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The One Thing You Can Do For Yourself18 Dec 202400:55:24

Georgia talks with beauty reporter and critic Jessica DeFino about the capitalistic excesses of
“self-care” online; Mike talks with Today in Tabs’ Rusty Foster about logging off. Also: UNBOXING.



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  • TikTok CEO meets with Trump while asking for Supreme Court to take up ban appeal – UPI
  • Hawk Tuah Haliey Welch's Crypto Team Nets £2.59M Amid Botched Token Launch, Fans File SEC Complaints – IBTimes
  • Researchers Consider the Relationship Between Misinformation, Outrage, and the Sharing of Content on Social Media – TechPolicy
  • Online influencers need ‘urgent’ fact-checking training, warns Unesco – The Guardian
  • Teens, Social Media and Technology 2024 – Pew Research

The Horrors Persist, But So Do The Little Treats

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Touching Trail

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Most of the TikTok users (64%) and almost half of the Instagram users (48%) were prepared to pay to be off them, so long as others were off them, resulting in average valuations across all users of minus US$28 for TikTok and minus $10 for Instagram.

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NoOne kneads us again of earth and clay,

noOne conjures our dust.

Noone.


Praised be thou, NoOne.

For your sake we

want to flower.

Toward

you.


Psalm, by Paul Celan 

Trans. Pierre Joris


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Leaving Social Media Roundtable04 Dec 202401:10:45

Georgia, Hans, Jason, and Mike discuss their experiences leaving social platforms behind.

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On the last evening on this earth, we sever our days
from our trees, and count the ribs we will carry along
and the ribs we will leave behind, right here . . . on the last evening
we bid nothing farewell, we don't find the time to end who we are . . .
everything remains the same, the place exchanges our dreams
and exchanges its visitors. Suddenly we are incapable of satire
since the place is ready to host the dust . . . here on the last evening
we contemplate mountains surrounding clouds: a conquest and a counterconquest
and an ancient time handing over our door keys to the new time

Excerpt of Eleven Planets At The End Of The Andalusian Scene by Mahmoud Darwish


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Flashing Eyes In Which My Hopes Rise11 Sep 202401:06:40

Mike talks with Know Your Meme Editor-in-Chief Don Caldwell about the prevalence and decline of the Laser Eyes Meme, and the ever shifting place of internet memes in presidential election season; the staff then talks about posts that baffle and confound us. And also: fair play.



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  • EU top court ruling paves way for Apple to pay Ireland over €13bn in taxes – Irish Times
  •  Judge Rules $400 Million Algorithmic System Illegally Denied Thousands of People’s Medicaid Benefits – Gizmodo.com
  • Brazil Blocks Musk’s X After Company Refuses to Comply Amid Feud With Judge – Time
  • Elon Musk Has Backed Himself Into a Corner in Brazil – WIRED
  • What to know about Elon Musk’s ‘free speech’ feud with a Brazilian judge – AP
  • Who are Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, Dave Rubin? The 6 commentators linked to Tenet indictment – USA Today
  • Who Are Tim Pool And Benny Johnson? What To Know About The Six Right-Wing Commentators DOJ Alleges Were Funded By Russia. – Forbes
  • YouTube Deletes Tim Pool’s Embarrassing Kremlin-Backed Videos – Gizmodo
  • Media start-up from Benny Johnson, Tim Pool, and Dave Rubin was secret Russian influence campaign, indictment alleges – DailyDot
  • cohost to shut down at end of 2024 – cohost 

Laser Eyes

  • Laser Eyes – KYM
  • Dark Brandon – KYM
  • Dark Brandon Explained – KYM
  • Fell Out of a Coconut Tree – KYM
  • What Can Be, Unburdened By What Has Been – KYM

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All day we leave and arrive at the hive,

concelebrants. The hive is love,

what we serve, preserve, avowed in Latin murmurs

as we come and go, skydive, freighted

with light, to where we thrive, us, in time’s hum,

on history’s breath,

        industrious, identical…


Excerpt of Hive by Carol Ann Duffy


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XOXO Fest Live28 Aug 202400:52:20

Georgia talks with marketing consultant Bryce Whitwam and takes us in and out and further in – maybe further in than any of us have ever wanted to go – to the TikTok shop; Mike talks with media studies professor Shannon Mattern about Drafts – writing while it is still in progress – and how it feels to POST them. Also: Audience participation!



