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Episode 74: Carrying a Language Home with Gil Jackson
Season 4 · Episode 74
Friday, June 26, 2026 • Duration 52:45
Episode 74: Carrying a Language Home with Gil Jackson
Episode Description What does it mean to be so connected to a place that even your name carries it? Gil Jackson, known by the Cherokee name Dohi, meaning outside or outdoors, was born in Robbinsville, North Carolina in 1951 and today lives on 30 acres just 200 yards from the spot where he came into the world. He is a fluent Cherokee speaker, one of roughly 130 left, an elder of the Snowbird community, and an educator who has taught at Stanford, UNC Asheville, and Duke. In 2014, he thru-hiked all 2,200 miles of the Appalachian Trail, walking in part to honor his ancestors on the Trail of Tears. In this conversation, Gil takes Josh inside a tight-knit upbringing built on Gadugi, the Cherokee construct of community, where neighbors came together to cut wood, harvest crops, and care for anyone in need. He explains why family kept him rooted in Western North Carolina even when opportunity called him elsewhere, how a community school preserved the language while the wider world pushed assimilation, and why Cherokee is considered one of the ten hardest languages in the world. They also talk about why Gil keeps walking. From a 48-mile day in the Great Smoky Mountains to the ladder-strewn West Coast Trail on Vancouver Island, his adventures are less about conquering anything and more about seeing the creator's creation. Most of all, this is a story about a race against time: preserving a language, the knowledge of medicinal plants, and the sacred sites that risk being lost before the next generation can carry them forward. Episode Highlights • 00:00 A name that means outdoors, and a home built 200 yards from where he was born • 02:00 The Cherokee tradition of burying the umbilical cord to connect a child to the land • 05:00 Why family kept him rooted in Western North Carolina despite chances to leave • 06:00 Growing up in 1950s Snowbird: one gravel road, one light bulb per room, no TV • 08:00 Gadugi explained: the community coming together to help in times of need • 13:00 An aunt's middle-class home, new clothes, and the family that raised him • 21:00 Selling moss for 25 cents a pound to buy a guitar he still owns • 22:00 A community school that taught English while protecting the Cherokee language • 24:00 Only about 130 fluent speakers left, and losing two and a half each month • 27:00 What makes Cherokee one of the ten hardest languages in the world • 29:00 Degrees in education, administration, and planning, and leading a language immersion school • 33:00 How Cherokee end-of-life traditions have changed over a lifetime • 35:00 Finding the therapeutic in streams, trees, and birdsong • 39:00 Why he thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2014 to honor the Trail of Tears • 43:00 The brutal West Coast Trail on Vancouver Island, with 100 ladders and 10 hours for six miles • 45:00 A tense night cooking near foraging bears in Virginia • 46:00 A trail family of five speaking four languages, all wanting to learn Cherokee • 53:00 Losing the knowledge of edible and medicinal plants, and the sacred sites that hold the stories • 57:00 Rapid-fire: Gvgeyu (I love you), favorite sunrises, beloved teachers, and the White Mountains About Gil Jackson Gil Jackson (Dohi) is a fluent Cherokee speaker, elder of the Snowbird community in Robbinsville, North Carolina, and a lifelong educator who has taught at Stanford, UNC Asheville, and Duke and served as principal of a Cherokee language immersion school. He remains committed to preserving the Cherokee language, traditional plant knowledge, and the region's sacred sites, and is an avid long-distance hiker who thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2014. Connect with the On Adventure Podcast Hosted by Josh Self, financial advisor and everyday explorer. • Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and all major streaming platforms • Follow on Instagram for short-form clips and behind-the-scenes content • Connect on Facebook: On Adventure Podcast with Josh Self • Connect on LinkedIn: Josh Self • If this episode resonated with you, leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it
Episode 73: Running is Life with Aaron Saft
Season 4 · Episode 73
Friday, June 12, 2026 • Duration 01:06:51
ON ADVENTURE PODCAST | EPISODE 73
Episode 73: Running is Life with Aaron Saft
As a species, we only do things if there is truly a reward on the other side. So when the reward is pain, struggle, suffering, and danger, what exactly keeps driving us back out the door?
