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Host: Dave Trafford

The C.A.S.T.: Bob Reid (Broadway Strategy and Communications), Anne Marie Aikins (AMA Communications), Lindsay Broadhead (Broadhead Communications)

This week on Now and Next, the CAST — our communications and strategy team — breaks down the stories when communications wasn’t background noise… it was the headline.

We begin with the response to the Tumbler Ridge school shooting and examine what effective crisis communications looks like in real time. From Premier David Eby’s remarks to the image of federal leaders standing together, we explore tone, humility, and whether political adversaries can momentarily transcend partisanship.

Then: Metrolinx. A derailment at Union Station caused system-wide disruption — but the bigger issue was transparency. Why did it take so long to explain what happened? And what role should a CEO play in moments of operational consequence?

Finally, we unpack a viral parliamentary exchange between Canada Infrastructure Bank CEO Aaron Corey and MP Sandra Cobena. Was refusing to “give the clip” smart strategy — or a communications misfire?

As always, we focus on the intersection of leadership, strategy, and the stories behind the story.
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⏱ Chapters
00:00 – Introduction: A Week Where Comms Led the Headlines
01:28 – Tumbler Ridge: Crisis Leadership, Tone, and Media Framing
13:56 – Message vs. Messenger: Carney, Poilievre & Political Pivot Points
29:58 – Metrolinx Derailment: Transparency, CEO Visibility & Operational Comms
42:41 – Ottawa Theatre: Canada Infrastructure Bank & “Giving the Clip”

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This WEEK: On the Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast It's Healthcare vs. Education: Inside Ontario’s Budget Fight Over Spending and Student Loans.

Host: Dave Trafford
Roundtable: Former Ontario Premier, the Honourable Kathleen Wynne, Partner at Counsel Public Affairs and Former Ontario PC Party Leader, the Honourable Tim Hudak, Veteran Queen's Park Political Analyst Keith Leslie and Canada Pulse Insights CEO John Wright.

Ontario is staring down a hard truth: healthcare spending has surged past $90 billion — and the finance minister says it’s “unsustainable.” But what does that actually mean for the upcoming provincial budget?

In this episode of On the Ledge, we unpack the warning shot fired in a Mississauga speech that took a month to gain traction. Is this about fiscal discipline? Demographic reality? Or political positioning ahead of tough choices?

Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, Keith Leslie and John Wright debate the real pressures: aging demographics, federal transfer gaps, private delivery vs. public funding, and whether Ontario has the political courage to reset the system.

Then we pivot to OSAP changes and tuition policy. Are cuts to student assistance fiscally necessary — or economically shortsighted? And what does this mean for lower-income students, STEM priorities, and Ontario’s long-term workforce?

Plus: Premier Ford’s retail remarks after Family Day — strategic instinct or message drift?

Healthcare. Education. Sustainability. Political capital.

This isn’t just a budget conversation — it’s a crossroads moment.

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Chapters
00:00 – Introduction & Panel Setup
02:00 – Healthcare Spending “Unsustainable”: What Does It Mean?
16:40 – Revenue, Federal Transfers & Private Delivery Debate
36:05 – Premier Ford’s Retail Comments & Political Messaging
39:00 – OSAP Cuts, Tuition Increases & Economic Consequences

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This week's edition of On The Ledge – Your Ontario Politics Podcast, Dave Trafford is joined by John Wright (CEO, Canada Pulse Insights), Keith Leslie (Political Analyst, CHCH), Tim Hudak (Partner, Counsel Public Affairs; former Ontario PC Leader), and Kathleen Wynne (Former Premier of Ontario) for a wide-ranging and deeply serious discussion.

We begin with the tragic mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia. What happens to a small community when nine lives are lost? The panel examines trauma, media responsibility, RCMP communication failures, misinformation online, and the difficult but necessary conversations around mental health and guns.

From there, we turn to Ontario. Allegations of police corruption in Toronto and Peel have triggered oversight questions across the province. Is a broader review justified — or overreach?

We also unpack Donald Trump’s comments about the Gordie Howe International Bridge and what they signal about Canada–U.S. relations.

And finally: does Ontario need a public inquiry into the Eglinton Crosstown LRT delays and billions in cost overruns?

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Chapters
00:00 – Introduction
Opening remarks and setting the agenda.
00:48 – Tumbler Ridge Tragedy
Community trauma, media coverage, RCMP communication gaps, and mental health & gun policy questions.
25:20 – Police Corruption & Oversight in Ontario
Toronto and Peel allegations; debate over a province-wide Inspector General review.
34:50 – Trump, Trade & the Gordie Howe Bridge
Canada–U.S. tensions and the politics of cross-border infrastructure.
47:20 – Crosstown LRT: Inquiry or Overreach?
Cost overruns, P3 procurement, Metrolinx accountability, and whether a public inquiry is warranted.




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HERE'S AN ADDED BONUS FOR ALL YOU ON THE LEDGE LISTENERS! 
I'm adding this week's edition of NOW&NEXT to the OTL feed
BTW: We have nearly 400 episodes of NOW&NEXT and you can find them all here.

Enjoy!

This episode of *Now and Next* brings the C.A.S.T. (Comms And Strategy Team) back together for a wide-ranging discussion on leadership, political tone, and credibility in a rapidly shifting media environment.

The conversation opens with an in-depth analysis of Prime Minister Mark Carney’s Davos speech and why it continues to resonate weeks later. Panelists explore how the speech marked a clear pivot in Canada’s global posture and aligned closely with current public attitudes, as reflected in recent polling.

From there, the discussion turns to how Carney’s approach reshaped expectations for opposition leaders—particularly Pierre Poilievre—and how his Calgary speech signaled a tonal adjustment toward optimism and hope. The panel examines the emerging contrast between “global leadership” and “kitchen-table politics,” debating whether Carney can translate high-level strategy into tangible, day-to-day outcomes for Canadians.

The episode closes with a sobering look at misinformation and deepfakes, sparked by a viral but fake video attributed to Warren Buffett. The panel considers the implications for political communications, public trust, and the growing difficulty of distinguishing authenticity from manipulation in what some are calling a “post-news” era. 


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Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne (Former Premier of Ontario), Keith Leslie (Political Analyst), John Wright (CEO, Canada Pulse Insights)

This episode of On the Ledge focuses on the future of Ontario’s auto sector amid shifting federal policy, global trade uncertainty, and evolving consumer demand. 

The panel examines Prime Minister Mark Carney’s decision to move away from rigid EV mandates while incentivizing hybrids and electric vehicles, debating whether the strategy goes far enough to protect Ontario manufacturing jobs.

The discussion highlights infrastructure gaps, affordability challenges, and the vulnerability of Canada’s auto supply chain as U.S. policy under Donald Trump disrupts long-standing trade assumptions.

The conversation broadens to Canada’s political moment, with strong public support for Carney’s leadership contrasted against instability in the federal and provincial NDP, Liberal Party leadership dynamics in Ontario, and Doug Ford’s continued electoral strength.

The episode closes with reflections on political legacy, symbolism, and leadership amid a rapidly changing global order.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction and political context
01:25 – EV mandates, hybrids, and Ontario’s auto sector reality
08:30 – Trade disruption, USMCA uncertainty, and global market shifts
21:15 – Mark Carney, national unity, and public opinion polling
33:10 – NDP turmoil, Liberal leadership questions, and Ontario politics
56:05 – Political legacy, leadership, and Kathleen Wynne’s portrait reflections


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WE'RE BACK!

Dave Trafford, Tim Hudak, Keith Leslie and John Wright are at the OTL table!

The conversation covers a range of topics including:

• The premiers' meeting with the PM and it sounds like they're all playing nice.
• Mark Carney's leadership style is seen as a refreshing change in Canadian politics whilePierre Poilievre's leadership is under scrutiny as he faces his leadership review.
• Trade relations with the U.S. remain complex and influential on Canadian politics.
• Are the concerns about the impact of electric vehicles on Canadian manufacturing overhyped?.
• The electric vehicle market is evolving, but consumer choices are still limited.
• Innovation in the automotive sector is crucial for Canada's future.
• Navigating relationships with China is a delicate balance for Canadian leaders.

Chapters
00:00 Holiday Reflections and Personal Updates
02:51 Premiers Meeting and Regional Discord
05:56 The Impact of Electric Vehicles on Canadian Manufacturing
09:07 Mark Carney's Leadership and International Relations
11:54 The Future of Canadian Politics and Elections
14:54 The Role of the Conservative Party and Pierre Poilievre
17:50 Trade Relations and the Influence of the U.S.
20:56 The Electric Vehicle Market and Consumer Choices
23:53 The Importance of Innovation in the Auto Sector
27:12 Navigating Relationships with China
29:56 The Future of Canadian Defense and Manufacturing
33:01 Final Thoughts on Political Dynamics and Future Elections

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ENJOY THIS BONUS FEED DROP EDITION OF NOW AND NEXT!
THIS WEEK ON NOW AND NEXT

Retired RCAF Major General Scott Clancy discusses the evolving landscape of global security, the implications of American foreign policy, and Canada's role in the new world order. He emphasizes the complexities surrounding defense spending, military readiness, and the future of NATO amidst geopolitical instability. Clancy argues for the necessity of strong leadership to navigate these challenges and the importance of trust in international alliances.

