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Business of Negotiation: Inherited Trauma and Family Wealth17 Sep 202400:47:28

In this episode, we're speaking about the Business of Negotiation, Inherited Trauma and Family Wealth with Ruschelle Khanna. She's a family advisor, mediator and therapist in West Virginia. She helps create small, strong bonds between parents and adult children in order to live healthy financially secure lives. In mediation we deal with a lot of high conflict around the financial aspects of divorce, and we also deal with a lot of family and generational wealth. And with that comes a bunch of relationship issues and trauma that people start to unpack when they start getting divorced.

Hi, welcome to the MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Topics discussed:
How do you negotiate with difficult personalities?
How is mediation a tool to use when conflict is high in business or family matters?
Do you see addictive behaviors or other personality traits in high-conflict families?

Melissa Gragg CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Ruschelle Khanna
rk@ruschellekhanna.com
https://www.ruschellekhanna.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruschelle-khanna-lifestyle-for-legacy/

Prenups and Postnups: Who Needs Them and Why?26 Aug 202400:45:43

In this episode we are with Laurie Israel - a national Prenuptial Agreement Mediator, Consultant, Lawyer, and author of the Generous Prenup: How to Support Your Marriage and Avoid the Pitfalls. She's located in Massachusetts and has been an attorney for over 35 years.

We discuss prenups and postnups and who needs them and why. Laurie has a different way of looking at prenups and in this episode describes who they are beneficial for and who might not need one.

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial mMediator in St. Louis, Missouri.

Topics discussed:
The Risks and Benefits of Prenuptial Agreements
State Laws and Financial Discussions in Marriage
The Emotional and Relational Impact of Prenuptial Agreements
The Role of Mediation in Formulating Prenuptial Agreements
Future of Marriage and the Evolving Perception of Prenuptial Agreements

Melissa Gragg CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Laurie Israel
https://www.laurieisrael.com/
laurie@laurieisrael.com
Laurie's Book


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Coping with Narcissistic Behavior During the Divorce Mediation Process04 Jan 202401:06:27

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we are speaking with Victoria McCooey about Coping with Narcissistic Behavior During the Divorce Mediation Process. She is a Narcissist Divorce Coach, a Motivational Speaker and the creator of the Reclaim Your Power System™ based in New York. She helps her clients reclaim their power in order to make life-altering decisions from a place of strength instead of fear. 

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Victoria McCooey
Victoria@VictoriaMcCooey.com
TikTok: @VictoriaMcCooey  
https://www.victoriamccooey.com/

Co-Parenting Styles: Conflicted, Cooperative, and Parallel Strategies08 Dec 202300:53:00

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce mediator in St. Louis Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes.  

Today we will discuss Co-Parenting Styles: Conflicted, Cooperative, and Parallel Strategies with Cristin Terri. Cristin is based in Cape Town, South Africa. She is a certified divorce coach, co-parenting specialist, holistic counselor, and meditation teacher and offers valuable support to individuals going through the challenging process of divorce. 

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Cristin Terri
https://www.cristinterri.com/
cristin@cristinterri.com

The Rapid Rise of Mediation: Creating Efficient Dispute Resolutions23 Nov 202300:35:01

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce mediator in St. Louis Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we are with Joseph Panetta from Immediation: a holistic legal dispute resolution platform that combines multiple processes and apps into one customizable interface. We are going to talk about The Rapid Rise of Mediation: Creating Efficient Dispute Resolutions. 

Insights from My Second Divorce: Creating Self Awareness01 Nov 202301:06:34

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation strategies and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Today we are speaking with Leah Marie Mazur about her personal insights from her first and second divorce and how this journey helped her gain clarity and self-awareness. Leah is a certified Divorce Recovery Coach in Buffalo, New York and founder of Mindfully Ready LLC. She specializes in helping her clients heal after divorce so they can create a healthy, happy, and fulfilling new chapter for themselves and their kids. 

Creating Post-Divorce Budgets for a Secure Financial Future25 Oct 202300:44:51

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce mediator in St. Louis, Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we are speaking with Amy Adler, a CPA, Certified Fraud Examiner, and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst about creating post-divorce budgets to secure a stable financial future. She is based in Austin, Texas and brings a unique blend of financial expertise and personal experience to divorce support. With a background in public accounting, internal audit, fraud investigation, and corporate accounting, she now uses her skills to help others navigate divorce. Her mission is to minimize the stress, time, and cost of divorce, ensuring clients are well-prepared for a brighter future.  

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Amy Adler CPA, CFE, CDFA
Adler Divorce Financial Consulting
https://yourdivorceasset.com
512-484-2020
amy@yourdivorceasset.com

Lessons from a Narcissist Divorce Coach: Reclaim YourSELF03 Oct 202300:55:36

On this episode of MediatorPodcast.com, we talk about divorce, narcissism, and reclaiming your life back with Narcissist Divorce Coach, Victoria McCooey. Victoria is a motivational speaker and she created a system called Reclaim Your Power. She's based in New York, but she services clients around the world, and she's helping people not only in the divorce process, but anytime they're in a relationship with a narcissist.

Want to speak with Victoria? Use this link to schedule an appointment: https://victoriamccooey.17hats.com/p#/scheduling/dfcbgrdtsbbtfvvcpwbvzxfncgdnfnnf

Overcoming Financial Abuse: Insights from a Financial Analyst14 Sep 202300:56:10

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. I specialize in divorce and partnership disputes, but today we're gonna discuss overcoming financial abuse and insights from a financial analyst with Leah Hadley. She's a CDFA or Certified Divorce Financial Analyst, and an accredited financial counselor. Leah is based in Cleveland, Ohio, and she's committed to working with people in a very compassionate fashion, offering them financial guidance through different life issues, such as divorce. 

Divorce Mindset: Creating Clarity and Confidence Through Meditation - "Minisode"10 Aug 202300:18:58

Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce mediator in St. Louis Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes.  

Today we will discuss Creating Clarity and Confidence Through Meditation with Cristin Terri. Cristin is based in Cape Town, South Africa She is a certified divorce coach, co-parenting specialist, holistic counselor, and meditation teacher and offers valuable support to individuals going through the challenging process of divorce. 

The Divorce Journey: Navigating Pre and Post Divorce Challenges - A Mediation Podcast 28 Jun 202301:08:58

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and a divorce mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. Today we'll discuss the divorce journey with the founder of Foundations Divorce Solutions and Foundation's Coaching Group, Caroline Pak. Caroline is a certified divorce and transitions coach, a life coach, a mediator, and a certified divorce financial analyst based in Seattle, Washington.

1. What is the very first step someone should take when they've decided to file for divorce?
2. What common challenges do you see your divorcing clients going through and how do they overcome them?
3. What advice do you have for someone going through the divorce process?
4. What is the difference between short-term and long-term planning for someone going through a divorce?
5. How does someone redefine their life post-divorce? 