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  • J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk Named in Cyberbullying Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif After Olympic Win (EXCLUSIVE) - Variety
  • “it was so nice when you were following legal advice to shut the fuck up” – death angel
  • Swifties for Trump? Not so fast-Taylor Swift fires back at Donald Trump's AI-generated endorsement – Marca
  • Fans Suspect Taylor Swift Just Subtly Addressed Donald Trump's AI Image Scandal in New Statement – parade.com
  • Donald Trump Shares Fake Taylor Swift Endorsement Using AI-Generated Images – Stereogum
  • Trump shares AI-generated images of Taylor Swift and her fans supporting him – NBC
  • anyway here's the story of how i worked with a cafe (isshiki matcha) to import the olympic village muffins for a popup in nyc… – @kelin_online

The Shop Zone

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Writing is Death

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It’s slow writing

on re-admission of the abyss

so if this body is sleepy-tired

please walk around


Suddenly there’s nothing

in the laws of the alphabet

that breaks open revealing

what buoyancy am I.


Excerpt of Puberty of Puck, by Mark Hyatt


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#MemeingTheNews14 Aug 202400:57:35

Hans talks with Lia Haberman of the newsletter ICYMI about the ostensible death of the hashtag; Georgia talks with media scholar Whitney Phillips about catching breaking news via internet memes. Also: Hit Em!



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  • Google has an illegal monopoly on search, judge rules. Here’s what’s next – MSN.com
  • Crooked Media, Producer of ‘Pod Save America,’ Reaches Deal With Union, Which Withdraws Claim Company Engaged in Union-Busting Tactics – Variety.com
  • After Walkout, Crooked Media Union Reaches Tentative Deal With ‘Pod Save America' Company – MSN.com
  • Spotify is full of AI music, and some say it’s ruining the platform – FastCo
  • Cartoon Network Website Shuts Down, Warner Bros. Discovery Kicks Visitors Over to Max – Variety.com
  • 5 Podcasts for the Constantly Online – NYT
  • XOXO 2024 Schedule!

#DeathoftheHashtag

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Meming the News, Newsing the Memes

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The idea, the teacher said, was that there was a chaos

left in matter – a little bit of not-yet in everything that was –


so the poets became interested in fragments, interruptions–

the little bit of saying lit by the unsaid–


was it a way to stay alive, a way to keep hope,

leaving things unfinished?


as if in completing a sentence there was death–


– Excerpt of Ars Poetica (the idea) by Dana Levin


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Mailbag #407 Aug 202400:52:04

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To BRB Or Not To BRB31 Jul 202401:02:12

Contributing producer Victoria Dominguez attempts to understand the practice of digitally resurrecting deceased loved ones using artificial intelligence. Also: home movies.



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One winter, he held a rope, lowered me 

by the ankles to the wells bottom. 

I ascended upside-down through the dark thermometer 

with a blood orange in my teeth. He had a beard 

of new snow. I held cold to his pant leg 

while our dog left and snapped at a sound 

in the air only he could hear. When I fell 

in love, he reached out to me and held me down 

when she slinked away on our dirt road alone, 

sheepish, depress. He held me as the constellations 

mingled through the torn curtain.


– Excerpt of My Pietá by Thomas Heise


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Life in Plastic, It's Fantastic17 Jul 202400:50:26

Mike chats with EX Research about their new report which goes deep on Roblox, the massively multiplayer online game played by HALF of all American teenagers. Georgia takes a look at Love Island UK – as many people have over the last few weeks – and asks why so much of that looking is preoccupied with plastic surgery. Also: the sound of touching grass.



