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On The Call

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On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia’s centres of power. Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down each week with our journalists to dissect what we’re watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers, live.

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Xero's culture clash; Albo's war on big tech

Thursday, September 10, 2026 • Duration 27:03

Xero's aggressive AI pivot has sent morale inside the accounting software company into freefall, with engineers fearing they're building their own replacements. Meanwhile, the Albanese government's battle against big tech has a new target: the algorithms, with a digital duty of care proposal that would let users opt out of algorithmic feeds.

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Sinking morale at Xero and the forced-ranking performance measurement behind it.
Why engineers fear they're training their own replacement.
The culture clash between Xero's US-based executive team and its Australian and New Zealand staff.
Shareholder anger over Xero CEO Sukhinder Singh Cassidy's $25 million pay packet.
An influencer ad and an automated email mishap that has turned off a core segment of Xero’s user base, accountants.
Why Atlassian and Salesforce have bounced back from the SaaSpocalypse and Xero hasn’t.
What's in the digital duty of care, and the "My Feed, My Way" campaign.
The Coalition and One Nation’s opposition to the proposal.
Albanese's algorithm theory of One Nation's rise and whether this policy is the answer to it.
The needle Labor has to thread: regulating big tech while courting billions in AI data centre investment

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

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Autonomous agents, real money: The risks of AI in banking and finance

Thursday, September 3, 2026 • Duration 21:47

Agentic AI in banking has moved from drafting documents to moving money — and there’s an unanswered question on who's liable when bots are actioning transactions. Recorded live at Fintech Australia's Intersekt conference, the Capital Brief newsroom digs into the RBA's fintech regulation review, and where the big banks and the startup ecosystem sit not he agentic AI opportunity.

We discuss:

The disintermediation threat: what happens to the big banks when your money moves itself to the best provider
The RBA submissions divide — CBA, ANZ and Westpac urge for fast regulation, while NAB, Fintech Australia and the Tech Council say it's too early
Who's liable when a bot makes a decision its human owner never authorised?
Payment authority vs payment execution, and why that distinction is essential to answer the liability question.
Why scam education built around human manipulation doesn't translate to agents
Whether public discomfort with handing over financial agency reduces over time.

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

Pauline Hanson’s support drops; Data centre angst rises.

Thursday, August 27, 2026 • Duration 31:08

Support for Pauline Hanson slides in the latest Capital Brief–Demos AU poll, with the sharpest drop among women — positive views falling 13 points since June while negative views jumped 15 points. Meanwhile, less than a quarter of Australians would support a data centre being built in their area, and 44% oppose the idea outright.

We discuss:

One Nation's five-point primary vote collapse and whether the Pauline Hanson bubble is bursting.
The stark gender split driving the plunge and he facors contributing to the shift including Hanson's Press Club appearance, Sicily trip with Gina Rinehart, and commentary on reproductive rights and domestic violence.
Angus Taylor's four-point climb and his efforts to rehabilitate the Coalition’s image.
One Nation's migration blow-up and the two very different constituencies Hanson now has to keep happy.
Australia's favourite PMs: Bob Hawke in first place and Scott Morrison in last and the gender split on Julia Gillard.
Data centre scepticism and whether opposition to data centres is ordinary NIMBYism or an early political backlash against AI.

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEDT: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

Canva under the microscope, BHP cashes in on copper

Thursday, August 20, 2026 • Duration 25:18

Canva is facing AI token fraudsters who are exploiting loopholes to access AI credits beyond normal limits, with some later sold on grey markets. This comes as two of Canva’s earliest backers, Blackbird and Airtree, wrote down its valuation by 17% to USD34.9 billion. Meanwhile, BHP posted a blockbuster USD9.8 billion profit — and for the first time, copper contributes more than half of the miner's earnings as the AI data centre boom rewrites Australia's mining story.

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How token fraud works and why Canva's AI product made it a target for organised scammers.
How this scam plays out across Claude, ChatGPT, and other subsidised AI subscriptions.
Blackbird and AirTree's 17% valuation cut and what it signals about the lag between public and private market pricing.
Canva's revenue growth slowdown and the unit. economics of running an AI business versus a classic SaaS model.
Whether the $12 billion valuation floated by 20VC is defensible.
How SaaS companies are repositioning their data as a moat.
BHP's copper boom.
Australia's familiar role in the AI era — digging things up and sending them overseas.

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

Anthony Albanese's sit-down with Capital Brief

Thursday, August 13, 2026 • Duration 25:54

In an exclusive interview with Capital Brief’s Matthew Franklin and Katina Curtis, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he wants Australia to lead the world on AI regulation. He says his move to legislate AI regulatory standards could become a global model, and points to the Labor government’s social media ban as inspiration for this step.

Albanese also spoke to gambling advertisement reforms being debated in parliament, warning that banning gambling ads outright would be incredibly damaging to free-to-air television networks.

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Albanese's UN pitch to make Australia's AI regulation a global model
The PM's admission that he doesn't personally use AI and Canberra’s reaction to the revelation
South Australia's Royal Commission into AI, days after Peter Malinauskas signed an MOU with OpenAI
The long road to gambling ad reform and extraordinary Senate evidence on the use of inducements by gambling companies
Albanese's argument that gambling ad revenue is propping up free-to-air TV
Albanese's strategy for countering Pauline Hanson, to defeat with optimism

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

The data centre backlash

Thursday, August 6, 2026 • Duration 24:00

Community anger over AI data centres has found its epicentre in Sydney's Lane Cove of all places, a well-heeled North Shore suburb now facing five proposed data centres in its industrial park. Meanwhile, AI infrastructure company Firmus is turning on the charm offensive to win over sceptical communities in Tasmania and South Australia as it pushes ahead with its "AI factory" ambitions.

