This podcast is part of The Quill & Sword series of podcasts created and hosted by The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School (TJAGLCS). NSL Unscripted is a national security law (NSL) practitioner’s podcast bringing conversations with NSL practitioners and leaders—in the military, government, and civilian practice, as well as discussions on emerging and hot topics. NSL Unscripted is not just your typical hot topic update podcast, though. We also bring you leadership and mentorship tips and lessons for those leading in national security law today.
The National Security Law Department (ADN) at TJAGLCS, a joint team of national security law professors and practitioners from all U.S. military services, produces this podcast. ADN is responsible for the education of judge advocates and senior Army leaders on NSL to include the law of armed conflict (LOAC). NSL practitioners interested in reviewing resources and scholarship produced by ADN should check out the Operational Law Handbook and LOAC Documentary Supplement located at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/publications. Connect with TJAGLCS by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs). ADN hopes you enjoy NSL Unscripted.
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NSL Unscripted | Episode 22 - Louboutin Lawfare: Reconceptualizing Sanctions Utility with Professor Vinita Singh
Wednesday, November 20, 2024 • Duration 41:27
In this episode, MAJ Brian Jones, Associate Professor in the National Security Law Department, talks with Professor Vinita Singh, Assistant Professor at the University of Iowa College of Law. Professor Singh shares her research on economic sanctions imposed by the United States and European Union connected with the Russia–Ukraine war. Professor Singh focuses on export controls on luxury goods, using those measures as a case study to reevaluate widespread beliefs about the effectiveness of economic sanctions. Professor Singh discusses her arguments in favor of reconceptualizing the utility of economic sanctions and proposes new paradigms for considering and measuring the success of economic sanctions.
Professor Singh’s article, Louboutin Lawfare: Exploring Conceptions of Sanctions Utility Through Export Controls on Luxury Goods, is forthcoming in the Northwestern University Law Review. It is currently available for review on SSRN here.
Learn more about The Quill & Sword series of podcasts by visiting our pod-cast page at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/thequillandsword. The Quill & Sword show includes featured episodes from across the JAGC, plus all episodes from our four separate shows: “Criminal Law Department Presents” (Criminal Law Department), “NSL Unscripted” (National Security Law Department), “The FAR and Beyond” (Contract & Fiscal Law Department) and “Hold My Reg” (Administrative & Civil Law Department). Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 21 - Big Tech in Armed Conflict Part 2
Wednesday, October 30, 2024 • Duration 27:01
This episode is part two of a two-part series which captures the live recording of a panel held at the 1st Emerging Technologies in the Law Course. In this episode, LTC(R) Laura West, Former Chair of the National Security Law De-partment, wraps up her conversation with the panelists and ends by fielding questions from the audience. Tune is as the esteemed panelists, Professor Gary Corn, Director of the Technology, Law & Security Program at American University Washington College of Law, Mr. Jonathan Horowitz, Legal Advisor at International Committee of the Red Cross-ICRC, and Mr. Matt Fussa, Trust Officer at Cisco Systems, finish the fascinating conversation they started last episode!
NSL Practitioners interested in reviewing resources and scholarship produced by ADN should check out the Operational Law Handbook and LOAC Documentary Supplement and other significant military legal resources available at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School website under publications - https://tjaglcs.army.mil/.
Learn more about The Quill & Sword series of podcasts by visiting our podcast page at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/thequillandsword. The Quill & Sword show includes featured episodes from across the JAGC, plus all episodes from our four separate shows: “Criminal Law Department Presents” (Criminal Law Department), “NSL Un-scripted” (National Security Law Department), “The FAR and Beyond” (Contract & Fiscal Law Department) and “Hold My Reg” (Administrative & Civil Law Depart-ment). Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 20 - Big Tech in Armed Conflict Part 1
Wednesday, September 25, 2024 • Duration 45:04
This episode is part one of a two-part series which captures the live recording of a panel held at the 1st Emerging Technologies in the Law Course. Moder-ated by, LTC(R) Laura West, Former Chair of the National Security Law De-partment, the panel discusses the private sector’s emerging role in current and future conflict, as well as how government practitioners should consider working alongside big tech companies in future warfare. The esteemed panel-ists, Professor Gary Corn, Director of the Technology, Law & Security Pro-gram at American University Washington College of Law, Mr. Jonathan Hor-owitz, Legal Advisor at International Committee of the Red Cross-ICRC, and Mr. Matt Fussa, Trust Officer at Cisco Systems, all provide different, expert perspectives on the increasing and complex role of big tech in conflict.
