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201: Drew Holcomb: All My Money Is in the Memory Bank24 Mar 202500:48:29

”The scarcity of life is what gives it value,” says singer-songwriter Drew Holcomb. “If we all lived forever, there would be no sort of rush to love and rush to justice and rush to mercy and rush to know people.”

 Drew’s new album, Memory Bank, co-created with his wife Ellie, is full of personal stories of love, resilience, mortality, and a strong but subtle social conscience. It was his father that inspired the title track on the album saying on their frequent family road trips that “ hope you guys don't expect to inherit anything. I put all my money in the memory bank.” Drew reflects on the impact this perspective has had on him, his art, and his faith.

 Drew and Lee also share their excitement about going on tour together this spring, along with Malcolm Gladwell, for No Small Endeavor: Live.


 Show Notes

 Resources:

 Drew’s website

 "The Last Sweet Mile" by Allen Levi

 

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss

 Russ Taff: Music, Addiction, and Redemption

 Clay Hobbs: The Wisdom of Numbering Your Days


 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link


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200: Unabridged Interview: Jacques Pépin21 Mar 202501:02:26

This is our unabridged interview with Jacques Pépin.


 “Food is the great equalizer.”

 This is the mantra that has fueled the career of Jacques Pépin, who is respected as one of the finest chefs in the world. It has led him to cook for presidents and in world-class restaurants, and inspired him to write over thirty books.

 In this episode, he explains the role food plays in a flourishing life, describing how it breaks down barriers, builds community, and recalls us to ourselves, all while describing his own journey from a small French village to international culinary fame.


Show Notes

 Resources:

 Jacques’s website

 “The French Chef” SNL sketch

 “La Technique” by Jacques Pépin

 

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Ben Cohen: Peace, Justice, Ice Cream

 Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm

 Peter Harris and Jo Swinney: A Place at the Table


 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Episode 


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196: Russ Taff: Music, Addiction, and Redemption17 Feb 202500:48:39

“I was 24 when I won my first Grammy,” says Russ Taff. “And within an hour, all the joy is gone.”

 Russ is a legend in Gospel music circles. His accolades include six Grammys, sixteen Doves, and three inductions into the GMA Hall of Fame for his work as a solo artist and a member of multiple bands. But underneath—his career, his success, and his past, almost broke him.

 In this episode, Russ gets vulnerable about his childhood trauma, his self-hatred, his alcoholism, and his long road to recovery and forgiveness.


 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Russ’s Website

 "Cover Story" by Russ Taff


 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss

 Megan Barry: Addiction, Loss, Possibility

 Ashley Cleveland: Does This Make My Butt Look Big?


 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link


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152: Earth Day Special: Climate and Society18 Apr 202400:48:45

Believe it or not, a 2020 PEW study revealed that the most polarized issue in the US is climate change.

How did we get here? How have the warnings of climate science been ignored by half the country? How serious is the climate problem, how immediate are the consequences, and what can regular people like us really do about it?

In this episode, four voices discuss the subject from all angles. We hear from cognitive scientist John Cook on the history of climate misinformation, climate researcher Katharine Hayhoe on what the science is actually saying, theologian Debra Rienstra on the ways religion impacts climate-based decisions, and activist Bill McKibben on the ways we can help here and now.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Katharine Hayhoe: The Most Polarized Issue in the United States

Debra Rienstra: Healing the Earth

Bill McKibben: The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon

Peter Harris: The Collapse of the Biosphere

Chris Doran: Hope in the Age of Climate Change

Resources mentioned this episode

2020 PEW Study on Climate Polarization

The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon by Bill McKibben

Saving Us by Katharine Hayhoe

Refugia Faith by Debra Rienstra

John Cook Interview Notes

Katharine Hayhoe Interview Notes

Debra Rienstra Interview Notes

Bill McKibben Interview Notes

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151: Unabridged Interview: Pádraig Ó Tuama16 Apr 202401:01:09

This is our unabridged interview with Pádraig Ó Tuama.

What if, to be a peacemaker, one might have to wade into trouble and stir the waters oneself? What if, to be a theologian, one might have to leave some of the most troubling questions about God unanswered? What if, to be a poet, one might have to do away with flowery abstraction and accept the nitty-gritty of real life?

Pádraig Ó Tuama, host of the podcast Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios, is all of these things - peacemaker, theologian, poet. In this episode, he shares beautiful and troubling stories from his peacemaking work in Northern Ireland, discusses why one must be ready to accept nuance as a condition for any fruitful outcome, and offers observations about the makings of a good life.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

John Dear: How to Be Nonviolent

Michael T. McRay: I Am Not Your Enemy

Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe

Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness

Resources mentioned this episode

"The Facts of Life" - Pádraig Ó Tuama

Being Here by Pádraig Ó Tuama

Sorry for Your Troubles by Pádraig Ó Tuama

Readings from the Book of Exile by Pádraig Ó Tuama

Poetry Unbound

Corrymeela’s website

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Link to Transcript for Abridged Episode

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151: Pádraig Ó Tuama: A Poet’s Work in Peace and Reconciliation (Best of NSE)11 Apr 202400:48:19

What if, to be a peacemaker, one might have to wade into trouble and stir the waters oneself? What if, to be a theologian, one might have to leave some of the most troubling questions about God unanswered? What if, to be a poet, one might have to do away with flowery abstraction and accept the nitty-gritty of real life?