Takeaways

• The world is increasingly dangerous due to shifting power dynamics.
• The American century is not necessarily over, but evolving.
• Canada's leadership on the global stage is crucial.
• Defense spending must be prioritized to ensure military readiness.
• Bureaucratic hurdles hinder effective defense procurement.
• NATO's effectiveness relies on trust among member nations.
• Geopolitical instability is a growing concern for all nations.
• Leadership is key to navigating complex defense issues.
• Public perception of defense spending impacts political decisions.
• A strong Canada is essential for global security.

Chapters
00:00 The State of Global Security
02:58 The American Century: Decline or Transformation?
05:56 Canada's Role in the New World Order
08:52 Defense Spending and Military Readiness
11:40 Navigating Complex Defense Decisions
14:49 The Future of NATO and Global Alliances
17:53 Geopolitical Instability and Its Implications


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Hello OTL listeners!

We're planning to get the gang back around the table before the end of January.

In the meantime, I thought you'd enjoy the re-boot of NOW and NEXT.

David Schultz is a professor of politcal science and and a legal expert on the U.S. Constitution. He teaches at  Hamline University in Minnesota AND he's also the Editor in Chief of the Minneapolis Times.

He brings a unique perspective to the international and domestic poltics playing out in the United States this week.

We dive into the Circus in Davos - from Canadian PM Mark Carney offiicially declaring the old world order a thing of the past to Donald Trump's insistence on the United State acquiring Greenland to his whiplash reversal in the face of opposition from NATO and Wall Street.

David also offers his perspective on the occupation of Minnesota by ICE and US Border Patrol agents. He likens it to a pending civil war.


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We ALWAYS say, things may have changed since we recorded our latest episode of On the Ledge. And we usally leave it that.

Not this week.

Hours after posting our weekly roundtable with Kathleen Wynne, John Wright, Tim Hudak and Keith Leslie, news broke at Queen's Park - news we couldn't ignore.

Ontario's Integrity Commissioner has responded to two separate complaints filed by the Opposition NDP and Liberals and has decided to launch an investigation into Labour Minister David Piccini and his handling of the controversial Skills Development Fund (SDF).

Commissioner Cathryn Motherwell’s office confirmed the investigation Thursday afternoon.

So, Dave Trafford sat down with Jessica Smith Cross, Editor-in-Chief at The Trillium to walk through the latest developments the story.

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In the final episode of the year, Dave Trafford is joined by Keith Leslie, Kathleen Wynne, John Wright, and Tim Hudak for a wide-ranging, end-of-year roundtable on Ontario and national politics. The discussion opens with sharp criticism of the Ford government’s decision to extend the legislature’s recess, raising concerns about accountability, democratic health, and the loss of pre-budget scrutiny. The panel examines fallout from the Skills Development Fund controversy, including the human consequences of funding being cut to mental-health services under OPP investigation.

Attention then turns to the Ford government’s major tourism and infrastructure push in Niagara Falls, including casinos, an observation wheel, airport expansion, and broader questions about branding, economic impact, and whether “Las Vegas North” makes sense for Ontario.

The conversation broadens to Canada–U.S. relations after Premier Doug Ford publicly says he will not travel to Florida, prompting a pointed response from Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. The panel explores declining Canadian travel to the U.S., symbolism versus substance, and what it signals about shifting public sentiment.

The episode closes with reflections on federal politics, Pierre Poilievre’s media performance, ongoing trade negotiations under CUSMA, and what lies ahead politically in 2026. 

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction & year-end setup
01:05 – Legislature extended recess & democratic accountability
10:02 – Skills Development Fund fallout and mental-health impacts
14:35 – Niagara Falls mega-tourism plan: promise and pitfalls
28:30 – Ford vs. DeSantis: Florida travel, symbolism, and Canada–U.S. tensions
50:20 – Federal politics, Poilievre, trade talks, and year-ahead outlook

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This episode finds the ON THE LEDGE panel assessing Ontario politics as the legislature heads into an unusually long nine-week winter recess. Dave Trafford is joined by political analyst Keith Leslie, former premier Kathleen Wynne, pollster John Wright, and Toronto Sun columnist Brian Lilley for a wide-ranging conversation about a government under strain, an opposition struggling to connect, and a public increasingly fatigued by political noise.

The panel digs into the Ford government’s limited sitting days, its retail-style governing approach, and the widening fallout from the Skills Development Fund scandal—now under OPP investigation. They examine why concerns about transparency and favoritism are sticking with voters, including Conservative supporters, and debate whether a cabinet shuffle, structural reform, or strategic reset is needed to rebuild credibility.

Healthcare dominates much of the discussion, especially the Ford government’s plan to expand private clinics for hip and knee surgeries. Panelists question the province’s long-term capacity to meet demand, the risk of draining talent from the public system, and the absence of a coherent strategy for primary and geriatric care.

The episode wraps with a frustrated look at Ontario’s transit saga—from the Finch LRT's early shutdowns to the endlessly delayed Eglinton Crosstown, now pushed to 2026. The panel considers whether public-private partnerships are failing large transit builds, and what systemic lessons have yet to be learned.

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction & Final Sitting Day
01:00 – Legislature’s Short Calendar & Governing Priorities
04:20 – Skills Development Fund Scandal & Political Impact
10:45 – Healthcare Capacity, Private Clinics & System Pressures
22:30 – OPP Investigation, Public Trust & Opposition Dynamics
32:00 – Transit Failures: Crosstown, Finch LRT & PPP Lessons

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This week on On the Ledge, Dave Trafford is joined by Keith Leslie, John Wright, Tim Hudak, and Kathleen Wynne for a wide-ranging conversation centred on the Ontario Auditor General’s annual report.

The panel digs deeply into the issues revealed around Ontario’s healthcare system—particularly physician billing, outdated OHIP technology, primary-care shortages, administrative burdens, and the lack of coherent province-wide planning for family medicine.

They explore systemic breakdowns highlighted in the AG’s findings, including mismanaged PPE procurement and expired stock, and reflect on long-standing structural weaknesses governments have failed to address since SARS and COVID-19.

The group also examines the demographic “time bomb” facing the healthcare system, the looming retirement wave among physicians, and the fiscal implications of an aging population. They debate partisan advertising thresholds after the AG flagged government-funded promotional campaigns, and they consider governance issues within Ontario’s regulatory bodies in light of the Ricoh/IPRO real estate scandal.

The episode closes with a discussion on EQAO results, support for teachers, and the political risks surrounding potential reforms to Ontario’s school boards.

CHAPTERS & TIMECODES

00:00 – Introduction & Around the Table Opening of the show; panel check-in; light conversation about dogs, calendars, and family stories.
03:00 – Auditor General’s Healthcare Findings Discussion of physician billing outliers, lack of accountability, antiquated OHIP billing technology, administrative burdens, and the failure to modernize systems.
12:00 – Primary Care Shortages & Medical Education Gaps Panel examines the AG’s concerns about family-doctor shortages, insufficient planning for medical-school seats, and the undervaluing of primary-care physicians.
16:00 – PPE Waste, Procurement Failures & COVID Lessons Not Learned Review of $1.4B in written-off PPE, expired stock, supply-chain mismanagement, and recurring systemic gaps dating back to SARS.
21:00 – Demographic Reckoning & Long-Term Healthcare Pressures Aging population, long-term care demands, fiscal strain, infrastructure needs, and the political challenges of preparing for 2035–2041.
26:00 – Government Advertising, Partisanship & Oversight Debate over the AG’s findings on $112M in government ads, non-partisan rules, auditor oversight, and the need for clearer safeguards.
35:00 – Real Estate Regulation Crisis: Ricoh & the IPRO Scandal Why the minister dissolved the Ricoh board, trust-fund failures, regulatory breakdowns and the first-ever appointment of an administrator.
41:00 – EQAO Results, Curriculum Pressures & Speculation on School Board Reform Discussion on rising but insufficient test scores, lack of teacher support for new curriculum, and hints of major governance changes ahead.



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Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, John Wright, Vicki, Keith Leslie

In this wide-ranging conversation, the roundtable begins with a deeply personal and moving story from Tim Hudak about his daughter Miller’s extraordinary journey overcoming apraxia, culminating in her powerful return to Loretto Abbey as an honour-roll speaker. That message of courage and kindness threads into a broader discussion about the need for compassion in politics—something panelists say is sorely lacking across jurisdictions.