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Why Lane Cove's proximity to Sydney’s CBD, power and fibre infrastructure makes it a prime location for data centres.
How an organised, high-income resident base has turned Lane Cove into a flashpoint of grassroots opposition.
AI infrastructure company and ASX hopeful Firmus hustling to win over communities in South Australia and Tasmania that are resistant to its ambitious projects.
Widespread national unease about living near data centres and fears over AI-driven job losses.
Anthony Albanese’s national AI agenda and why Queensland and Northern Territory aren’t on board.
What EY's new modelling says about AI's likely GDP impact and job creation
How the US data centre backlash — from New York's moratorium to local anger over jobs and power — is shaping the debate playing in Australia

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

Tim Doyle on CGT, selling Eucalyptus, and the future of healthcare

Thursday, July 30, 2026 • Duration 40:39

Eucalyptus co-founder Tim Doyle joins the Capital Brief newsroom for On The Call’s first ever guest episode. Doyle has been one of the most prominent voices in the startup sector’s response to Labor’s capital gains tax reforms, arguing the sector’s backlash against the reforms is rooted in self interest. This discussion revisits the debate and where the discourse on the tax reforms has landed. It also delves into the USD1.15 billion sale of Eucalyptus to Hims and Hers, as well as Doyle’s takes on the future of healthcare.

We discuss:

Tim Doyle's past gig buying political ads for Labor and his view on the social media proficiency of Pauline Hanson’s fast rising One Nation party
Parallels between the fracturing of political parties and the disruption of mega-brands like Nike
Zohran Mamdani's campaign playbook and what global politicians are copying from it
Why Doyle thinks the tech industry's backlash to Labor's CGT changes was 'absurd"
The case for carving out CGT relief for startup employees, not just founders
Australia's shortage of experienced startup CFOs and operators to scale companies past Series A
How young Australians' risk appetite is misunderstood
Life reporting to a CEO again, and what he's learned from Hims and Hers' bolder capital allocation
The rise of consumer-led healthcare, AI diagnosis, and the regulatory challenges of an empowered patient
What's next as Eucalyptus's brands fold into the Hims and Hers name

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEDT: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

Australia's startup deal drought; The rise of Chinese AI.

Thursday, July 23, 2026 • Duration 25:22

A new report suggests that Australia has seen the strongest first half in venture funding since 2022 — but the number of deals is actually a quite a bit lower. Meanwhile, the conversation around Chinese AI is heating up with the release of new frontier model Kimi K3 and Xi Jinping’s speech at a major Chinese AI conference.
We discuss:

The numbers in the new Cut Through Venture report
Whether the reduction in deal numbers is a warning sign — or just evidence of where the market is going globally
The ongoing instability in software investment, in Australia and beyond
How AI is changing the venture capital landscape
China’s ambitions in AI
Australia’s position in the AI boom between the US and China.

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.
Stand-in host James Hennessy sits down with Capital Brief's journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.
Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/
Sign up to our free weekly newsletter, The Edition: https://www.capitalbrief.com/newsletters/the-edition/

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Anthropic's Australian ambitions

Thursday, July 9, 2026 • Duration 24:47

AI giant Anthropic is circling Australia, with reports suggesting it is looking to secure a massive amount of data centre capacity Down Under. That has kicked off a cycle of debate about what companies will build those data centres, whether copyright reform will be needed, and the biggest question of all: is this good for Australia?
We discuss:

The leaked request for proposal which revealed Anthropic's Australian plans
The shares that popped on the news
The uncertainty over whether Anthropic plans to train new models here
A counterintuitive take on the copyright reform debate
Why former industry minister Ed Husic is a skeptical voice
The growing data centre backlash in Australia
How the global markets are feeling about the AI boom

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.
Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.
Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEST: ⁠
https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/
Sign up to our free weekday newsletter, The Edition: ⁠
https://www.capitalbrief.com/newsletters/the-edition/

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The KPMG whistleblower scandal

Thursday, July 2, 2026 • Duration 23:06

KPMG's whistleblower scandal has snowballed into a reckoning for the Big Four. A number of senior executives have resigned. Lendlease has ended its 68 year old relationship with the firm. Government departments, including the Reserve Bank of Australia and the Australian National Audit Office have put their contracts with the firm for its own whistleblower service under review. Now, Assistant Treasurer Daniel Mulino is weighing tougher rules for the sector.

We discuss:

KPMG's whistleblower scandal and the parliamentary testimony that took it to the next level.
The cascading resignations and client losses, including the RBA, ATO and Australian National Audit Office dropping KPMG's FairCall service.
Are Australia's whistleblower protection laws strong enough?
The role of external law firms Ashurst and Allens in KPMG's internal investigations.
The callback to PwC’s tax scandal and EY allegations over the Prime Minister's bank details and what they say about cultural issues across the Big Four.
Assistant Treasurer Daniel Mulino's consultation paper and the case for splitting audit from consulting.

On The Call is a weekly live conversation with the Capital Brief newsroom on the stories driving the agenda in Australia's centres of power.

Host Harshdeep Kaur sits down with Capital Brief's best journalists to dissect what we're watching and why it matters, and answer questions from our subscribers live.

Subscribe to join our weekly live discussion on Thursdays at 12pm AEDT: https://www.capitalbrief.com/on-the-call/

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