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Once Day, We’ll All Be In There

Love Island Face

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What can I tell you? It was a summer that seemed to be

making history — their personal history — almost before

it began, and they stood back slightly, still in it, but

observing it, saying “the summer this,” “the summer that,”

all the while it was going on. They became obsessed with

a fountain, for example, one they walked past each day,

how abundantly it would reach upwards and yet be pouring

back down itself the whole time — all winter this fountain

had been dry, not saying a word. What more can I tell you?

Oh, everything…


Excerpt of No Name by Emily Berry


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Everything Old Embeds Again03 Jul 202401:01:11

Mike talks with unsung internet pillar DylanPDX, steward of vxTwitter and others, who single-handedly does what Big Social doesn’t want - keeping your embeds working. Senior producer Hans gets the ambrosia from Tallulah Trezevant, an antiquities scholar who ran an experiment to see how fast she would get flushed down the alt-right pipeline when expressing an interest in ancient history online. Also! Some of your favorite hidden corners of the internet.


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Favorite Corners of the Internet


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So much of any year is flammable,
lists of vegetables, partial poems.
Orange swirling flame of days,
so little is a stone.

Excerpt of “Burning the Old Year” by Naomi Shihab Nye


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The Sound Files of Summer19 Jun 202400:48:57

An episode-long staff round-table about music library management with special guest Meghal Janardan.

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Mailbag, Episodes 7-1014 Jun 202401:05:15

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​​Hi Never Post!


My name is Moss (she/her) and I am trans.


Your recent segment on before and after pics got me thinking about the particular variety of before and afters that are shared online in the trans community. I think that this became a lot more visible to me after being witness to the early chaos of unconstrained trans horniness and wild openness in the early formation of Bluesky last year, which is a whole fascinating bit of platform ecosystem history, especially seeing how much Bluesky has leveled out into something much more "presentable" and twitter-like now that it's operating at scale—but I digress.


On sites like Twitter and Bluesky (and surely elsewhere...) there is an established trend of trans beings (queer beings) sharing before and after pictures of themselves. These are occasioned by trans holidays, like Transgender Day of Visibility, by personal events like transition anniversaries, and by quote chains of such pics (not to mention special occasions of steps taken towards transition). I think it's important to mention these not only as a queer phenomenon, but as something that illuminates how before and afters work for everyone in a variety of situations (as is the case with many things related to transness—it's not [only] about being trans: it's about living more freely). The trans case highlights a few aspects that I want to explore here:


1) The pics, by virtue of being in a trans discourse, would seem to point to something deeper about how life is structured—an identity, a gender—rather than merely an aspect of life—weight, appearance, dwelling, &c.—not of course that identity and gender are not merely aspects of life nor that what seem to be mere aspects are not structuring, but thinking about the weight these are given culturally. What does it mean to see one photo and then another and think, and be encouraged to think by the poster, to see the second as more in line with their gender, as "more woman," "more animal," "more thing," "more man," "more..."? But perhaps above all "MORE THEMSELF." I think we can reasonably be quite ambivalent about this: as your segment points out, the after of the before and after is actually a changing state, and that perhaps it's harmful to over-fix (and that it might fix norms that should be taken as fluid and contextual), but, on the other hand, the fixing function of the before and after photo may be precisely the point for the trans poster—a trans performance to reinforce self. We might further ask, what is visible and what is invisible about transition—does the before and after pic over-reinforce the visible (and how does it then interact with the endless discourse of "passing")? There is also of course a great potential for rupture with norms with queer people—the after often completely rejects standard norms (but then is it rejection or creation...? and so on and so on and so on).