Pádraig Ó Tuama, host of the podcast Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios, is all of these things - peacemaker, theologian, poet. In this episode, he shares beautiful and troubling stories from his peacemaking work in Northern Ireland, discusses why one must be ready to accept nuance as a condition for any fruitful outcome, and offers observations about the makings of a good life.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

John Dear: How to Be Nonviolent

Michael T. McRay: I Am Not Your Enemy

Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe

Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness

Resources mentioned this episode

"The Facts of Life" - Pádraig Ó Tuama

Being Here by Pádraig Ó Tuama

Sorry for Your Troubles by Pádraig Ó Tuama

Readings from the Book of Exile by Pádraig Ó Tuama

Poetry Unbound

Corrymeela’s website

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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150: Unabridged Interview: Azim Khamisa09 Apr 202401:13:48

This is our unabridged interview with Azim Khamisa.

How do you forgive the man who killed your son?

In 1995, Azim Khamisa’s only son Tariq was shot and killed while delivering a pizza. The killer was a 14-year-old gang member named Tony Hicks, and due to a recent change of law in the state of California, Tony was tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

But instead of responding with a call for outrage or revenge, Azim did the unthinkable: he forgave his son’s killer, and he fought for his release.

“My interpretation of this tragedy was that there are victims at both ends of the gun,” he says. In this episode, he tells the full story of how he uses his experience to help end youth violence, even recruiting his son’s killer to join in the work. It is one of unimaginable grief, staunch faith, and unwavering compassion.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher

Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence

Resources mentioned this episode

TKF’s website

Azim’s website

Azim’s TED Talk

Email Azim: azim@azimkhamisa.com

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Link to Transcript for Abridged Episode

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150: Azim Khamisa: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness (Best of NSE)04 Apr 202400:48:09

How do you forgive the man who killed your son?

In 1995, Azim Khamisa’s only son Tariq was shot and killed while delivering a pizza. The killer was a 14-year-old gang member named Tony Hicks, and due to a recent change of law in the state of California, Tony was tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

But instead of responding with a call for outrage or revenge, Azim did the unthinkable: he forgave his son’s killer, and he fought for his release.

“My interpretation of this tragedy was that there are victims at both ends of the gun,” he says. In this episode, he tells the full story of how he uses his experience to help end youth violence, even recruiting his son’s killer to join in the work. It is one of unimaginable grief, staunch faith, and unwavering compassion.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher

Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence

Resources mentioned this episode

TKF’s website

Azim’s website

Azim’s TED Talk

Email Azim: azim@azimkhamisa.com

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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149: Unabridged Interview: Dacher Keltner02 Apr 202400:56:50

This is our unabridged interview with Dacher Keltner.

“Brief doses…help your heart, your immune system, your stress, your reasoning, your relationships,” says psychologist and bestselling author Dacher Keltner. And believe it or not, he’s not describing some new miracle drug or medical treatment.

He’s talking about the experience of awe.

He defines awe as “the feeling we have when we encounter vast, mysterious things.” It’s something we all have experienced, but often talk about rather sheepishly. Dacher has spent considerable time seeking it out and studying it, and the results are in. In this episode, he shares his findings, and offers all the ways in which awe is a necessary component to a happy, healthy, flourishing life.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Jennifer Wiseman: How Science Produces Wonder

David Desteno: Can Religion Make You Happier?

Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress

Resources mentioned this episode

Awe by Dacher Keltner

AlanCowan.com

Ming Kuo’s 21 pathways by which nature is good for one’s health

Brian Sutton and Tammy Rogers performing “Nachstucke”

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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149: Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life28 Mar 202400:48:31

“Brief doses…help your heart, your immune system, your stress, your reasoning, your relationships,” says psychologist and bestselling author Dacher Keltner. And believe it or not, he’s not describing some new miracle drug or medical treatment.

He’s talking about the experience of awe.

He defines awe as “the feeling we have when we encounter vast, mysterious things.” It’s something we all have experienced, but often talk about rather sheepishly. Dacher has spent considerable time seeking it out and studying it, and the results are in. In this episode, he shares his findings, and offers all the ways in which awe is a necessary component to a happy, healthy, flourishing life.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Jennifer Wiseman: How Science Produces Wonder

David Desteno: Can Religion Make You Happier?

Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress

Resources mentioned this episode

Awe by Dacher Keltner

AlanCowan.com

Ming Kuo’s 21 pathways by which nature is good for one’s health

Brian Sutton and Tammy Rogers performing “Nachstucke”

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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148: Unabridged Interview: Philip Yancey26 Mar 202401:05:17

This is our unabridged interview with Philip Yancey.

What do we do with the painful parts of our life story?

Anybody familiar with Philip Yancey’s work knows that it has cost him more than time to be a bestselling author and journalist. It has cost him a lifetime of pain, loss, and deep spiritual struggle.

Philip intentionally waited until recently to write down his story to protect some of the people in it, but now in his seventies, he’s released “Where the Light Fell,” his memoir that shares all the messy details about growing and beyond - losing his father, childhood poverty, parental abuse, ruinous fundamentalist Christianity, militant atheism, a nearly fatal car accident, and more.

In this episode he shares how he managed to come to new understanding in the face of suffering. “A writer really only has one gift,” says Philip Yancey, “and that's the gift of his or her own life.”

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

Resources mentioned this episode:

Where the Light Fell by Philip Yancey

My Name is Asher Lev by Chaim Potok

Soul Survivor by Philip Yancey

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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148: Philip Yancey: Where the Light Fell21 Mar 202400:48:23

What do we do with the painful parts of our life story?

Anybody familiar with Philip Yancey’s work knows that it has cost him more than time to be a bestselling author and journalist. It has cost him a lifetime of pain, loss, and deep spiritual struggle.

