard.org

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Dr. Ginger Campbell - host of podcast Graying Rainbows shares her story and insights from her guests02 Aug 202300:27:42
Dr. Ginger Campbell, host of podcast Graying Rainbows about coming out later in life LGBT, shares her personal story and insights from her guests. She was married for 38 years and came out at age 60. She also has hosted two other podcasts and is in the Podcaster Hall of Fame.

Book Recommendation: https://a.co/d/7Jg9damFrankly My Dear I'm Gay: A Late Bloomers Guide To Coming Out - https://a.co/d/eTryXNj

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com


Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Ryan Redmond - coming out at 49 after two marriages, four children, and two divorces02 Aug 202300:29:12
Ryan Redmond, successful business consultant and business owner, was married, not just once, but twice! After four children, and two divorces, he finally came out at age 49. He is now living with his partner in Salt Lake City.

Book Recommendation: David Christel’s book, Married Men Coming Out: The Ultimate Guide to Becoming the Man You Were Born to Be - https://a.co/d/6F6jabV

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Jonathan Wilson - comes out on live TV, a respected attorney and school board member02 Aug 202300:24:22
Jonathan Wilson has seen the best of people and the worst. A long serving member of the Des Moines, Iowa, School Board and successful attorney, married with kids, he came out publicaly on live TV at age 50. When e tried to run for reelection he received death threats and feared for his life. Hear his story how Jonathan came to understand and accept his sexual orientation, the impact he made on others, how he handled the threats of violence towards his family, and how he turned his life experience into a force for good to help others of all generations.

Book Recommendation: Finally Out: Letting Go of Living Straigh by Dr. Loren Olson - https://a.co/d/4GOJxUv

https://a.co/d/4GOJxUvFIrst Friday Breakfast Club: https://www.ffbciowa.org

The Saggy Baggy Elephant: https://a.co/d/dciIDD5

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com


Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Brian Beaudette - after being married for 20 years he struggled with the impact on his family05 Jun 202400:26:46
Summary

David's guest, Brian, first came out to his wife over 20 years ago but chose to stay married for the sake of his family.   It took ten years for him to decide it was time to live a different kind of life. Today, at age 59 he can finally say he’s “found his tribe.” 

Takeaways
  • The struggle of coming out after being married for 20 years
  • The impact of coming out on family, work, and community
  • Finding a supportive LGBTQ+ community and a sense of belonging
  • The relief of embracing authenticity and self-discovery
Chapters

00:00  The Struggle of Coming Out After 20 Years of Marriage
05:57  Finding Support and Belonging in the LGBTQ+ Community
11:41  Embracing Authenticity and Self-Discovery After Coming Out

Book Recommendation: Gay Men and The New Way Forward, by Raymond L. Rigoglioso - https://a.co/d/7uByFA9

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:    https://youtu.be/X5L6lz_TX64

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com    

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Kristin Kalbli - The Impact of Coming Out on Straight Spouses05 May 202400:40:25
Summary

In this episode, David Cotton interviews Kristin Kalbli, the host of Our Voices podcast and an LGBT ally. Kristin shares her experience as a straight spouse and her mission to help others in similar situations. They discuss the signs that Kristin missed in her marriage, the impact of her husband's coming out on their relationship, and the importance of honesty and communication in the coming out process. Kristin asks David about his own coming out to his spouse. They also talk about the creation of a guide for coming out to straight partners and spouses, and the need for support and understanding for both parties involved.

Takeaways
  • The coming out process can have a significant impact on straight spouses, who may feel betrayed, confused, and humiliated.
  • Honesty and open communication are crucial in the coming out process, both for the LGBT spouse and the straight spouse.
  • Straight spouses may have questions and need time to process the news, and it's important for the LGBT spouse to be patient and understanding.
  • Creating a guide for coming out to straight partners and spouses can help avoid unnecessary pain and damage in the relationship.
  • Support and empathy are essential for both parties involved in a mixed orientation marriage.
Sound Bites
  • "The hardest thing that took me the longest to forgive was not that he was gay, not that he was in the closet, but that he didn't let me go so that I could find a loving relationship with a man who was interested in me, loved me, desired me, wanted to have a robust sexual relationship with me."
  • "If you're in a position to honor what your spouse would like, whether that's answering their questions or giving them no contact for a while, I think following their lead on that is wise."
  • "Pride month can be really difficult for straight spouses. And that's not an indication of bigotry. Many straight spouses have LGBT kids and are fierce allies and defenders of their kids, right? But pride month can be really painful because then you ask yourself the question, well, if he's living his true self now, then I was a part of a lie."
Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background
01:09 Kristin's Experience as a Straight Spouse
09:49 Resources for Straight Spouses
14:11 The Coming Out Process and Its Impact
28:46 Preparing to Come Out to a Straight Spouse
31:31 Supporting the Straight Spouse
35:42 Honesty and Accountability
39:34 Conclusion

Information About Kristin Kalbli and OurPath
Book Recommendation
  • The Other Side of the Closet: The Coming-Out Crisis for Straight Spouses and Families, by Amity Pierce Buxton - https://a.co/d/129LQiC  
Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/vv20ZumingY  

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact David:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Charles Vollmar - successful chef…married with 2 kids; wife discovers he's gay and outed him to everyone12 Apr 202400:34:07
Summary  

Charles Vollmer, a successful California chef, shares his journey of coming out later in life and the challenges he faced. After being outed by his wife, he left his possessions behind and started a new life in San Miguel, Mexico. He is rebuilding his career as a culinary teacher and started sharing his story on social media. Charles discusses the unique challenges faced by men who come out later in life, the impact on their families, and the need for support and understanding. He emphasizes the importance of being true to oneself and finding a community of like-minded individuals.  

