Explore every episode of the podcast Migration Conversations

Meet  filmmaker and artist Sook-Yin Lee,  graphic artist Chester Brown and experts Dr. Chris Bruckert and Dr. Ummni Khan. Following a screening of the film Paying For It, this panel discussed the book behind the film, and how how law circumscribes love, intimacy and our relationships. Sponsored by the Greenberg Chair for Women and the Legal Profession, this event took place in September 2025. 

Meet Ardi Imseis, law professor and lawyer who represented Palestine before the International Court of Justice in the Advisory Opinion on Israel's Illegal Presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Professor Imseis is also the author of The United Nations and the Question of Palestine. He talks about the advisory opinion and what it means for international law and how we can harness it for the continuing BDS movement.

Join this intimate conversation between Adelle Blackett, Canada Research Chair in Transnational Labour Law at the Faculty of Law, McGill University and Canisia Lubrin, award winning poet and writer who teaches at the University of Guelph Creative Writing MFA program. They talk about Canisia's debut fiction Code Noir and the enduring legacies of the colonial law that created the material conditions of slavery.

We speak with Reakash Walters as she provides an analytical toolkit for those who want to work with and not merely represent marginalized peoples and communities. She shares her research co-conducted with a former prisoner and how her friendship with him brings to light how Black friendship is criminalized in Canada. An important conversation about participatory law, and how lawyers can be part of community struggles in respectful ways.

We speak with four lawyers who intervene in the courts on behalf of community organizations. What is an intervention and why is it an important entry point for community organizations to converse with the courts. With Sandra Ka Hon Chu, Rosel Kim, Annamaria Enenajor and Naseem Mithoowani, we talk about four case studies they worked on, the importance of incremental change, and how the long game is important to have in sight.

Meet award winning writer, performance artist and community healer Kai Cheng Thom. She talks about how love can be a framework for transformative change and how even in the face of hate and denialism, compassion and love is what she has for everyone, even those that have none for her. We talk about her latest book, Falling in Love with Being Human, and how law students can use love in movement lawyering and community building. A must listen.

Meet Justin Piché, co author of the book How to Abolish Prisons with Rachel Herzing. We talk about this book and how abolition is not just a theoretical concept but a practice and a possibility. Justin reveals his research with Rachel and how collective reconstruction to get rid of human cages is a viable movement despite the dark struggles around us.

In this episode, I speak with Petra Molnar about her new book The Walls Have Eyes where her research uncovers what technological experiments are taking place at various borders around the world on migrants as test subjects, and how the consequences of greater use and lack of oversight over tech use on people will shape our society in harmful ways. We discuss how such technology may reinforce and reproduce colonial, racist and oppressive ideas and systems.

Martin Luther King Jr once said that civil disobedience is not lawlessness but a higher form of lawfulness. In this episode, I speak with Faisal Bhabha, Irina Ceric and Paul Champ, lawyers and scholars intimate with protest and law. We talk about three case studies and what are appropriate legal limits to protest in a democratic society.

Meet immigration and refugee lawyer, Debbie Rachlis. We talk about the Gaza Special Measures Program, why nobody has been able to come through that program, and what it tells us about IRCC's ad hoc approaches to humanitarian crises.

Meet Douglas Chong, director of the Hawai'i Chinese History Centre. We talk about the long historical presence of Chinese in Hawai'i, how personal and community archives are essential to counter narratives produced by Western sources, and why it is important to remember the past.

Meet Esther Yoo, Director of the Refugee and Immigration Law Clinic at the William S. Richardson School of Law at the University of Hawai'i. We talk about how immigration and refugee law clients and issues are unique in Hawai'i and the kind of representation and challenges her clinic and students address. They provide services to unaccompanied children, migrant workers and asylum seekers through mobile clinics. We also talk about the tensions that migrants working in farms and tourist spots like hotels, owned by corporations in continental US, represent vis-a-vis Native Hawaiian and local claims of dispossession and imperialism.

Meet Dr. Nandita Sharma, author of Home Rule: National Sovereignty and the Separation of Natives and Migrants. Her provocative book interrogates the nation-state system and the anti-colonial and post-colonial aspiration to seek nationalized sovereignty through a terr=itorialized form - that sovereignty as territorial rule is the pinnacle of liberation for some communities. In this conversation, I ask Dr. Sharma some tough questions and she provides an articulate invitation to think about things differently as we discuss how we move towards a decolonized and more equitable world.

Meet Dr. Kyle Kajihiro who teaches at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa in Ethnic Studies and Geography and Environment. His research focuses on U.S. imperial formations, militarization, and Indigenous and decolonial social movements in Hawaiʻi and the Pacific region. He is also a founding member of Hawai'i Peace and Justice, an organization working to promote peace and social justice in Hawai'i through community organizing, popular education, art and nonviolent direct action. In this episode, we talk about the Detour project an educational tour project which give visitors insights into the realities of militarization and tourism . If you have been or plan on traveling to Hawai'i, this is a must listen to episode - a kind of audio guide alternative to the info you might receive otherwise.