The episode then shifts to the week’s major policy stories: the Beer Store’s proposed return-to-empties “solution,” why it fails to address convenience and recycling realities, and how closing beer stores is reshaping neighborhood waste streams. The panel breaks down the Ford government’s response, the LCBO’s absence in the system, and why most consumers’ habits make the proposed changes unworkable.

The group also analyzes the uproar over Bill 60 protests at Queen’s Park, the Premier’s controversial “get a job” remark, and what it reveals about government defensiveness, public frustration, and eroding legislative process. From there, the conversation widens to major national developments: pipeline politics, inter-provincial tensions, First Nations relationships, big-project approvals, and whether Ottawa’s sudden urgency reflects a shifting federal strategy.

The show closes with a sharp look at healthcare realities—funding pressures, demographic waves, operational failures, and the growing debate over what a sustainable system actually looks like.

Chapters & Timecodes

00:00 – Introduction & Opening Notes
Fundraising success for St. Clare Inn; introductions around the table.

02:40 – Tim Hudak’s Story: Miller’s Journey & A Call for Kindness
Tim shares an emotional account of his daughter’s perseverance, sparking a discussion about compassion in politics and society.

14:00 – Kindness, Compassion & Political Culture
Panel reflects on political polarization, U.S. border policies, and the erosion of empathy in public life.

15:30 – The Beer Store Deal: Why It’s No Deal
Reaction to beer stores agreeing to take empties back; consumer inconvenience; LCBO’s absence; Lions Club bottle-drive model; recycling system strain.

26:00 – Bill 60 Protests, Legislative Tension & “Get a Job”
Premier Ford’s remark to protesters, protester removal, and broader concerns about shrinking public consultation and legislative transparency.

36:00 – Big Projects, Pipelines & Federal–Provincial Alignment
Ring of Fire, Manitoba pipeline MOU, U.S. tariffs, Indigenous consultation challenges, and Ottawa’s accelerated pace on major files.

53:00 – Healthcare Reckoning: The Jalopy Argument
Private vs. public tensions, demographic pressures, chronic-care gaps, funding models, and what reforms will actually be required.

FULL TRANSCRIPT


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This week on On The Ledge, Dave Trafford, Kathleen Wynne, and Tim Hudak dive into a true curbside controversy: the disappearance of local Beer Stores has pushed mountains of bottles into blue bins—and Ontarians want to know why the LCBO isn’t taking responsibility. With Beer Stores closing and grocery stores refusing bottle returns, residents are losing deposits, recycling systems are strained, and small retailers are being asked to handle a volume they can’t manage. 

Wynne calls the situation “unnecessary grief” caused by rushed alcohol-expansion policy with “no planning,” while Hudak argues the LCBO should be part of the solution since it distributes the majority of alcohol containers.

The conversation deepens into the broader failures of Ontario’s recycling and blue box programs, the lack of coordinated environmental strategy, and the incentives required to rebuild a functioning return system. The panel also reflects on the unintended social impacts—from people collecting bottles for survival to community bottle drives stepping in to fill the gap.

From there, the group explores the latest drama at Queen’s Park: NDP Leader Marit Stiles being ejected from the Legislature, political tactics in Question Period, and evolving public sentiment around the Skills Development Fund scandal. The episode closes with a look at proposed legislation on sex offender registry access, impaired-driving child-support obligations, and shifting conversations about public vs. private healthcare delivery.

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction & Opening Banter
02:00 – Ontario’s Bottle-Return Breakdown & LCBO Accountability
09:00 – Recycling System Failures, Incentives & Environmental Planning
14:00 – Social Impact: Bottle Collectors, Community Drives & Lost Deposits
15:00 – Marit Stiles Ejection, Legislature Tactics & the Skills Development Fund
34:00 – Sex Offender Registry Proposal, Impaired-Driving Liability & Healthcare Debate

TRANSCRIPT


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Host: Dave Trafford
Guests:
• Tim Hudak – Partner, Counsel Public Affairs; former Ontario PC Leader
• Keith Leslie – Political Commentator, CH Television
• Kathleen Wynne – Former Premier of Ontario

On this week’s episode of On the Ledge, Dave Trafford and the panel dig into what was supposed to be a quiet off-week at Queen’s Park — only to discover a flood of political controversies and policy battles.

The conversation begins with birthday celebrations for Neil Young and Trafford’s grandson, before pivoting to the expanding scandal tied to the Skills Development Fund. The panel dissects the province’s revelation that a 2023 forensic audit uncovered accounting “irregularities,” now referred to the OPP, and what this means for Labour Minister David Piccini and Premier Ford’s cabinet stability.

The group then unpacks the Fall Economic Statement, debating the government’s messaging around deficits, tariffs, and investments — and whether Ontario's spending priorities fail to address critical pressures in education, post-secondary institutions, and climate policy. A detailed discussion follows on the province’s renewed push for a $9.1-million feasibility study for a 401 tunnel, alongside broader questions about the Ring of Fire, Indigenous partnerships, and the massive infrastructure challenges facing Northern Ontario.

Rounding out the episode, the panel tackles the Ford government’s moves on education governance and conservation authorities. With Bill 33 centralizing power the roundtable questions transparency, local accountability, and the government’s growing pattern of sidelining community-based institutions.

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction & Neil Young’s 80th Birthday
Lighthearted opening, birthdays, and memories.

03:15 – Skills Development Fund Scandal Escalates
Audit “irregularities,” OPP referral, political fallout, and cabinet risks.

10:00 – Fall Economic Statement & Ontario’s Fiscal Outlook
Deficits, tariffs, spending priorities, and sector impacts.

18:35 – 401 Tunnel Feasibility & Major Infrastructure Projects
$9.1M study, withheld earlier reports, and unrealized investments.

24:40 – Ring of Fire, Indigenous Partnerships & Northern Development
Economic potential, social challenges, road access, and equity stakes.

41:00 – Education Governance, Streaming Bans & Bill 33
School board powers, parental access, centralization of authority.

47:00 – Conservation Authorities & Local Decision-Making
Cuts from 36 to 7 authorities, mandate concerns, process questions.

54:00 – Closing Notes & What’s Ahead at Queen’s Park

TRANSCRIPT

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Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne (former Ontario Premier), Tim Hudak (Partner, Counsel Public Affairs; former Ontario PC Leader), Keith Leslie (Political Analyst, CHCH), John Wright (CEO, Canada Pulse Insights)

In this week’s episode, Dave Trafford and the On The Ledge panel unpack the political and policy fallout from Prime Minister Mark Carney’s first federal budget—and the Ford government’s deepening Skills Development Fund scandal.

Kathleen Wynne argues that Carney’s budget, while understated, delivers transformative long-term investments in infrastructure and economic development.

Tim Hudak says the budget “shows trees, but no forest,” lacking a unifying vision for the post-tariff economy.

Keith Leslie calls it a gamble on private-sector confidence, while John Wright warns the government’s narrative is missing “a political bone” to connect with struggling Canadians.

Then, the panel reacts to The Trillium’s explosive reporting on the Skills Development Fund—a $10-million grant linked to a venue now licensed as a strip club.

Journalist guests Jessica Smith Cross and Charlie Pinkerton explain how their investigative work exposed a pattern of questionable grants and Tory-connected recipients. The group debates Minister David Piccini’s future, Premier Ford’s handling of the controversy, and the broader question of accountability and cronyism at Queen’s Park.

From the budget’s muted ambitions to a political scandal with burlesque undertones, this episode captures an Ontario government under siege—caught between defending its process and salvaging its credibility.

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction & Panel Welcome
02:00 – Reactions to the Carney Budget
14:00 – Ottawa vs. Queen’s Park: Competing Narratives
33:00 – The Floor Crossing Fallout
43:00 – The Skills Development Fund Scandal: The Trillium’s Reporting
1:08:00 – Political Consequences & Closing Thoughts

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October 29, 2025
Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne, John Wright, Keith Leslie
Featured Interview: Neil Hetherington, CEO, Daily Bread Food Bank


In this wide-ranging roundtable, Dave Trafford is joined by former Ontario premier Kathleen Wynne, pollster John Wright, and journalist Keith Leslie to unpack a week of political turbulence—from Premier Doug Ford’s Reagan-themed U.S. trade ad and the resulting tariff tantrum from Washington, to the Ontario government’s omnibus legislation blitz at Queen’s Park.

The panel explores how Ford’s “Captain Canada” messaging has inflamed an already volatile Canada–U.S. trade climate and whether Ottawa and Queen’s Park are working from the same playbook. Wynne argues for federal-provincial coordination; Wright warns about “freelancing premiers”; and Leslie questions the political wisdom of running ads that “poke the bear” during the World Series.