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF, CDFA  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Caroline Pak
Divorce Mediator | CDFA®️ | CDC®️ | Certified Divorce & Transitions Coach
www.foundationsdivorcesolutions.com
855-707-6277
Info@FoundationsDivorceSolutions.com

Lessening Anxiety Around Divorce: Tips From a Financial Consultant07 Jun 202300:19:01

Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a mediation podcast and video series where we discuss mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. 

Today we will discuss lessening anxiety around divorce with Miss Olivia Summerhill. Olivia is the founder of a financial consulting company helping affluent women maintain their lifestyles and thrive post divorce by educating and empowering them financially. Having over a decade of experience in wealth management and private banking, Olivia dedicates her time to protecting women. Her niche serves famous and high profile women who need help navigating the financial complexities of divorce. She also consults with financial advisors and family offices to help their clients avoid divorce mistakes. 

1. What are common misconceptions about divorce that can contribute to anxiety?
2. What are some practical steps that individuals can take to prepare themselves for a divorce in order to minimize anxiety and uncertainty?
3. How can communication with a soon-to-be ex-spouse be managed to reduce conflict during a divorce process?
4. What resources and support systems are available to people going through a divorce?

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF, CDFA  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Olivia Summerhill CFP®, CMC®
Divorce Financial Consultant
www.summerhillfirm.com
Podcast: Divorce for Wealthy Women

Relationship Issues and Things to Consider Before You Call a Divorce Attorney31 Jul 202401:20:34

Today we're talking about relationship issues and things to consider before you call a divorce attorney with Jackie Harounian, she's a family law attorney in Long Island, New York. It could be months, years that you're considering ending a relationship. Sometimes we spend a lot of time in this thought process of "What could I do, what should I do? I don't know if this is right." Before we even get into this type of situation where you're actually calling a divorce lawyer, which really is way down the pipeline that you're ready to go. But what are the first steps that couples should take when they're even considering divorce or having some issues?

Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Questions Discussed:
What are the first steps couples should take when they start experiencing serious relationship issues?
What are the most common mistakes couples make when considering divorce?
How can a pre-nup or prenuptial agreement act as insurance in a marriage?
What is a legal separation and how is it different from a divorce?
What is a "post-nup" and when should couples decide to explore this option?
When is mediation a better option than litigation?

Melissa Gragg CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Jackie Harounian
Wisselman Harounian Family Law
https://lawjaw.com/
jackie@lawjaw.com

Tapping Into Your Intuition to Increase Your Emotional Intelligence or EQ25 May 202300:55:34

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg and I'm a valuation expert and mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. I specialize in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we're actually going to talk about something that I really enjoy talking about, but we're gonna tap into our intuition. So how do you tap into your intuition and increase your EQ or emotional intelligence with mediator? Alice Shikina, she's based in California and she has a ton of emotional intelligence, which helps her mediate these cases.

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF, CDFA  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Alice Shikina
Shikina Mediation and Arbitration
415-793-8729
alice.shikina@gmail.com
www.shikinamediation.com

Divorce Mediation: Parenting Plans and Child Custody01 Feb 202300:41:35

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm valuation expert and mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. I actually specialize in divorce and partner disputes, but today we'll discuss divorce, mediation and parenting plans or child custody with Michelle Weinberg. 

Michelle's a licensed marriage and family therapist with over 20 years of experience, but now focuses her practice specifically and solely on divorce mediation in New Jersey. In 2011, she co-founded Westfield Mediation with an attorney Randi Albert, and she's also a member of the New Jersey Association of Professional Mediators and volunteers at several organizations in her spare time. 

1. What is a parenting plan?
2. How is a parenting plan used in divorce?
3. What is the difference between legal custody and physical custody in a divorce?
4. What is 50/50 custody, shared custody, and joint custody - what is the difference between them?
5. What are the logistics to a parenting plan?
6. How to deal with power dynamics and cooperation when creating a parenting plan.
7. What are the top 3 polarizing issues you see debated in the parenting plan process?
8. What is nesting? 
9. What is a MOU or memorandum of understanding?
10. About Michelle Weinberg


Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF, CDFA  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163  

Michelle Weinberg
Westfield Mediation, LLC
1812 Front Street
Scotch Plains, NJ 07076
Phone: 908.913.0373
Text: 908.913.0648
Fax: 908.789.8738
info@westfieldnjmediation.com

Mediation Settlement Negotiations: Dealing with Emotional Stress25 Jan 202300:39:37

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg and I'm a valuation expert and mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. I specialize in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we will discuss issues around mediation, settlement negotiations, and dealing with emotional stress. In the mediation, I'm going to be speaking with another mediator and negotiation coach, Alice Shikina, who's based in California. She has a tremendous amount of emotional intelligence and empathy that she uses to successfully mediate case after case. She also has a very unique background with over 20 years of theater experience. 

1. How do you tune into clients’ emotions to produce a successful negotiation outcome?
2. How do you handle parties who are very pessimistic about settlement?
3. What do you do when parties seemingly want very different things?
4. Perspective is very important. Tell us more about this.
5. What part do emotions play in settlement?
6. What are clear communication strategies used in dispute settlements?
7. How does a negotiation coach prepare clients before a settlement dispute or negotiation?
8. About Alice Shikina and mediation - mediator and negotiation coach focusing on emotional stress
9. What should clients look for in a mediator or negotiation coach?

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Alice Shikina
Shikina Mediation and Arbitration
415-793-8729
alice.shikina@gmail.com
www.shikinamediation.com

How to Make Uncomfortable Situations Comfortable16 Nov 202101:08:22

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, a divorce valuation and mediation expert in St. Louis Missouri.  

During this episode we will discuss How To Make Uncomfortable Situations Comfortable with Mike Gregory. Mike is a mediator in Minneapolis Minnesota, author of 13 books regarding various topics and creator of the collaboration effect ®. He is a frequent speaker and uses mediation techniques to deescalate situations. 

Welcome Mike!!

  1. When did you first learn about collaboration?
  2. What is collaboration versus communication?
  3. What is The Collaboration Effect?
  4.  What happens in our brains when we are angry and how can we stop from getting angry?
  5. How can you de-escalate and help others de-escalate?
  6. How does your attitude impact the process?
  7. Do you address beliefs or values?
  8. What type of communication works best and why to make situations more comfortable?
  9. How can you build trust?
  10. How can you be an active listener?
  11. Why do you say "lead with compassion and listen with empathy?"
  12. Do you want to share any bonus items with our audience? (The Asking Formula by John Baker and the course on Happiness from Yale University free online.)