2) The before pic is possibly quite contentious for trans beings, when it is understood to be a pre-transition pic (and not say, both before and after being after the start of transition). This is because there are a ton of frameworks for understanding what one was before transition, and—rightfully—everyone has a different approach: Shall I define myself in opposition to my past? Shall I cut the past off and build myself in the now? Should my transition be understood as an attempt to work with my past, to heal my past, and to continue what is good from it? Is transition not at all a dividing line between me and my past—is it simply an event in a continuous life? Is transition not an event but a continuous process that has been operating since the very moment of my birth? (How many of these are at play at once!?) This makes understanding what is conveyed by the after very difficult. There's a sense in which the before and after flattens all these possibilities into the idea of CONTRAST, of cutting off, of opposition, without precisely exploring what kind of contrast is meant, or whether it is meant at all. There's also a tendency that I've noticed in the commentary (from both the original poster and commenters) on these posts to read them in terms of well-known transition narratives, where before the being was miserable, and after the being is happy and thriving. There's kind of an assertion that this is somehow visible in the picture—that a moment of photography can capture years of pain, years of pleasure—when, of course, life is so complicated, so variegated, even when transition does mark a huge change for the better (and it really does).


3) There is a pretty complicated interaction between the before and after pic and the values of the audience, when the audience is trans (I could also talk about the beings trying to figure out whether they should transition, but I don't want to make this too long). If I come across a before and after pic displaying a change in weight, I might (will) have a complicated emotional reaction, but I myself may not have committed to changing that aspect of myself, and there's a sense that a weight before and after is aimed at a pretty broad swath of the poster's community. But if I come across a before and after transition pic, not only does the pic feel in some sense aimed at me as a member of the trans community, but I in fact have as a trans being already accepted the underlying goals and values of this by committing myself to transitioning—it is something that I myself am trying to accomplish (but of course, not necessarily by the same methods as the being in the pics, and not the same goals). This is not to say that this kind of in-community targeting of before and after pics is unique to the trans community—think for example of before and afters shared in a weight-loss subreddit vs. ones that show up from a friend on your general feed. However, there's a kind of weird way in which being connected to trans people on social media, just as your friends and peers, puts one into a community rather than general discourse.


In any case, I think I have rambled enough—it's a big can of worm spaghetti. Hopefully there's enough wiggle room and questioning here that all beings might find a place to be nurtured from it. Thank you all for your wonderful work on this enjoyable podcast, and thank you for encouraging community input. Keep it up!


Moss

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Who Hires the Hiring Bots?05 Jun 202400:53:04

Georgia chats with Emmy Award-winning investigative reporter Hilke Schellmann about the job market, and the increasing prevalence of Artificial Intelligence in hiring. Mike talks with comedian, writer and podcast host Jamie Loftus about her show Sixteenth Minute (of Fame), and the curse of becoming an Internet Main Character. Also! Every YouTube video the team watched in the last two weeks.


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Why Is It (Hiring) Like This? with Hilke Schellmann

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Main Characters, with Jamie Loftus

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Others were more economical than I, but I

had my red marble. I had action

figures weighing down the drapes

on tiny threads. That twisted, and got smaller.

One door led

to a more economical room

Perhaps a more economical view. The girl

across the hall was the same girl


Except, “Persuasion” by Joyelle McSweeney


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Looks Great!20 Nov 202400:58:46

Mike talks with Jon Greenaway, aka litcritguy, about the horror of online food videos; Georgia talks with Katie Notopoulos about why you can’t personalize your social profiles a la MySpace anymore; ALSO leaf crunches! 



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Food Gore

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The End of Personalization

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What we need is a crane & to chain chains

around this blood-soaked ________. The kitchen

workers hang from the vents with duct tape.

We need the _____ put on a slide, there were

signs of struggle. There is always some precedent:


You have heard, I think, about H.,

whoever he was, & how he met his death because his

father had too much suspicion, this you will not believe,

and I can hardly prove it, but I am that same H…


Excerpt of Forensics, by Ben Doyle


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Looking For Love In All The Wrong Places22 May 202400:59:07

Georgia digs deep into the enshittification of dating apps, and pays dearly as a result. Mike talks to Aftermath co-founder Luke Plunkett about recent, massive changes to Google’s Page Rank algorithm, and the risk of reconfiguring entire industries to pander to search traffic. And also: An AI Voice Clone of Mike is set to *maximum chaos*. 