Philip intentionally waited until recently to write down his story to protect some of the people in it, but now in his seventies, he’s released “Where the Light Fell,” his memoir that shares all the messy details about growing and beyond - losing his father, childhood poverty, parental abuse, ruinous fundamentalist Christianity, militant atheism, a nearly fatal car accident, and more.

In this episode he shares how he managed to come to new understanding in the face of suffering. “A writer really only has one gift,” says Philip Yancey, “and that's the gift of his or her own life.”

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

Resources mentioned this episode:

Where the Light Fell by Philip Yancey

My Name is Asher Lev by Chaim Potok

Soul Survivor by Philip Yancey

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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147: Unabridged Interview: Tara Brach19 Mar 202401:07:21

This is our unabridged interview with Tara Brach.

How do you accept yourself fully, just as you are? And if you did, would you ever grow?

“Being at peace with how we are in the moment is the precondition to transformation,” says psychologist and meditation teacher Tara Brach.

In this episode she provides us with a simple practice to find peace and transformation known by the acronym RAIN.

“We have amazing potential to change some of the habits that cause ourselves or others harm,” she says, “but we won't be able to access that if we're at war with ourselves.” Hear Tara’s stories from a life of practicing mindfulness, putting on display the wisdom and healing that come from pausing to accept the world as it is.

This episode contains a brief mention of disordered eating. If you are in need of support, contact the National Alliance for Eating Disorders at 1-866-662-1235

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Kristin Neff: Self Compassion

Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

Suzanne Stabile: Enneagram Wisdom and Living Well

William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

Resources mentioned this episode

Radical Acceptance by Tara Brach

When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron

RAIN meditation with Tara Brach

Tonglen meditation with Pema Chodron

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode


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195: Unabridged Interview: Alexandra Solomon14 Feb 202501:00:48

This is our unabridged interview with Alexandra Solomon.


 Is your love life in need of a tune-up?  Just in time for Valentine's Day, renowned relationship expert Dr. Alexandra Solomon joins us to share powerful insights from her book, "Loving Bravely."  Discover how self-awareness and understanding your past can dramatically improve your present relationships.  Dr. Solomon unpacks the secrets to thriving intimacy, from mastering the art of apology to staying truly present with your partner.  Plus, get practical tools for navigating the inevitable challenges of long-term love.  Tune in for this insightful conversation that will empower you to build stronger, more fulfilling relationships.


 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Reimagining Love Podcast

 “Loving Bravely” by Alexandra Solomon


 Similar NSE episodes:

 Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

 Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

 Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: Lessons from the World’s Longest Scientific Study of Happiness


 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Interview


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147: Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance14 Mar 202400:48:23

How do you accept yourself fully, just as you are? And if you did, would you ever grow? 

“Being at peace with how we are in the moment is the precondition to transformation,” says psychologist and meditation teacher Tara Brach. 

In this episode she provides us with a simple practice to find peace and transformation known by the acronym RAIN. 

“We have amazing potential to change some of the habits that cause ourselves or others harm,” she says, “but we won't be able to access that if we're at war with ourselves.” Hear Tara’s stories from a life of practicing mindfulness, putting on display the wisdom and healing that come from pausing to accept the world as it is.

This episode contains a brief mention of disordered eating. If you are in need of support, contact the National Alliance for Eating Disorders at 1-866-662-1235

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Kristin Neff: Self Compassion

Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

Suzanne Stabile: Enneagram Wisdom and Living Well

William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

Resources mentioned this episode

Radical Acceptance by Tara Brach

When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron

RAIN meditation with Tara Brach

Tonglen meditation with Pema Chodron

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link


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146: Unabridged Interview: Malcolm Gladwell12 Mar 202401:26:06

This is our unabridged interview with Malcolm Gladwell.

You may think you know Malcolm Gladwell.

He is, after all, a New York Times bestselling author of “Outliers,” “The Tipping Point,” “Blink,” and other books. He’s the host of the wildly popular podcast “Revisionist History.” His work is heralded and his opinion asked by many folks on a wide array of issues. But what makes him so different that he has become one of the most successful journalists of our day?

In this episode, Malcolm tells a host of stories - from receiving endorsement from his mother to cut class, to attending a Mennonite barn-raising with his mathematician father, to spending three days a week in Freudian therapy as a young adult - all which help explain how he became the wildly curious and unpinnable person that he is, bent on getting to the bottom of things.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?

Bill McKibben: The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon

Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

Resources mentioned this episode:

Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

Blink by Malcolm Gladwell

The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

Revisionist History Podcast

Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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146: Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm07 Mar 202400:48:59

You may think you know Malcolm Gladwell.

He is, after all, a New York Times bestselling author of “Outliers,” “The Tipping Point,” “Blink,” and other books. He’s the host of the wildly popular podcast “Revisionist History.” His work is heralded and his opinion asked by many folks on a wide array of issues. But what makes him so different that he has become one of the most successful journalists of our day?

In this episode, Malcolm tells a host of stories - from receiving endorsement from his mother to cut class, to attending a Mennonite barn-raising with his mathematician father, to spending three days a week in Freudian therapy as a young adult - all which help explain how he became the wildly curious and unpinnable person that he is, bent on getting to the bottom of things.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?

Bill McKibben: The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon

Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

Resources mentioned this episode:

Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

Blink by Malcolm Gladwell

The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

Revisionist History Podcast

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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145: Unabridged Interview: Tim Alberta05 Mar 202400:59:21

This is our unabridged interview with Tim Alberta.

At No Small Endeavor, we try to talk about the things that really matter to people. Two such things - politics and religion - are notoriously tricky to discuss without generalizing, proselytizing, or stoking division.