Aaron Saft has spent his life chasing that answer. A five-time ACC champion at NC State whose teams finished third at the NCAA Cross Country Championships, he traded the track for the trail, ran his first 100-miler in 2016, and has since become one of the most experienced ultrarunners in the Southeast. Today he coaches roughly 75 athletes full-time through his Running Is Life platform and podcast, a business he deliberately renamed from "MR Running Pains" because he believes running, done right, should bring as much joy as it does suffering.
His résumé reads like a bucket list for the sport: the Grand Slam of Ultrarunning, the Bigfoot 200, Hardrock, Leadville, UTMB, and the Tor des Géants in the Italian Alps, where a fall, a head injury, and a watchful medic ended his race. He has finished a 100-miler while spiking a 100-degree fever, outrun a mother grizzly and her cubs in Canada, and learned the hard way when to push and when to stop. But ask Aaron why he does it and he won't point to a trophy. He'll point to the upside-down photo of his family pinned to his quad, the one he looks down at in the darkest miles to remember who he is suffering for.
In this conversation, Josh and Aaron trace the many forms the "why" can take. They dig into presence, learning to run a hundred miles one mile at a time, and the moment an empty drop bag at Leadville taught Aaron everything he needed to know about the generosity of the trail community. They talk about the one question you never ask an ultrarunner, the evolution from chasing a place to simply chasing the finish line, why legacy is something children catch rather than something we teach, and how an abundance mindset shaped the coaching practice he built from the ground up. It is a conversation for every everyday explorer about doing the hard things that make life fuller, right now, not someday.
Episode Highlights
• 06:00 The Terry Foxworth connection and the heart of On Adventure: the reward beneath the suffering
Episode 64: Adventure, Spirituality, and the Search for Something Bigger with Reed Dunn
Season 3 · Episode 64
Monday, December 15, 2025 • Duration 01:03:34
In today's episode—the first in a brand-new series exploring the deeper meaning behind our outdoor experiences—I sit down with my longtime friend, pastor, everyday explorer, and deep thinker, Reed Dunn, for one of the most meaningful conversations I've had on this podcast. This first installment leans less on adrenaline and more on the why—why we're drawn to the outdoors, why hardship shapes us, and why so many of us pursue experiences that push us into awe, wonder, and transcendence.
Reed and I dig into the spiritual side of adventure—what it means to connect with something beyond ourselves, whether you call that God or a higher power. We unpack the way wilderness confronts our limits, how beauty can shake us awake, and why disciplines of "no" might be more important today than ever. And of course, we talk about Reed's years of backpacking, his favorite place in the world, and the moments that have stayed with him long after the trip ended.
⏱️ Timeline Summary
Here are the top moments from the episode:
[00:16:00] – Kicking off the conversation: why I wanted Reed on the show and how his story fits into "the meaning side" of adventure. [00:26:00] – Reed's early backpacking years—Colorado, Arkansas, the Buffalo River Trail, and how those experiences shaped him. [00:35:00] – The memory of his favorite place on earth: a glacial lake, seven waterfalls, and the power of remembering without a camera. [00:36:00] – A deep dive into spirituality: what it means to connect with transcendence, how nature becomes a pathway, and why anyone—regardless of belief—can access it. [00:46:00] – Religion vs. spirituality: Reed breaks down the difference between learning about God and meeting God—and why both matter. [01:13:00] – Exploring hardship, asceticism, and the spiritual importance of limitation. Why "telling yourself no" opens doors to meaning. [01:22:00] – The connection between ancient spiritual practices, desert monks, and modern adventurers who push themselves to the edge in search of something more.