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Dating Apps (derogatory)

Google Scruples

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Foot, how you press

 me to keep that

 old contact alive

the repeated daily sentiment

 of pace so

 grim, always that

untrusting silence


untitled, by JH Prynne, from The White Stones


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Everyone is a Journalish11 May 202401:01:55

The second and final installment of our two part collab with Slate’s ICYMI! Mike talks with mis- and disinformation researcher Joan Donovan about the line between gossip and conspiracy; then ICYMI’s Candice and Rachelle join us to talk about what it feels like swimming in the wide open sea of monocultural event discourse. Also: C-SPAN’s earliest internet memories!


Special thanks to Candice, Rachelle, Se’era, Daisy and the whole ICYMI team! Please listen to them on slate.com and wherever you get your podcasts.


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vertigo of too many nuances

don’t drown in their rapidity

choose the nuances you love

and settle down with them


Excerpt of #45 - butter colored slacks and rubber rum balls by Wayne Koestenbaum


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ICYMI x NP: How Kate Middleton's Disappearance Redefined Monoculture08 May 202400:54:08

This week, we got TWO episodes coming at you - one today and one on Saturday. Both are a collaboration with the incredible team at the Slate Podcast ICYMI.

In today's episode, the first of our collaboration, Mike guests on ICYMI, where they break down one of 2024’s biggest internet stories and ask: what's the recipe for a rare monocultural event?

It's been more than a month since Kate Middleton announced she'd started preventative chemotherapy treatments following a cancer diagnosis. Which means it's also been just over a month since conspiracy theories about the princess ran rampant across the internet. As an increasingly algorithmic internet silos us further into our own little content niches, all-consuming events like Kate Middleton's disappearance are fewer and far between. So what does it take, in 2024, to capture the internet's attention and create these rare monocultural moments?

ICYMI is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Daisy Rosario, Candice Lim and Rachelle Hampton.

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Car Tok26 Apr 202400:58:23

Senior producer Hans Buetow investigates the transit vacuum that’ll be left when Uber and Lyft leave the Twin Cities; Mike looks at how the car has become a default setting for vertical, short form video. Also: PLANES, TRAINS… BIKES


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Twin Cities Transit Vacuum

The American Car 

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To understand what was going on it is perhaps necessary to have participated in the freeway experience, which is the only secular communion Los Angeles has. Mere driving on the freeway is in no way the same as participating in it. Anyone can “drive” on the freeway, and many people with no vocation for it do, hesitating here and resisting there, losing the rhythm of the lane change, thinking about where they came from and where they are going. Actual participants think only about where they are. Actual participation requires a total surrender, a concentration so intense as to seem a kind of narcosis, a rapture-of-the-freeway. The mind goes clean. The rhythm takes over. A distortion of time occurs, the same distortion that characterizes the instant before an accident.


Except from The Bureaucrats, by Joan Didion


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Interlude: Important Emails, Extended Cut24 Apr 202400:41:52

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It’s easier to read the mind of a fox than to guess   

what a man’s about to say when he returns   

from the woods         head full of roots         veins   

more like branches         shoes in one hand         feet   

blistered         and none of this necessarily   

an indication of how the feet feel         what miles   

uphill and back have done to the soles   

and to the small bones that propel a man


Excerpt of Rest Before You Sleep

By Dionisio D. Martínez


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Switched on Post10 Apr 202400:57:45

Contributing Producer Marie Kilaru discusses the emotional impacts of making and seeing Before and After posts; Charlie Harding of Switched on Pop joins Jason to talk about what pop-musical acts have sounded like the internet. Also: Georgia reads Franny Choi’s “Unrequited Lovesong for the Panopticon”

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What (Pop Music) Does the Internet Sound Like?


Unrequited Love Song for the Panopticon was used with permission 

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After the accident we had

the phrase after the accident.


Also this: before the accident.

We had a drawer marked


before and after, and after

and before happenings


we'd add atrocities and

incidents and the wild


asters someone before

and after keeps leaving.