 

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163 

  

Michael Gregory
NSA, MBA, ASA, CVA
Michael Gregory Consulting, LLC
Founder/Owner
Conflict Resolution Specialist | Speaker| Author
651.633.5311
mikegreg.com

Forensic Psychology and Mediation13 Jul 202100:55:16

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  

Today we will discuss Forensic Psychology and Mediation with Shari Belitz. Shari is an attorney, trial, jury and litigation consultant in New York. She also owns educational company that teaches psychology to litigators. 

 
Welcome Shari!

  1. Tell us about your background and how you are helping attorneys.
  2. How does Social Psychology play into litigation and mediation?
  3. What is cognitive bias?
  4. What is Anchoring?
  5. What is Adjustment?
  6. How does “Anchoring” and “Adjustment” show up in mediation and settlement negotiations?
  7. What are some strategies to counter balance these cognitive biases?
    1. Refute the anchor
    2. Offer data as to why the anchor is incorrect
    3. Set your own data-backed anchor
  8. Can we walk through an example using these strategies – when a business valuation is involved and maybe there is an offer on the table that is really low?
  9. What are some other ways to use psychology in the mediation or negotiation process?
  10. Tell us how attorneys and mediators can work with you. 


 

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163 

  

Shari Belitz
Litigation Strategist | CEO of Shari Belitz Communications | Founder of EnPSYCHLAWpedia™ | Best Selling Author | Keynote Speaker
Email : shari@sharibelitz.com
Telephone: 1 (929) 457-3030
https://www.linkedin.com/in/shariebelitz/

Independent Legal Advice and Mediation for Divorce06 Jul 202100:58:36

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.   

Today we will discuss Independent Legal Advice and Divorce Mediation with Lauren Hunt. Lauren is family law attorney who focuses on divorce, prenuptial agreements, child support, child custody and parenting time, and adoption in New York. 

Welcome Lauren!

  1. What are the benefits to hiring legal counsel in addition to a mediator?
  2. Do both parties have to hire independent counsel when going through mediation? Can only one party hire an attorney in mediation?
  3. What are a few similarities and differences between mediation and collaborative divorce?
  4. What does it mean to live under a separation agreement?
  5. How does an uncontested divorce differ from a separation agreement?
  6. How can couples save on attorney fees when they decide to separate?
  7. If a spouse contacts you for divorce purposes and pays in cash, what do you suggest for next steps? At what point do they need to tell the other spouse?
  8.  After a high conflict couple is officially separated, is there any need for mediation after the fact?
  9. Can you explain what BIFF is?
  10. Tell us more about you and your firm!

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163 

 

Lauren L. Hunt, Esq.
125 Wolf Road, Suite 503-10
Albany, NY 12205
T: 518-282-7300 
F: 518-734-0749
https://www.laurenhuntesq.com
lauren@laurenhuntesq.com

Divorce, Mediation and Grief: Why Healing is Important29 Jun 202101:12:38

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  

Today we will discuss Divorce, Mediation and Grief: Why Healing is Important with Karen Millon. Karen is the Founder of Healin, Experienced Entrepreneur in the Healthcare Space, Transformational Coach, Host of the HealIN Podcast, and Author of An Amazing Divorce.  

Welcome Karen!! 

  1. Tell us a little how you got into your current space of healing after divorce? 
  2. How do you think grief relates to the divorce process? 
  3. Why do you think couples skip over the healing process pre and/or post-divorce? 
  4. What are the benefits for a person to start the healing process during and after divorce? 
  5. Do both parties need to take steps towards healing to have a successful divorce? 
  6. Couples are looking more and more for alternative ways to separate – such as mediation. Why do you think the narrative of divorce is changing? 
  7. Do you think business partners or couples who are considering mediation to settle a dispute should begin some sort of healing process prior? 
  8. What are a few ways a person can heal from divorce, besides traditional counseling? 
  9. Do you have any success stories of clients who found healing through your coaching services? 
  10. Tell us more about you and your coaching services 

 
Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163 

 

Karen Millon  
Transformational Coach
Host of the HealIn Podcast
Author of An Amazing Divorce
www.healin.net
New York, New York 10004
Karen Millon on LinkedIN
@healinwithkaren on Instagram/FB
e: kmillon@healin.net
p: 848 303 0143 

“How to Live Forever: A Guide to Writing the Final Chapter of Your Life Story”01 Jun 202100:52:10

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  

In this week’s episode we will discuss the book “How to Live Forever: A Guide to Writing the Final Chapter of Your Life Story” with Kimberly Best, a registered nurse, mediator, and conflict coach based in Franklin, TN and author of the book we will discuss today. 

Welcome Kim!! 

  1. Why did you write this book? 
  2. What can I learn from reading the book? 
  3. Let’s talk about dying…... 
  4. What decisions do people struggle with around end of life?  
  5. How can mediation help? 
  6. Any stories of mediation helping families finish well? 

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com 
https://www.mediatorpodcast.com
https://www.valuationpodcast.com  

 

Kimberly Best
RN, MA
Best Conflict Solutions
318 Canton Stone Dr.
Franklin, TN 37067
615.438.6942
kim@bestconflictsolutions.com 
bestconflictsolutions.com 

How to be Financially Prepared for Mediation06 Apr 202100:25:04

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  
 
In this week’s episode we will discuss  How to be Financially Prepared for Mediation with Karen Chellew. 
 
For over 30 years, Karen has worked in the legal field as a paralegal and business manager. She is an affiliate member of the American Bar Association (ABA) Dispute Resolution Committee, and a certified QDRO Administrator. The My Divorce Solution team includes a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA) to develop your financial portrait, the document containing the financial data any couple would need to make clear financial decisions for their future. As a Legal Liaison and QDRO Administrator, she helps support your legal team and facilitate connections with critical resources. With our combined professional and personal experience, we are uniquely qualified to assist clients through the divorce process. 
 
 
Welcome Karen! 
 

  1. What are five ways to be financially prepared for mediation? 
  2. Access – what do you have and what documents are missing? 
  3. What are the components of your marital estate? 
  4. How are the financial components handled in court? 
  5. Do you know your options? 
  6. Do you know where you can and/or want to compromise? 
  7. What is a QDRO or Qualified Domestic Relations Order? 
  8. How does a couple work with you? Or attorney or mediator? 

 
Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com 
 
 
Karen Chellew 
Legal Liaison
https://mydivorcesolution.com  
hello@mydivorcesolution.com 
215.486.8347 | 843.929.0399

Part 2: What It Takes To Be a Mediator (Conflict Resolution Minnesota, Tennessee, Missouri)16 Mar 202100:55:52

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri. 
 
In this week’s episode we will discuss  do you have What It Takes To Be a Mediator with Kimberly Best, a registered nurse, mediator, and conflict coach based in Franklin, TN and author of How to Live Forever -  A guide to writing the final chapter of your life story and Elliot Herland, a mediator focused on workers’ compensation cases, based in Minneapolis, and Vice Chair of the ABA Section of Dispute Resolution Membership Committee.
 