Episode 63: Walking Into a New Life - How a 100+ Pound Transformation Led to Ultra Endurance Success with Lisa Decker
Season 3 · Episode 63
Friday, November 28, 2025 • Duration 53:22
In this episode of the On Adventure Podcast, I sit down with ultra-endurance athlete Lisa Decker, whose story is a powerful blend of resilience, transformation, and the relentless pursuit of hard things. Lisa didn't come from a traditional running background—yet she discovered the world of ultra running through community, curiosity, and a willingness to push herself beyond her comfort zone. What followed is a decade-long journey that includes a 120-pound weight-loss transformation, countless ultras, and the life-changing experience of completing the legendary Vol State 500K across Tennessee.
We dive deep into what motivates someone to walk 314 miles in the July heat, how finding the right community can unlock new levels of confidence, and why endurance challenges often lead to profound personal growth. This episode is packed with insight about mental toughness, identity shifts, overcoming self-doubt, and discovering what you're really capable of when you take that first step—literally.
If you're searching for inspiration, endurance storytelling, personal transformation, or insights about long-distance running and mindset, this episode delivers.
⏱️ Timeline Highlights
[2:15] – Lisa's early life in California, her outdoors-focused upbringing, and how nature shaped her love of adventure. [6:40] – Discovering the trail and ultra running community through Team RWB and why it instantly felt like "home." [14:30] – How she balances 10-hour pharmacy shifts with ultra training, and why walking ultras became her key to success. [17:45] – The unexpected moment on the Vol State ferry that led to forming a five-person pack and transforming the entire race experience. [23:10] – Kind strangers, roadside hospitality, skunk encounters, and what surprised her most during the 500K journey run. [28:40] – Doing ultras while overweight, finishing last, and why showing up anyway built the foundation for her transformation. [36:50] – The mental battle of "head trash," the power of community support, and why being honest about struggles matters. – Future adventure goals, including walking the Caminos in Europe and exploring the world on foot. – How endurance sports shifted her personal identity, career goals, and even her vision for where she wants to live next.
Episode 62: From Ultras to FKT's to Ocean Crossings: You Won't Believe What Mike Wardian's Doing Next!
Season 3 · Episode 62
Friday, November 14, 2025 • Duration 49:31
What happens when you stop waiting for permission and start chasing wild, audacious goals? That's exactly what we unpack in this powerhouse episode with Mike Wardian—elite endurance athlete, record-setting runner, and all-around inspiration. From running across the United States to setting a fastest known time (FKT) on the Appalachian Trail for his age group, Mike shares the mindset behind tackling the unimaginable.
But this conversation goes beyond races and records. Mike opens up about what fuels his drive, how he builds resilience through repetition, and how he balances his career, family, and love for adventure. Whether you're prepping for your first 10K or dreaming of rowing solo across the Atlantic (yep, that's on his calendar too), there's something here for everyone chasing big goals.
🔥 What You'll Learn
How Mike plans his insane endurance calendar using a Post-it Note system
The real story behind his Appalachian Trail record attempt — injuries, storms, and mental toughness
Why he's trading trails for water in 2027: rowing across the Atlantic solo
How to push through when motivation runs dry — the power of micro-goals
Mike's approach to family, business, and adventure life balance
What he's learned about humanity and resilience from running thousands of miles
🏆 Featured Moments
[1:04] – Mike's "goal list" strategy for setting and sticking to ambitious challenges [4:58] – What is the Taco Bell 50K and the Full Ham Triathlon? (Hint: They're tougher than they sound) [6:55] – Why Mike's next adventure is rowing solo across the Atlantic Ocean [9:02] – The difference between saying yes to challenges and actively seeking them out [15:45] – Why the Appalachian Trail holds a special place in Mike's heart [23:10] – Trail injuries, vegan nutrition, and how Mike fueled himself with 10,000 calories a day [32:45] – How Mike balances a full-time career and family life while pursuing ultra-endurance feats [39:01] – The truth about running across America—traffic, kindness, loneliness, and everything in between [45:40] – Why 100 burpees a day became a key part of Mike's training routine
🧠 Listener Takeaways 📌 Links & Resources 👏 Connect with Us
Episode 61: Why Adventurers Quit - 3 Mental Traps and How to Beat Them with Vol State 500K Finisher MAJ (Ret.) Vincent Antunez
Season 3 · Episode 61
Sunday, November 2, 2025 • Duration 01:00:19
Enduring the Impossible with Vincent Antunez
This episode is a deep dive into the mind and mission of Vincent Antunez, DSc, PA-C - a retired U.S. Army Major, ultra endurance athlete, and founder of Trail Toes. From grueling military deployments to multi-day ultramarathons across the globe, Vincent shares how pain, persistence, and preparation have shaped every step of his journey.