Keywords:  coming out, late in life, challenges, rebuilding, support, community  

Takeaways
  • Coming out later in life can be a challenging and traumatic experience, but it can also lead to personal growth and happiness.
  • The impact on family and relationships can be significant, and rebuilding trust and understanding takes time.
  • Finding a supportive community and seeking professional help can be crucial in navigating the complexities of coming out later in life.
  • Being true to oneself and embracing authenticity is essential for personal fulfillment and living a fulfilling life.
  Titles
  • The Importance of Support and Understanding
  • Rebuilding After Coming Out: Finding a New Path
  Sound Bites
  • "Divorcing, giving up my San Francisco Bay home of 30 years and everything in it, donating 99% of my clothing and personal belongings and selling my car. I left for Europe to begin my life over at 61."
Chapters 
  • 00:00  Introduction: Charles Vollmer's Journey
  • 10:38  Starting Over: Rebuilding After Coming Out
  • 25:00  Reflections and Regrets: Lessons Learned
  • 30:59  Advice for Others: Taking Your Time and Finding Support  
About Charles Vollmar
Book Recommendation: Gay Men and The New Way Forward, by Raymond L. Rigoglioso - https://a.co/d/1AROMMu  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/SLJXxU-wUaw 

YouTube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Dan Bolen - at age 70 came out as gay, kicked out of his church and ended his 2nd marriage  08 Mar 202400:30:52
Dan Bolen - at age 70 he came out as gay, was kicked out of his church and ended his second marriage

Summary

Dan Bolen shares his journey of self-discovery and acceptance as a gay man after living a life of denial and fear. He discusses the challenges he faced in a restrictive religious community and the fear of losing his family and friends. Dan's story highlights the importance of being honest with oneself and embracing authenticity. He emphasizes the power of finding a supportive community and having a voice. Dan's memoir and podcast serve as a source of inspiration and empowerment for others on a similar journey.

Takeaways
  • Be honest with yourself and define who you are.
  • Don't look for someone outside of you to define who you are.
  • Finding a supportive community is crucial for self-acceptance.
  • Having a voice and embracing authenticity are empowering.
Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background
01:02 Realizing Difference and Fear of Rejection
03:17 Burying and Denying One's True Self
04:13 Marriage and Denial of Sexuality
05:38 Disfellowshiped and Shunned by the Church
07:30 Accepting Bisexuality as a Coping Mechanism
08:55 Accepting and Embracing Authentic Self 1
0:07 Coming Out and the Lowest Point
11:02 First Experience with a Man and Validation
12:29 Divorce and Finding a New Community
15:17 Defining Self and Having a Voice
24:21 Being Honest with Yourself
27:32 Advice for Those Questioning Their Sexuality
29:06 Reflection and Impact

Dan Bolen's Memoir: The Courage to be Courageous: https://a.co/d/6x7yl0r

Dan Bolen's Website: https://danbolen.com/

Book Recommendation: Daring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We live, Love, Parent, and Lead by Brené Brown. https://a.co/d/ah7pXuT

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/Axp2j_lgVMM

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Larry Best - retired trial lawyer, came out 20 years into his marriage; now living a full life with partner and husband of 20 years16 Feb 202400:32:07
Summary

In this episode David interviews Larry Best, a retired trial lawyer who came out 20 years into his marriage, now living a full life with his partner and husband of 20 years. Their conversation explores the coming out journey of Larry, who shares his unique story of coming out to his business partner and wife. Larry's decision to come out was driven by a combination of personal factors, including the need to be true to himself and the impact it was having on his mental health. The reactions from his business partner and wife varied, with his business partner making a joke and his wife experiencing a range of emotions. Larry's decision to get married was influenced by societal expectations and the belief that he could suppress his attraction to men. However, he eventually realized that he had been living a lie and needed to come out. The process of telling his wife and children was challenging, with mixed reactions from each family member. Larry and his wife initially tried to maintain a co-parenting relationship, but over time, their relationship deteriorated. Larry also faced challenges in his professional life, with some clients distancing themselves after learning about his sexual orientation. However, he eventually transitioned to a successful career as a plaintiff lawyer. Overall, Larry's story highlights the complexities and emotional impact of coming out and navigating relationships and careers. In this conversation, Larry shares his experience of coming out and how it changed his perception of the world. He discusses the importance of joining LGBTQ political and social organizations to connect with the community. Larry also talks about how he found his partner and offers advice for men who are at the beginning of the coming out process. He emphasizes the need for support and understanding for spouses and family members during this time.