Welcome Kim and Elliot!!

1. How did you all get into mediation?
2. What training and continuing education is required or recommended?
3. What skills are helpful to a successful mediator?   
4. What would you like to see for the future of mediation?
5. What can a mediator do to pull in business?
6. How do you use the virtual world via social media and online networking?
 
 
 
Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com 

Kimberly Best, RN, MA
Best Conflict Solutions
318 Canton Stone Dr.
Franklin, TN 37067
615.438.6942
kim@bestconflictsolutions.com 
bestconflictsolutions.com

Elliot A. Herland
Herland Mediation Services
3881 Evermoor Parkway
Rosemount, Minnesota 55068
952-240-4005
Email: herlandmediationservices@outlook.com
Website: www.herlandmediation.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/herlandmediation/
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/elliot-herland-mediation-services

The Traditional Wife (Trad Wife) Movement and How to Protect Yourself Financially29 Jul 202401:10:22

Today we're going to be walking through the concept of how to be a traditional wife or a "trad wife" with Erika Anne Englund. She's an attorney, she's a mediator, she's a divorce strategist with 18 years plus experience and helps people try to divorce better.

Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Four ways to protect yourself if you decide to become a traditional wife:
-Get more than a high school diploma (educate yourself)
-Take charge as the family's CFO
-Ensure your husband has life and disability insurance
-Secure an ironclad prenup

https://www.thedivorceallies.com/
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com

Melissa Gragg CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Erika Anne Englund, Attorney-Mediator-Strategist
https://erikaenglund.com/
916.668.9338

Part 1: What It Takes To Be a Mediator (Conflict Resolution Minnesota, Tennessee, Missouri)09 Mar 202100:55:22

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri. 
 
In this week’s episode we will discuss  do you have What It Takes To Be a Mediator with Kimberly Best, a registered nurse, mediator, and conflict coach based in Franklin, TN and author of How to Live Forever -  A guide to writing the final chapter of your life story and Elliot Herland, a mediator focused on workers’ compensation cases, based in Minneapolis, and Vice Chair of the ABA Section of Dispute Resolution Membership Committee.
 
Welcome Kim and Elliot!!

1. How did you all get into mediation?
2. What training and continuing education is required or recommended?
3. What skills are helpful to a successful mediator?   
4. What would you like to see for the future of mediation?
5. What can a mediator do to pull in business?
6. How do you use the virtual world via social media and online networking?
 
 
 
Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com 

Kimberly Best, RN, MA
Best Conflict Solutions
318 Canton Stone Dr.
Franklin, TN 37067
615.438.6942
kim@bestconflictsolutions.com 
bestconflictsolutions.com

Elliot A. Herland
Herland Mediation Services
3881 Evermoor Parkway
Rosemount, Minnesota 55068
952-240-4005
Email: herlandmediationservices@outlook.com
Website: www.herlandmediation.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/herlandmediation/
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/elliot-herland-mediation-services

Family Mediation: A Unique Way to Get Divorced02 Mar 202101:24:30

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.   

In this week’s episode we will discuss  Family Mediation: A Unique Way to Get Divorced with Daryl Weinman, a family law attorney and mediator in Austin, Texas. Daryl has been board-certified in family law by the Texas Board of Legal Specialization since 2000, an honor granted to less than 1% of Texas attorneys, and part of the Austin Bar Association - Family Law Section, State Bar of Texas - Alternative Dispute Resolution, and the Texas Family Law Foundation. Member of American Academy of Certified Financial Litigators 

Welcome Daryl!! 

  1. Mediation is a required step in Texas, do you see this as a good thing? Do divorcing couples try to stay in mediation after first experiencing it or go straight to court? 
  2. What benefits do you see in mediation? 
  3. How do you remain neutral throughout a mediation? 
  4. What does a typical divorce mediation process look like at Weinman & Associates? 
  5. How has Covid-19 changed the way you see your practice? 
  6. You offer a very unique way to handle divorce. Can you tell us more about Divorce Resort and how you came up with the idea? 
  7. What is the importance of a mediator continuing their education throughout their career? 
  8. Tell us more about you and your firm!  

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com 
https://www.mediatorpodcast.com
https://www.valuationpodcast.com  

 

Daryl Weinman
Austin, TX
P (512) 472-4040
Fax 512-472-4086 
daryl@weinmanfamilylaw.com
https://www.weinmanfamilylaw.com 
http://divorceresort.net  

Divorce Mediation: Co-Parenting, Child Support and Future Expenses02 Feb 202101:07:01

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation, divorce and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  

In this week’s episode we will discuss the benefits of Divorce Mediation: Co-Parenting, Child Support and Future Expenses with Erika Englund a family law attorney in California, trained divorce mediator, founder of Divorceably, and the current CSO at Support Pay. 
 

Welcome Erika!! 

  1. How did you get into mediation? 
  2. What were some of the benefits of mediation in divorce matters? 
  3. What are your tips to developing a successful co-parenting plan? 
  4. How does someone get emotionally ready to get divorced or work through mediation? 
  5. How do you work with CDFAs to understand the financial situation of the couple? 
  6. What have been some unique ways to deal with parenting conflicts regarding decisions about the kids post divorce?  
  7. What are your best tips on tracking the kids costs or splitting costs in the future? 
  8. Tell us more about your current focus on the technology side of divorce. 

  

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  

 
Eika Englund
erika.englund@supportpay.com 
916-790-5500
https://supportpay.com

How an Experienced Mediator Gets Results05 Jan 202101:43:12

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide online valuation and mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  

During this episode we will discuss “How an Experienced Mediator Gets Results” with Elliot Herland, a mediator focused on workers’ compensation cases, based in Minneapolis, and Vice Chair of the ABA Section of Dispute Resolution-Membership Committee.

 

Welcome Elliot!! 

 

  1. Let’s start out easy for our listeners. How do you explain to people what you do? What is a mediator? 
  2. Why would a person or company need to hire a mediator? 
  3. Over the past 20+ years you have conducted over 1,000 mediations involving unions, employers, employees and insurance companies. You manage to settle 95% to 98% of these mediations. What happened to the ones that didn’t settle? 
  4. What do you think makes for a successful mediation? Particular client traits? Mediation Skills? 
  5. What is a typical mediation process or the “Herland Mediation Process”? 
  6. Let’s talk more about “The Mediator’s Proposal” and different     mediation approaches used by experienced mediators. 
  7. Mediators run into many different personalities. How do you deal with the difficult ones? 
  8. You provide mediation services online, via telephone and in-person (socially distanced of course) Which one works best in your opinion? When did you start doing online mediation? 
  9. When someone is considering hiring a mediator – what questions should they ask? 
  10. How can an employer/Insurer be prepared for a workers’ comp mediation? How can an employee be prepared for a workers’ comp mediation? 
  11. Tell us more about you and your firm. 