We talk about what it takes to push beyond the limits of your body - and more importantly, your mind. Vincent shares raw, powerful stories of suffering and success on the course, the lessons that endurance sports teach about humility and resilience, and the gear and mindset strategies that keep him (and his feet) moving forward. This one is packed with wisdom from the front lines - of both battlefields and ultramarathons.
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⏱️ Episode Timeline:
[1:12] - How Vincent met ultrarunning legend Lisa Smith-Batchen — and helped her complete her historic Badwater Quad [3:44] - A military career across decades and continents [6:57] - How a post-midnight beer run in Germany accidentally became his first marathon [11:42] - Why he keeps showing up, even without formal training [13:58] - The 3 reasons people drop out of ultras (and how to beat them) [20:31] - Innovative tips for staying cool and blister-free on brutal courses [24:49] - Trail Toes and how Vincent created it in Afghanistan [38:11] - The psychology of endurance: crews, quitting, and the right kind of pressure [52:05] - Why Vincent keeps coming back to these events — and what they continue to teach him
Episode 60: Inside the Mind of Speed Records, Failure, and Firearms with Tom Kubiniec
Season 3 · Episode 60
Friday, October 17, 2025 • Duration 01:10:46
How do you embrace fear and failure to build a multi million dollar business, shred heavy metal guitar solos and break land speed records in a custom built car?
In this episode of the On Adventure Podcast, I sit down with Tom Kubiniec—entrepreneur, former heavy metal guitarist, and the so-called "gun storage guru." From his days tearing up the music scene to building a global business in military weapon storage, Tom's journey is one wild ride. We dive deep into what it means to stake a claim in life before you've "earned it," why failure should be embraced (and quickly), and how creativity fuels not just business, but bold living.
A killer insight from Tom: "You don't know where you're going to land until you jump. As you're falling, you will find a place to land. If you're not happy with that one, jump again."
We also explore his adrenaline-pumping pursuits: restoring rare cars, racing across the Utah salt flats, and finding peace in silence while bow hunting. This episode is about pushing limits, whether in the boardroom, behind a guitar, or out in the wild. If you're looking for inspiration to go all-in on your ideas or just want a reminder of how short life is, this one hits home.
Episode Highlights:
[1:12] - Tom's journey from unknown rock guitarist to global leader in military gun storage
[6:05] - The pivotal moment of "claiming" expertise before it was proven—and why it worked
[13:25] - How public speaking and guitar technique both benefit from slow, intentional practice
[17:00] - Fail fast: Why Tom says failure is not the enemy but the pathway to innovation
[25:55] - The birth of a game-changing locking system after a live simulation revealed a major flaw
[33:02] - Creating personas in business and why it's not about being fake—it's about solving problems
Episode 59: What Does it Take to Be Great with Lisa Smith-Batchen
Season 3 · Episode 59
Friday, October 3, 2025 • Duration 01:01:48
What does greatness look like? Is it talent, time, or something deeper? In this episode, I sit down with endurance legend and master coach Lisa Smith-Batchen to explore what greatness really means - and how it evolves as we do. With over four decades of coaching and ultra-running behind her, Lisa shares a wisdom-packed perspective on pushing limits, aging with intention, and chasing big dreams, no matter where you're starting.