Later, the discussion turns to Ontario’s new omnibus bills—from scrapping speed cameras to raising political donation limits—provoking questions about transparency, committee work, and the government’s appetite for real debate.

In the second half, Dave sits down with Neil Hetherington of the Daily Bread Food Bank to dissect this year’s Who’s Hungry report: food-bank visits in Toronto have hit 4.1 million, a 340 percent increase since 2019, with one in ten Torontonians relying on food banks. The panel weighs policy failures, stagnant wages, and corporate responsibility amid record profits.
They close by reflecting on poverty as an economic indicator and the political will required to address it—while predicting that both trade tensions and food insecurity will worsen before they improve.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction – Dave sets the agenda: trade, tariffs, legislation, and hunger
02:00 – Ford’s U.S. ad and the tariff fallout
09:45 – Ottawa’s silence and the coordination gap
20:00 – Inside Queen’s Park: Omnibus politics and missed debate
37:00 – Neil Hetherington on Toronto’s hunger crisis
53:00 – Policy, poverty, and political accountability

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We recorded this week's show about 12 hours before Donald Trump flew off his social media handle and trashed the Canada-US trade talks because of Ontario's anti-tariff ads running on US networks.

For the sake of context this version of this week's show...includes commentary around Trump's antics and what Doug Ford may...or may not do about it.

Otherwise...here's the show.

ON THE LEDGE – YOUR ONTARIO POLITICS PODCAST

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Keith Leslie (CH Television), Tim Hudak (Partner, Counsel Public Affairs; former Ontario PC leader), John Wright (CEO, Canada Pulse Insights)

Dave Trafford is joined by Keith Leslie, Tim Hudak, and John Wright for a lively roundtable that begins with the soaring cost of World Series tickets and quickly pivots into a sharp political discussion about Doug Ford’s government.

Hudak shares his perspective as a former Consumer Minister on the futility of policing ticket resellers, while Wright and Leslie explore how technology, bots, and lax regulation have transformed ticket scalping into a billion-dollar business.

The panel then dissects fresh polling data revealing Ford’s surprising strength in Toronto and the GTA—numbers showing nearly half of Torontonians approving of his performance, particularly on populist issues such as speed cameras and school trustees.

The conversation deepens with the week’s political firestorm: the Auditor General’s revelations about the Skills Development Fund, questions surrounding Labour Minister David Piccini, and fresh allegations from “Mr. X” in the ongoing Greenbelt saga. Jessica Smith Cross of The Trillium joins the episode with her reporting, laying out the connections between political insiders, lobbying, and taxpayer dollars.

The crew debates whether these controversies expose a deeper issue of cronyism and complacency within the Ford government, or simply the growing pains of a long-serving administration.
The episode closes with reflections on accountability, transparency, and the political costs of loyalty—ending with a consensus that the Ford government’s biggest risk now isn’t its policies, but its optics.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction & World Series Ticket Shock
06:00 – Polling the GTA: Ford’s Populist Edge
14:00 – The Speed Camera Debate: Cash Grab or Safety Tool?
31:00 – The Skills Development Fund Scandal & Mr. X Allegations
46:00 – Cronyism, Transparency, and Political Fallout
52:00 – Closing Thoughts





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ON THE LEDGE – YOUR ONTARIO POLITICS PODCAST

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Keith Leslie (CH Television), Tim Hudak (Partner, Counsel Public Affairs; former Ontario PC leader), John Wright (CEO, Canada Pulse Insights)

Dave Trafford is joined by Keith Leslie, Tim Hudak, and John Wright for a lively roundtable that begins with the soaring cost of World Series tickets and quickly pivots into a sharp political discussion about Doug Ford’s government.

Hudak shares his perspective as a former Consumer Minister on the futility of policing ticket resellers, while Wright and Leslie explore how technology, bots, and lax regulation have transformed ticket scalping into a billion-dollar business.

The panel then dissects fresh polling data revealing Ford’s surprising strength in Toronto and the GTA—numbers showing nearly half of Torontonians approving of his performance, particularly on populist issues such as speed cameras and school trustees.

The conversation deepens with the week’s political firestorm: the Auditor General’s revelations about the Skills Development Fund, questions surrounding Labour Minister David Piccini, and fresh allegations from “Mr. X” in the ongoing Greenbelt saga. Jessica Smith Cross of The Trillium joins the episode with her reporting, laying out the connections between political insiders, lobbying, and taxpayer dollars.

The crew debates whether these controversies expose a deeper issue of cronyism and complacency within the Ford government, or simply the growing pains of a long-serving administration.
The episode closes with reflections on accountability, transparency, and the political costs of loyalty—ending with a consensus that the Ford government’s biggest risk now isn’t its policies, but its optics.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction & World Series Ticket Shock
06:00 – Polling the GTA: Ford’s Populist Edge
14:00 – The Speed Camera Debate: Cash Grab or Safety Tool?
31:00 – The Skills Development Fund Scandal & Mr. X Allegations
46:00 – Cronyism, Transparency, and Political Fallout
52:00 – Closing Thoughts




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As Queen’s Park returns from its extended break, host Dave Trafford gathers the OTL panel — former Ontario Premier, the Honourable Kathleen Wynne,  former Ontario PC leader, the Honourable Tim Hudak, veteran pollster John Wright, and CH TV commentator Keith Leslie — to dissect a turbulent week in Ontario politics. 

The conversation opens with the Stellantis decision to move Jeep Compass production from Brampton to Illinois — a move sparking outrage, legal threats, and anxiety about the province’s manufacturing future under a resurgent Trump trade agenda. The panel debates the economic and geopolitical implications for Canada’s auto industry and the broader economy.

From there, the discussion shifts to healthcare, where the Ford government claims major gains in connecting Ontarians with primary care. The group questions the data, explores the roots of Ontario’s family doctor shortage, and debates the push toward privatization versus preserving public healthcare.
Finally, attention turns to Premier Ford’s “Home Depot confrontation” story — an anecdote that, while amusing to some, raises serious questions about leadership, temperament, and the government’s focus as the legislature resumes.

Chapters
00:00 – IntroductionDave Trafford welcomes back the OTL roundtable ahead of the fall legislative session.
03:45 – Stellantis Shock and Auto Sector FalloutFord and Carney brace for impact as Stellantis pulls production south; Wynne, Hudak, Wright, and Leslie assess the economic and political damage.
17:00 – Ontario’s Healthcare Reality CheckThe government touts progress on family doctor access — the panel questions the numbers and the deeper system failures.
37:00 – Doug Ford’s “Home Depot Hero” StoryThe Premier’s vigilante tale goes viral. The panel weighs the optics, the risks, and the erosion of message discipline.
50:00 – The Bigger Picture: Leadership and VisionAs Queen’s Park reopens, the hosts ask: what’s Ford’s long-term plan beyond political theatre?

TRANSCRIPT


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Dave Trafford welcomes back the full panel — former Premier Kathleen Wynne, former PC leader Tim Hudak, veteran journalist Keith Leslie, and pollster John Wright — for a fall political reset at Queen’s Park. The conversation opens with reflections on the late Jim Bradley, the long-serving Ontario Liberal who embodied integrity, bipartisanship, and a deep respect for public service. The panel shares personal memories and stories that capture Bradley’s “old-school” approach and his remarkable 55 years in elected office.

From there, the discussion shifts to the state of Ontario’s major parties ahead of the legislature’s return. Wynne assesses the Liberal leadership race, urging a timely process to give the next leader room to grow before the 2026 election. Hudak credits Bonnie Crombie for rebuilding the party infrastructure despite her short tenure, while Leslie and Wright note the Liberals’ resilience and the potential impact of generational change.

Attention then turns to the NDP, where Marit Stiles faces internal divisions, slipping poll numbers, and a crisis of relevance. The panel contrasts Ontario’s left with more pragmatic western NDP governments, questioning whether the party can reconnect with working-class voters.

Finally, the team examines Premier Doug Ford’s enduring popularity, exploring how his populist instincts and “Captain Canada” persona resonate across the province, even as critics fault him for weak policy and performative politics. With the legislature set to resume, the conversation sets the stage for an intense fall session dominated by affordability pressures, the Auditor General’s reports, and the evolving federal–provincial dynamic.

• 00:00 – Introduction – The team reunites and celebrates The Arctic Edge awards
• 04:55 – Remembering Jim Bradley – Stories of humility, legacy, and public service
• 19:20 – Liberal Leadership Reset – The race to rebuild the party
• 30:55 – NDP in Trouble – Divisions, direction, and the struggle for relevance
• 44:10 – Ford Nation Rising – Populism, polling, and political staying power
• 59:55 – Looking Ahead – The legislature returns and new battles loom

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What’s Next for the Ontario Liberal Party After Bonnie Crombie’s Resignation?