 

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com 

 

Elliot Herland 
Mediator  
Herland Mediation Services 
Vice Chair, ABA Section of Dispute Resolution-Membership Committee, Student and Early Career Outreach  
Phone: 952-240-4005  
Email: herlandmediationservices@outlook.com  
Website: https://www.herlandmediation.com  
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliot-herland-mediation-services/  
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/herlandmediation/ 

Divorce Financing: The Price of Getting Divorced22 Dec 202000:30:43

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide valuation and online mediation services in St. Louis, Missouri.  

During this episode we will discuss Divorce Financing: The Price of Getting Divorced with Nicole Noonan… she is a matrimonial lawyer and divorce funding expert in New York, but funds divorces throughout the US. Crowned the “Fairy Godmother of Divorce” by the New York Post.  She also been featured in The Huffington Post’s Women in Business, American Banker, The Economist, Forbes Magazine, Fortune Magazine, and The New York Times 

Welcome Nicole!!  

  1. When to know it is time to go (divorce)?  
  2. What are options for people to afford a divorce: take the power back by divorcing with dignity?  
  3. How did you get started in your field?  
  4. Why it is more important than ever for divorce clients and professionals know divorce funding is an option? 
  5. Who is a candidate for funding?  
  6. What are some successful outcomes?  
  7. How can we find you?  

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com 

 

Nicole Noonan 
Phone: (212)404-7807 
nicole.noonan@gmail.com
http://newchaptercapital.com   
https://www.divorcefunding.info
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nnoonan/
https://twitter.com/NicoleNoonan5 
https://m.facebook.com/divorcefinance/?ref=bookmarks  

 

 

Nicole Noonan, Esq., CEO of New Chapter Capital Inc., specializes in divorce funding. She formerly served as President of Novitas US.  She is a nationally recognized divorce expert and pioneer of divorce funding.  Crowned the “Fairy Godmother of Divorce” by the New York Post.  Formerly President of National Divorce Capital, prior to which she was Director at BBL Churchill.    

Recognized by New York Magazine as New York’s Women Leader’s in the Law 2014. She has been seen on Good Morning America, Bloomberg TV, WLNY’s “The Couch” and WPIX.   

She also been featured in The Huffington Post’s Women in Business, American Banker, The Economist, Forbes Magazine, Fortune Magazine, and The New York Times  

Nicole is an experienced attorney who practiced with a number of top-rated divorce law firms throughout her career. She was instrumental in the litigation of a large number of complex family law cases involving both financial and custody disputes, including some of the leading reported cases on these areas.   

Nicole holds a BA from Boston College and a JD from Seton Hall University School of Law. She clerked for the Hon. Douglas M. Fasciale, J.S.C., Nicole is an active member of the New Jersey Bar Association, American Bar Association, New York Women's Bar Association and the Westchester Bar Association. She sits on the Seton Hall University Stillman School of Business Leadership Council. Additionally, she is a certified New York Mediator. 

Leadership, Team Coaching and Conflict Resolution for Business17 Dec 202001:08:41

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide valuation and divorce mediation services in St. Louis Missouri.   

During this episode we will discuss Leadership, Team Coaching and Conflict Resolution for Business with Banjamin Papa. Prior to forming Enneagram Solutions, LLC Ben founded and ran his own successful law firm, Papa & Roberts, PLLC, where he practiced law and mediation for eighteen years, as well as a training company through which he led trainings for hundreds of attorneys, mental health, and financial professionals across the country. 

 

Welcome Ben!!  

  1. How did you transition from divorce mediation, practicing law and to focus on team coaching? 
  2. What is conflict resolution for business? 
  3. The Enneagram 
  4. Tell us more about you and your firm! 

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  


Benjamin Papa 
Phone: 615-491-3597
Email: ben@benjaminpapa.com
https://benjaminpapa.com  

 

Benjamin Papa excels at helping business leaders think and see in new and creative ways, giving them access to internal resources they did not know they had, allowing them to overcome previously insurmountable obstacles to success and growth.  His uncanny ability to be present with leaders in a supportive and thoughtful way while also helping them see connections and solutions to complicated problems sets him apart from his peers. 

 Prior to forming Enneagram Solutions, LLC Ben founded and ran his own successful law firm, Papa & Roberts, PLLC, where he practiced law and mediation for eighteen years, as well as a training company through which he led trainings for hundreds of attorneys, mental health, and financial professionals across the country. 

As an attorney he continually saw in his clients and colleagues that being successful professionally is not simply a matter of “book smarts.”  Instead, how effective people are – how well they know and manage themselves and how well they relate to other people even when under stress – is an indispensable element of true and sustained professional success.  Often in the midst of financial complexity and high conflict, Ben was able to support and advise his clients while effectively collaborating with other professionals to reach settlements in hundreds of cases, many with disputes valued well over a million dollars. 

That commitment to personal effectiveness at work is the North Star for Ben’s work as a credentialed leadership coach and certified Enneagram teacher, working to help business leaders be more effective in order to increase business success.  He creates breakthrough experiences for his clients through the following services: 

When he is not working, Ben enjoys reading, hiking, dinner with friends, and Vanderbilt football. 

Divorce Mediation Process & The Better Apart Method08 Dec 202001:10:21

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, I provide valuation and divorce mediation services in St. Louis Missouri.  

During this episode we will discuss the Divorce Mediation Process & The Better Apart Method with Gabrielle Hartley, a divorce attorney, mediator and coach who provides online mediation training in New York and Massachusetts. 

 

Welcome Gabrielle!! 

  1. Let’s discuss some of your background and experience in family law. 
  2. What motivated you to transition from divorce lawyer to family mediator? 
  3. What is conscious uncoupling? 
  4. What is mediation and how is it different from going to divorce court? 
  5. What are some of the benefits to mediating a divorce? 
  6. What are some of your best tips for women who may be considering divorce, but are concerned about finances or how to pay for the divorce? 
  7. What do you think are some of the biggest mistakes women make when getting divorced? 
  8. Can you explain The Better Apart Method? 
  9. How can the divorce mediation process help with communication issues or co-parenting in the future? 
  10. How does a couple determine if they should try divorce mediation? 
  11. What are some of the ways a couple can get prepared for their mediation? 
  12. How do you see the future of divorce and online mediation? 

