On The Move – Details, episodes & analysis

Joe sits down with Max Morin, a reining horse trainer based in Aubrey, Texas, who’s built a name for himself developing top-tier 2-year-old prospects. Originally from France, Max’s love for horses started young—even when he had to learn from horsemanship videos in a language he barely understood. He shares how he made it to the U.S., landed a job with legendary trainer John Lyons, and eventually carved out a place of his own in the performance horse world.

Max opens up about his journey, the mentors who shaped his horsemanship—like John & Josh Lyons and Nick Dowers—and how he’s now focused on blending strong fundamentals with elite performance. It’s a story of grit, passion, and the pursuit of excellence in and out of the arena.

Cole Cameron is a horseman, clinician, and competitor from Bluff Dale, TX. In this episode of On the Move, Ben sits down with Cole to discuss his journey in horsemanship, from personal experiences and career-defining moments to the evolving landscape of clinics and expos. They dive into the challenges of teaching, the importance of financial literacy for trainers, and the realities of balancing family life with a demanding career. As a past Road to the Horse competitor, Cole shares his insights on the event, reflecting on his experience in the competition and its impact on the industry.

Nevada Miller is a talented silversmith, jeweler, and founder of the Be A Maker School. Raised in California, Nevada grew up immersed in entrepreneurship and craftsmanship, learning valuable lessons from her parents that shaped her work ethic and dedication.

Nevada shares how her upbringing influenced her journey as an artist and entrepreneur, inspiring her to create the Be A Maker School—a platform where students can learn directly from skilled craftspeople in fields like saddle making, rawhide braiding, leatherworking, and jewelry making. She also reflects on her experience adapting to life in a small, rural town in southern Nevada as a young woman fresh out of college.

Tina Butler is an equine physio who has worked all over the world with FEI equine athletes.  Tina has had a number of accomplishments in her career, including being the physio for the 2008 American Show Jumping Team that won the gold medal at the Beijing Olympics.  Ben and Joe discuss massage therapy, equine nutrition, and much more.

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Joe Wolter is a well known horseman and clinician. Joe was born and raised in California and grew up around horses. He went on to work for Ray Hunt, learn from Tom And Bill Dorrance and work for the 6666 ranch in Texas. Ben and Joe discuss horse showing, cattle dogs and how your attitude affects the stock you’re working with.

Natalie Murphy is a singer, song writer and musician located in Nashville, TN.  Natalie has also been an avid horse enthusiast from a young age and continues her horsemanship journey along side her husband and children.  Ben and Joe enjoy a conversation about music, horses and overcoming self doubt.

Look up Natalie Murphy on Spotify and other music platforms to find her music, including her new single Proving Me Wrong.

John Saint Ryan is a British actor turned horseman.  Brought to the states in pursuit of a career in film, John met Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance.  The teachings of Ray and Tom had a profound impact on John, who is now a trainer and clinician based in Southern California.   Ben and Joe sit down with John to discuss accents, martial arts, horsemanship, and much more.

Cliff Williamson has spent the last 7 years as the Director of Health and Regulatory Affairs for the American Horse Counsel.  Ben and Joe sit down to discuss some of the most prevalent issues affecting the American horse industry today.  Topics discussed include thoroughbred racing, Tennessee walking horses, and how everyday horse enthusiasts can help have an impact on federal policy.   To find out more about the American Horse Council visit horsecouncil.org

Cary Schwarz is an artist and saddle maker who has been in leather working for the past 45 years. Cary is known for his saddle making and role within the Traditional Cowboy Arts Association. Cary continues to make saddles and teach others to improve their craftsmanship.  Topics discussed include how to encourage learning, what it means to be an artist and how saddle making has evolved over the course of the last 40 years.

Ben and Joe sit down for a conversation about success, failure and gratitude.  Topics discussed include being process oriented, academics, practitioners, learning how to succeed and the importance of peers.  Hope you enjoy this fun conversation as we all reflect on what we have to be thankful for during this holiday season.