Lisa is the first American to win the grueling Marathon des Sables and the first woman to have completed the Badwater Quad - covering 584 miles across Death Valley! She's run across multiple states for charity, completed a 50-mile ultra in every state, and raised over $1 million for orphanages and clean water projects. But what's just as remarkable is how grounded, present, and purpose-driven she remains through it all.
We dig into the transformative power of endurance sports—not just physically, but mentally and spiritually. Lisa opens up about what keeps her coming back to extreme challenges, the emotional shifts that come with aging as an athlete, and how learning to put yourself first might just be the most radical move of all. Whether you're training for your first 5K or simply trying to show up fully in life, this one's for you.
🕓 Timeline Highlights
[3:55] – Lisa's 20-year coaching journey with Bob Becker and the bond beyond the miles [6:45] – Getting cut from the team—and how it shaped her coaching philosophy [9:25] – Breaking records and barriers: Badwater Quad, 50 ultras in 50 states, and running for causes [12:15] – The path from average to good to great: Lisa's simple but powerful growth model [17:49] – Embracing evolution: letting go of who you were to step into who you're becoming [29:01] – A moment at mile 132 that changed Bob Becker's mindset—and maybe yours too [34:00] – Why making time for yourself isn't selfish—it's essential [41:15] – What keeps Lisa coming back to the edge of endurance: joy, clarity, and spiritual connection [57:22] – Guiding a blind and deaf athlete through 140 miles—Lisa's next adventure
Episode 58: How to run through Death Valley in July at age 80 with Bob Becker
Season 3 · Episode 58
Friday, September 19, 2025 • Duration 01:10:11
In this captivating episode of On Adventure, I sit down with the legendary Bob Becker - ultramarathoner, race director, and age-defying adventurer - to unpack his incredible journey from late-blooming runner to becoming the oldest finisher of the Badwater 135, one of the world's toughest ultramarathons.
At 80 years old, Bob proves that it's never too late to rewrite your story, conquer deserts, and inspire generations. Whether you're an aspiring endurance athlete, race organizer, or simply someone looking for motivation to stay active, this episode delivers.
🕓 Timestamps & Topics Covered
[00:04:00] Introduction – Welcoming Bob Becker and setting the stage.
[00:06:00] Late Bloomer in Running – Bob started serious running at 57!
[00:07:30] First Ultra: Marathon des Sables – 150-mile Sahara race to celebrate turning 60.
[00:09:00] Why Ultras? – The deep camaraderie and the life-changing community.
[00:13:00] Training Without Mountains – How Bob trains for elevation in flat Florida.
[00:18:30] From Running to Race Directing – Launching the iconic Keys 100 and Daytona 100 races.
[00:23:00] Life After Real Estate – How Bob turned adversity during the financial crisis into purpose.
[00:27:00] Jungle Racing in the Everglades – Creating and running a now-legendary trail race.
[00:34:00] Enduring Support – His wife's unique but wholehearted support.
[00:38:00] Intergenerational Adventure – Racing with his granddaughter.
[00:39:30] Movement as Medicine – Encouraging older adults to "just start moving."
[00:40:00] Nutrition & Heat Strategy – Vegan lifestyle and fueling for the long haul.
[00:47:00] Inside Badwater 135 – The heat, the altitude, the brutal beauty.
[00:54:00] History in the Making – Becoming the oldest finisher in Badwater history.