Bonnie Crombie resigns after a failed leadership review. On The Ledge panel asks: why did she step down, and who will lead the Ontario Liberals next?
In this bonus episode of On The Ledge – your Ontario politics podcast makes a special appearance on Newstalk 1010 with Moore in the Morning.

OTL Host Dave Trafford, former Premier Kathleen Wynne and former PC leader Tim Hudak, join John Moore to analyze what happened at the Ontario Liberal Party’s AGM, what the failing leadership grade (57%) means for Crombie’s legacy, and what lies ahead for the Liberals. 

Highlights
Kathleen Wynne
•    “There was a tension in the air the whole weekend about what the leadership vote was gonna be. I mean, that was undeniable.”
Tim Hudak
•    “In Bonnie Crombie’s defense, she took the Liberals back into official party status… She rebuilt their fundraising and credit to her.”
Dave Trafford
•    “The folks around Bonnie Crombie… were reading their polling from right to left as opposed to left to right because they just turned the number completely around. Their 75% ended up being 57%.”

What happened to Bonnie Crombie at the Ontario Liberal AGM?
Bonnie Crombie received just 57% support in her leadership review, far below the 70–75% her advisors predicted. By the end of the day, she announced her resignation.
Why did Bonnie Crombie resign?
Crombie acknowledged the leadership review as “a message to me” and decided it was in the party’s best interest to step aside. Kathleen Wynne emphasized it was ultimately Crombie’s decision, not caucus pressure.
What were Bonnie Crombie’s achievements as leader?
•    Restored official party status for the Liberals.
•    Rebuilt fundraising and organizational capacity.
•    Raised membership engagement after years of decline.
Why did Crombie’s leadership fail?
Dave Trafford argued that the problem was not only Crombie’s performance but also “a sense of unpreparedness around the Liberal campaign” and weak organizational support. Tim Hudak noted Crombie’s defeat in Mississauga sealed her fate against Doug Ford’s stronghold.
What’s next for the Ontario Liberals?
The panel agreed the party needs a leader with a seat in the Legislature to challenge Doug Ford directly. Potential names include:
•    Adil Shamji and Mary-Margaret McMahon from the current caucus.
•    Federal figures like Karina Gould or Nav Bains were mentioned as possible contenders.

TRANSCRIPT

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On the Ledge - Your Ontario politics podcast - June 19, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Tim Hudak, Keith Leslie, John Wright, Kathleen Wynne

This season finale of On the Ledge dives deep into Premier Doug Ford’s tumultuous week of unscripted rants and calculated risk. The panel unpacks Ford’s inflammatory comments on bail reform and “weak-kneed judges,” his car theft anecdote, and the problematic framing of First Nations relations ahead of a high-stakes Ring of Fire meeting.

While Ford’s base seems solid—polling at record highs—the fallout from Bill 5 and its sweeping powers is far from over.

The crew also reflects on the broader political landscape, from G7 diplomacy under Prime Minister Carney to interprovincial cooperation amid economic uncertainty. As the legislature pauses for summer, unresolved tensions over Indigenous consultations, democratic transparency, and civil justice reform loom large.

Chapters & Timecodes:
00:00 – Introduction & Season Wrap-Up
Dave welcomes listeners to the season finale, marks his wedding anniversary, and outlines the summer hiatus.
01:05 – Ford’s “Hoots” and the Greenbelt Scandal
Discussion on Doug Ford’s dismissive comments about the Greenbelt, declining public interest, and polling dynamics.
07:46 – Crime, Bail, and Communication Strategy
Ford’s rant about judges and bail conditions; analyzing the political effectiveness and risk of going off-script.
23:03 – Bill 5, First Nations, and Ring of Fire Rhetoric
Panelists react to Ford’s patronizing remarks about Indigenous communities and the growing opposition to Bill 5.
39:13 – G7 Summit and Cross-Border Strategy
Praise for Mark Carney’s diplomatic performance at the G7; discussion on Canada’s realignment in global trade.
53:22 – Civil Justice Reform & Legislative Concerns
A critical look at proposed changes to Ontario’s civil litigation process and its potential unintended consequences.


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On the Ledge – Your Ontario Politics Podcast - June 12, 2025
Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, John Wright, Keith Leslie

This episode of On the Ledge confronts a deeply troubling issue: the lack of accountability and transparency following a violent assault involving Anwar Knight’s son at school. The discussion focuses on Knight’s public appeal for justice, after an 18-month struggle with school board officials, the police, and legal hurdles to get answers and action.

He posted his appeal on Facebook. You can see it here.

The panel unpacks the layers of systemic opacity, privacy shields, and administrative inertia that often frustrate parents and fail vulnerable students.

Former Premier Kathleen Wynne reflects on her experience as a trustee, highlighting how critical leadership and culture are within schools, beyond policy.
Keith Leslie underscores the serious consequences of denying parents access to basic information, while Tim Hudak and John Wright stress the need for more courage and common sense in school administration and governance.

The conversation is wide-ranging but grounded in a central question: How do we ensure schools remain safe, responsive environments for every student? And what needs to change when systems designed to protect kids instead protect institutions?

The OTL crew also discussed:

• The 30th anniversary of Mike Harris’ 1995 win and 40th anniversary of Peterson’s 1985 election.
• John A. McDonald's statue is unveiled at Queen's Park.
• The possibility of new trade frameworks or deals, especially involving the U.S., Canada, and Mexico
• Anticipating the G7 meeting in Kananaskis, Alberta

Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction and Light Banter
04:00 – Anwar Knight’s Story: Assault, Silence, and Court Orders
13:42 – Leadership, Accountability, and the Failure to Act
19:27 – School Culture, Transparency, and Administrative Gaps
26:03 – Reflecting on 30 Years Since Harris, 40 Years Since Peterson
28:52 – Political Parallels and What Meaningful Change Looks Like
39:20 – Revisiting Historical Legacies and John A. Macdonald’s Statue
42:16 – Anticipating the G7 Summit and Its Global Stakes



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On the Ledge - June 5, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Tim Hudak, Kathleen Wynne, John Wright, Keith Leslie

This week on On the Ledge, Dave Trafford and the panel dive deep into the fallout and implications of Ontario’s controversial Bill 5. With the legislature on summer break, the political temperature rises over Indigenous consultation, environmental oversight, and the Ford government’s legislative tactics.

The conversation also ranges from pay raises and pensions for MPPs to the expectations around Mark Carney’s national leadership and the looming threat of Trump-era tariffs on Canadian steel. A thoughtful debate unfolds about trust, process, and the push for economic transformation in Ontario—and Canada.

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction
Dave Trafford welcomes listeners and the panel shares anecdotes on family, school, and athletics before shifting to political topics.

05:00 – Reflections on Youth Sports and Educational Values
A heartwarming discussion about personal growth, character-building in school sports, and their long-term impact on leadership and public service.

06:00 – The Bill 5 Debate and Indigenous Opposition
A comprehensive look at the legislative chaos and political backlash surrounding Bill 5. Guests discuss environmental concerns, procedural issues, and the lack of meaningful consultation with First Nations leaders.

24:00 – MPP Pay Raises, Pensions & Honorable Titles
Discussion of the quiet passage of MPP salary increases and reinstatement of the “Honorable” title, with reflections on political compensation, public service, and political optics.

36:00 – Mark Carney, Federal Alignment & Economic Anxiety
The panel reviews Carney’s handling of premiers' meetings, expectations around economic recovery, and public optimism amid fiscal uncertainty and steel tariffs.

48:00 – Steel Tariffs and Regional Job Impacts
Exploring the implications of 50% U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel, with a focus on Hamilton and Sault Ste. Marie. The group debates economic resilience and the possibility of a trade deal ahead of the G7.

54:00 – Closing Thoughts: Legal Reform and Federal-Provincial Harmony
Discussion on proposed changes to Ontario’s civil litigation system, the need for thoughtful reform, and the rare federal-provincial consensus emerging around economic development and resource extraction


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Show Notes for On the Ledge – May 29, 2025
Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Tim Hudak, Kathleen Wynne, Keith Leslie, John Wright

Episode Summary:
This week on On the Ledge, host Dave Trafford and the panel dive deep into Ontario’s Bill 5 and the mounting controversy surrounding its scope, timing, and lack of consultation—particularly with Indigenous communities. Kathleen Wynne calls it “a mess of this government’s own making,” while Tim Hudak views the push as necessary to unlock Ontario’s resource potential and economic resilience.

The conversation also pivots to school board reforms, raising questions about transparency, local governance, and the future role of trustees. 

The episode wraps with an in-depth discussion on the family doctor shortage in Ontario and whether systemic changes in compensation and digital tools could reverse the trend of declining participation in primary care.