Meet Dr. Kyle Kajihiro who teaches at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa in Ethnic Studies and Geography and Environment. His research focuses on U.S. imperial formations, militarization, and Indigenous and decolonial social movements in Hawaiʻi and the Pacific region. He is also a founding member of Hawai'i Peace and Justice, an organization working to promote peace and social justice in Hawai'i through community organizing, popular education, art and nonviolent direct action. In this episode, we talk about the Detour project an educational tour project which give visitors insights into the realities of militarization and tourism . If you have been or plan on traveling to Hawai'i, this is a must listen to episode - a kind of audio guide alternative to the info you might receive otherwise.

In the 4th episode of the Hawai'i series of the Migration Conversations Podcast, I speak with Dr. John Rosa, and associate professor of history at the University of Hawai’i at Mānoa. Dr. Rosa’s research focuses on the social and cultural history of twentieth-century Hawai’i and the histories of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in the United States. He is the author of the acclaimed book Local Story: The Massie/Kahahawai Case and the Culture of History - a riveting book on the legal proceedings surrounding a white woman who accused five racialized men of rape in the 1930s and the murder of Joseph Kahahawai.

In the third instalment of Migration Conversations' Hawai'i Series, I speak with Dr. Jonathan Goldberg-Hiller, a professor in political science at the College of Social Sciences, University of Hawai’i at Mānoa. His research focuses on the mobilization of rights discourses in various contexts. We discuss his new book Law by Night, nocturnal legal theory and how law is both present and absent from this temporal space. In our discussion he raises questions about the right to sleep, the freedom to organize and assert agency at night, and how night has shaped the politics of race, vigilantism, gun ownership and white feminist actions like Take Back the Night.

Welcome to the second episode of a special series of Migration Conversations in Hawai'i. In this episode I am in conversation with Reece Jones, a professor at the University of Hawai’i at Mānoa in the department of geography and environment. The author of four books in this episode, we talk about his book titled White Borders: The History of Race and Immigration in the United States from Chinese Exclusion to the Border Wall. Check out his latest book: Nobody is Protected: How the Border Patrol Became the Most Dangerous Police Force in the United States.

Welcome to the first episode of a special series of Migration Conversations in Hawai'i. In this episode I am in conversation with Noelani Goodyear-Ka’ōpua in an outdoor park with light rain tickling us. Born to young activists and UH graduates, Noelani grew up around Hawai’I communities and movements organizing around evictions, environmental degradation and economic injustice. Now a professor in political science at the College of Social Sciences, University of Hawai’I at Manoā, her work focuses on documenting, theorizing and practising Hawaiian sovereignty movement and invests her time and energy into education and the ‘āina, nurturing critical thinkers and doers. Her book Nā Wāhine Koa: Hawaiian Women for Sovereignty and Demilitarization is a collaboration with four activist elders who helped catalyze Hawaiian movements of the late 20th century.

This episode features the collective work of three scholars about their book, Containing Diversity: Canada and the Politics of Immigration in the 21st Century - an important teaching tool but also essential reading for those working and thinking about immigration policy. Yasmeen Abu-Laban, Ethel Tungohan, Christina Gabriel talk about care work as a methodology, the contradictions in our immigration policy and the preferred versus the restricted categories that animate our system.

In this episode I speak with Gabriela Casineanu about the Immigrant Writers Association, how writing can be cathartic and an important way to share stories and perspectives of migrants. Check out their four anthologies of writing from various writers.

Meet Renisa Mawani, Canada Research Chair in Colonial Legal Histories at the University of British Columbia. She is the author of Across Oceans of Law published by Duke University Press. I speak with Renisa about her research tracing the currents and counter-currents of British / colonial law and Indian radicalism through the 1914 journey of the SS Komagata Maru.

Meet Heba Gowayed, an economic sociologist at Boston University. She is the author of "Refuge: How the State Shapes Human Potential". Her book follows the journeys of Syrians who sought refuge in Canada, Germany and the United States. Dr. Gowayed's insights in how states design refugee programs and how that affects people's resettlement experiences is illuminating.

Meet Jennifer Elrick, professor in the Department of Sociology at McGill University. Author of Making Middle-Class Multiculturalism: Immigration Bureaucrats and Policymaking in Postwar Canada, we talk about how bureaucrats in the federal government drove policy making in the area of immigration through their review of who is admissible to Canada in individual decision-making. A fascinating look at how Canada's immigration system was built in the administrative arm and how perceptions of race, skillsets and family are reflected in policy.

