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FinOps – Managing Cloud and AI Costs

Episode 222

mardi 17 juin 2025 • Duration 30:20

Managing IT costs has always been challenging and the FinOps movement is working to tackle this problem. Analysts Jean Atelsek and Melanie Posey return to the podcast to discuss their research and what they saw at the FinOps X conference with host Eric Hanselman. Cost angst has been exacerbated by the move to cloud. The shift from capital expense to operational expense has been a complicated transition for many. The infrastructure spending growth that being driven by AI initiatives has only just begun, but is already concerning. As cloud costs have become material expenses, more focus has been put on managing them. There are a host of startups that are looking to provide tools and cloud providers all have some form of cost management tooling.

The shift to virtualization opened the door to optimization, but was one that only few walked through. Efforts at charge-back and show-back accounting created better visibility, but FinOps is looking to take things a step further by identifying costs early in the development cycle. Putting the vast quantities of operational data that cloud throws off to work requires a new focus. It’s another area where AI can help businesses work their way out of the looming costs that AI applications create. It requires bringing together lines of business, development teams and IT operations, but the benefits could be significant.

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Jean Atelsek, Melanie Posey,
Producer/Editor: Adam Kovalsky
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

Datacenter Slowdown?

Episode 221

mardi 10 juin 2025 • Duration 32:36

A set of questions are being asked about whether the velocity of datacenter build outs is wavering. Analyst Dan Thompson returns to the podcast to explore the realities of the market with host Eric Hanselman. There are some facts that raised the questions, including Microsoft demurring on some datacenter projects, and they have fueled concerns that the heady pace might slacken. The DeepSeek model’s debut with claims of lower training requirements spooked the tech markets in January. There have been layoffs. Are these harbingers of AI doom?

In the same way that DeepSeek signaled the next phase of optimization in AI models, datacenter markets can be expected to adjust over time. The difference is that the time scales for the two areas are vastly different. With AI ecosystems seemingly cycling daily, the multiyear scheduling of datacenters might appear glacial by comparison. But it’s a market influenced by many factors, including a complex supply chain. Capital spending across hyperscale cloud providers remains healthy and maintains an eye on a future with much greater density of AI functionality. We’re still a long way from a correction.

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Powering AI – Opportunities, tensions in datacenter and energy markets

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Dan Thompson
Producer/Editor: Adam Kovalsky
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

NVIDIA GTC Bursts at the Seams

Episode 212

mardi 8 avril 2025 • Duration 31:06

It’s come a long way from its game developer roots and the NVIDIA GPU Technology Conference (GTC) 2025 edition was so well attended, it was straining the capacity of the San Jose Convention Center, its long-term home. John Abbott returns to discuss what debuted and the implications with host Eric Hanselman. NVIDIA has taken a starring role in AI and this year’s GTC had all of the glitz of a Hollywood production – CEO’s of major tech partners delivered a video tribute and Disney-designed robots cavorted on stage with CEO Jensen Huang. The event reinforced the extent to which NVIDIA has become a systems and software company, rather than simply a supplier of high performance silicon.

The event highlighted not only new GPU’s and rack-scale compute systems, but also countered the concerns around declines in GPU demand raised by the release of the DeepSeek AI models. The shift to reasoning models for AI is expected to drive further demand. The impacts on energy consumption and associated pressure on energy transition plans weren’t mentioned, but are a large part of the larger discussion around AI.

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guest: John Abbott
Producer/Editor: Adam Kovalsky
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

M&A in 2025

Episode 211

mardi 1 avril 2025 • Duration 44:29

The M&A markets are in a tough situation. Transactions are harder to get done and exits just not happening. To sort out where this is all going, Scott Denne and Brenon Daly return to the podcast with host Eric Hanselman. Investors across technology have portfolios that are getting long in the tooth. They need exits to return value to their funds, but there are limited options. The IPO market is tentative, at best.

At the same time, strategic investors are stepping back as they spend on AI. Capital expenditures continue to grow, with hyperscalers shelling out billions to expand their own infrastructure, as well as investing in AI startups. Google’s acquisition of Wiz is a massive transaction, but it is dwarfed by the ongoing internal investments. How far does this go and what will be the return on these investments?

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Brenon Daly, Scott Denne
Producer/Editor: Adam Kovalsky
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

Satellite Market Perspectives

Episode 210

mardi 25 mars 2025 • Duration 16:46

The arrival of Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite capabilities is changing broadband market dynamics as it increases capacity and improves performance. Mau Rodriguez joins host Eric Hanselman to discuss where displacement is taking place and the potential for new market entrants. The Geosynchronous satellite services that had been the backbone of remote connectivity have capacity, but come along with relatively high latency in data delivery. They’re orbiting at tens of thousands of miles, which is very long signal path, when compared to LEO satellites at around 500 miles.

The broadband market is dominated by terrestrial technologies, with cable leading the installed base and fiber growing rapidly. The subscriber cost for satellite is far higher, but the deployment cost can be much lower than that required for remote locations. While Starlink dominates this market, AWS aims to compete with its Project Kuiper plans. It just needs to get a lot of satellites launched, first.

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guest: Mau Rodriguez
Producer/Editor: Amaan Zafar, Donovan Menard and Odesha Chan
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

Datacenters and Energy Markets in Europe

Episode 209

mardi 18 mars 2025 • Duration 25:50

The demand for power driven by datacenter expansion is a global challenge and European markets are responding with some interesting aspects. With there has been a strong renewable component to energy supply, the complexity of the energy grid has meant that unified approaches were elusive. At the same time energy markets have faced three crises – demand reduction from the COVID pandemic, strong renewable investment and market disruption from the Russian-Ukraine war. Into this congested environment, Power Purchase Agreements (PPA) offer a way to channel investment in new generation capacity. The EU has just announced guarantees for non-investment grade PPA’s, creating the possibility for expanded markets and extending the ability to treat them as an addition to commodity markets for energy.