But in an election year, we can’t ignore a sub-group in the United States that is adamant about combining faith and nation: Christian Nationalists.

In this episode, we called in Tim Alberta, author of “The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory” and an expert for the job. He shares what it was like growing up around the movement, offers his criticism of a subculture he knows inside and out, and presents the clear and present danger of conflating religious identity with national identity.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

David French: Conservatism without Trumpism

Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

Randall Balmer – name?  Link?

Resources mentioned this episode:

The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory by Tim Alberta

Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Du Mez

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link for Abridged Episode


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145: Tim Alberta: The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory29 Feb 202400:48:52

At No Small Endeavor, we try to talk about the things that really matter to people. Two such things - politics and religion - are notoriously tricky to discuss without generalizing, proselytizing, or stoking division.

But in an election year, we can’t ignore a sub-group in the United States that is adamant about combining faith and nation: Christian Nationalists.

In this episode, we called in Tim Alberta, author of “The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory” and an expert for the job. He shares what it was like growing up around the movement, offers his criticism of a subculture he knows inside and out, and presents the clear and present danger of conflating religious identity with national identity.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

David French: Conservatism without Trumpism

Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

Randall Balmer – name?  Link?

Resources mentioned this episode:

The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory by Tim Alberta

Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Du Mez

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

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144: Unabridged Interview: Eboo Patel27 Feb 202401:09:23

This is our unabridged interview with Eboo Patel.

“Diversity is a treasure,” says President and Founder of Interfaith America Eboo Patel. But what does “diversity” really mean?

The term is found these days in public discourse and political debate, in boardrooms and on athletic fields. But Eboo argues that the way it plays out in the United States often misses the point entirely: instead of honoring identity and leaving room for disagreement, we settle for a flattening of culture, calling it “diversity.”

“Coherent doesn’t mean univocal,” says Eboo. “In a democracy, you actually get to articulate your identity.” In this episode, Eboo describes why we should treasure our differences - especially religious differences - rather than treat them as insignificant, and provides new ways to frame polarizing issues around religion, race, and politics.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?

Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

David Desteno: Can Religion Make You Happier?

Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

Resources mentioned this episode

We Need to Build by Eboo Patel

Acts of Faith by Eboo Patel

Interfaith America’s website

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144: Eboo Patel: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy22 Feb 202400:48:20

“Diversity is a treasure,” says President and Founder of Interfaith America Eboo Patel. But what does “diversity” really mean?

The term is found these days in public discourse and political debate, in boardrooms and on athletic fields. But Eboo argues that the way it plays out in the United States often misses the point entirely: instead of honoring identity and leaving room for disagreement, we settle for a flattening of culture, calling it “diversity.”

“Coherent doesn’t mean univocal,” says Eboo. “In a democracy, you actually get to articulate your identity.” In this episode, Eboo describes why we should treasure our differences - especially religious differences - rather than treat them as insignificant, and provides new ways to frame polarizing issues around religion, race, and politics.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?

Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

David Desteno: Can Religion Make You Happier?

Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

Resources mentioned this episode

We Need to Build by Eboo Patel

Acts of Faith by Eboo Patel

Interfaith America’s website

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

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For Your Consideration: Your Mama's Kitchen with John Batiste21 Feb 202400:43:58

Sharing an episode of Your Mama’s Kitchen, a podcast about cuisine and culture, ingredients and identities, and the meals and memories that make us who we are.

Every week, host Michele Norris talks to guests like Michelle Obama, Glennon Doyle, José Andrés and more. Together they explore the complexities of family life and how their earliest culinary experiences helped shape their personal and professional lives—and of course, each guest shares a recipe for a favorite dish from their youth so you can taste a bit of their story.

In this episode, singer-songwriter Jon Batiste serenades us with his harmonica-keyboard while reminiscing on the sounds of his childhood kitchen in New Orleans. He describes what it was like to grow up in a big, musical family of jazz legends, and shares some of their favorite Christmas traditions—including competing to see who could make the best and truest gumbo.

You can find more Your Mama’s Kitchen here.

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143: Unabridged Interview: Anthony Ray Hinton20 Feb 202401:14:59

This is our unabridged interview with Anthony Ray Hinton.

“I don’t care whether you did or didn’t do it. I’m going to make sure you’re found guilty.”

These were the words that Anthony Ray Hinton says put him on Alabama’s death row for nearly 3 decades for a murder he didn’t commit. In 2015, after numerous appeals, he was released after the US Supreme Court vacated the charges, and the State of Alabama dropped the case.

Mr. Hinton is author of the New York Times bestseller, “The Sun Does Shine: How I Found Life and Freedom on Death Row.” His story recounts his harrowing decades on death row, and his intention to make choices for compassion and joy in the midst of the chaos of prison life, spending 23 hours every day in a 5 x 7 cell, and watching 54 individuals pass his cell on their way to the death chamber.

“You can sit in that cell and be angry with the world,” he says, “or you can sit in that cell and try to find peace and joy. But you can't say you don't have a choice.”

Similar episodes:

Pervis Payne: The Death Penalty

The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

Jameel McGee and Andrew Collins: Dirty Cop, False Arrest, and Unexpected Consequences

Resources mentioned this episode

The Sun Does Shine by Anthony Ray Hinton

The Sun Does Shine (Young Readers Edition) by Anthony Ray Hinton

Go Tell It on the Mountain by James Baldwin

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143: Anthony Ray Hinton: An Innocent Man on Death Row15 Feb 202400:48:29

“I don’t care whether you did or didn’t do it. I’m going to make sure you’re found guilty.”