Chapters & Timecodes:
00:00 – Introduction
Dave Trafford sets the stage for a wide-ranging discussion on Bill 5, school board reform, and the shortage of primary care physicians in Ontario.

00:39 – Bill 5: Controversy and Consultation Crisis
The panel dissects the fallout from Bill 5, addressing inadequate consultation with Indigenous communities, implications for environmental protections, and the potential for civil unrest.

33:12 – School Boards Under Fire
Debate shifts to proposed legislation that would increase ministerial control over school boards. Kathleen Wynne warns of long-term damage to local education governance, while Tim Hudak and Keith Leslie support reform and accountability measures.

52:18 – Ontario’s Family Doctor Deficit
A newly released report shows more family doctors are being trained, but fewer are staying in primary care. The panel explores the implications for healthcare delivery, lifestyle trade-offs, and how technology might help ease the burden.

1:00:07 – Final Thoughts & Budget Concerns
Discussion wraps with reflections on intergovernmental alignment, budget deficits, and the need to balance bold legislation with sound public engagement.

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On the Ledge | May 23, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Tim Hudak (Partner, Counsel Public Affairs; former PC leader), Keith Leslie (CHCH political commentator), John Wright (Pollster and political analyst)


In this episode of On the Ledge, Dave Trafford and guests dig into the political stories and policy debates dominating Ontario politics this week. From personal anecdotes about Catholic schools and long jump memories to a sharp analysis of legislative changes, the group covers a wide spectrum. Key discussions include the controversial provisions of Bill 5 and its potential impact on Indigenous consultation, environmental protection, and development processes in Northern Ontario. They also tackle the reintroduction of the “Honourable” title for former cabinet ministers, and broader concerns around MPP compensation and pensions. The episode wraps with scrutiny of proposed reforms to Ontario’s civil litigation procedures, sparking a wider conversation about access to justice and judicial efficiency.

Chapters:

• 00:00 – Introduction & Personal Anecdotes
  The hosts share stories from school days and family life, setting a warm tone before diving into policy.
• 10:00 – The Honourable Debate
  Discussion on the reintroduction of “The Honourable” for former provincial cabinet ministers and broader issues of public service recognition.
• 22:48 – Constituency Week & The Fallout from Bill 5
  The panel dissects Bill 5’s omnibus approach, concerns from environmental and Indigenous groups, and potential political blowback.
• 48:51 – Changes to Civil Litigation Rules
  The team critiques proposed changes to Ontario’s civil court procedures, focusing on the removal of discovery and access to justice.
• 59:09 – Closing Thoughts
  Reflections on the fiscal outlook, federal-provincial alignment, and hopes for effective implementation of development policy.

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On the Ledge – May 15, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Keith Leslie, John Wright, Tim Hudak (Kathleen Wynne sent regrets)

In this episode of On the Ledge, Dave Trafford, Keith Leslie, John Wright, and Tim Hudak kick things off talking about the OTR Spring Fling at Queen's Park! 

Then they unpack Ontario’s budget day, dive into the affordability crisis, and explore how interprovincial cooperation and infrastructure expansion are key to Canada’s economic resilience. 
With Kathleen Wynne away, the panel examines the collegiality that once defined Queen’s Park and the real impacts of policy on housing, generational inequality, and labour shortages.

They reflect on the provincial and federal approach to accelerating housing builds, and the political and policy implications of Premier Doug Ford’s relationship with Prime Minister Mark Carney.

The group discusses how trade barriers, infrastructure, and environmental protections are converging in a time of economic uncertainty and how Canada’s unity is being put to the test—and perhaps strengthened—by global and domestic pressures.

00:00 – Introduction & Spring Fling Recap
Dave opens the show with a joke about the Leafs and introduces the panel. Keith Leslie shares behind-the-scenes impressions of the Spring Fling at Queen’s Park and the podcast’s popularity among political insiders.

05:55 – Budget Day Preview & Ford Government’s Housing Push**
As Ontario’s budget drops later that day, the group discusses anticipated housing legislation and the credibility of the Ford government’s new approach. Tim Hudak defends Minister Rob Flack’s leadership potential in housing.

13:20 – Cost of Living & Young Buyers Left Behind
The panel explores how housing unaffordability is affecting young Ontarians, from down payment challenges to increasing mortgage rates. John Wright and Keith Leslie highlight systemic barriers to ownership for millennials and Gen Z.

25:22 – Labour Shortages & Ontario’s Condo Market Slump
Discussion shifts to labour market issues and how immigration policies are mismatched with skilled trades demand. Keith and John discuss condo oversupply and shrinking urban appeal post-pandemic.

33:51 – Budget Promises: Gas Tax Cuts, Toll Relief & Trump Tariff FalloutDoug Ford’s budget announcements—including permanent gas tax cuts and 407 toll relief—are analyzed. Keith explains how these choices reflect affordability politics amid economic threats from Trump’s tariff agenda.

42:03 – Interprovincial Trade, Unity, and Carney’s Nation-Building Vision
The show pivots to national issues. Ford and Wab Kinew’s agreement on trade cooperation is discussed, and the panel praises Mark Carney’s leadership style and diplomatic success in Washington.

52:03 – Infrastructure, Indigenous Partnerships & Economic Reconciliation**
The hosts discuss the importance of Indigenous equity and decision-making in large infrastructure projects like the Ring of Fire and Nunavut hydro link. Kathleen Wynne stresses the need for government-to-government engagement.

1:05:00 – Final Thoughts: Erskine-Smith’s Exit & Budget Expectations
Closing thoughts cover Nate Erskine-Smith’s public complaints after being dropped from cabinet, and what voters will expect from Ontario’s long-term affordability strategy.

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On the Ledge -- May 8, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford

Guests: Kathleen Wynne (former Premier of Ontario), John Wright (founding pollster at On the Ledge), Keith Leslie (journalist, joining from Nova Scotia)
Absent: Tim Hudak (former PC leader, expected back next week)

This episode of On the Ledge revisits last week's fiery discussion on judicial independence and fairness in Canada's legal system, sparked by contrasting views on elected judges and bail reform. The panel expands the conversation into a wide-ranging discussion on infrastructure, Indigenous partnerships, interprovincial trade, and Prime Minister Mark Carney’s growing role as a unifier on the national stage. Doug Ford’s emerging “Captain Canada” persona, new federal-provincial dynamics, and the urgency of equitable economic development also take center stage. Chapters

• 00:00 – Introduction
  Dave Trafford recaps listener reaction to last week’s “vigorous” episode and sets the table for a continued conversation on courts, politics, and policy.
• 02:15 – Elected Judges, Bail Reform & Judicial Backlogs
  The panel debates whether Canada’s legal system is broken, the Ford government’s appeal of the Toronto bike lane decision, and the recent judicial appointments.
• 13:36 – Autism Supports & Political Neglect
  Kathleen Wynne passionately defends her government’s investments in autism services and critiques the Ford government's mismanagement of the file.
• 16:44 – Mark Carney in Washington & Premiers Meeting
  The group analyzes Carney’s Oval Office meeting with Trump, Ford’s supportive role, and the symbolic shift in federal leadership.
• 33:16 – Pipelines, Interprovincial Trade, and the July 1 Deadline
  Doug Ford’s push to remove internal trade barriers is explored, alongside provincial MOUs, environmental regulations, and infrastructure ambition.
• 43:17 – Ring of Fire, Indigenous Equity & Infrastructure Readiness
  Focus shifts to northern development, highlighting the need for Indigenous equity, smarter permitting, and climate-resilient investments.

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On the Ledge – May 1, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford Guests: Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, John Wright

Episode Summary:
In this week's fiery edition of On the Ledge, host Dave Trafford is joined by Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, and John Wright to unpack a turbulent week in Canadian conservative politics.

The panel dissects the fallout from the recent federal election, including Jamil Jivani’s scathing remarks about Doug Ford, rising tensions between provincial and federal Conservatives, and speculation about Pierre Poilievre’s future as leader.

The discussion pivots to Premier Ford’s explosive rant about the judiciary, prompting a lively debate over judicial independence, policy-making, and political accountability.

As Ontario barrels toward a new political season, the hosts reflect on the role of pragmatism, governance, and due process in a rapidly polarizing landscape.

Key Takeaways:

• Jamil Jivani’s blistering critique of Doug Ford sparked fresh infighting between federal and provincial Conservatives.
• Kathleen Wynne called the tensions “more personal than strategic,” highlighting a leadership vacuum and raw post-election emotions.
• Tim Hudak framed Ford’s popularity as a national Conservative asset, cautioning against picking fights with Ontario’s three-time majority Premier.
• The panel debated Pierre Poilievre’s silence and whether he can unify the party or is losing control of the narrative.
• Premier Ford’s controversial rant about “electing judges” led to sharp critique from Wynne and Wright, who defended judicial independence.
• John Wright stressed the importance of due process, warning that undermining judicial trust sets a dangerous precedent.
• Melissa Lantsman was identified as a potential interim leader or strong voice for the Conservatives in the House if Poilievre delays running.
• The group agreed that bigger national issues—like economic downturns and the Carney government’s next moves—will soon eclipse the Conservative family feud.