After By Andrea Cohen


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OO🚫⛔❌ H M🙅💥🕳️ GO🛑🔇💃27 Mar 202400:56:52

Georgia and guest producer Luis wonder why there is so much audio online that seems to sound bad on purpose; Mike talks to Gabriele de Seta and Paolo Berti about how the “megadungeon” is a productive model for understanding the internet. Also: posts from the field!

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Burnt Toast Audio

Megadungeons

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Expand the sense of urgency with which you communicate. Installing this machine in your environment will ensure that your temper matches the tenor of the world as it crosses your threshold. Instantly you will match emergent problems in volume and strain -- no longer will you be trumped by sirens or fear. Use the multilayered time matrix to detect radiant torpor. 


Object #5923 - from Catalog of Nothingness by Kate Armstrong


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As Per My Last Podcast Episode...13 Mar 202400:59:00

Hans wonders why ‘being informed’ is so exhausting, and if there’s anything he can do about it (short answer: sorta) and a few members of the Never Post team discuss “important emails”. Also: the hunt for Diet Caffeine Free Dr. Pepper continues.


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You come in

      by the same door, you carry

 

what cannot be left for its own

  sweet shimmer of reason, its false blood;

the same tint I hear with the pulse it touches

  and will not melt. Such shading

of the rose to its stock tips the bolt

  from the sky, rising in its effect of what

motto we call peace talks. And yes the

  quiet turn of your page is the day

      tilting so, faded in the light.

 

Excerpt of Rich in Vitamin C by JH Prynne

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Mailbag, Episode 1-306 Mar 202401:08:49

We respond to listener comments about independent media co-ops, the disappearance of tween fashion, posting disease, influencer voice, mourning online, and human height throughout history.
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Nick's thoughts on "Never Post" and the internet:

1. One interpretation of ""Never Post"" is that it's like the internet version of the taoist wei wu wei which translates to something like ""do by not doing" and reminds us how often trying to accomplish something makes us less likely to succeed. You install a Ring camera for safety and now you're always paranoid. You complement someone for saying something smart and they stop speaking because they're afraid of sounding dumb.

The historian/political scientist/anarchist James Scott borrows the term "iatrogenic" from medicine to describe how many of societies' attempts to control rivers (e.g., levees) only cause the rivers to become more unruly.

Iatrogenic illnesses are ailments caused by medicine or medical care. Iatrogenic systems are ferociously hardy because simple attempts to solve them just feed them. You can think of the capitalist work ethic where the only way (besides inheritance) to secure a life of financial independence outside of capitalist pressures is to dive head first into the capitalist waters and work hard at a lucrative job for a long time (see adherents of the FIRE movement).

Social media seems like a classic iatrogenic system. You dunk or subtweet an egregious post and it makes the poster post more. The truly skilled poster posts by not posting. Never posts. Learning not to repost bad posts is a major spiritual milestone for the internet citizen.

2. An irony is that if the best way to steward the internet is to never post, doesn't the internet disappear under ideal stewardship? Derrida's "Structure, Sign, and Play in the Discourse of the Human Sciences" tries to solve a related problem in postmodern discourse. The problem is, every deconstruction, no matter how profound, rests on some logical/linguistic "center" that itself is not real or stable. So every deconstruction can itself be deconstructed and you just have infinite regress. If postmodernists know this, what's even the point of writing for each other any more?

Derrida's solution is freeplay which is about recognizing existience as full of other world with their own "centers" that are yet all connected. A mistake is anchoring yourself to any of those single centers. Freeplay is hopping worlds with "the joyous affirmation of the play of the world and of the innocence of becoming, the affirmation of a world of signs without fault, without truth, and without origin which is offered to an active interpretation".

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Don't Panic07 Nov 202401:01:27

Mike talks about how and why some authentic media looks like it was generated by AI; Hans talks about KOSA – the Kids Online Safety Act – and how it is shaped by not one, but two concurrent moral panics. Also: RARE TAPES! 📼

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Generated-ish

Generated-ish Examples

KOSA is a Moral Panic (or Two) 

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Eternal Return28 Feb 202400:51:39

Georgia talks with Tamara Kneese about how the software of the platform internet works against the social flows of grieving, and mourning. Mike then talks about men who throw ping pong balls into solo cups. ALSO: chill, lo-fi, public domain beats.

