Explore every episode of the podcast Mr. Gummi Podcast
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| Ep. 42 "Crap No One Tells You About Digital Marketing" with Adam Benjamin of Starke Marketing | 09 May 2023 | 00:41:59 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Adam Benjamin joins us to discuss some of the unknown aspects within the digital marketing landscape. With over 15 years of experience in marketing, Adam recognized (and capitalized on) the shift from traditional to digital marketing early on, and has recently helped Starke raise tens of millions of dollars in revenue for many businesses, ranging from start-ups to some of the top companies in the world. Now, he is here to share his field knowledge as we talk about the marketing mistakes of small businesses, modern advertising, the impact of ChatGPT on the industry, Ad-spend, how digital and social media marketing affects CPM, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 41 "Crap No One Tells You About Managing Your Money" with Christopher Nelson of 1847Financial | 04 Apr 2023 | 00:39:12 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Christopher Nelson joins us to talk about the things you might not know about managing your money. With over a decade of experience as a financial advisor, Chris is here to share about and clarify the aspects of good financial planning, leveraging your money, interest rates, debt, student loan management, 401k planning, tools and resources that can help you effectively manage finances, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 32 “Crap No One Tells You About Business Taxes” with Jennifer Faust of Lehigh Bookkeeping | 27 Dec 2022 | 00:34:25 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Jennifer Faust joins the pod to talk all about business taxes. As an experienced CPA, Jen values being a “people-person” just as much as being a “numbers-person.” Now, she is here to explain the value of being empathetic as an accountant, how tax semantics can differ between businesses, how to prepare taxes, deductions, the importance of having a trustworthy CPA, and much more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 31 “Crap No One Tells You About Running a Martial Arts Studio” with Mr. M of Action Karate | 20 Dec 2022 | 00:30:11 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Mr. M joins us to talk about what it takes to be an instructor and manage a karate school. After many years of practicing martial arts, Mr. M has put his passion into instructing, leading, and inspiring through the sport. Now, he is here to share his story and some of the crap you may not know about his profession, such as the art of instruction, the importance of creating a connection between students and instructors, how participation can help physical and mental development, the business aspects of running a martial arts studio, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 30 “Crap No One Tells You About The Physical Therapy Industry” w/ Caleb Knippenberg of CORE 3 PT | 13 Dec 2022 | 00:33:43 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Caleb Knippenberg joins us to talk about the ins and outs of the physical therapy industry. There’s a lot of crap that can go wrong with your body, and for many of those issues, physical therapy can be a solution. After years of experience in the field, Caleb is now here to tell us about some of the problems and how they’re addressed through physical therapy, the most commonly seen injuries, diagnosis discrepancies, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 29 “Crap No One Tells You About Home Inspections” with Kyle Fisher of Landmark Home Inspections | 06 Dec 2022 | 00:35:30 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Kyle Fisher tells us all about his job as a home inspector and what goes into home inspections. Working in this field requires a crap-ton of knowledge and attention to specifics in all areas of the house, and Kyle is now here to share the details about inspection reports, evaluation process of aspects and issues in the home, signs of a “lipstick on a pick” house, standards and codes, the home inspector’s role in home-buying, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 28 “Crap No One Tells You About Corporate Leadership & Management” with Chris Williams of CLWill, LLC | 29 Nov 2022 | 00:37:05 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Chris Williams (“CLWill”) joins us to talk about his experience and lessons regarding leadership in the workplace. As the leader of many teams over his 40 years of experience, and former VP of HR at Microsoft, Chris has perfected his craft. Lucky for us, he’s here to share some of his knowledge and stories as we talk about the framework and importance of great leadership, team building, HR management, communication in the workplace, and more! Chris Williams Leadership Advisor and Consultant, CLWill, LLC https://www.clwill.com/ Make sure to check out Chris’s Tiktok Podcast, “Leading Smart”! Social Media: @CLWill on Youtube, @TheCLWill on Tiktok & Twitter Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! www.redknight.com RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 27 “Crap No One Tells You About Running a Brewery” with Tanya Horst of Blueprint Brewing | 22 Nov 2022 | 00:31:32 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Tanya Horst joins us to talk about what it takes to run a brewery. There’s a ton of crap that goes into managing the business-end of a brewery… basically everything except for brewing the beer! Having dealt with everything from bureaucratic and supply chain issues, to beer release schedules, to studying types of beer and hops, to inner workings of the equipment and facilities, Tanya is here to talk about