These were the words that Anthony Ray Hinton says put him on Alabama’s death row for nearly 3 decades for a murder he didn’t commit. In 2015, after numerous appeals, he was released after the US Supreme Court vacated the charges, and the State of Alabama dropped the case.

Mr. Hinton is author of the New York Times bestseller, “The Sun Does Shine: How I Found Life and Freedom on Death Row.” His story recounts his harrowing decades on death row, and his intention to make choices for compassion and joy in the midst of the chaos of prison life, spending 23 hours every day in a 5 x 7 cell, and watching 54 individuals pass his cell on their way to the death chamber.

“You can sit in that cell and be angry with the world,” he says, “or you can sit in that cell and try to find peace and joy. But you can't say you don't have a choice.”

Similar episodes:

Pervis Payne: The Death Penalty

The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

Jameel McGee and Andrew Collins: Dirty Cop, False Arrest, and Unexpected Consequences

Resources mentioned this episode:

The Sun Does Shine by Anthony Ray Hinton

The Sun Does Shine (Young Readers Edition) by Anthony Ray Hinton

Go Tell It on the Mountain by James Baldwin

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195: Alexandra Solomon: How to Have Flourishing Relationships10 Feb 202500:48:47

Is your love life in need of a tune-up?  Just in time for Valentine's Day, renowned relationship expert Dr. Alexandra Solomon joins us to share powerful insights from her book, "Loving Bravely."  Discover how self-awareness and understanding your past can dramatically improve your present relationships.  Dr. Solomon unpacks the secrets to thriving intimacy, from mastering the art of apology to staying truly present with your partner.  Plus, get practical tools for navigating the inevitable challenges of long-term love.  Tune in for this insightful conversation that will empower you to build stronger, more fulfilling relationships.


 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Reimagining Love Podcast

 “Loving Bravely” by Alexandra Solomon


 Similar NSE episodes:

 Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

 Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

 Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: Lessons from the World’s Longest Scientific Study of Happiness


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142: Unabridged Interview: Rob Reiner and Dan Partland13 Feb 202401:04:00

This is our unabridged interview with Rob Reiner and Dan Partland.

What ideas mobilized people to storm the Capitol on January 6th?

The new documentary “God & Country” from acclaimed actor and filmmaker Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland seeks to answer that question. Their journalism explores the motives, philosophies, and ideas behind Christian nationalism, and looks at the implications of those views and how they distort not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself.

“We've got to find a way to live and not kill each other,” says Rob, “especially not over our ideas.” The film features interviews with experts from many different realms - including historians, theologians, political pundits, and more - in order to shed light on the intermix of power and religion in our day.

In this episode, Rob and Dan describe their film, why they made it, and what they learned in the process.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right

Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

Robert Jones: White Too Long

Resources mentioned this episode

”God and Country” Trailer

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

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142: Rob Reiner and Dan Partland: Their New Film “God and Country”08 Feb 202400:47:54

What ideas mobilized people to storm the Capitol on January 6th?

The new documentary “God & Country” from acclaimed actor and filmmaker Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland seeks to answer that question. Their journalism explores the motives, philosophies, and ideas behind Christian nationalism, and looks at the implications of those views and how they distort not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself.

“We've got to find a way to live and not kill each other,” says Rob, “especially not over our ideas.” The film features interviews with experts from many different realms - including historians, theologians, political pundits, and more - in order to shed light on the intermix of power and religion in our day.

In this episode, Rob and Dan describe their film, why they made it, and what they learned in the process.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right

Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

Robert Jones: White Too Long

Resources mentioned this episode

”God and Country” Trailer

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link


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141: Unabridged Interview: David Brooks06 Feb 202401:13:29

This is our unabridged interview with David Brooks.

“We’re in the middle of some sort of social crisis,” says New York Times columnist and bestselling author David Brooks.

Politics and social discourse have become brutal. Loneliness, hopelessness, and suicide rates have been measured at all-time highs. Trust and friendship have been measured at all-time lows. But all is not lost, according to David. There is still a way forward, and it’s simpler than one might think.

“The essential moral act is the act of attention,” he says. “Our goal should be to cast a just and loving attention on others.” In this episode, he discusses his new book, “How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen,” and how truly knowing others calls forth a better version of both oneself and one’s community.

A warning: this episode contains mention of suicide. If you or someone you know is in crisis, contact the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

David Brooks: The Road to Character

Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

Curt Thompson: The Power Of Being Seen

Resources mentioned this episode

How to Know a Person by David Brooks

The Sovereignty of Good by Iris Murdoch

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For Your Consideration: How God Works with David DeSteno02 Feb 202400:35:52

We're pleased on occasion to share with you an episode from other podcasts which we find important and helpful. You may have heard our episode with renowned psychologist David DeSteno, on his book How God Works. I very much enjoyed my conversation with Dave, and found his approach helpful and refreshing. On his podcast, by the same name—How God Works—Dave talks with religious leaders, scientists, and intellectuals from various fields and explores the overlap between scientific research and the teachings of various wisdom and faith traditions.

The episode we share today I find particularly helpful: one on hope, and the cultivation of hopefulness in a world marred by seemingly intractable violence and hostility. Dave interviews Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Nicholas Kristof, who discusses ways he's learned to maintain hopefulness even while covering some of the most horrific instances of violence and war-making; and Roshi Joan Halifax, founder of Upaya Zen Center in Santa Fe, NM, about the notion of wise hope, the equanimity it can bring, and the fierce compassion it can unleash.

We hope you enjoy this episode of How God Works and consider subscribing.

-Lee C. Camp

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141: David Brooks: Can We Save Society By Knowing Each Other?01 Feb 202400:48:41

“We’re in the middle of some sort of social crisis,” says New York Times columnist and bestselling author David Brooks.