🏆 Key Takeaways ✨ Notable Quotes 🔗 Connect with Bob Becker
Episode 57: Barefoot Running, the Badwater Double FKT, and Chasing the Grid with Ken Posner
Season 3 · Episode 57
Friday, September 5, 2025 • Duration 01:14:19
In this episode of the On Adventure Podcast, I sit down with Ken Posner—ultrarunner, author, former Army Ranger, and corporate financial analyst—to explore the transformative power of pushing physical and mental boundaries. Ken shares stories from his extraordinary journey completing the "grid": summiting all 35 high peaks of New York's Catskills in every month of the year. Along the way, he stripped away technology, embraced barefoot running, and found a deeper connection with nature and himself.
This episode isn't just about extreme endurance. It's about rediscovering who we are when the noise of the modern world fades away. We unpack how doing hard things in nature can bring clarity, strength, and a more balanced life. Whether you're curious about barefoot hiking, intrigued by minimalist living, or seeking inspiration to shake up your own routine, Ken's story will move you.
Timeline Summary:
[2:22] - Ken's shift from corporate life to ultra endurance running in his late 30s [4:00] - Why he started running barefoot and what kept him going [7:45] - The joy, mindfulness, and sensation of barefoot movement [10:10] - Balancing high-tech corporate work with minimalist, analog outdoor living [19:00] - The metaphor of "signal vs. noise" and how nature helps us tune in [28:30] - Pain vs. suffering: building resilience through chosen challenges [35:00] - The Badwater Double: a 292-mile journey through Death Valley and back [47:30] - How the mountains called him at age 50 and led to chasing the grid [54:00] - The spiritual and transformative lessons learned through mountain pilgrimages
• Training for the Uphill Athlete, the team's recent book study and a foundational training manual
• Races referenced: Grindstone 100, Mountain Masochist 50, Hellgate 100K, Western States, Leadville 100, Wasatch 100, Hardrock 100, UTMB, the Bigfoot 200, the Tor des Géants, the Cocodona 250, and the Ouray 100
• Gear note: the Altra Lone Peak 9+ with the Vibram outsole
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Josh's free resource for everyday explorers is packed with practical insights on planning for any adventure, big or small, minimizing trail waste along the way (yes, that means taxes), and living with confidence toward whatever is most meaningful to you. It also includes key takeaways from recent On Adventure guests to help inspire your next steps.
Locations discussed: Colorado trail systems, Buffalo River Trail (AR), Wind River Range (WY), Appalachian Trail (ME/NH section)
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🙌 Closing Remark
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Thanks for listening, and keep living your adventure on purpose.
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[39:45] - Breaking a land speed record with a 750cc custom car: the build, the danger, the payoff
[44:00] - Why silence in the woods and watching a forest wake up is Tom's ultimate reset
[54:10] - Final reflections on living fully, embracing fear, and making the most of the one life we get
Closing Remarks: If this conversation with Tom fired you up to take bold steps in your own adventure, make sure to follow the podcast so you never miss an episode. And if you enjoyed this one, rate, review, and share it with a friend who's ready to make their move.
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This episode offers far more than endurance talk—it's a blueprint for living with purpose, courage, and connection. If it struck a chord with you, be sure to subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen. And don't forget - head to our YouTube page to subscribe and watch the full conversation. We've got more powerful stories coming your way, so stay tuned and stay on adventure.
[01:00:00] Mental Grit – Mantras, bear crawls, and mindset hacks.
[01:05:00] Lessons from the Trail – What Bob's learned from every finish line.
🧠 Age is not a limitation – Bob didn't start running seriously until his late 50s.
🌱 Vegan athlete – Nutrition was key to training, racing, and recovery.
🥵 Badwater veteran – 6x Badwater runner; oldest finisher at age 80.
🛠️ Creative training methods – Pulling tires across bridges to simulate hills.
💪 Mental strength over miles – Bear crawled the last mile of Badwater in 2022.
🧡 Inspiring generations – Encourages others, especially seniors, to stay active.
"If someone else can do it, why can't I?" – Bob Becker
"The finish line is glorious. It's a bragging right you carry forever."
"You're never too old to start moving. Start walking, gardening - just move."
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