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Online Mourning

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Adriana’s tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3BfJxc/

Trickshot Timeworkers

Watch some Trickshotters:

Kierkegaard, Repetition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_(Kierkegaard_book)

Antonia Pont, A Philosophy of Practising With Deleuze's Difference and Repetition,  https://hdl.handle.net/10536/DRO/DU:30155974

Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus

Tara Asgar:

Citizen DJ

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Brian Foo -- https://brianfoo.com/

A brief guide to the law and ethics of the digital sampling of recorded sound materials

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Interstitial 1 contains samples of "Off the record interview with Barry White, 1987-04-03" by Smith, Joe (1928-) (Interviewer) and White, Barry (1944 - 2003) (Interviewee). Retrieved from Joe Smith Collection at the Library of Congress, Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division.

Interstitial 2 contains samples of "Off the record interview with Randy Newman, [1986-1988?]-04-15" by Smith, Joe (1928-) (Interviewer) and Newman, Randy (Interviewee). Retrieved from Joe Smith Collection at the Library of Congress, Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division.

Interstitial 3 contains samples of "Bull frog blues" by Brown, Tom -- Composer, Six Brown Brothers -- Musical Group, Klickmann, F. Henri -- Arranger, Shrigley, Guy -- Composer, Brown, Fred -- Instrumentalist -- Alto Saxophone, Brown, Alec -- Instrumentalist -- Baritone Saxophone, Brown, Vern -- Instrumentalist -- Bass Saxophone, Brown, Tom -- Instrumentalist -- Alto Saxophone, Fink, Harry -- Instrumentalist -- Tenor Saxophone, and Brown, William -- Instrumentalist -- Tenor Saxophone. Retrieved from Library of Congress, National Jukebox.

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We have undertaken something, the consequences of which we know not

We imagine we will be forced to choose

Something in us dramatizes the choice

We have created a universe of opposites

Which cannot be reconciled

We have created a dichotomy

The parts of which we cannot interpret


Except of HEADLINES from ATALANTA, Acts of God by ROBERT ASHLEY


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People in Places14 Feb 202401:00:00

Mike talks with sociophonologist Lisa B. Davidson about why influencer voice exists, and with bass player and YouTuber Adam Neely about the people who have been retiring from YouTube.

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Why Does Influencer Voice Exist?

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https://bsky.app/profile/lisabdavidson.bsky.social

TikToks sampled:


The Great YouTube Retirement

Birdsong ID app, Merlin: https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/

 


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I want to be famous to shuffling men   
who smile while crossing streets,   
sticky children in grocery lines,   
famous as the one who smiled back.

I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous,   
or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular,   
but because it never forgot what it could do.


Excerpt of Famous, by Naomi Shihab Nye. 


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I'm Mad, You're Mad, We're All Mad Here31 Jan 202400:52:29

On the disappearance of tween-specific fashion trends, and the epidemic of Posting Disease plaguing social media. Also: a man on a mission.

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2010 Pop by Akira Sora at Free Music Archive

Dream Pop by Holizna CC0 at Free Music Archive

Retro Synths by Holizna CC0 at Free Music Archive

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Episode 0: Independent Media Roundtable31 Jan 202400:37:07

To kick things off, we had a roundtable conversation with a trio of makers and thinkers, all of whom are creating independent media. They are Gita Jackson (Aftermath), Alex Sujong Laughlin (Defector Media), and Rusty Foster (Today in Tabs).

We wanted to talk with Gita, Alex and Rusty about the current state of media, and why each of them has decided to strike out beyond the big, legacy media organizations and create something new.

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Never Post Is A Podcast About The Internet18 Jan 202400:04:21

Welcome to my hometown. First episode in early 2024.