NSL Practitioners interested in reviewing resources and scholarship produced by ADN should check out the Operational Law Handbook and LOAC Documentary Supplement and other significant military legal resources available at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School website under publications - https://tjaglcs.army.mil/.
Learn more about The Quill & Sword series of podcasts by visiting our podcast page at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/thequillandsword. The Quill & Sword show includes featured episodes from across the JAGC, plus all episodes from our four separate shows: “Criminal Law Department Presents” (Criminal Law Department), “NSL Unscripted” (National Security Law Department), “The FAR and Beyond” (Contract & Fiscal Law Department) and “Hold My Reg” (Administrative & Civil Law Department). Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 19 - A Philosopher’s Take on Trust and AI with LTC Kevin Schieman
Wednesday, August 28, 2024 • Duration 44:18
In this episode, MAJ Emily Bobenrieth, Associate Professor in the National Security Law Department at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, sits down with LTC Kevin Schieman, Academy Professor at in the Department of Law and Philosophy at the United States Military Academy. As both a professor and a philosopher, LTC Schieman shares his research and insights on the relationship between trust, trustworthiness, and artificial intelligence. LTC Schieman also discusses how trusting and using these technologies impacts to command responsibility, and how understanding the technology is critical for both commanders and command advisors.
LTC Shieman’s publication mentioned in the podcast can be found here: https://philarchive.org/archive/SCHTSS-21
NSL Practitioners interested in reviewing resources and scholarship produced by ADN should check out the Operational Law Handbook and LOAC Documentary Supplement and other significant military legal resources available at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School website under publications.
Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 18 - A Discussion on “Secret Law” with Professor Dakota Rudesill of Ohio State Moritz College of Law
Wednesday, July 24, 2024 • Duration 41:48
In this episode, LTC Dan Maurer sits down with Dakota Rudesill, Associate Professor of Law at Ohio State’s Moritz College of Law. During this episode, Professor Rudesill discusses his in-depth study of “secret law,” from classified executive branch policy and pseudo-binding opinions by the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel in times of armed conflict to the proliferation of classified statutes and their annexes since the 1970s. Wide-ranging, the conversation touches on the historical prevalence of secret law, reasons for its growth, how courts address it, how to reconcile it with democratic norms, and his recommendations for responsible reform.
NSL Practitioners interested in reviewing resources and scholarship produced by ADN should check out the Operational Law Handbook and LOAC Documentary Supplement and other significant military legal resources available at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School website under publications.
Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 17 – Government Accountability for the Use of AI with UVA Professor Ashley Deeks
Wednesday, June 26, 2024 • Duration 52:36
This episode features Maj Fabiani Duarte, Associate Professor in the National Security Law Department at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, interviewing Ashley Deeks, UVA Law School Professor and recent White House associate counsel and deputy legal adviser to the National Security Council. In this episode, Professor Deeks discusses Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the military and the U.S. Executive branch with Maj Duarte. They also discuss Professor Deeks’ forthcoming publication, The Double Black Box: National Security, Artificial Intelligence, and the Struggle for Democratic Accountability which discusses the increasing reliance on AI by Executive branch agencies like the Department of Defense and CIA and how to hold the Executive branch accountable for the use of AI tools and machine-learning (ML) systems in high-risk national security settings. The “double black box” problem that Professor Deeks identifies is the customary secrecy of much of the business of the Executive branch, coupled with the opaque nature of AI/ML tools themselves, significantly complicating democratic oversight and accountability. Professor Deeks presents several potential solutions to help better govern AI tools employed by the U.S. government and also weighs in on the global AI agreements. The discussion also delves into Professor Deeks’ career working for the National Security Council, the State Department, and her current work as a law professor.
Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 16 - A Conversation between Dr. Jill Goldenziel and LtCol Grant McDowell on Lawfare
Wednesday, May 8, 2024 • Duration 25:33
This episode features LtCol Grant McDowell, Acting-Chair, National Security Law Department at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, interviewing Dr. Jill Goldenziel, Professor, National Defense University-College of Information and Cyberspace. In this episode, Dr. Goldenziel discusses the often-debated topic of Lawfare with LtCol McDowell. They touch upon many areas during their conversation including the definitions of Lawfare, current efforts in the US to counter-Lawfare, activities by US partner-nations and competitors in the Lawfare sphere, suggest possible ways forward for US strategy, and provide recommendations on materials and readings on how NSL practioners can better prepare themselves when encountering this area of the law.
NSL Unscripted | Episode 15 – Lt Gen (Ret.) John “Jack” Shanahan discusses artificial intelligence (AI)
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 • Duration 36:14
In this episode, CPT Brandon Pugh sits down with Lt Gen (Ret.) John “Jack” Shanahan an expert in the artificial intelligence (AI) field to discuss AI. In his final assignment he served as the inaugural Director of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) Joint Artificial Center (JAIC). During this episode, Lt Gen (Ret.) Shanahan discusses how he became the DoD’s lead on AI, standing up Project Maven as the director, the process of introducing AI into the DoD, and AI ethics in the DoD including DoD Directive 3000.09 Autonomy in Weapon Systems. The episode ends with Lt Gen (Ret.) Shanahan discussing the future of AI and potential legislation that may be proposed.
NSL Practitioner's interested in reviewing resources and scholarship produced by ADN should check out the Operational Law Handbook and LOAC Documentary Supplement and other significant military legal resources available at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School website under publications.
Connect with The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/ or on Facebook (tjaglcs), Instagram (tjaglcs), or LinkedIn (school/tjaglcs).
NSL Unscripted | Episode 14 – Surveillance Law and the Quantum Internet with LTC Mike Lebowitz
Wednesday, December 20, 2023 • Duration 18:21
In this episode, Major Keoni Medici, former Associate Professor in the National Security Law Department (ADN) at The Judge Advocate General's Legal Center and School (TJAGLCS) interviews Lieutenant Colonel Michael Lebowitz, ADN Adjunct Professor and expert in the law that governs cyberspace. LTC Lebowitz discusses his research surrounding gaps in existing electronic surveillance laws and how the future quantum internet will outpace the law. LTC Lebowitz predicts that if not proactively addressed, these legal shortcomings will have a significant impact on U.S. national security.
His article is titled “What Happens When the Packets Go Away? How the Quantum Internet Will Diminish Electronic Surveillance Programs and Change Cybersecurity Forever.” The article is published in print and online formats by the Boston University Journal of Science & Technology Law.
NSL Unscripted | Episode 13 – The Climate Crises and U.S. National Security with Mark Nevitt
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 • Duration 29:14
This episode features Major Emily Bobenrieth, Associate Professor, National Security Law Department at The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, interviewing Professor Mark Nevitt of Emory Law School, to discuss the impact of climate change on U.S. national security. As one of the leading experts at the intersection of the climate crisis’ impact on U.S. national security and stability, Professor Nevitt labels this unconventional threat as both a “threat accelerant” and a “catalyst for conflict.” Professor Nevitt explains how existing domestic legal framework works to protect DoD assets and infrastructure from rising sea levels and catastrophic weather events. The discussion ends with how environmental factors have profoundly impacted the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Professor Nevitt discusses points from two of his recent publications linked here: https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/nulr_online/335/ ; https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4589536
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