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On the Ledge – Special Election Edition

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Keith Leslie, Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, John Wright

Summary:
In this special post-election edition of On the Ledge, Dave Trafford convenes the panel to break down the federal election results.

Keith Leslie, Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, and John Wright dive into what the Liberal minority outcome means for the country, why polling predictions missed key shifts, and how the ground game, turnout, and last-minute voter motivations shaped the final result.

They also examine the collapse of the NDP, the future of Pierre Poilievre’s leadership after losing his seat, and the challenges facing Prime Minister Mark Carney as he seeks to unify a fractured Parliament and prepare for an unpredictable Trump-led U.S.

Key Takeaways:

• Poll Accuracy & Aggregators: John Wright defends pollsters but criticizes seat projection aggregators for inaccuracies that fueled public distrust.
• High Voter Turnout: Motivated by stark party contrasts and affordability concerns, Canadians turned out in record numbers.
• NDP Collapse: The New Democrats suffered devastating losses, notably in Hamilton and Northern Ontario, fueling leadership questions.
• Pierre Poilievre's Future: Despite leading the Conservatives to strong seat gains, losing his own riding could trigger leadership challenges.
• Carney’s Challenges: The new PM must rebuild Western trust, advance critical infrastructure projects, and present a fresh cabinet distinct from Trudeau’s.
• Minority Government Dynamics: Carney will rely heavily on NDP cooperation to survive, though few are eager for another election soon.
• Trump Factor: While the Trump threat remains, voters increasingly focused on domestic issues like affordability in the final campaign days.

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Boomer Turnout, Betting Markets, and a Liberal Path to Victory

On the Ledge –  April 24, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne, John Wright, Keith Leslie, Amanda Galbraith (filling in for Tim Hudak) 

In this edition of On the Ledge, Dave Trafford and the panel dig into the final days of the federal campaign. With polling margins narrowing, the conversation pivots to the strategic implications of the NDP collapse, the Conservatives’ stalled momentum, and whether Mark Carney’s Liberals can secure a fourth term.

Amanda Galbraith delivers sharp insight on why the NDP’s decline may have done more to harm Pierre Poilievre’s chances than help.

The panel also critiques political ad strategies, speculates on shifting voter coalitions, and debates whether the electorate is still moved by messages of hope or just fed up.

In provincial politics, the crew discusses subway procurement, sole-sourcing, and the Ford government's growing tensions with school boards.

Key Takeaways:

• Polling Plateau: Despite breathless media reports, the polls remain largely unchanged; regional shifts are minimal and final telephone-based polls may provide clearer trends (John Wright).
• NDP's Collapse: Amanda Galbraith argues the NDP's self-inflicted decline undermines the Conservatives' vote-splitting advantage and may cost Poilievre a path to power.
• Ad Wars and Missed Messages: The panel criticizes a Conservative ad targeting older male voters, suggesting it misses the emotional connection needed in a campaign’s final stretch.
• Boomer vs. Youth Turnout: Young conservative-leaning men may stay home, while reliable boomer voters help buoy Liberal support.
• Online Betting Markets: Unofficial political betting lines show rising odds for a Liberal majority — a surprising twist not yet echoed in public polling.
• Transit and Tariffs: Ford’s proposal to sole-source subway cars in Thunder Bay sparks debate over cost control and trade protectionism.
• School Board Frustration: The panel anticipates a public appetite for stronger oversight and accountability in Ontario’s school boards amid financial controversies.

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On the Ledge – April 17, 2025
Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne, Tim Hudak, Keith Leslie, John Wright

As Canadians look ahead to a long Easter weekend, the On the Ledge panel tackles the aftermath of the French-language leaders’ debate and the political blowback from the Ontario Place Therme spa deal.

They analyze the debate performances of Carney, Poilievre, Singh, and Blanchet, with particular focus on tone, leadership posture, and policy signals—especially around energy, Indigenous consultation, and economic direction.

The conversation also pivots to the explosive New York Times investigation exposing questionable claims by Therme Group, and what that means for Doug Ford’s government, Infrastructure Ontario, and the integrity of public procurement. The episode closes on what interprovincial cooperation could mean post-election—and why Indigenous governments must be included in Canada's economic vision.

Key Takeaways:

• Debate Highlights: Mark Carney held his own despite weaker French; Poilievre surprised by staying calm and policy-focused; Blanchet was passionate but seen as marginal to national issues.
• Tone Matters: Multiple panelists noted voters often respond more to a leader’s demeanor than to their words—Carney’s composure and Poilievre’s restraint were seen as net positives.
• Therme Scandal Fallout: The New York Times revealed Therme misrepresented itself, shaking trust in the Ontario Place redevelopment deal. The panel criticized both the lack of due diligence and media/political inaction before the exposé.
• Infrastructure Ontario Critique: IO’s role in multiple procurement debacles—including Metrolinx and Ontario Place—came under fire, with calls for greater transparency and accountability.
• Permitting and Speed vs. Process: Ford’s push to streamline permits is seen as a risk to environmental and Indigenous processes if not balanced carefully.
• Post-Election Unity Challenge: The panel underscores the need for intergovernmental cooperation on economic priorities—labor mobility, trade, and Indigenous partnerships top the list.

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It must be Thursday! We're dealing with another round of tariff chaos courtesy of the Useful Idiot.

On the Ledge : April 10, 2025
Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Kathleen Wynne, Keith Leslie, John Wright, Tim Hudak

In this wide-ranging episode of On the Ledge, Dave Trafford and the panel dig into the volatile tariff landscape shaped by U.S. trade moves, its ripple effects on Canada, and how political leaders are responding.

Broadcasting from Iqaluit, Trafford also introduces a new Arctic-focused podcast, The Arctic Edge.

Meanwhile, the group dissects Pierre Poilievre’s recent tone shift, internal campaign strategies, and what polling trends really say about the state of play heading into the federal election. From trade chaos to campaign calculus, it’s a comprehensive snapshot of Canada’s political pulse.

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In this episode of On the Ledge - your Ontario Politics Podcast:

Dave Trafford leads a dynamic roundtable with political veterans Tim Hudak, Keith Leslie, and John Wright, unpacking the seismic shifts in North American trade following Trump’s sweeping tariff announcement. From the economic aftershocks of “Liberation Day” to the potential realignment of Canadian politics, the panel delivers sharp, insightful analysis. The discussion touches on the targeted impacts of tariffs on Ontario and Quebec, federal political fallout, and the public’s mounting anxiety over affordability. The crew also examines campaign strategy pivots, polling signals, and the role of tone and leadership in a turbulent election cycle.

📌 Key Takeaways:

• Economic Fallout: Trump’s tariffs have already begun to shutter Canadian manufacturing (e.g., Stellantis plants), with the stock market in decline and global supply chains in disarray.
• Canadian Response: PM Carney and premiers are weighing cautious retaliation. Ford is praised for a strategic, measured approach.
• Targeted Impact: Tariffs disproportionately hit Ontario and Quebec, sparking regional tensions over national strategy.
• Political Shift: Carney’s poll numbers are up, but Conservatives under Poilievre show grassroots strength. Affordability, not Trump, is the campaign’s core issue.
• Campaign Strategy: Conservative tone has shifted. The panel suggests the “adult in the room” narrative and emotional tone could determine voter swing.
• Electoral Math: Conservative success hinges on NDP vote splits—now at risk with NDP polling near single digits.

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A Special Edition of On the Ledge - your Ontario Politics Podcast.

Host: Dave Trafford

Guests:

• Lauren Bates – Chair, Ontario Caregiver Coalition
• Daniel Nowoselski – Advocacy Manager, Hospice Palliative Care (Canadian Cancer Society); Board Member, Ontario Caregiver Coalition
• Malene Stewart – Social Worker, Educator & Co-Chair, Caregiver Collective

In this episode, Dave Trafford sits down with three passionate advocates who bring both professional expertise and deeply personal experience to the table. As Ontario marks Family Caregiver Day, the conversation sheds light on the real, often invisible, role of family caregivers in holding together our fragile healthcare and social systems. From personal sacrifice and financial strain to policy gaps and urgent reform, this roundtable discussion underscores a pressing need: support the caregivers who support everyone else.