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Post from the Field: Mike Goes to the Studio in the Rain06 Nov 202401:01:05

Episode coming later this week. For now: something meaningless.


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A Feed to Call One’s Own23 Oct 202400:53:22

Georgia talks with communications scholar and privacy researcher Alice Marwick about “Are We Dating the Same Guy?” groups, and how hard it is to keep private communities private. Contributing producer Noah Hertz files a story about the best, smallest social network you’ve never heard of. Also: MIKE DIES??? 🎃 👻



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Are We Dating the Same Guy?

David Social

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when I first died, I stole a lock of your hair while you slept

Now I dip it in ink when the mood strikes

and the times you visit and kneel so pretty on the grass above me,

that’s not scratching you hear. It’s writing. 


except of Poem to Line My Casket with, Ramona, by Josh Bell


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Our Dearly Decommissioned09 Oct 202400:54:43

We visit the funeral for CrowdTangle, a social listening app that was used by disinformation and human rights researchers. Mike talks with Dallas Taylor, host of the podcast 20k Hertz, about why podcasts sound the way they do. And also: videogame menu music!



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  • Brazil's top court says X paid pending fines to wrong bank – Reuters
  • Musk's X paid $5 million in fines to the wrong bank, Brazil's Supreme Court said - Business Insider
  • After weeks of drama, SF tech CEO gives workers $30,000 to quit – SFGate
  • 159 employees are leaving Automattic as CEO’s fight with WP Engine escalates – TechCrunch
  • How to Delete Your 23andme Data Amid the Company's Turmoil – MSN
  • California enacts laws to protect child influencers' financial security – NBC
  • DoNotPay has to pay $193K for falsely touting untested AI lawyer, FTC says – ArsTechnica 

CrowdTangle, We Barely Knew Thee

Why Do Podcasts Sound Like That, with Dallas Taylor

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Having been taught by fools, how else could i have ended up but as I am? a man who panics at the sound of his own voice, a blusterer, afraid that within the five pointed maple leaf there lies another name he never knew; ready, always, to be found wrong. 


Excerpt of ON FIRE by Andrew Feld


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The State of Podcasting Roundtable, Oct. 202403 Oct 202400:58:41

Senior producer Hans Buetow leads a conversation with three makers and thinkers in the podcast space — Mia Lobel (Freelance Cafe, fmr. Pushkin Industries), Lauren Passell (Tink Media) and Ronald Young, Jr. (Weight For It). We perform a health check on the podcast industry, to see who it’s working for, and who not.



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Where I'm At Right Now25 Sep 202400:56:27

Georgia talks to Cliff Lampe, Professor of Information at the UMich School of Information about how Find My has become indispensable technology of friendship in a hypergamified social-media landscape. Then, Hans talks with Dr. Brooke Erin Duffy, associate professor in the Department of Communication at Cornell University, about the need to be vulnerable as an influencer. And also: [REDACTED]


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  • Elon Musk's X blinks in standoff with Brazil – Yahoo.com
  • Elon Musk’s X Backs Down in Brazil – NYT
  • Lionsgate Inks Deal With AI Firm to Mine Its Massive Film and TV Library – Hollywood Reporter
  • Runway Partners with Lionsgate – runwayml dot com
  • Three Mile Island to Host New Disaster in Exclusive Deal to Power Microsoft AI – Splinter.com
  • Microsoft deal would reopen Three Mile Island nuclear plant to power AI – WaPo
  • After CEO’s arrest, Telegram says it will now turn some bad actors’ data over to law enforcement – CNN

  • Read Oldster!
  • Find me on Something Rotten talking about Spec Ops: The Line
  • Jacob Geller’s Swordstream 2024 Announcement
  • Find me on Jay Springett’s Experience.Computer on Sept. 26th

Find My Friend Surveillance

Vulnerableposting

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Now I promise the shriek that the pressure of days, the pressure of days will be weapon. We drive and we drive, we blare music, we go on. On the highway of our lost intentions, all signs are strident, all exits goodbye.


Except of [Now I promise…] by Karen Volkman


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