 

 

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com 

 

Gabrielle Hartley 
Hartley Law and Mediation
Better Apart
NORTHAMPTON ADDRESS: 76 Masonic Street, Northampton, MA 01060
NYC ADDRESS: 150 East 52nd Street, Suite 1002, New York NY 10022
STATEN ISLAND ADDRESS: One Edgewater Plaza Suite 304 Staten Island, NY 10305
EMAIL ADDRESS: gabrielle@gabriellehartley.com
PHONE: 413.341.0034
https://gabriellehartley.com
https://twitter.com/gabhartleyesq
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielle-hartley-esq-0b43139/
https://www.instagram.com/gabriellehartleyesq/
https://www.facebook.com/gabriellehartleyesq/  

Gabrielle Hartley is a nationally recognized divorce attorney, online mediator, and divorce strategy coach. She trains divorce professionals to bring the highest level of conflict resolution into their practice. She is a respected author and an engaging, dynamic speaker 

Gabrielle is known for her unique, non-toxic approach to divorce that she has developed over twenty five years. She keeps 99% of her cases out of the courtroom and at the negotiating table, as she effectively supports her clients to create a healthy, uplifted post-divorce life for them. 

Conflict Resolution for Non-Profit Associations05 Aug 202000:51:33

Hi Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com - A podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration.  My name is Melissa Gragg, a divorce mediation expert in St. Louis Missouri.  

 During this episode we will discuss Conflict Resolution for a non-profit association with a former IRS auditor Mike Gregory. Mike is a mediator in Minneapolis Minnesota, author of 13 books regarding various topics and creator of the collaboration effect ®. He is a frequent speaker and uses mediation techniques to deescalate situations. 

 

Welcome Mike!!   

 

Conflict Resolution and Civil Discourse for a not for profit association 

  1. What is mediation or when would you need a mediator? 
  2. A not for profit has an underlying perspective of service over self-interest, and often has to work with some people that are difficult to work with on a regular basis.  What is some advice you may have as an expert in conflict resolution? 
  3. Let’s talk about some mediation techniques and terminology –should we focus be on beliefs or values? 
  4. How can you de-escalate situations when one party comes in with a strong belief and position? 
  5. Do you have any insights related to listening – is this one of the most importation conflict resolution skills? 
  6. Can you share some insights from your pocket guide on The Collaboration Effect? 
  7. If someone wanted to reach you for assistance or to be a speaker, how can they reach you? 

 

 Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com 

 

 Michael Gregory Consulting, LLC | The Collaboration Effect
Direct: 651.633-5311
w: mikegreg.com | collabeffect.com 
e: mg@mikegreg.com 

From Court to .com: How This Online Divorce Platform is Changing the Industry01 Apr 202400:55:00

In this episode, we are speaking with Erin Levine. She's the CEO and founder of Hello Divorce. And if you haven't heard about it, you'll want to! It's an online alternative to traditional divorce. After 16 years as a divorce attorney, Erin understood how broken, toxic, wildly inefficient, and unreasonably expensive the family law system is. So she set out to revolutionize how consumers interact with the law and provide a kinder, easier and cheaper pathway to divorce.

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. I specialize in family law and partner disputes.

Questions discussed:
1. What are the current divorce trends you are seeing?
2. What are some of the limitations in the current divorce system of litigation?
3. What are some ways people can get divorced more efficiently?
4. What motivated you to combine technology and divorce and create Hello Divorce?
5. How does the Hello Divorce process support mediators and attorneys?
6. What is the typical client profile that uses Hello Divorce?
7. What are some divorce trends you see in the future?

Melissa Gragg CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC
melissa@bridgevaluation.com
http://www.BridgeValuation.com
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.valuationmediation.com
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Erin Levine
Founder & CEO
erin@hellodivorce.com
hellodivorce.com 
@hellodivorce

Divorce Mediation vs. Litigation: You Don't Know What You Don't Know18 Mar 202400:57:20

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a Valuation Expert and Divorce Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Today we'll be discussing divorce mediation versus litigation. You don't know what you don't know. Basically the differences between divorce, mediation, and litigation with Rosalia Labate. She's located in New York and she's a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Certified Public Accountant. She's known to provide services as: financial forensics, divorce finances, business valuations. Welcome, Rosalia. 

In this episode we discuss the differences between:
Divorce Mediation v. Litigation
-Process & Procedures
-Financial Analysis
-Communication
-Privacy and Confidentiality
-Negotiation

Melissa Gragg , CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163  

Rosalia Labate
CPA/CDFA/CVA/MAFF
Trained in Mediation and Collaborative
(516)996-7788
Rosalia@LabateCPA.com
https://labatecpa.com/

Hidden Assets and Income: Uncovering Financial Fraud in Divorce04 Mar 202400:51:59

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Today we're speaking with Krista Shelton, a Certified Fraud Examiner and Former Special Agent for the IRS. She has her own firm, Focused Forensic Solutions, where she and her team aids clients in uncovering facts, decoding details, and finding resolution during challenging financial crime investigations. Welcome, Krista. 

What type of financial fraud is typically seen in divorce?
What signs or patterns raise concern for fraud or hidden assets?
What are the first signs your clients notice when they suspect fraud or hidden assets?What steps can individuals take on their own if there is suspected fraud or hidden assets?
What is Red Flag Analysis?
What is the Red Flag Analysis process?
How do you work with divorce attorneys in the divorce process?
What is the timeline of this process?

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Krista Shelton, CFE
krista@focusedforensic.com
www.FocusedForensic.com



Divorcing with Intention: A Professional’s Guide to Intentional Divorce29 Jan 202400:44:26

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we are speaking about “Divorcing with Intention: A Professional's Guide to Intentional Divorce” with Leah Hadley, a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Financial Counselor. Leah is based in Cleveland, Ohio and recently focused her practice  on “Intentional Divorce Solutions” where she guides her clients to financial independence through thoughtful and strategic planning.

1. Can you explain what an intentional divorce is and how it differs from traditional divorce proceedings?
2. What inspired you to specialize in facilitating intentional divorces?
3. What steps can individuals or couples take toward making empowered decisions during their divorce?
4. Can you share examples of how empowered decision-making positively impacts the divorce process?
5. What are some common challenges people face when choosing to divorce with intention, and how can they overcome these obstacles?
6. Can you share a memorable case where intentional divorce made a significant difference?

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Leah Hadley 
www.intentionaldivorce.com
leah@greatlakesdfs.com
440.545.1001
http://www.linkedin.com/in/leahahadley
https://www.instagram.com/intentionaldivorcesolutions
https://www.facebook.com/greatlakesdfs
https://www.youtube.com/@intentionaldivorceinsights

Moving from Arbitration to Mediation in Business Disputes16 Jan 202400:59:25

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we are talking about moving from arbitration to mediation in business disputes with Margeaux Thomas. Margeaux has worked for entrepreneurs and small business owners,  specializing in commercial landlord/tenant disputes, business partnership disputes, and contract disputes, including franchise, partner, shareholder, non-compete, and non-solicitation. She is located in the D.C area. Welcome, Margeaux.  

Premarital Agreements: Protecting Assets Before Your Second Marriage09 Jan 202401:01:12

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce mediator in St. Louis, Missouri – specializing in divorce and partner disputes. 