Meet Natalie Wee, a queer poet who writes about migration, borders, papers, and interrogates what it means to be a queer, racialized person in Canada. We talk about what it is like to live with precarious immigration status, and how writing is a source of comfort and advocacy.

Meet Deepan Budlakoti. Born and raised in Canada, Deepan had a Canadian birth certificate and Canadian passport. Then one day he was told he was not a citizen and overnight he became a foreigner and stateless. We talk about how he became stateless, what his life in limbo is like, and what you can do to support his fight to reclaim his citizenship.

Meet Dr. Shauna Labman, the expert on refugee resettlement in Canada. She is an award winning author of two books: Crossing Law's Border: Canada's Refugee Resettlement Program and Strangers to Neighbours: Refugee Sponsorship in Context. We talk about what is resettlement, the complementary features of the program, and critiques and concerns as the program evolves. We also talk about the current refugee situation globally in Afghanistan and Ukraine in particular.

Meet Carrianne Leung, Jenny Heijun Wills and Lindsay Wong, all award winning authors in Canada. We talk about the craft of writing, the fluidity and complication of identity as writers, and how migration and diasporic experiences inform their work.

Meet author Francesca Ekwuyasi, author of Butter Honey Pig Bread. Her debut novel was longlisted for the 2020 Giller Prize, finalist for CBC's 2021 Canada Reads competition, the 2021 Lambda Literary Ward, 2021 Governor General's Award, the 2021 Amazon Canada First Novel Award and the 2021 ReLit Award. We talk about migration but also about folklore, food, relationships and writing.

Meet Kashif Ali, a criminalized migrant who was detained in Canada for seven years. Kashif talks about his addition, how his addiction led to his criminalization and repeated imprisonment, and how his statelessness kept him in prison indefinitely without any hope for deportation. Kashif hopes his experience will convince people that immigration detention should not be used to manage our borders.

Meet Jared Will, an immigration and refugee lawyer, who is well known, among other things, for representing persons in immigration detention. We talk about the shortcomings of the immigration detention system, but why detention should not be used at all, and the limits of legal remedies in such a system.

Meet Alvin Brown, a Black man deported from Canada. Alvin Brown was adopted as a child and grew up in Canada. Unbeknownst to him, Alvin was not a Canadian citizen and had never acquired citizenship. As a young man, he came into conflict with the criminal law which rendered him inadmissible to Canada. Alvin tells us his heartbreaking story about the years spent in Canadian immigration detention awaiting to be deported, his deportation and his life today.

Meet Justice Mavin Wong. She was appointed to the Ontario Court of Justice in 2000 and currently presides at College Park Court, which is one of two criminal courthouses in downtown Toronto. Prior to her appointment, Justice Wong practised as a criminal defence lawyer specializing in youth justice cases. In our conversation we talk about her personal links with the infamous Supreme Court of Canada case of Quong Wing, and her advice for young lawyers aspiring to be judges.

Statelessness & COVID-19 This is an encore presentation of a webinar featuring 5 grassroots organizations and researchers sharing their observations and insights of the experiences of stateless persons in the pandemic in Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Kuwait and Malaysia. Sponsored by the University of Ottawa Public Law Centre and the Human Rights Research and Education Centre, the presentations flow from a themed commentary that is published in volume 3(1) of the Statelessness & Citizenship Review.

Meet the Honourable Ahmed Hussen. He is a graduate of the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law, co-founded Regent Park Community Council, was national president of the Canadian Somali Congress, and practised criminal, immigration and human rights law. Elected in 2015, Minister Hussen served as Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship and now is Minister of Families, Children and Social Development. This is a pre-recorded event hosted by the University of Ottawa Public Law Centre. Professor Vanessa MacDonnell and I trace his remarkable journey from refugee to law school, to the Federal Cabinet.

Meet Elene Lam, the founder and executive director of Butterfly, an Asian and Migrant Sex Workers Support Network. The tragic deaths of six Asian women in Atlanta have highlighted the intersectional reasons why they were targeted and killed. Perceived as foreigner persons, migrants engaging in immoral and illegal work, fetishized women, and those contributing to the spread of the coronavirus, Butterfly advocates for the full decriminalization of sex work, for full status for migrant sex workers, for immigration laws to allow sex work to be recognized as work, and for no cops at workplaces, among other calls to action. Listen to Elene explain why her organization is part of an alliance of 25 sex worker organizations bringing a Charter challenge to the criminal laws affecting sex work, among other legal reforms.

Meet Justice Douglas Campbell, the longest serving judge in Canada. He was appointed to the British Columbia Provincial Court in 1974 at the age of 29 and then in 1995 to the Federal Court of Canada, retiring in 2020. With a docket largely focused on immigration and refugee law, we talk about Justice Campbell's time on the bench, what compassionate and ethical judging looks like, how being a lawyer and judge requires continuous learning and listening and most importantly how judging requires you to identify and respect the person behind every case.