Politics and social discourse have become brutal. Loneliness, hopelessness, and suicide rates have been measured at all-time highs. Trust and friendship have been measured at all-time lows. But all is not lost, according to David. There is still a way forward, and it’s simpler than one might think.

“The essential moral act is the act of attention,” he says. “Our goal should be to cast a just and loving attention on others.” In this episode, he discusses his new book, “How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen,” and how truly knowing others calls forth a better version of both oneself and one’s community.

A warning: this episode contains mention of suicide. If you or someone you know is in crisis, contact the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

David Brooks: The Road to Character

Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

Curt Thompson: The Power Of Being Seen

Resources mentioned this episode

How to Know a Person by David Brooks

The Sovereignty of Good by Iris Murdoch

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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140: Unabridged Interview: John Dear30 Jan 202401:15:31

This is our unabridged episode with John Dear.

How do you live a good life in a world of 30 wars, 13,000 nuclear weapons, 4 billion people in poverty, racism, gun violence, child hunger, and catastrophic climate change?

This is the question posed by activist and Catholic priest John Dear. For years, John has taken part in peace movements alongside folks like Coretta King, Thich Nhat Hanh, and Desmond Tutu.

In this episode, he has some unbelievable stories that answer his question in a provocative way. To live a good life, he argues, you cannot support war, nuclear weapons, or violence. “To do the good,” in his words, “means to stop the killing.”

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

The Business of War: Justin Barringer

Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

Resources mentioned this episode:

German Catholics and Hitler’s Wars by Gordon Zahn

Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl

The Nonviolent Life by John Dear

The Beatitudes Center

John Dear’s website

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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140: John Dear: How To Be Nonviolent (Best of NSE) 25 Jan 202400:48:34

How do you live a good life in a world of 30 wars, 13,000 nuclear weapons, 4 billion people in poverty, racism, gun violence, child hunger, and catastrophic climate change?

This is the question posed by activist and Catholic priest John Dear. For years, John has taken part in peace movements alongside folks like Coretta King, Thich Nhat Hanh, and Desmond Tutu.

In this episode, he has some unbelievable stories that answer his question in a provocative way. To live a good life, he argues, you cannot support war, nuclear weapons, or violence. “To do the good,” in his words, “means to stop the killing.”

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

The Business of War: Justin Barringer

Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

Resources mentioned this episode:

German Catholics and Hitler’s Wars by Gordon Zahn

Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl

The Nonviolent Life by John Dear

The Beatitudes Center

John Dear’s website

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139: Unabridged Interview: Martin Sheen23 Jan 202401:15:38

This is our unabridged interview with Martin Sheen.

In this episode, Lee sits down with the former President of the United States…

At least, that’s how many listeners may know Martin Sheen, an award-winning actor known for his roles in “Apocalypse Now” and “The Departed,” and perhaps most famously for playing President Jed Bartlet in the hit TV series “The West Wing.”

But offscreen, Martin is perhaps best described as an ardent Catholic peace activist who has been arrested over 60 times. In this episode, he tells his whole story, full of humor and grace all the way from his childhood, to his acting career, to activism alongside James Lawson and John Dear, and much more.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

The Architect of The American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear

Resources mentioned this episode:

The West Wing Cathedral Scene

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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139: Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist (Best of NSE) 18 Jan 202400:47:52

In this episode, Lee sits down with the former President of the United States…

At least, that’s how many listeners may know Martin Sheen, an award-winning actor known for his roles in “Apocalypse Now” and “The Departed,” and perhaps most famously for playing President Jed Bartlet in the hit TV series “The West Wing.”

But offscreen, Martin is perhaps best described as an ardent Catholic peace activist who has been arrested over 60 times. In this episode, he tells his whole story, full of humor and grace all the way from his childhood, to his acting career, to activism alongside James Lawson and John Dear, and much more.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

The Architect of The American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear

Resources mentioned this episode:

The West Wing Cathedral Scene

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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138: Unabridged Interview: James Lawson16 Jan 202402:14:25

This is our unabridged interview with James Lawson.

The US Civil Rights Movement, like Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, was famously set apart by its employment of non-violent resistance methods. But have you ever wondered how such a movement was possible on so large a scale?

In this episode, we are honored to have the man who Martin Luther King Jr. called friend, mentor, and the very conscience and architect of the Civil Rights Movement: Reverend James Lawson.

Now in his 90’s, he discusses the United States’ past and present, and what it took to organize a whole population across the country to fight back without throwing a punch.

“​​We started the public desegregation of the nation,” he says, “and we did it without hating anybody.”

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

Dr. Fred Gray: Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks

Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

Resources mentioned this episode:

Fellowship Of Reconciliation (F.O.R.)

Rev. James Lawson’s Church: Holman United Methodist

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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194: Unabridged Interview: Shankar Vedantam07 Feb 202500:51:54

This is our unabridged interview with Shankar Vedantam.


 We all like to believe that we live our lives rationally, deliberately, consciously. But what if our conscious decision making is just the tip of the iceberg?

 “ I feel like I have a full picture of what's happening inside my own mind,” says Shankar Vedantam. But it turns out “there is a large portion of our mind that's working outside of our conscious awareness.”

 Shankar founded Hidden Brain Media in order to teach people what science has uncovered about our brains. In this episode, he discusses why we’re not as autonomous as we think we are, and the profound implications for the ways we act, think, and live.