it all and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 26 “Crap No One Tells You About Being an Office Manager” with Sam Pagel of Core 3 Physical Therapy | 15 Nov 2022 | 00:36:33 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Sam Pagel tells us all about what being an office manager entails. From establishing culture and leading employees, to problem-solving and enforcing policies and procedures, there is a lot of crap that falls under the responsibility of office managers. After holding the position for years, Sam is here to explain all of these responsibilities, processes, lesser known aspects of the job, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 25 “Crap No One Tells You About Being a Financial Advisor” with Rick Wagner of Raymond James | 08 Nov 2022 | 00:35:28 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Rick Wagner joins us to talk about what goes into being a financial advisor. Many people fail to realize what a true financial advisor, or financial “craftsman,” truly helps their clients to achieve. Luckily, Rick is here to explain how financial advisors can help you mitigate risk and save for the future, what a broker check is, the importance of prioritizing financial goals, and much more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 24 “Crap No One Tells You About Content Marketing” with Laurel Cavalluzzo of Empirical Consulting Solutions | 01 Nov 2022 | 00:38:31 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Laurel Cavalluzzo joins us to talk about content marketing. Content marketing, and content in general, has shifted significantly in a short period as more people pick up their phones to absorb content on demand. As someone who has experienced this shift directly in her field, Laurel is here to explain marketing strategies, content generation, how companies have been adapting their content marketing to the times, the importance of delivering information in content, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 23 “Crap No One Tells You About Business Consulting” with John Benson of Penglase & Benson | 25 Oct 2022 | 00:35:51 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, John Benson tells us all about business consulting, and how crucial it is for new small business owners to find guidance. As an attorney and someone who has started his own business, John understands the hardships and necessary steps involved in starting a business, and is here to talk about what people should focus on when starting a business, the trend of businesses failing early on, how to avoid a quick descent, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 40 “Crap No One Tells You About The Hotel Industry” with Robert Lepore of National Hotel Consultants, LLC | 28 Mar 2023 | 00:37:26 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Robert Lepore joins us to talk all about the Hotel Industry. With over 30 years of hotel management experience, Bob has seen almost everything that the business has to offer. Now, he is here to share about the industry from a general manager's point of view, what it takes to run and work at a hotel, how the business has changed due to COVID (and what it used to be like), how to search for hotels and assess reviews, the operations and marketing of big hotel brands, financial aspects of the trade, and much more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 22 “Crap No One Tells You About Being A Nurse” with Samantha Hainer of My Nurse Ally | 18 Oct 2022 | 00:39:23 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Samantha Hainer (RN) breaks down the reality of being a nurse. Working in the field, she has put in the long hours, witnessing first-hand how rewarding, and taxing, it is to be a nurse. Now, Samantha is here to share her experiences and knowledge, explaining the differences between types of nurses, the types of care nurses provide, issues that nurses and the nursing field face, her new business venture, and more! Samantha Hainer, BSN, RN Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 21 "Crap No One Tells You About Running a Board" with Mary Griffith Alfarano of Fulton Bank | 11 Oct 2022 | 00:35:40 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Mary talks to us about her experience as chairman of the board for Laurel House, a non-profit that works to end domestic violence. As a firm believer of the mission of the foundation and fulfilling her civic duty, she has been able to successfully lead the board, and the non-profit as a whole. Now, Mary is here to explain the mindset and personality traits needed to be on a non-profit board, different types of boards and positions, types of skill-sets needed on a board, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 20 “Crap No One Tells You About Insurance” with Rick Millham of Millham Insurance | 04 Oct 2022 | 00:40:37 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Rick Millham talks about everyone’s favorite topic: Insurance. Knowledge of the different forms of insurance, the difference between brokers and agents, and financial ramifications of different policies and types of coverage is extremely important when managing risk and protecting yourself in the best possible ways, but remains lesser-known. Luckily, Rick is here to explain it all and more in a way that will NOT bore the crap out of you! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 19 “Crap No One Tells You About Being an Architect” with Kevin Smith of Stampfl Associates | 29 Sep 2022 | 00:27:17 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Kevin Smith joins us to talk about the path to becoming an architect, and what an architect’s work actually entails. With over 25 years of experience and knowledge gained in the industry, Kevin is here to break down the full blueprint of crap that comes with being an architect, such as the grueling educational requirements, trend changes in the field, different concepts and considerations in designs, creating "projects," and more! Kevin Smith, AIA, NCARB RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 18 “Crap No One Tells You About Running a Chamber" with Pamela Kelly of Montco Chamber of Commerce | 27 Sep 2022 | 00:28:00 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Pam Kelly joins us to talk about what running a chamber of commerce entails. Once a crappy chamber, the Montgomery County Chamber of Commerce turned into a beneficial organization for local business owners with Pam’s leadership, and she’s here to tell us about the challenges of running a chamber, benefits of being a member, what to look for in a chamber, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 17 “Crap No One Tells You About Becoming a Doctor" with Dr. Mark Lund of Twin Lights Coaching | 22 Sep 2022 | 00:35:33 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Dr. Mark Lund joins us to talk about his experience in the medical field. Many enter the field to do good and help patients, but there is a ton of crap that doctors have to deal with in terms of bureaucracy, insurance companies, the rigors of practicing medicine in itself, and the overall emotional toll. Luckily, Dr. Mark is here to tell us about all of these things and more.
RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 16 “Crap No One Tells You About Becoming a Streamer" with Kristine Graham of Key Renters | 20 Sep 2022 | 00:31:07 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Kristine Graham tells us about her personal experience within the realm of video game streaming. It’s a “long slog” through the crap along the way to becoming a professional streamer, from building an audience and community to monetizing your streams, and Kristine is here to explain these intricacies and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 15 “Crap No One Tells You About Being an Entrepreneur" Terrence Carroll of New Beginnings | 17 Sep 2022 | 00:40:44 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Terrence Carroll breaks down his entrepreneurial journey. After attempting to start multiple businesses in different fields, he finally was able to find something that he enjoys, and ultimately turned it into his own successful company. Terrence encountered a lot of crap on his path to being an entrepreneur, and now he’s here to explain his personal experiences, what it is to build a company, the importance of enjoying and understanding your job, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 14 “Crap No One Tells You About Business Reputation Management" with Joe Cover of Digital One | 15 Sep 2022 | 00:33:46 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Joe Cover speaks to us about the realm of reputation management and how he got into the business. In a world where people love to leave crappy comments on Yelp, Google, and other review mediums, it is incredibly important to manage your business’s image. Joe’s job is to do just that, and he’s here to break down how to build a positive image, removing and responding to reviews, the role of the business in handling their own reputations, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 13 “Crap No One Tells You About Being a Funeral Director" with Jason Oz of Varcoe-Thomas Funeral Home | 08 Sep 2022 | 00:37:59 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Jason “Oz” Oszczakiewicz joins us to talk about the funeral industry and what it is to be a funeral director. With almost 30 years of experience and many weekends on the job, Jason is here to explain all the crap that surrounds the business of death, such as what goes into the funeral planning process, different service options, education and training requirements, hazards, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 39 “Crap No One Tells You About Growing Up Without a Mentor” w/ Rob Peterman of Big Brothers Big Sisters Bucks County | 28 Feb 2023 | 00:32:57 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Rob Peterman joins us to talk about the power of mentorship and Big Brothers Big Sisters. Serving as our mentor for the duration of the pod, Rob tells us all about what Big Brothers Big Sisters is as an organization, his personal anecdote about how much his mentor helped and changed the course of his life for the better, how the organization helps vulnerable youth succeed, what it takes to become a “big” or “little” in BBBS, how the agency checks and matches mentors, how to help the agency, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 12 “Crap No One Tells You About Being a Realtor" with Seth Lejeune of RE/MAX Homepoint | 06 Sep 2022 | 00:35:12 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Seth Lejeune joins us to talk about what it truly is to be a realtor, and more importantly, a good realtor. Discussing the lesser known details of crap under the real estate umbrella, such as education and training, agents, brokers, personal relations, financial aspects and more, Seth shows that the business is much more complex than reality television tends to show. RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 11 “Crap No One Tells You About Transitioning from Stay-at-Home Mom to Entrepreneur ” with Liz Hewson of Twin Lights Coaching | 01 Sep 2022 | 00:28:04 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Liz Hewson joins us to talk about her path from being a stay-at-home mother to being an entrepreneur. Being a mother is a full-time job in itself, and Liz is here to explain how she transferred her parenting experience and skills to her entrepreneurial endeavor, and more!
RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 10 “Crap No One Tells You About Starting a Business from a Legal Perspective ” with Mike Terkanian of Terkanian Law | 30 Aug 2022 | 00:37:55 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Mike Terkanian talks to us about common contract mistakes, what people fail to realize when filing their company’s status, and more. When legal errors are made, the simple “if you build it they will come” concept becomes a load of crap, and Mike is here to provide guidance on how to prevent these pitfalls. Michael Terkanian Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 9 “Crap No One Tells You About Being an Electrician” with Vince Vaccaro of Vaccaro Electric | 25 Aug 2022 | 00:29:44 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Vince Vaccaro gives us insight into the life of an electrician. With a rising trend in “YouTube Electricians” giving crappy advice, Vince is here to provide credible information and uncommon knowledge that comes with over 35 years of experience in the trade. RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 8 “Crap No One Tells You About Being a Public Adjuster” with James Wagner of Alliance Adjustment Group | 23 Aug 2022 | 00:37:53 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, James Wagner breaks down what his being a public adjuster actually entails. What James describes as his “perfect job” is mostly unknown to the public, and he’s here to provide clarifications, explanations, and ways that a public adjuster can help YOU! James Wagner President-CEO of Alliance Adjustment Group, Inc. http://www.allianceadjustment.com/about-us/ Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! www.redknight.com RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 7 “Crap No One Tells You About Running a Daycare” with Dawn Stear of First Friends Child Care | 15 Aug 2022 | 00:30:54 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Dawn Stear joins us to speak about what it’s like to own and run a daycare center. With more than 30 years of operating experience, Dawn tells us how important it is to not only be attentive in her line of work, but to be available 24/7, and more! Dawn Stear Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 6 “Crap No One Tells You About Running a Restaurant” with Tom McKee of Edward Jones | 09 Aug 2022 | 00:25:42 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Tom McKee speaks about the 18 years of experience he accrued in the restaurant industry prior to working in his current field of financial advising. Along with the good, Tom breaks down how working in the restaurant and hospitality business comes with a lot of crap, including mental and physical strain, instability, and more. Thomas McKee, AAMS Financial Advisor at Edward Jones in Landsdale, PA https://www.edwardjones.com/us-en/financial-advisor/thomas-mckee Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! https://www.redknight.com/ RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 5 "Crap No One Tells You About Working for a Non-Profit" with Linda Beane of the Kelly Anne Dolan Memorial Fund | 02 Aug 2022 | 00:38:41 | |
On this episode of “Crap No One Tells You,” Lind Beane joins us to share what it’s like to work for a non-profit. Speaking from over 30 years of experience, Linda has seen a lot of crap in the field that makes it hard for idealists who want to make an immediate change, and she’s here to tell us about it and more! Linda Beane Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 4 " Crap No One Tells You About Hypnotherapy" with Chas Billera of Third Eye Hypnosis & Beyond | 26 Jul 2022 | 00:24:35 | |
On this episode of “Crap No One Tells You,” Chas Billera joins us to discuss misconceptions and the truth about hypnosis and hypnotherapy. While many believe the crap about hypnosis being “zombies and pocket watches” or “truth serum,” Chas clarifies how YOU are in control of this healing practice. Chas Billera, C.Ht. Hypnotherapist, Executive Life Coach, and Certified Reconnective Healing Foundational Practitioner Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! https://www.redknight.com/ RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 3 " Crap No One Tells You About College" with Jay London, "The College Advice Guy" | 19 Jul 2022 | 00:37:01 | |
On this episode of “Crap No One Tells You,” Jay London (aka. “The College Advice Guy”) joins us to discuss crucial considerations and misconceptions regarding the college experience. The notion that “the college process is all laid out for you” is a load of crap, and Jay explains why. Jay London Independent Educational Consultant PACAC, NJACAC Member https://thecollegeadviceguy.com/ Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! https://www.redknight.com/ RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 38 “Crap No One Tells You About Buying Real Estate” with Seth Lejeune of RE/MAX Homepoint | 21 Feb 2023 | 00:37:42 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Seth Lejeune returns to the studio. Rather than talking more about realtors, we chat about the buyer’s end and the process of buying real estate this time around. As a realtor, Seth knows a thing or two about buying real estate, and now he’s here to share his inside knowledge about the steps one should follow when buying, choosing a lender, the transactional ins-and-outs, inspections and appraisals, mortgages, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 2 " Crap No One Tells You About Business Insurance" with Bob Smyrl of Smyrl Insurance | 12 Jul 2022 | 00:23:53 | |