Meet Laura Madokoro, historian and Associate Professor in the Department of History at Carleton University. She is the author of Elusive Refuge: Chinese Migrants in the Cold War published by Harvard in 2016. We talk about why studying the past is important, what historical exclusions say about our immigration system, how the grand narratives of humanitarianism may be disguising violence and displacement, and the settler colonial project of using race to inform our immigration policies.

Meet Bob Rae, Ambassador and Permanent Representative of Canada to the United Nations in New York. Mr. Rae was Premier of Ontario (1990-1995), Interim Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada (2011-2013), Canada's Special Envoy to Myanmar (2017-2018) and Canada's Special Envoy on Humanitarian and Refugee Issues (2020). We talk about the statelessness, genocide and forced displacement of Rohingya in Myanmar, the global refugee crisis, and Canada's role in the world today. Our conversation delves into issues of the rule of law, how discourse can affect the way people are identified, and contested existence and exclusion.

Meet Souheil Benslimane, a self-identified "illegalized" and criminalized migrant currently being processed for deportation from Canada. We talk about his experience being incarcerated, how he feels he is being punished twice through the immigration system, and his journey to becoming an abolitionist. We also talk about the important work he does with the Jail Accountability and Information Line Hotline in raising awareness of the conditions and hardships prisoners face and why it is important to critically think and challenge the carceral system.

Meet my father, James Liew. His status as a previously stateless person and his migration story to Canada is the inspiration for my current research on statelessness and law. Listen to us talk about his past and his journey to Canada. Consider how he characterized the country he was born in and his idea of what citizenship is about.

Meet Harsha Walia, Executive Director of the BC Civil Liberties Association, co-founder of No One is Illegal and author of Undoing Border Imperialism. We talk about what it means to be a good community member, why we can't talk about borders and migration without talking about race, and interrogate the critiques placed against the call to undo borders.

Meet Yodit Girmay, a former settlement worker and an Equity and Inclusion Consultant who provides diversity, anti-oppression and cultural competency training. Yodit talks about the myriad of invisible ways settlement workers aid newcomers, but also how they can be helpful in a legal process. We also talk about the delicate balance in setting boundaries with your ethnic community, with professionals, including lawyers, and with your personal life. Yodit also talks about the systemic ways in which all settlement workers do anti-oppression, anti-racism work.

Meet Petra Molnar, a lawyer-researcher, Associate Director of the Refugee Law Lab, York University, working at the intersection of human rights, migration and technology. We talk about the ecosystem by which migration tech is being used to survey and make administrative decisions related to immigration, refugee and citizenship law. Drones, facial recognition, AI lie detectors, and other tools are being deployed at the borders without any oversight. Petra also gives us a sense of what is now going on in the European Union, Greece and in particular the new refugee camp in Lesvos, and why we should be gazing at these spaces more.

Meet Karen Cocq, Projects & Campaign Coordinator for Migrant Workers Alliance for Change, Canada’s largest coalition of self-organized groups of migrant workers. In this episode we talk about the #StatusForAll campaign and the call for material changes in the immigration system to confer permanent status upon arrival so that all persons can access health care, labour rights, and to enable the elimination of exploitative, abusive and punitive working conditions that persist due to the temporary and precarious status of migrants. Check out migrantrights.ca for more on the anti-racist call for change, the #StatusForAll campaign and for information on how to support it.

Meet Frédérique Chabot, the Director of Health Promotion and Interim Executive Director of Action Canada for Sexual Health & Rights, an organization that promotes health, wellbeing and rights related to sexuality and reproduction. We talk about the barriers the COVID-19 pandemic has erected in accessing abortion health care and how these barriers are more severe for migrant women given that access is reliant on the immigration status one has. As you listen to this episode, consider how there is a need to consider access to health care with a gendered and racialized lens and how pandemic responses so far have ignored migrant women.

Meet Skyler, a former refugee claimant who made a claim for protection in Canada because she feared for her life as a lesbian in the United States Army. In this conversation, we talk about what it feels like to go through the refugee determination system at the Immigration and Refugee Board, and the Federal Court of Canada. For more information about her case, you can read Smith v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2009 FC 1194.

Meet Michael Bossin, one of the co-counsel for the Applicants in the Canadian Council for Refugees v Canada decision, where the Federal Court of Appeal found the Safe Third Country Agreement unconstitutional. In this episode, we talk how the decision found the STCA violates the Charter rights (section 7) of refugee claimants, the legal analysis behind the reasoning, and the immense work behind the scenes undertaken to build the case.

Meet Rema Jamous Imseis, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees' Representative to Canada. In this episode, Rema provides an introduction to the work of the UNHCR and what UNHCR does in Canada. We also talk about the current and emerging challenges to refugee protection globally and in Canada.