🔑 Key Takeaways

• 💡 Scope of Caregiving: Nearly 4 million Ontarians are caregivers today—a number expected to hit 6.5 million within five years.
• 75 % of all the care that's provided is provided by family and friends
• 🧠 Mental Load & Grief: Caregiving often comes with anticipatory grief, isolation, and emotional strain, especially with illnesses like dementia.
• 💸 Financial Strain: Many caregivers reduce work hours or leave jobs entirely, yet 92% don’t qualify for federal caregiver tax credits.
• 🧍‍♀️ Policy Gaps: Ontario lacks a coordinated respite system, leaving caregivers without essential breaks.
• 🏠 Aging in Place: Housing limitations and care infrastructure are ill-equipped to support aging populations at home.
• 📣 Call for Action: The Ontario Caregiver Coalition is pushing for scalable, inclusive caregiver benefits and mental health supports.
• 🧭 How to Help: Visit ontariocaregivercoalition.ca or follow OCC on social platforms to support and get involved.

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The Useful Idiot is at it again.

Whether he was simply trying to distract from the Signal App scandal in Washington or is Trump deliberately asserting himself into the federal election campaign in Canada, the 25% tariffs on the auto sector caught Doug Ford off guard. And it appears to be the final nail in the Can-Am relationship.

In this edition of On the Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast former Premier Kathleen Wynne, former PC leader Tim Hudak, and pollster John Wright join Dave Trafford to dive into the latest threats from Washington and Trump's toxic tariffs.

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This is an OTL BONUS! Welcome to POLITICALLY SPEAKING.

Three days into the federal election campaign in Canada and the latest polling aggregators have seat modelling suggesting Mark Carney's Liberals are in a position to win a strong majority.

But hey! It's early yet.

One thing we do know is it's shaping up to be a very close race between the Liberals and the Conservatives.

Veteran pollster John Wright joins Dave Trafford to take the pulse on the popular opinion.

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John Wrigth and Dave Trafford break down the details of the election call.

Prime Minister Mark Carney has set April 28, 2025 as Election Day in Canada.

AND...Donald Trump and his trade tariffs are THE BALLOT QUESTION.

Who can handle Trump? Who can manage the cultural and economic angst of Canadians?

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We're back with On the Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast!

Former Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, former Ontario PC leader Tim Hudak, Queen's Park Commentator and broadcaster Keith Leslie, and our founding pollster John Wright are around the table with Story Studio Network's Chief Executive Producer Dave Trafford.

Doug Ford and his "new" cabinet have been sworn in with a couple of new seating assignments but, for the most part, the same faces around the table. It's still the largest cabinet in Ontario's history.

What's next for Ford as Captain Canada?

Should he be visiting Alberta Premiere Danielle Smith to calm and quell her anti-Ottawa ranting?

He's unlikely to offer any help to Pierre Poilievre in the upcoming federal campaign.



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Hello On the Ledge listener!

Welcome to POLITICALLY SPEAKING on Now and Next. Former Bank of Canada Governor and self proclaimed political outsider, Mark Carney won't nearly 86% of the vote in his bid to be leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.

He set a new tone for the party while setting his sights on CPC Leader Pierre Polievre in anticipation of a soon-to-be-called federal election and he set the stage for the coming trade war with Donald Trump's America.

Joining us around the table is former Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, former Mayor of Toronto, John Tory, founding co-host and pollster from On the Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast, John Wright and Keith Leslie, Queen's Park commentator at CHCH TV in Hamilton.

If you enjoyed this, be sure to follow/subscribe to NOW and NEXT where ever you listen to On the Ledge - your Ontario Politics Podcast!

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We've arrived! It's the FINAL edition of the DAILY election edition of On the Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast.

Ontario has voted and given Doug Ford another strong majority mandate at Queen's Park.

But the discussion got side-tracked by the latest GONG SHOW performance from the Oval Office. The screaming match among Donald Trump, J.D. Vance and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has the crew wondering how the sheer chaos sets the tone for the tariff and trade negotiations between Washington and Ottawa.

On the election results, each of the three major parties had wins and losses.

The Tories landed a third majority but end up with fewer seats than they had at dissolution.
The NDP won Official Opposition but their seat count dropped to 27.
And the Liberals won official party status but Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie lost her election bid in Mississauga.

We're joined by John Tory and Tim Hudak, both former leaders of the Ontario PC Party, and Keith Leslie CHCH Queen's Park Commentator.

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In this episode of On the Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast:

How, if at all, will the weather affect voter turnout, which is expected to be low?

How quickly does Doug Ford need to get back to the business of governing, (assuming the polling trend doesn't turn upside down).

Some seat models suggest the Liberals and NDP would win 17 seats each based on the latest polls? They'd both have official party status. Which party would be the Official Opposition? (HINT: Doug Ford could play a role in deciding).

We're joined by former Toronto Mayor John Tory, Tim Hudak - Partner at Counsel Public Affairs and Keith Leslie, Queen's Park commentator at  @CHCHNews11  in Hamilton.

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John Wright, Lindsay Broadhead, Anne Marie Aikins and Bob Reid join the pod to do three things.

1. Taking time to remember radio journalism legend Tayler Parnaby
2.  What's going on in Olivia Chow's office (if not her head?)
3. How will Doug Ford manage what's shaping up to be a landslide majority?

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In this episode of On the Ledge - your DAILY Ontario election podcast, we're joined by Pedro Barata, President and CEO at Habitat for Humanity, Neil Hetherington, CEO at Daily Bread Food Bank and Gerard Kennedy, CEO at Enterprising for Good.
(Neil's golden lab Charley also offers an opinion:)

And we talk about the ramifications of the Ontario government's failure to get its arms around the growing housing crisis and the effects the US-Canada Trade war will have on the sector.

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In this episode of On the Ledge - your DAILY Ontario election podcast, Doug Ford releases his party's "costed" platform. It includes $40b in new spending, including a $5b Protect Ontario Account to fend off the effects of the Trump tariffs.

But there's no indication where that money will come from.

Meanwhile, Bonnie Crombie's campaign steps on a bilingual rake during a stop in the Ottawa area.

The polls continue to suggest the Liberals are making gains at the expense of PCs and NDP. Could it have anything to do with an $800k ad spend on Meta platforms over the past 30 days?

Today we're joined by former PC Ontario Leader Tim Hudak and CHCH TV Queen's Park commentator Keit Leslie.

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We wrap the final full week on the campaign with former Toronto Mayor John Tory, former Ontario Education Minister Gerard Kennedy, the Queen of Corp Comms Lindsay Broadhead and our resident/founding pollster are around the table for out 300th episode of On the Ledge!

What does a hockey game have to do with the campaign on a day when Doug Ford's in Washington and the opposition parties release their costed platforms?

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In this episode of On the Ledge - your DAILY Ontario election podcast, we're joined by Public Affairs Consultant Bob Richardson, CH Television commentator Keith Leslie, Counsel Public Affairs Partner Tim Hudak, former Toronto Mayor John Tory and our founding pollster John Wright.

With less than a week of campaigning to go, the question is which opposition party will emerge as the Official Opposition.

Two weeks ago, there was some question whether the Liberals would gain official party status. Modelling suggested they wouldn't get more the 12 seats necessary.

A week ago, BOTH the Liberals and NDP were under water, suggesting Doug Ford's PCs could win a majority with none of the opposition parties having official status.

This week, it appears the Liberals are on the upswing and the New Democrats are struggling.

The outcome will depend on who gets the vote out. And that may be a challenge considering the winter conditions and an election day forecast calling for more snow.

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In this episode of On the Ledge - your DAILY Ontario election podcast, we're joined by Monique Smith (Global Public Affairs), Lindsay Broadhead (Broadhead Communications) and Amanda Galbraith (Oyster Group).

Question: How does a campaign keep volunteers and workers enthusiastic when it appears the Tories are going to run away with the election and there is still more than a week before election day?

There are a number of polls suggesting the Liberals are improving at the expense of the NDP.
Question: How much trouble are the Stiles' New Democrats facing in Toronto and Hamilton
Question: Could the Liberals win official party status, maybe even Official Opposition but lose their leader? (The PCs are leading in every region of the province - particularly in the 905).

And Doug Ford's media avoidance may be good political strategy but it's nonetheless disrespectful of local voters. 

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Only 9 more sleeps before Election Day in Ontario. In this episode of On the Ledge - your DAILY Ontario election campaign podcast, we're joined by Laura Babcock at Powergroup Communications, Public Affairs Consultant Bob Richardson, Former Deputy Mayor of Toronto Ana Bailao and Toronto Sun Columnist Brian Lilley.

The crew says early assessments of the leaders' performances in the debate has shifted somewhat. The nearly immediate reviews post debate suggested Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie performed poorly. But most of the more memorable "morning after" clips from the debate tend to feature Crombie.

So, maybe she did better than we thought! The biggest play on the campaign was Crombie's appeal to NDP voters to cast ballots for Liberals to stop Doug Ford's romp to a third majority government.

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