Takeaways
  • Coming out is a deeply personal and complex journey, with each individual facing unique challenges and reactions from loved ones.
  • The decision to get married while suppressing one's true sexual orientation can lead to internal conflict and a sense of living a lie.
  • The process of coming out can have a significant emotional impact on spouses and children, with reactions ranging from relief to anger and despair.
  • Supporting loved ones through the coming out process requires patience, understanding, and a willingness to be present and listen.
  • Coming out can have professional implications, with potential challenges in maintaining client relationships and navigating workplace dynamics. Coming out can change one's perception of the world and the people in it.
  • Joining LGBTQ political and social organizations can provide a social network and help in meeting like-minded individuals.
  • Finding a partner after coming out can take time and patience.
  • Support and understanding for spouses and family members are crucial during the coming out process.
Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage
00:20 Unusual Coming Out Story
02:27 Reactions from Business Partner and Wife
03:31 Emotional Impact on Wife
05:45 Supporting Wife Emotionally
06:12 The Decision to Get Married
08:04 Realization of Being Gay
11:22 Fear of Coming Out
18:26 Divorce and Financial Settlement
24:45 Telling the Children
29:44 Reflections on the Coming Out Process
33:34 Impact on Business and Career
41:15 Changing Perception
44:10 Connecting with the LGBTQ Community
45:53 Finding a Partner
51:06 Advice for Men Coming Out
57:09 Supporting Spouses and Family
58:35 Understanding the Wife's Perspective
59:04 Closing Remarks

Larry Best's online memoir: https://medium.com/@laurencebest

Book Recommendation: Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life, edited by Vinnie Kinsella. https://a.co/d/dh3N2yM

Gay Fathers Worldwide: https://gayfathersworldwide.wordpress.com/

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/uLCzcLsxCUo

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Rick Clemons - author, life coach, and host of LIFE (UN)CLOSETED & 40 PLUS…GAY MEN, GAY TALK01 Feb 202400:29:19
Summary

In this episode David interviews Rick Clemons, well-known as the host of the popular podcast “Life (UN)Closeted” as well as “40 Plus: Gay Men, Gay Talk.” He is a sought-after public speaker and a successful life coach. He is also the author of the book “Frankly My Dear I’m Gay: the late bloomers guide to coming out." Rick shares his journey of coming out and helping men come out of the closet. He discusses the challenges of living a dual life and the fear of disappointing loved ones. Rick emphasizes the importance of authenticity and unapologetically being oneself. He also addresses common threads among closeted men and the need to overcome limiting fears. Rick shares his plans for a new book and podcast, focusing on living an unapologetic life. The key takeaway is the power of embracing one's true identity and living authentically.

Takeaways
  • Embrace your true identity and live authentically.
  • Overcome limiting fears and show the world who you really are.
  • Living an unapologetic life is empowering and liberating.
  • Common threads among closeted men include lack of sexual interest, depletion of intimacy in relationships, and co-dependency.
Chapters

00:00 Introduction
00:40 Rick's Life's Work
01:34 Rick's Story: Coming Out
03:00 The Influence of Religious Upbringing
04:27 Living a Dual Life
05:54 The Shift to Authenticity
07:22 The Moment of Falling in Love
09:14 Transactional Sex vs. Intimacy
09:43 Coming Out to Spouse
11:40 Co-Parenting and Balancing Relationships
15:38 Common Threads in Closeted Men
18:57 The Biggest Lie Closeted Men Tell Themselves
20:22 Honesty and Authenticity in Conversations
21:09 Living an Unapologetic Life 23:53 Future Plans: New Book and Podcast
25:48 Message for Men Coming Out Later in Life
27:18 Conclusion

Rick Clemons: https://rickclemons.com/

Book Recommendation: Frankly My Dear, I’m Gay: A Late Bloomers Guide to Coming Out - https://a.co/d/aD2vgKD

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/yL6RVDjZugs

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Shaun Williams - founder of Gay Fathers Worldwide and Bent Couch Counselling04 Jan 202400:37:43
Shaun Williams - founder of Gay Fathers Worldwide and Bent Couch Counselling

Summary
In this episode, David Cotton interviews licensed counselor Shaun Williams; he previously had successful career in construction when he came out as gay after 25 years of marriage. After coming out he changed his career to help others finding their true selves. Shaun shares his experiences growing up in the 80s, discovering his sexuality at a young age, and the weight of keeping his secret. He discusses the impact on his family and the challenges he faced in coming out. Shaun also talks about the creation of Gay Fathers Worldwide, a support group he formed for men who have come out later in life. He emphasizes the importance of finding a safe space and community for support and understanding.

Takeaways
  • Coming out later in life can be a lonely and isolating experience, but finding a safe space and community of others who have had similar experiences can provide support and reassurance.
  • The weight of keeping a secret about one's sexuality can have a significant impact on mental health and well-being.
  • The process of coming out can be challenging and may involve difficult conversations with family members and loved ones.
  • Creating a support group or community for individuals who have come out later in life can provide a valuable resource for connection, understanding, and shared experiences.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:48 Growing Up in the 80s
02:16 Discovering His Sexuality
03:16 Getting Married
04:15 The Weight of the Secret
05:12 Dealing with Guilt and Shame
06:11 Living a Lie
07:11 Finding Purpose in Helping Others
09:06 Impact on Family
11:30 Inspiration from Daughters
12:56 Coming Out and Seeking Help
13:53 The Process of Coming Out
15:19 Creating Gay Fathers Worldwide
19:11 Regrets and Lessons Learned
23:20 Acceptance in the Gay Community
26:27 Late-Life Coming Out Experience
28:25 Creation of Gay Fathers Worldwide
29:21 Common Experiences of Children
31:48 New Life and Career
36:41 Importance of Community
37:37 Conclusion

Bent Couch Counselling: https://www.bentcouch.com.au/

Gay Fathers Worldwide: https://gayfathersworldwide.wordpress.com/

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/C7PJTAcmGT8

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
William Brown - a counselor and author of 'Coming True' came out late & now helping others04 Dec 202300:37:28
William Brown is an author, a licensed professional counselor, and a man who knows firsthand what it’s like to come out later in life. At age forty he told his wife of 18 years, and his children… that he is gay. What he’s learned since—helped him create the definitive “how to” book for coming out later in life.

