In this powerful and deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with one of their closest friends of over 23 years, Drew Worsham — illusionist, author of The Magic of Curiosity, pastor, and trusted confidant.
This conversation is far more than a reunion. Drew has walked with Jeff and Jourdan since the very beginning of their story — through dating, breakups, Jeff’s early confession of struggling with same-sex attraction, their engagement, and now decades of marriage and ministry. Few people have had such a front-row seat to their journey.
Together, they unpack:
• What it looked like for Jeff to first share his struggle with Drew
• How a friendship can remain steady, safe, and non-transactional in the face of vulnerability
• Why curiosity — not condemnation — creates space for transformation
• How the Church can better engage conversations around same-sex attraction
• What to say to someone who hates themselves for their struggle
• The difference between leading with conviction and leading with love
• Why obedience is a response to love — not a prerequisite for it
Drew shares how curiosity became a guiding compass in his life — from studying psychology, to performing as a magician, to planting a church, to rediscovering humility after becoming the “expert.” He explains how losing curiosity nearly cost him relational depth — and how reclaiming it reshaped his marriage, ministry, and friendships.
One of the most moving moments comes as Drew reflects on Jesus and the woman caught in adultery — reminding listeners that God is not thrown off by our brokenness. He does not lead with condemnation. He leads with love, and invites us into transformation from there.