 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Hidden Brain” by Shankar Vedantam

 Hidden Brain Website

 Shankar’s TED Talk


 Similar NSE episodes:

 Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

 Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

 Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

 Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation


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138: James Lawson: The Architect of the United States Civil Rights Movement (Best of NSE) 11 Jan 202400:49:03

The US Civil Rights Movement, like Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, was famously set apart by its employment of non-violent resistance methods. But have you ever wondered how such a movement was possible on so large a scale?

In this episode, we are honored to have the man who Martin Luther King Jr. called friend, mentor, and the very conscience and architect of the Civil Rights Movement: Reverend James Lawson.

Now in his 90’s, he discusses the United States’ past and present, and what it took to organize a whole population across the country to fight back without throwing a punch.

“​​We started the public desegregation of the nation,” he says, “and we did it without hating anybody.”

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

Dr. Fred Gray: Doing Justice Alongside MLK and Rosa Parks

Martin Sheen: Actor and Activist

Resources mentioned this episode:

Fellowship Of Reconciliation (F.O.R.)

Rev. James Lawson’s Church: Holman United Methodist

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcription Link

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137: Unabridged Interview: Angela Duckworth09 Jan 202400:52:31

What do Olympic athletes, world-class artists, elite academics, and successful business executives have in common? Ivy League psychologist Angela Duckworth has spent her career researching this question, closely studying those folks at the top of their respective fields who are considered “high achievers.” Surprisingly, it turns out neither talent nor genius is the answer. “The common denominator,” she says, “is grit.”

In this episode, Angela Duckworth explains what she means by “grit,” discusses why it is such a crucial determinant for success, and offers highly practical methods for developing grit in one’s own life.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Time Management for Mortals: Oliver Burkeman

What it Takes to Live a Good Life: Meghan Sullivan

Resources mentioned this episode

Grit by Angela Duckworth

Character Lab

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Transcript for Abridged Episode

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137: Angela Duckworth: Is Grit the Secret to Success? (Best of NSE)04 Jan 202400:48:16

What do Olympic athletes, world-class artists, elite academics, and successful business executives have in common? Ivy League psychologist Angela Duckworth has spent her career researching this question, closely studying those folks at the top of their respective fields who are considered “high achievers.” Surprisingly, it turns out neither talent nor genius is the answer. “The common denominator,” she says, “is grit.”

In this episode, Angela Duckworth explains what she means by “grit,” discusses why it is such a crucial determinant for success, and offers highly practical methods for developing grit in one’s own life.

Show Notes

Similar episodes:

Time Management for Mortals: Oliver Burkeman

What it Takes to Live a Good Life: Meghan Sullivan

Resources mentioned this episode

Grit by Angela Duckworth

Character Lab

PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

Episode Transcript

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136: Unabridged Interview: Elise Hu02 Jan 202401:01:10

This is our unabridged episode with Elise Hu.

What is beauty, and what role should it play in our lives?

Beauty has long been seen as one the three “transcendentals” (along with truth and goodness) which have been valued at all times, in all places, by all cultures. But these days, the word “beauty” is often equated with standards of bodily presentation that, in an increasingly globalized and technological world, are reachable only by extreme measures of constant labor or cosmetic surgery.

In this episode, Elise asks the question we’re all thinking: is that version of beauty good for us? She discusses her experience in a beauty-obsessed Korean culture, its effects on both women and men, and what a healthy relationship with beauty might look like.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure: Anna Lembke

Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk: Eugene Cho

Resources mentioned this episode

Flawless by Elise Hu

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136: Elise Hu: Obsessed With Beauty (Best of NSE)28 Dec 202300:48:41

What is beauty, and what role should it play in our lives?

Beauty has long been seen as one the three “transcendentals” (along with truth and goodness) which have been valued at all times, in all places, by all cultures. But these days, the word “beauty” is often equated with standards of bodily presentation that, in an increasingly globalized and technological world, are reachable only by extreme measures of constant labor or cosmetic surgery.

In this episode, Elise asks the question we’re all thinking: is that version of beauty good for us? She discusses her experience in a beauty-obsessed Korean culture, its effects on both women and men, and what a healthy relationship with beauty might look like.

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Flawless by Elise Hu

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132: Unabridged Interview: Tom and Tony Bancroft27 Dec 202300:50:25

Twins Tom and Tony Bancroft grew up sharing a small bedroom, trying to out-draw each other. Today, they have long careers under their belts working for Disney, Warner Brothers, and many more esteemed animation studios.

Their life’s work is a testament to the power of passion, imagination, faith, and brotherhood. In this episode, they discuss how they became animators at the world’s most famous companies, what it’s like to be storytellers for the masses, and what their faith has meant to them over the course of their lives.

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Johnnyswim: Reality TV, the Cuban Revolution, and a Disco Queen Mother

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The Bancroft Brothers Animation Podcast

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135: Unabridged Interview: Heather Holleman26 Dec 202300:46:47

This is our unabridged episode with Heather Holleman.

How important is it to be a good conversationalist?

In an age of widespread loneliness, close relationships are at a premium, and it’s harder than ever to find common ground, even with those we spend time with on a daily basis. According to Heather Holleman, this is due in part to the fact that we have lost the ability to have what she calls “good conversations.”

“Good conversations create personal closeness,” she says. “When you have good conversations, it could intervene in the loneliness epidemic.”

In this episode, she discusses her book “The Six Conversations: Pathways to Connecting in an Age of Isolation and Inactivity,” in which she offers loads of practical tips for becoming better listeners, talkers, question askers, and ultimately, human beings.

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The Six Conversations by Heather Holleman

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135: Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation (Best of NSE)21 Dec 202300:48:36

How important is it to be a good conversationalist?