Book Recommendation: Coming True: Seeking Truth in Self, Later In Life, by today's guest, William Brown. https://a.co/d/6cEM5Jj

Video version of this episode: https://youtu.be/5y_GJsqzcXg

Podcast website and for more resources about coming out LGBTQ+: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
John Duerler - navigating complexities of coming out while creating community for gay fathers12 Nov 202400:28:46
Summary  

In this interview David Cotton speaks with John Duerler who shares his journey of self-discovery as a gay man, navigating the complexities of coming out to his family and the challenges of maintaining relationships. He discusses the importance of being true to oneself, the supportive reactions from his family, and the creation of a community for gay fathers. John emphasizes the significance of open communication and offers advice for others in similar situations, highlighting that they are not alone in their struggles.   Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ, family dynamics, self-discovery, relationships, gay fathers, acceptance, mental health, personal growth, community support   Takeaways  
  • John's journey of self-discovery began in childhood.
  • He dated women for many years before coming out.
  • Family support played a crucial role in his coming out process.
  • John's children reacted positively to his coming out.
  • He emphasizes the importance of therapy in understanding one's identity.
  • John's relationship with his wife remains amicable despite their separation.
  • He created a community for gay fathers to share experiences.
  • John's podcast aims to help others navigate similar journeys.
  • He believes in the power of open communication within families.
  • John encourages others to seek help and support during their journey.
 Sound Bites

"I had to be true to myself."
"I want to come work for you."
"It gets better."
"You're not alone."
"Be true to yourself. Get help."  

Audio Chapters    

00:00 Introduction to Coming Out Journeys
03:00 Early Experiences and Realizations
05:55 Navigating Relationships and Family Dynamics
08:49 The Impact of Family and Support Systems
12:13 Coming Out to Family and Friends
15:10 Creating a Supportive Community
18:02 Reflections on Dating and Relationships
20:46 Advice for Others on Their Journey
24:07 Conclusion and Resources


Book Recommendation:  Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life, edited by Vinnie Kinsella.   https://a.co/d/dh3N2yM  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/0Dx2jCfpzlQ  

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
David Nygaard - divorce, heart attack, bankruptcy…a journey of resilience10 Oct 202400:32:53
In this conversation, David Cotton speaks with David Nygaard about his journey of coming out as gay later in life. They discuss the challenges of recognizing one's identity in a society that often stigmatizes homosexuality, the complexities of navigating relationships and marriage, and the impact of a significant health crisis on Nygaard's life. Nygaard shares his experiences of embracing authenticity, his political aspirations, and the importance of open communication in relationships. The conversation concludes with advice for those in mixed orientation marriages, emphasizing the need for self-acceptance and seeking professional guidance.  David also offers advice for others who may be struggling with their identity and relationships.  

Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ+, self-discovery, relationships, authenticity, heart attack, personal growth, life changes, gay marriage, mental health  

Takeaways  
  • Coming out later in life can be a complex journey.
  • David Nygaard's story reflects the complexities of self-discovery.
  • Growing up, he felt an early attraction to men but lacked the language to express it.
  • He wore a metaphorical mask to hide his true self.
  • His involvement in evangelical Christianity was a way to escape depression.
  • David's marriage was filled with happiness despite his hidden sexuality.
  • The divorce allowed him to explore his identity more freely.
  • He experienced a life-changing heart attack that prompted a reevaluation of his life.
  • Authenticity became a priority after his health crisis.
  • Political activism can be a way to impact the community positively.
  • It's important to seek therapy to navigate mixed orientation marriages.
  • David Cotton emphasizes the importance of dating oneself before seeking a partner.
  • He encourages others to seek therapy to navigate their feelings.
 Sound Bites  
  • "My story reads like a soap opera."
  • "I always had an affinity or an attraction to guys."
  • "We grew up in an age where it was illegal to be gay."
  • "I put on what I'd say is a three foot mask."  
Audio Chapters  

00:00 Awakening to Identity
05:40 Navigating Relationships and Marriage
10:02 Embracing Authenticity Post-Divorce
18:16 Health Crisis and Life Changes
24:32 Political Aspirations and Community Impact
27:55 Building a New Relationship
30:47 Advice for Those in Mixed Orientation Marriages  

Book Recommendation:  “Is My Husband Gay, Straight or Bi?” by Joe Kort. https://a.co/d/0J2egb1  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/4ius0O4Y_8U

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Mark Dembo - the weight of truth…a journey of self-discovery20 Jan 202500:34:56
Summary  

Mark Dembo shares his journey of coming out at the age of 59, reflecting on the challenges and transformations he faced in his relationships, particularly with his wife and children. He discusses the emotional weight of living a life that felt inauthentic and the liberation he felt upon embracing his true self. Mark emphasizes the importance of support from family and community, and the complexities of navigating a mixed-orientation marriage. His story highlights the potential for love and acceptance even in the face of significant life changes. Mark emphasizes the significance of love and understanding in navigating the challenges of coming out later in life, offering insights and advice for others on similar journeys.   Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ, self-discovery, relationships, family dynamics, support groups, acceptance, personal growth, authenticity, mental health  