Energy generation projects have become increasingly hybrid, bringing together multiple renewable sources with energy storage. Smoothing out renewable peaks can help it better address base load demand. Nuclear remains an expensive option, with approaches like Small Modular Reactors (SMR) still being a long ways off. There is the potential to have AI improve grid efficiency, by balancing demand and generation, an almost circular relationship, given that it is driving so much of demand. That will require more decentralization of the grid to increase flexibility and the acceptance of cryptographic protections for data sovereignty could allow workload placement near sources of power generation. There is a lot of potential for what has become an urgent issue.

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Ayça Taşlı, Pedro Schweizer
Producer/Editor: Amaan Zafar, Donovan Menard and Odesha Chan
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

Smart Spaces

Episode 208

mardi 11 mars 2025 • Duration 24:32

So much of the world around us is sensing and controlling with data, but it’s not often coordinated. Smart spaces technologies put that data to work and integrate capabilities and Zoë Roth returns to the podcast to dig into the potential of these systems with host Eric Hanselman. Smart spaces have grown out of the sensing roots in technologies like the Internet of Things (IoT) and shares a key element – the need to link operational technology (OT) with information technology (IT). Things like building environmental systems have historically been separated from the technology stack supporting the people that work in the building. Integration of these systems has the potential for a wide range of benefits, including improving working conditions, enhancing physical and logical security and reducing energy use. Stadiums and public venues are putting smart spaces technology to work to improve fan experience and improve safety.

Extending to the macro scale, when smart spaces integrate at a city level, there’s greater efficiency and effectiveness across transportation systems, electric grids and governmental systems. Making this all work requires extending across information and functional silos. It’s a similar set of challenges that exist in digitization efforts in areas like retail, manufacturing and energy. As capabilities like digital twins and expanded support in edge computing mature, they hold promise to make smart spaces even more capable.

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Zoë Roth
Producer/Editor: Amaan Zafar, Donovan Menard and Odesha Chan
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

Mobile World Congress preview

Episode 207

mardi 4 mars 2025 • Duration 25:25

Mobile World Congress, the annual gathering of telecom industry players, has expanded to embrace a broad range of technology and this year’s event will bring together a broad range of vendors, telecom operators and industry leaders. The theme of convergence has seen real world impacts and Raul Castañon, Mohammed Hamza and Lynnette Luna return to discuss what they’re expecting to see with host Eric Hanselman. The rise of network API’s for security and location services looks to open the door to greater application integration. It’s something operators have been hoping for, but there are questions about how they’ll monetize it.

Many of the technologies that previewed in previous years are gaining traction. Open RAN technologies have matured and the ecosystem supporting them has expanded. There are still questions lingering about deployment timelines, but that seems to be shifting to a matter of when, rather than if. And, of course, AI is playing a role in much of what’s taking place in the exhibition halls.

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Raul Castañon-Martinez, Mohammed Hamza, Lynnette Luna
Producer/Editor: Amaan Zafar and Odesha Chan
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

NVIDIA quarterly earnings

Episode 206

mardi 25 février 2025 • Duration 24:03

Of the many companies that are part of the AI wave, NVIDIA has been at the core of AI infrastructure and a darling of the markets. Their performance in the market is driven in part by consistency in their performance and Melissa Otto, head of TMT Research for Visible Alpha, part of S&P Global Market Intelligence, joins host Eric Hanselman to look at the sentiment around the upcoming earnings. The enthusiasm for AI has driven expectations higher and higher and the company has delivered.

The rampant enthusiasm for AI’s future hasn’t been without some cautious moments. In January, the announcement of the DeepSeek model roiled markets with the prospect of lower compute consumption for model training. The concern was that demand for all things AI, GPU’s included, might wane. It might also have been a reason for a jumpy market to take a step back. If you dust off your economics textbooks, Jevon’s Paradox has been cited by many as an indication that consumption could accelerate. Time will tell!

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Host/Author: Eric Hanselman
Guests: Melissa Otto
Producer/Editor: Amaan Zafar and Odesha Chan
Published With Assistance From: Sophie Carr, Feranmi Adeoshun, Kyra Smith

Agentic AI Impacts

Episode 205

mardi 18 février 2025 • Duration 27:31

The next phase of the AI wave is the arrival of agentic AI – where agents can take action on a user’s behalf. That’s enough of a big deal, but when the head of a tech giant says agentic is going to replace most SaaS applications, something different might be afoot. Analysts Sheryl Kingstone and Chris Marsh return to the podcast to look at the realities of this suggestion with host Eric Hanselman. Agents could become the new user interface for enterprise data, but there are a set of challenges in making this work. On the one hand, one of the largest issues with autonomous action, accountability for actions taken, is far from settled in both regulatory and legal frameworks. On the other, much of enterprise information is still held in systems where it may be difficult for an agent to reach.

Agentic AI could provide a gateway to the myriad of systems that run the modern business. Opening access to data and the ability to aggregate across an organization could be tremendously powerful. Capturing the business logic that is often embedded in SaaS systems is difficult, but the shift to decoupling through API’s and the expansion of systems of delivery could open the door to agentic progress.

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