On this episode of “Crap No One Tells You,” we speak to Bob Smyrl of Smyrl Insurance. As we discuss the benefits and crap that comes with business insurance, Bob makes one thing clear: Not all insurance is created equal. Bob Smyrl, CIC President of Smyrl Insurance https://www.smyrl-insurance.com/ Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! https://www.redknight.com/ RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 1 " Crap No One Tells You About Mortgages," Mike Thompson of Gouveia and Thompson Mortgage Pros | 16 Jun 2022 | 00:26:13 | |
On this episode of “Crap No One Tells You,” we speak to Michael Thompson of Gouveia and Thompson Mortgage Pros. Being in the mortgage industry for 18 years, Mike has seen a lot of crap, from subprime mortgages to the post-pandemic state of loan and mortgage qualification processes, and everything in between. Michael Thompson NMLS #168936 https://gtmortgagepros.com/ Thank you to our sponsor RedKnight! https://www.redknight.com/ RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 37 “Crap No One Tells You About Video Marketing” with Jimmy Talbert of WHYnot Results | 31 Jan 2023 | 00:33:55 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Jimmy Talbert joins us to talk all about video marketing. As Co-Founder and Head of Marketing for WHYnot Results, Jimmy has worked with, and learned from, some of the most innovative marketers in the world… and has the results to show for it! From his studio in Arizona, Jimmy is here to tell us about the current state and evolution of video marketing, what his job entails, content creation and production, editing and the use of “jump-cuts,” stories from the job, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 36 “Crap No One Tells You About Franchising” with Dawn Abbamondi of SMB Franchise Advisors | 24 Jan 2023 | 00:33:10 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Dawn Abbamondi speaks to us about all the crap we didn’t know about franchising. With over 20 years in the franchising industry, and having been a franchisee herself, Dawn is a “franchise player.” Now, Dawn is here to tell us about what it takes to be a franchisor/franchisee, guidelines and regulations, financial aspects of opening a franchise, the necessary knowledge a franchisee should have before opening a business, transfer processes and restrictions, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 35 “Crap No One Tells You About Medicare” with Justin Kendter of K Insurance Solutions | 17 Jan 2023 | 00:36:19 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Justin Kendter talks to us about the lesser known aspects of Medicare. As an insurance broker who specializes in plans for Medicare beneficiaries, Justin is well-versed in the field. Today, he is here to discuss the lesser known crap regarding the topic and his profession, such as Medicare regulations, what his job entails, prescription plan details, coverage aspects, enrollment timeframes, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 34 “Crap No One Tells You About Tech School” with Mike Esposito, Tech Ed Instructor at MBIT | 10 Jan 2023 | 00:41:52 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Mike Esposito joins us to talk all about tech school. As someone who has tons of experience in IT and tech-ed, Mike has seen the benefits of technical school on others, and reaped them himself. Now, he is here to speak about the benefits tech school can bring those who do not want to attend traditional colleges, the different programs and certifications within the technical field, schooling options and work opportunities in the trades, and more! Mike Esposito, CompTIA Certified (A+, Network+, Security+) RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||
| Ep. 33 “Crap No One Tells You About Being a Female Homeowner” with Beth Allen of DIY Hip Chicks | 03 Jan 2023 | 00:37:09 | |
On this episode of Crap No One Tells You, Beth Allen joins us to talk about being, and what it takes to be, a female homeowner. As a homeowner, licensed contractor, and teacher of home-improvement, Beth has a crap-ton of knowledge and experience in her toolbelt. Join our conversation as she explains what goes into being a good homeowner, how to avoid falling victim to home improvement scams, what to look for when attempting to fix issues in the home, how to stay vigilant when attempting DIY home improvement labor, and more! RedKnight.com - our sponsor and host | |||