Takeaways  
  • Coming out later in life can be a complex journey.
  • Self-acceptance often comes with emotional weight.
  • Support from family is crucial during the coming out process.
  • Navigating relationships requires patience and understanding.
  • Community support can provide a sense of belonging.
  • Publicly embracing one's identity can be liberating.
  • It's important to allow space for emotions in relationships.
  • Guilt is a common feeling for those coming out later in life.
  • Maintaining friendships post-separation is possible.
  • Every individual's journey is unique, but shared experiences can help.
Sound Bites  
  • "I was living somebody else's life."
  • "I consider myself so very lucky in who she is."
  • "I want to do whatever I can to help."
  • "You have nothing to feel guilty for."
  • "I recognize that I didn't choose this."
  • "I can't fight that; it's who I am."
Audio Chapters  

00:00 Mark's Journey of Self-Discovery
07:51 The Impact of Coming Out on Relationships
15:45 Navigating Family Dynamics
20:57 Finding Community and Support
26:05 Publicly Embracing Authenticity  


Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/8RrNuddNU-c  

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com  

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
BONUS - Navigating the Journey of Coming Out with hosts of the Out Loud podcast, Jon and Brian07 Jun 202500:22:21
Thank you to Jon & Brian of Out Loud for allowing me to publish this episode from their podcast. You guys are fantastic! I've been a fan since I first discovered you on YouTube! Keep living your life, OUT LOUD!!

Out Loud Podcast with Jon and Brian:

Summary  

In this episode of Out Late With David, David Cotton is a guest on the podcast, Out Loud, while visiting Key West FL. Along with the hosts of Out Loud, Jon and Brian, they discuss the complexities of coming out later in life, the importance of community support, and the dynamics of relationships, especially for older gay men. He shares insights from his experiences and those of his guests, emphasizing the need for authenticity, compassion, and understanding in navigating personal journeys and family dynamics. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced by older men in the dating world and offers advice on how to approach relationships with clarity and openness.  

Keywords  

coming out, LGBTQ, age gap relationships, gay community, life coaching, support, authenticity, family dynamics, relationships, self-discovery  

Takeaways  
  • Coming out later in life can be a complex journey.
  • Community support is crucial for those coming out.
  • Navigating family dynamics requires patience and understanding.
  • Authenticity is key to living a fulfilling life.
  • Older men face unique challenges in dating.
  • It's important to communicate clearly in relationships.
  • Self-acceptance is a vital part of the coming out process.
  • Compartmentalization can hinder personal growth.
  • You can maintain relationships even after coming out.
  • Love can be found unexpectedly, regardless of age.

Sound Bites
  • "Don't rush into coming out."
  • "I couldn't continue living a lie."
  • "You have to accept who you are."
  • "I feel transparent many times."

Audio Chapters  

00:00  Introduction to Out Late with David
01:06  Coming Out Later in Life
04:05  The Role of Community and Support
07:54  Navigating Relationships and Family Dynamics
12:09  The Impact of Age and Experience
15:54  Living Authentically and Finding Peace
18:45  Advice for Older Men in Dating  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:   https://youtu.be/YOGFb9CWCjw  

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com  
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Wayne Scott - Redefining Marriage: A Journey Through Non-Monogamy30 Mar 202500:31:51
Summary  

In this conversation, Wayne Scott shares his journey through a mixed orientation marriage, detailing the challenges and transformations he and his wife faced. They navigated the complexities of identity, love, and commitment, ultimately redefining their relationship through non-monogamy. Wayne emphasizes the importance of communication, patience, and the willingness to adapt as individuals grow over time. His story serves as a testament to the possibility of creating a fulfilling partnership that honors both personal and shared desires.  

Keywords  

mixed orientation marriage, non-monogamy, relationships, LGBTQ+, marriage advice, communication, love story, personal growth, therapy, bisexuality, coming out, LGBTQ+  

Takeaways  
  • Mixed orientation marriages can thrive without ending in divorce.
  • Communication is key in navigating relationship challenges.
  • Non-monogamy can be a viable option for some couples.
  • Patience is essential when exploring new relationship dynamics.
  • It's important to redefine what marriage means to you.
  • Love can persist through difficult transitions in a relationship.
  • Couples can create their own rules for their relationship.
  • Support from a therapist can facilitate difficult conversations.
  • Children can adapt to their parents' non-traditional relationships.
  • Personal growth is a continuous journey within a marriage.
Sound Bites  
  • "It doesn't always end in divorce."
  • "A new idea turned his marriage into a love story."
  • "Your marriage can be whatever you want it to be."
  • "It's okay to take a couple years to figure it out."
  • "It can be whatever you want it to be."
  • "They chose to break the rules and norms of society."
Audio Chapters  

00:00 Navigating Mixed Orientation Marriages
09:50 The Shift to Non-Monogamy
20:01 Lessons Learned from Non-Traditional Relationships  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:    https://youtu.be/wHFdiTkYoYk  

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com  

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.  
Stefan Schneider - building the modern family06 Mar 202500:34:53
In this episode of Out Late with David, Stefan Schneider shares his journey of coming out as gay, navigating relationships, and building a modern family. He reflects on the challenges of coming out in the early 90s, the impact of his sexuality on his marriage, and the emotional turmoil of divorce. Through self-discovery and therapy, Stefan learns to embrace his identity and finds happiness in his new life with his husband and blended family. The conversation highlights the importance of authenticity, communication, and the complexities of family dynamics in the LGBTQ+ community.   

