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Of This World

Nick Tabor and Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins

Religion & Spirituality

Society & Culture

Frequency: 1 episode/19d. Total Eps: 11

Of This World is a podcast dedicated to discussing religion and politics. Co-hosts Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins, a historian at Wesleyan University, and Nick Tabor, a journalist and author, talk with scholars, writers, and theologians working at the seam between faith and the secular. Across each episode they return to one question: can there be an effective religious left in the United States? A joint production with Commonweal magazine.

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The Church Against Empire: A Conversation with Historian Greg Grandin

Episode 11

Thursday, July 16, 2026 • Duration 01:00:58

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with historian Greg Grandin about his new book, America, América: A New History of the New World (Penguin Press), and his recent essay, “The Education of Pope Leo XIV,” which ran in the New York Review of Books.

Following one thread through the book, they discuss Catholicism in the New World—how the conquest carried “the terms of its own negation”; Bartolomé de las Casas and the roots of a universalist humanism; Octavio Paz on the “place in the cosmos” that colonial Catholicism offered the conquered; liberation theology as “a reaction to a reaction,” and why the Catholic Church under Pope Leo XIV may be the only global force capable of offering a moral challenge to Trumpism.

Episode production by Seven Morris. Original music by Joel Myers.

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The Many Faces of Evangelicalism: A Conversation with Historian Joseph Slaughter

Episode 10

Tuesday, June 23, 2026 • Duration 53:05

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with historian Joseph Slaughter, assistant professor of history at Wesleyan University, about why so many evangelicals support Donald Trump—and why the word "evangelical" may no longer mean what it once did. Together, they trace three competing definitions of evangelicalism—doctrinal, cultural, and political—and how the political one increasingly overrides the other two. They discuss the mainstreaming of Pentecostalism, the "seven mountains" dominionism that now unites prosperity-gospel televangelists with hardline Calvinists, the fading of old disqualifications for Catholic and Mormon candidates, and where a conservative Christian resistance to Trumpism still stands.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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Korean Messiah: A Conversation with Journalist Jonathan Cheng

Episode 9

Tuesday, June 16, 2026 • Duration 54:01

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with journalist Jonathan Cheng, China bureau chief for The Wall Street Journal, about his new book, Korean Messiah: Kim Il Sung and the Christian Roots of North Korea's Personality Cult (Knopf). Together, they trace Kim Il-sung's upbringing in Pyongyang - once known as the "Jerusalem of the East", and how a Presbyterian Sunday school teacher and church organist drifted from Wilsonian Christian nationalism toward Leninism, then built a cult of personality that borrowed the forms of the faith he left behind: hymnals, weekly public confession, sacralized scripture, and Ten Principles his own people came to call the Ten Commandments. They also weigh how much of this was conscious design, what sets Kim apart from Stalin and Mao, and what his "Kimilsungism" suggests about the entanglement of religion and politics in our own moment.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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Pope Leo XIV: A Conversation with Journalist Elise Ann Allen

Episode 8

Thursday, May 21, 2026 • Duration 54:06

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with journalist Elise Ann Allen, the Rome correspondent for Crux, about her new book, (Penguin Random House). Together, they discuss how Allen came to know then-Bishop Robert Prevost while investigating an abuse scandal in Peru, the formative decades he spent as a missionary amid poverty, terrorism, and political upheaval there, the influence of Augustinian spirituality and liberation theology on his social conscience, and how his instincts for unity and peacemaking are shaping a papacy that, as his recent trip to Africa revealed, is only beginning to find its voice.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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Minnesota, Mamdani, and Iran—A Conversation with Kambiz GhaneaBassiri

Episode 7

Thursday, May 7, 2026 • Duration 52:09

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with historian of Islam Kambiz GhaneaBassiri, professor of religion at Carleton College and author of A History of Islam in America: From the New World to the New World Order (Cambridge University Press), which examines Muslim political life in Trump’s America.

In this episode, the three discuss the grassroots faith-based coalition behind Zohran Mamdani’s mayoral victory in New York, the Muslim community’s response to ICE raids in Minnesota and its roots in post-9/11 organizing, and what the war in Iran reveals about a regional politics driven more by the interests of billionaires and Gulf states than by the lives of ordinary people across the Middle East.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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The Great Global Transformation: A Conversation with Economist Branko Milanović

Episode 6

Tuesday, April 21, 2026 • Duration 42:35

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with economist Branko Milanović, senior scholar at the CUNY Graduate Center, about his new book, The Great Global Transformation: The United States, China, and the Remaking of the World Economic Order (University of Chicago Press). Together, they discuss the end of the neoliberal era, the rise of what Milanović calls "national market liberalism," the economic and geopolitical consequences of a multipolar world, and what the greatest reshuffling of global incomes since the Industrial Revolution means for the future of capitalism.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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The Black Church and Progressive Politics: A Conversation with Gary Dorrien

Episode 5

Thursday, March 26, 2026 • Duration 01:10:45

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with Gary Dorrien, professor at Columbia University and Union Theological Seminary, about the life and legacy of Jesse Jackson and the Black social gospel tradition. They explore Dorrien's own intellectual journey from rural Michigan to the academy, his groundbreaking trilogy on the Black social gospel, Jackson's relationship with Martin Luther King Jr., the Rainbow Coalition presidential campaigns of the 1980s, and what Jackson's career reveals about the enduring ties between the Black church and progressive politics.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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On the Altar: A Conversation with Historian Jonathan Sheehan

Episode 4

Friday, March 6, 2026 • Duration 42:34

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with Jonathan Sheehan, professor of European History at UC Berkeley, about his new book On the Altar: A History of Sacrifice from the Sacred to the Secular (Princeton University Press). They explore the long, contested history of Christian sacrifice from the early church and the cult of the martyrs through the Reformation and into the secular modern world, and discuss what the language of sacrifice might still offer us today.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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Revelation and Reporting: A Conversation with Journalist Daniel Silliman

Episode 3

Monday, February 23, 2026 • Duration 55:03

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor chat with reporter Daniel Silliman about his tenure at Christianity Today, his bombshell reporting on Ravi Zacharias, the current state of Evangelicals‚ and more.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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American Charisms: A Conversation with 'Spellbound' Author Molly Worthen

Episode 2

Wednesday, January 21, 2026 • Duration 49:56

Hosts and Commonweal contributors Daniel Steinmetz-Jenkins and Nick Tabor discuss Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History from the Puritans to Donald Trump with author Molly Worthen, professor of history at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

Episode production and original music by Joel Myers.

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