Today we are talking about premarital agreements and protecting assets before your second marriage or really any marriage with Susan Myres. Susan has been practicing family law in the Houston area since 1982 and she formed her own firm, Myres & Associates, in 2011. Her strength is being able to see options and alternate paths to achieve the realistic goals of her clients. 

Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Susan Myres
Managing Partner
https://www.thehoustondivorcefirm.com/our-team/susan-myres/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-myres/
https://www.facebook.com/myresfamilylaw
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Negotiation Beyond the Zeros: High Net Worth Divorce Strategy17 Oct 202400:48:14

Negotiation Beyond the Zeros: High Net Worth Divorce Strategy. Million dollar divorce? Billion dollar divorce? Try not to get blinded by these numbers. It's all strategy. 

In this episode, we are speaking with Beth McCormack. She's a Divorce and Family Law Partner at Beerman, LLP in Chicago. Beth focuses on highly complex family law matters and has experience in complex litigation as well as mediation and collaborative law.

Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Questions discussed:
What is typically involved in a billion-dollar divorce?
What are some issues billionaires fight over in divorce that most people wouldn’t even consider?
How do negotiation tactics differ between a million-dollar and a billion-dollar divorce?
What’s most important when crafting a strategy for a high net worth divorce?
Are there specific laws that give high net worth individuals leverage in divorce negotiations?
Is it more challenging to manage the legal team and other experts when dealing with high net worth divorces?
What negotiation techniques are most effective when every dollar counts in a divorce?

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Melissa Gragg CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Beth McCormack
bmccormack@beermannlaw.com
https://www.beermannlaw.com/team/beth-f-mccormack/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/beth-mccormack-0453a84/


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Common Myths Around Financial Aspects of Divorce - Myth #1: Attorneys Should File Financial Affidavits17 Dec 202400:26:42

Common Myths Around Financial Aspects of Divorce - #1 Attorneys Should File Financial Affidavits

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. Today, we are joined by Rosalia Labate, a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Certified Public Accountant located in New York. She specializes in financial forensics, divorce finances, and business valuations. Although we work in a lot of the same spaces, our approaches differ slightly.

In this podcast series, we will explore three common myths surrounding the financial aspects of divorce. This will be a conversational podcast featuring two financial experts with decades of experience in divorce. We often encounter the same questions from our clients, so we thought it would be interesting to offer different perspectives on these myths.

Today, we'll discuss Myth One, which has been widely debated online, including on platforms like TikTok and Instagram. The myth in question is that an attorney is the best person to file the financial affidavit. Rosalia, could you start us off by explaining this myth, and what exactly a financial affidavit is?

Rosalia Labate
https://labatecpa.com/
(516) 996-7788
rosalia@labatecpa.com

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF, CDFA  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
https://www.thedivorceallies.com/
Cell: (314) 541-8163

What is Pro Se Consulting and How to Utilize a Pro Se Advocate to Reach a Divorce Settlement14 Apr 202501:02:54

What is ProSe Consulting and How to Utilize a Pro Se Advocate to Reach a Divorce Settlement - MediatorPodcast.com with Tracey Bee

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a Valuation Expert and Divorce Financial Mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. 

Today, we're talking about divorce mediation consulting with Tracy Bee, who is a Pro Se Divorce Advocate. She's located in New Jersey, and she's also a divorce lawyer and mediator servicing clients around the country. 

A pro se advocate is a professional who assists individuals who choose to represent themselves in legal matters, especially in court, without the full representation of a lawyer. This type of advocacy is important because it empowers individuals by helping them understand and navigate the complexities of the legal system on their own. Pro se advocates offer guidance and support, ensuring that self-representing individuals are not disadvantaged by their lack of legal knowledge. They play a crucial role in providing educational resources, strategic advice, and moral support, making the legal process more accessible and less intimidating for those who cannot afford or choose not to hire a full-time attorney.

Podcast Takeaways: 
Understanding Pro Se Representation: Pro se, or self-representation, is a legal process where an individual opts to represent themselves in court without the direct representation of a lawyer. Tracy emphasizes the empowerment aspect of pro se representation, advocating for one's rights and navigating the legal system with more personal control and potentially less financial burden.

The Role of a Pro Se Divorce Advocate: As a pro se divorce advocate, Tracy provides strategic guidance and advocacy, helping clients understand the intricacies of family court. Her role is crucial in preparing clients not only for the legal battles but also for managing the personal and emotional challenges that come with divorce proceedings.

Challenges and Solutions in Pro Se Representation: Tracy highlights the systemic resistance against pro se litigants, such as biases from legal professionals and inherent complexities of the court system. However, she also outlines solutions like educational resources, strategic planning, and occasional consultations with legal experts to bridge knowledge gaps.

Empowering Through Education and Preparation: A significant part of Tracy's advocacy involves educating her clients about the realities of family court, debunking myths, and setting realistic expectations. She stresses the importance of thorough preparation and understanding one’s rights and responsibilities within the legal framework.

Collaboration and Support Networks: Tracy discusses the importance of collaboration between various professionals, including legal advisors, financial experts, and mental health professionals, to provide a comprehensive support system for individuals navigating divorce pro se.

Connect with Tracey Bee:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/familycourtstrategist/
https://thedivorcesolutionist.com/

Connect with Melissa:
Melissa Gragg  
CVA, MAFF 
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
https://www.thedivorceallies.com/
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Common Myths Around Financial Aspects of Divorce - Myth #3: A Business Valuation Will Cost 5-Figures23 Jan 202500:33:12

Common Myths Around Financial Aspects of Divorce #3 - A Business Valuation Will Cost 5-Figures

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. Today, we are with Rosalia Labate, and we're discussing myths in divorce. Rosalia is located in New York and is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and a Certified Public Accountant. She also provides services such as financial forensics, lifestyle analysis, and business valuations. We've been discussing myths surrounding the financial aspects of divorce. One myth we're going to address today is the belief that a business valuation will cost you five figures. Rosalia, is that a myth, or should it be a legitimate concern?

Podcast episode takeaways:
Myth Debunked on Cost: Business valuations do not always cost five figures; the price varies based on the depth of analysis required and the complexity of the business. Simple reviews could cost less, especially in mediation contexts where full detailed reports might not be necessary.

Different Levels of Valuation: There are levels to business valuations depending on the couple's needs—from basic reviews using tax returns to detailed examinations involving financial statements and underlying records.

Mediation Misconceptions: In mediation, there's a misconception that expensive experts are unnecessary. However, expert involvement can uncover critical financial details such as personal expenses disguised as business costs, significantly affecting settlements.

The Value of Neutrality: Utilizing a neutral business valuator can provide a more balanced and realistic appraisal of the business value, which can be crucial for fair negotiations in mediations.

Importance of Financial Understanding: Comprehensive financial analysis by experts can reveal discrepancies and hidden assets not apparent through simple document reviews, highlighting the importance of professional involvement in financial settlements during a divorce.