Takeaways  
  • Coming out is a complex process that varies for everyone.
  • The societal context during the early 90s made coming out challenging.
  • Authenticity in relationships can create both closeness and tension.
  • Divorce can be a painful but necessary step towards self-acceptance.
  • Rebuilding relationships with children requires patience and love.
  • Self-discovery often involves confronting difficult truths about oneself.
  • Having a clear vision of what you want in a partner can guide your choices.
  • The journey to happiness is not linear and requires effort.
  • Childhood experiences can shape one's understanding of identity.
  • Creating a supportive environment for children is crucial during transitions.
Sound Bites  
  • "I just wanted to fit in and be normal."
  • "The only way out is through sometimes."
  • "I always wanted to be a dad."
  • "I had to sacrifice something of myself."
  • "I felt like I had split up my family."
  • "We met on Christian Mingle."  

Chapters  

00:00 Navigating Identity and Relationships
15:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery
30:00 Building a Blended Family
33:48 Reflections on Happiness and Authenticity  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/YGWJGVhw2s8

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com  

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.
Wendy Cole - "Gender is Between the Ears, and Not the Legs"15 Jun 202500:43:13
Summary  

At age 67, Wendy Cole transitioned from male to female after a lifetime of hiding her true identity. In this candid conversation, Wendy shares the emotional cost of repression, her turning point in 2014, and how she found joy, health, and purpose by finally embracing who she is. Now a mentor and advocate, Wendy is helping others navigate their own gender journeys and working to humanize what it means to be transgender.  

Keywords  

transgender, coming out, identity, support, mental health, community, authenticity, transition, LGBTQ+, personal growth  

Takeaways  
  • Wendy transitioned male to female at age 67.
  • She felt a lifelong sense of not belonging.
  • Gender identity is formed in the brain during the second trimester.
  • Wendy faced significant societal and familial pressure to conform.
  • She repressed her identity for decades due to fear and shame.
  • The DSM's classification of LGBTQ+ identities has evolved over time.
  • Wendy found support and community later in life.
  • She emphasizes the importance of living authentically.
  • Wendy's mission is to educate others about transgender experiences.
  • It's never too late to pursue one's true identity.
Sound Bites  
  • "I was punished for breaking my glasses."
  • "I was taken to a psychiatrist."
  • "I was threatened with being committed."
  • "I couldn't take it anymore."
  • "I was doing this out of survival."
  • "I was pretty much on my own."
  • "I was going to do this for me."
  • "It's never too late to take charge."
Audio Chapters  

00:00  Wendy's Journey of Self-Discovery
11:58  The Struggles of Repression and Acceptance
22:15  Transitioning and Finding Community
32:29  Living Authentically and Educating Others  

More About Wendy Cole:   

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:    https://youtu.be/eU5v97dHNIs 

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact David: 


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Bill Schroeder - Living Authentically at 6004 Aug 202500:26:38
Summary  

In this episode of Out Late with David, Bill Schroeder shares his transformative journey of coming out as a gay man at the age of 60 after 37 years of marriage. He reflects on the feelings of fear and authenticity that led him to finally embrace his true self. Bill discusses the emotional challenges he faced, the reactions of his family, and the importance of self-discovery. He emphasizes that it's never too late to live authentically and offers advice for others who may be struggling with their identity.   Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ, authenticity, self-discovery, family dynamics, life coaching, personal growth, emotional journey, gay men, late life coming out  

Takeaways  
  • Turning 60 was a pivotal moment for Bill.
  • He felt his life was fake before coming out.
  • Fear of losing family and friends kept him in the closet.
  • Bill's camping trip was a time for deep reflection.
  • His ex-wife's support was crucial for his journey.
  • Family reactions varied, with his daughter initially upset.
  • Bill's son took time to accept his father's new identity.
  • He found a sense of belonging in the LGBTQ community.
  • Authenticity has brought him peace and happiness.
  • Bill encourages others to take baby steps in their journey.
 Sound Bites  

"I wanted to feel more authentic."
"I could have done this 10 years ago."
"Fear kept me in the closet for years."  

Chapters  
00:00 A Turning Point at 60
12:40 The Journey of Coming Out
19:55 Authenticity and Self-Discovery
22:09 Advice for Others in the Closet  

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com  

YouTube Edition:  https://youtu.be/9TEPfX13JB8  

YouTube Channel:   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg  

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton:  https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com  

Contact me:  mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com
https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com
https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com https://linktr.ee/davidacotton  

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Kami Hunley-Jackson - Faith, Family & Findings: The Complex Journey of Coming Out05 Jul 202500:29:25
Summary  

In this conversation with David, LGBTQ+ ally and researcher Kami Hunley-Jackson, who shares her personal journey and research on the coming out process, particularly focusing on the experiences of LGBTQ+ individuals and their families. The former Latter Day Saint is the mother of two LGBTQ+ children and sister to her gay brother. She discusses the challenges faced by families, the impact of religion, and the importance of communication and support systems. Kami emphasizes the need for understanding and acceptance, both for those coming out and their loved ones, and highlights the mental health implications of the coming out journey. The conversation also touches on the evolving nature of religious acceptance and the importance of creating safe spaces for dialogue.   Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ+, acceptance, mental health, family support, religion, communication, research, personal stories, allyship  