In an age of widespread loneliness, close relationships are at a premium, and it’s harder than ever to find common ground, even with those we spend time with on a daily basis. According to Heather Holleman, this is due in part to the fact that we have lost the ability to have what she calls “good conversations.”

“Good conversations create personal closeness,” she says. “When you have good conversations, it could intervene in the loneliness epidemic.”

In this episode, she discusses her book “The Six Conversations: Pathways to Connecting in an Age of Isolation and Inactivity,” in which she offers loads of practical tips for becoming better listeners, talkers, question askers, and ultimately, human beings.

Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: Lessons from the World’s Longest Scientific Study on Happiness

Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

Resources mentioned this episode

The Six Conversations by Heather Holleman

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134: Unabridged Interview: Rebecca DeYoung19 Dec 202301:03:22

This is our unabridged interview with Rebecca DeYoung.

Sin.

It's a word seen by many as a "religious word," one which evokes all manner of images. Like, maybe Las Vegas. Or the temptation of Adam and Eve in the book of Genesis. But many see it as an irrelevant word to their contemporary life.

Our guest today has studied what are traditionally referred to as the seven deadly sins. She proposes that the medieval taxonomy of sin is actually -quite- relevant to our lives today; and that it can steer us -away- from destructive ways of life, and toward habits, practices, dispositions which make possible, a better life.

Rebecca DeYoung is author of the award-winning book “Glittering Vices: A New Look at the Seven Deadly Sins and Their Remedies” and a Professor of Ethics, History, and Philosophy at Calvin College.

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134: Rebecca DeYoung: The 7 Deadly Sins (Best of NSE)14 Dec 202300:48:30

Sin.

It's a word seen by many as "religious word," one which evokes all manner of images. Like, maybe Las Vegas. Or the temptation of Adam and Eve in the book of Genesis. But many see it as an irrelevant word to their contemporary life.

Our guest today has studied what are traditionally referred to as the seven deadly sins. She proposes that the medieval taxonomy of sin is actually -quite- relevant to our lives today; and that it can steer us -away- from destructive ways of life, and toward habits, practices, dispositions which make possible, a better life.

Rebecca DeYoung is author of the award-winning book “Glittering Vices: A New Look at the Seven Deadly Sins and Their Remedies” and a Professor of Ethics, History, and Philosophy at Calvin College.

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194: Shankar Vedantam: Hidden Brain03 Feb 202500:48:38

We all like to believe that we live our lives rationally, deliberately, consciously. But what if our conscious decision making is just the tip of the iceberg?

 “ I feel like I have a full picture of what's happening inside my own mind,” says Shankar Vedantam. But it turns out “there is a large portion of our mind that's working outside of our conscious awareness.”

 Shankar founded Hidden Brain Media in order to teach people what science has uncovered about our brains. In this episode, he discusses why we’re not as autonomous as we think we are, and the profound implications for the ways we act, think, and live.


 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Hidden Brain” by Shankar Vedantam

 Hidden Brain Website

 Shankar’s TED Talk


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 Dacher Keltner: How Awe Will Transform Your Life

 Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

 Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

 Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation


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133: Unabridged Interview: Peter Harris and Jo Swinney12 Dec 202300:49:16

This is our unabridged interview with Peter Harris and Jo Swinney.

“If you live in community, you have no choice but to tell a true story.”

Peter Harris, Anglican clergyman and founder of environmental non-profit A Rocha, lost his beloved wife Miranda in a car accident in South Africa. Miranda left behind a grieving community, and an unfinished book.

Their daughter, Jo Swinney, found her mother’s unfinished book, full of wisdom and stories from a life dedicated to hospitality. She finished and published it, and in the process, learned much about both grief and joy.

In this episode, Peter and Jo sit down in front of a live audience to discuss the legacy of hospitality and faith that Miranda left, what it has been like to grieve, and what it might be like to see a deteriorating world with the same hope that Miranda did.


Show Notes:

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Peter Harris: The Collapse of the Biosphere

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A Place at the Table by Jo Swinney and Miranda Harris

A Rocha International


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133: Peter Harris and Jo Swinney: A Place at the Table07 Dec 202300:48:16

“If you live in community, you have no choice but to tell a true story.”

Peter Harris, Anglican clergyman and founder of environmental non-profit A Rocha, lost his beloved wife Miranda in a car accident in South Africa. Miranda left behind a grieving community, and an unfinished book.

Their daughter, Jo Swinney, found her mother’s unfinished book, full of wisdom and stories from a life dedicated to hospitality. She finished and published it, and in the process, learned much about both grief and joy.

In this episode, Peter and Jo sit down in front of a live audience to discuss the legacy of hospitality and faith that Miranda left, what it has been like to grieve, and what it might be like to see a deteriorating world with the same hope that Miranda did.


Show Notes:

Similar episodes

Peter Harris: The Collapse of the Biosphere

Katharine Hayhoe: “The Most Polarized Issue in the United States”

Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence


Resources mentioned this episode

A Place at the Table by Jo Swinney and Miranda Harris

A Rocha International


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132: Unabridged Interview: N.T. Wright05 Dec 202300:29:00

This is our unabridged interview with N.T. Wright.

How does art affect our theology?

“Most Christians believe that the aim of the game is to go to heaven when you die. That’s wrong,” says N.T. Wright, Anglican bishop and bestselling author. In fact, he argues, most Christians have gotten it completely backwards. We don’t go there when we die - it comes to us when we live.

In this episode, we discuss how such a drastic theological error can be widely accepted, and why the stories we tell each other through art have a greater impact on our beliefs than we think.


Show Notes:

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Resources mentioned this episode

Ask N.T. Wright Anything Podcast

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