Takeaways  
  • Kami's personal experiences with her children and brother shaped her understanding of the coming out process.
  • The decision between religious beliefs and family acceptance can be a painful conflict for parents.
  • Supportive communities, like Mama Dragons, provide essential resources for families of LGBTQ+ individuals.
  • The theater community often offers a more accepting environment for LGBTQ+ individuals.
  • Kami's research revealed that non-religious individuals tend to communicate better during the coming out process.
  • Mental health issues, including suicidal ideation, were prevalent among the study participants.
  • Self-acceptance is a crucial step in the coming out journey, often requiring individuals to confront their identity.
  • The coming out process is deeply personal and should be respected as such by family members.
  • Creating a safe space for communication is vital for both the individual coming out and their loved ones.
  • Religious institutions are evolving, with some becoming more inclusive of LGBTQ+ individuals.
Sound Bites  
  • "I realized that I needed to search my own heart."
  • "The love of a mother over the situation."
  • "I acted differently this time around."  
Audio Chapters  

00:00 Understanding the Importance of Coming Out
02:36 Personal Journeys: Family and Acceptance 05:25 The Role of Religion in Coming Out
08:35 Research Insights: Communication and Relationships
11:13 Mental Health and the Coming Out Process
14:05 Support Systems and Resources
16:48 Advice for Families and Individuals
19:51 Looking Ahead: Future Research Directions  

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Mark D’Agostino: I’m Not Starting Over, I’m Becoming03 Feb 202600:31:50
A retired Army officer and father comes out at 67, choosing authenticity, love, and a fuller life — as himself.  

In this episode of Out Late With David, Mark D’Agostino, a retired U.S. Army officer and father of three, shares his powerful coming-out story at age 67. After a 43-year marriage and a military career shaped by duty and silence, Mark chose to stop surviving and start becoming. He reflects on family, love, reinvention, and the profound relief that came with finally living authentically — not starting over, but becoming fully himself.

Takeaways  
  • It’s never too late to come out.
  • Living in alignment feels like a weight lifted.
  • Family acceptance often exceeds our fears.
  • Reinvention doesn’t mean erasing the past.
  • Choosing yourself expands your world, not shrinks it.
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Greg R. Baird: When Your Story Saves a Life09 Jan 202600:38:33
In this powerful and heartfelt conversation, LGBTQ+ civil rights advocate and global lecturer Greg R. Baird sits down with David in Palm Springs to share his journey from growing up closeted in a small Michigan town to becoming a respected educator, storyteller, and champion for allyship. Greg opens up about coming out at 31, navigating painful family rejection, and the moments that shaped his calling—including a life-changing encounter with a student who credits his story with saving her life. Together, David and Greg explore the transformative power of storytelling, finding community after coming out, and learning to live with courage, connection, and authenticity at any age. This episode offers wisdom, warmth, and hope for anyone on their journey of self-acceptance and belonging.  

Takeaways & Sound Bites  
  • Growing up in a small, religious town made coming out feel impossible, but college provided Greg the first space where he could blossom and explore who he truly was.  
  • Early advocacy began unintentionally, as Greg and his first boyfriend spoke to college classes about being gay—long before he saw himself as an activist.  
  • Family responses to coming out were painful and complicated, but over time, Greg found peace through patience, education, and accepting what could not be changed.  
  • Parents’ understanding is shaped by what they know, and sometimes by those influencing them; change, when it comes, can be slow and surprising.  
  • You can’t change your parents—only yourself. Greg emphasizes honoring your truth, your energy, and your value, regardless of others’ acceptance.  
  • Storytelling is a transformative tool that can change hearts, minds, and even policy by revealing the humanity behind the issues.  
  • A life-changing moment with a suicidal student affirmed Greg’s calling to become a global lecturer—proof that sharing your story can save lives.  
  • Coming out may not happen overnight, and each person must move at their own pace and readiness. There is no “right” timeline.  
  • Finding community after coming out takes intention, whether through shared activities, meetups, support groups, hobbies, or interest-based circles.  
  • Real connection requires stepping beyond apps and screens, leaning into face-to-face interactions that build genuine friendships.  
  • Introverts, extroverts, and everyone in between can find their place—community can look like wine groups, sports leagues, sober spaces, Disney meetups, or coffee chats.  
  • Self-acceptance is foundational; be patient with yourself and trust that your personality, confidence, and comfort in community will grow over time.  
  • We need connection now more than ever, especially in a challenging social climate—putting yourself out there, even gently, opens emotional doors you never expected.  
  • Letting people in, rather than “coming out,” can be a more compassionate and empowering way to frame revealing your authentic self.  
  • You are not alone, and hearing stories like Greg’s or those on Out Late With David can provide life-saving hope, community, and belonging.  

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Charlie Vollmar - From Outed to Reborn: Chef Charlie’s New Chapter30 Nov 202500:41:10
Summary

In this powerful follow-up conversation, David talks with Chef Charlie Vollmar on his return to Out Late With David to share how his life has transformed since his first interview 18 months ago. Speaking from Palm Springs, Charlie updates listeners on his reinvention in San Miguel de Allende—rebuilding his life after being outed, creating a new chosen family, relaunching his culinary school, and deepening his work in cultural exchange and philanthropy. With his signature radical vulnerability, he reflects on personal growth, identity, male connection, creativity, and purpose, all while offering honest guidance for others navigating late-in-life coming out journeys. This uplifting episode highlights resilience, authenticity, and the joy of discovering life on the other side of trauma. 

Keywords

#ComingOutLater #GayMen #LGBTQStories #AuthenticLiving #ChosenFamily #ChefCharlieVollmar #SanMiguelDeAllende #PalmSpringsLGBTQ #CulinaryJourneys #GayExpatLife #Self-discovery #Authenticity

Takeaways

• Reinvention at any age is possible.
• Authenticity transforms everything.
• Mexico sparked Charlie’s creative and personal rebirth.
• Chosen family brings deep healing and joy.
• Radical vulnerability can save lives—your own and others’.
• Letting go is often the first step to moving forward.
• There is hope and purpose on the other side of trauma.
• Male connection—emotional, social, spiritual—can be profoundly healing.

Sound Bites

1.  “I didn’t just come out—I became someone I never knew I was allowed to be.”
2.  “Mexico didn’t just give me a new home. It gave me a new mind, a new heart, and a new life.”
3.  “Radical vulnerability wasn’t a choice—it was the door that saved me.”
4.  “At 60, I thought my story was over. It turns out it was only just beginning.”
5.  “I left with two carry-ons, a red backpack, a laptop, and a cup of coffee—and rebuilt everything from nothing.”
6.  “My chosen family filled a space in my heart I didn’t even know was empty.”
7.  “I wake up every day now with one thought: I can’t wait to see who I become today.”
8.  “Authenticity isn’t a destination—it changes every hour with the people you meet and the life you live.”
9.  “There is so much life waiting for us on the other side of trauma. Hold on. There’s always another side.”
10.  “Teaching isn’t my job—it’s my purpose. It’s the gift I get to give away every day.”

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Connecting with Chef Charlie

Chef Charles Vollmar
Epicurean Exchange Culinary Education
Aparicio 25, #5, Zona Centro
San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, México

WhatsApp: +1 925-369-4181
Email: charlie@epicureanexchange.com

Websites:

Education: www.epicureanexchange.com
Travel: www.epexculinarytravel.com
Blog: www.epicureanglobalexchange.com

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  • Charles Vollmar
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Threads: @charlesvollmar

Instagram: @charlesvollmar & @epexculinarytravel

Bluesky: @carlitosv.bsky.social

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Kevin O'Connor - out at 55 after two marriages01 Oct 202500:37:44
Summary  

Kevin O'Connor shares his profound journey of self-discovery, coming out at 55 after two marriages and raising children. He reflects on his childhood experiences, the struggles of acceptance, and the complexities of navigating relationships. Through candid discussions, he reveals the challenges of living authentically and the joy of finding love with his husband after years of hiding his true self. Kevin emphasizes the importance of embracing one's identity and the lessons learned throughout his life.  

Keywords  

coming out, LGBTQ, self-acceptance, relationships, marriage, personal journey, authenticity, love, family, memoir  

Takeaways  
  • Kevin came out at 55 after two marriages.
  • He struggled with acceptance from a young age.
  • His childhood experiences shaped his understanding of identity.
  • Navigating relationships was complex due to his hidden sexuality.
  • He found love with his husband after years of self-discovery.
  • Kevin emphasizes the importance of authenticity in life.
  • He reflects on the challenges of being a gay educator.
  • His journey highlights the significance of family support.
  • Kevin's story serves as an inspiration for others in similar situations.
  • He believes in the power of sharing one's story to help others.
Chapters  

00:00 Kevin O'Connor's Journey of Self-Discovery
02:56 Navigating Early Life and Identity
05:34 College Experiences and Hidden Truths
08:02 Marriage and the Struggle with Identity
10:19 The Complexity of Relationships
11:29 Fatherhood and Compartmentalization
14:11 The Breaking Point of Authenticity
20:41 Embracing Authenticity: The Journey of Coming Out
24:11 Finding Love: The Role of Timing and Connection
29:40 Family Dynamics: Coming Out to Loved Ones
32:46 Reflections on Life: Lessons Learned and Moving Forward
37:05 Closing  

Book Recommendation: 

Journey Out: Memoirs of men coming to grips with their orientation, by Gene Probasco
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David Cotton: It’s Never Too Late. My Coming Out Story on The Better Man Podcast06 Mar 202601:05:43
In this special crossover episode of Out Late With David, David shares his personal coming out story as a guest on The Better Man Podcast with Dean Pohlman, founder of ManFlow Yoga. Together, they explore what it means to choose authenticity later in life, the courage required to rewrite your story, and why it is never too late to live more honestly. If you’ve ever questioned parts of your identity, faced a major life transition, or wondered whether change is still possible, this conversation offers reflection, insight, and hope.

The Better Man Podcast: https://manflowyoga.com/podcast/

Man Flow Yoga: https://manflowyoga.com/

Takeaways  
  • It’s never actually “too late” to come out or live authentically.
  • Authenticity often requires courageous change.
  • Many people carry questions about their identity for years before acting on them.
  • You don’t have to “come out” to everyone — you can simply let people into your life.
  • Cultural and subconscious homophobia can delay self-acceptance.
  • Coming out impacts more than just the person doing it.
  • Accepting yourself changes how you show up in the world.
  • Personal growth requires effort and discomfort — much like physical training.
Sound Bites  
  • “Coming out later in life isn’t about becoming someone new — it’s about finally allowing yourself to be who you’ve always been.”
  • “Authenticity may disrupt your life for a while, but living a lie disrupts your life forever.”
  • “It’s not about coming out to the world — it’s about letting people into your real life.”

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