Rosalia Labate
https://labatecpa.com/
(516) 996-7788
rosalia@labatecpa.com

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
https://www.thedivorceallies.com/
Cell: (314) 541-8163

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Common Myths Around Financial Aspects of Divorce - Myth #2: "I Don't Need a Business Valuation" 15 Jan 202500:25:39

Common Myths Around Financial Aspects of Divorce #2 - "I Don't Need a Business Valuation" 

Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator in St. Louis, Missouri. Today, we are joined by Rosalia Labate, a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Certified Public Accountant located in New York.

Another common thing we hear is, "I don't need a business valuation." Listen to the full episode for why this is a myth.

Podcast takeaways:

Misconception About Business Valuation Necessity:
A key takeaway from our discussion is debunking the myth that business valuations are unnecessary if the financial figures appear straightforward from tax returns. Rosalia emphasizes that underestimating the complexity of a business's worth can lead to significant financial discrepancies in divorce settlements.

The Importance of Specialist Involvement:
We stress the critical role of engaging a valuation specialist early in the divorce proceedings to ensure that all financial aspects are thoroughly analyzed. This is especially vital in complex cases where substantial assets are involved, ensuring that all parties have a clear and accurate financial understanding.

Risks of Non-Professional Valuation:
The conversation highlighted the dangers of relying on non-experts for business valuation, such as attorneys or accountants who may lack the necessary valuation expertise. This can lead to inadequate assessments and potential financial losses.

Verification and Validation Essential:
Trust but verify was a recurring theme, underscoring the need for meticulous verification of all financial data presented during divorce negotiations. This approach prevents potential manipulation and ensures fairness in the valuation process.

Collaborative Approach Between Experts and Attorneys:
Finally, the podcast advocates for a collaborative approach between financial experts and attorneys. This synergy enhances the accuracy of financial affidavits and valuations, providing clients with well-rounded, expert-driven support throughout their divorce proceedings.


Rosalia Labate
https://labatecpa.com/
(516) 996-7788
rosalia@labatecpa.com

Melissa Gragg
CVA, MAFF
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
http://www.ValuationPodcast.com  
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com  
https://www.valuationmediation.com  
https://www.thedivorceallies.com/
Cell: (314) 541-8163


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Divorce Mediation Consulting: Preparation is Necessary - Divorce Mediation Experts | MediatorPodcast.com25 Jun 202501:00:07

Divorce Mediation Consulting: Preparation is Necessary - Divorce Mediation Experts | MediatorPodcast.com

Watch the full podcast here

Welcome to MediatorPodcast.com — a podcast and video series focused on mediation, negotiation, and collaboration. I'm Melissa Gragg, a valuation expert and divorce financial mediator based in St. Louis, Missouri. In this episode, I sit down with Rosalia Labate, a New York-based Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA) and CPA, who provides services like forensic accounting, asset tracing, lifestyle analysis, and business valuation.

We dive into a crucial question for anyone facing divorce: Should you prepare a financial settlement offer before hiring an attorney or attending mediation? This conversation explores the strategy behind financial preparation, how to avoid emotional and financial pitfalls, and what really happens when you show up to mediation unprepared.

🔑 5 Key Takeaways:
Start With a Financial Plan, Not a Lawsuit
Before hiring an attorney or filing for divorce, meet with a financial expert to understand your assets, debts, income, and potential settlement options. This strategy gives you control from the start.

Settlement Offers Can Save Time and Money
Walking into mediation with a draft offer based on your financial reality can make the process faster, clearer, and more cost-effective — even if it’s not complete.

Mediators Aren’t Mind Readers
If you don’t present your key issues (like separate property, business valuation, or marital waste), they may never be considered. Create a clear summary to guide the conversation.

Missing Documents = Missed Opportunities
If you suspect missing assets or financial deception, bring evidence (bank statements, summaries of transactions) to the first mediation — or risk losing the chance to address them later.

Know Your Role and Build a Team
Whether you use a consulting attorney or a financial neutral, having a trusted expert in your corner improves outcomes. Prepare, practice, and know when to speak — and when to let your expert lead the negotiation.

Connect with Rosalia Labate
Visit Rosalia's Website

Melissa Gragg is a seasoned financial mediator and business valuation expert with over 20 years of experience. She specializes in helping couples and business partners navigate complex financial disputes during divorce and separation. As the founder of Bridge Valuation Partners and a key member of The Divorce Allies, Melissa offers neutral, third-party services including business valuations, pension assessments, income analysis, and strategic settlement planning. 

The Divorce Allies is a collaborative network of professionals dedicated to providing comprehensive support during the divorce process. Their team includes experts in financial mediation, high-conflict divorce coaching, mortgage planning, co-parenting education, and post-divorce transition. Together, they aim to empower individuals with the resources and guidance needed to achieve amicable and informed resolutions.

https://www.valuationmediation.com
https://www.thedivorceallies.com
http://www.MediatorPodcast.com
https://www.ValuationPodcast.com

Connect with Melissa:
Melissa Gragg  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

Understanding Reverse Mortgages: A Financial Tool for Divorce Professionals and Gray Divorces29 Jul 202500:40:20

Understanding Reverse Mortgages: A Financial Tool for Divorce Professionals and Gray Divorces | Laura Phillips

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Hi, welcome to MediatorPodcast.com, a podcast and video series about all things related to mediation, negotiation, and settlement offers.

My name is Melissa Gragg, and I'm a financial mediator and corporate valuation expert based in St. Louis, Missouri. I’ve authored several books, including Anchor the Deal, which focuses on divorce mediation and negotiating settlement offers.

But my guest today is a renowned expert in her field. Please welcome Laura Phillips to the podcast. She's a reverse mortgage specialist based in Colorado and also services clients in Florida, California, and Arizona. With over 25 years of experience in real estate lending, she brings an option to the mediation table that many professionals may not be aware of—and therefore may not be utilizing.

This is an especially relevant tool when working with couples going through gray divorce, or for financial advisors focused on preserving retirement assets. There’s a lot to unpack here today.

Welcome, Laura! 

5 Key Takeaways:

  • Modern Reverse Mortgages Are Safer and More Flexible
  • Ideal for Seniors in Gray Divorce Situations
  • Misconceptions Are Common but Often Incorrect
  • A Strategic Tool for Advisors, Mediators, and Investors
  • Funds Can Be Used for Anything—with No Monthly Payments


Questions you may ask before watching this episode:
1. What is a reverse mortgage and how does it work?
A reverse mortgage is a loan available to homeowners aged 62 and older that allows them to convert home equity into cash without selling their home or making monthly mortgage payments. The loan is repaid when the homeowner moves out, sells the home, or passes away.

2. Who is a good candidate for a reverse mortgage?
Seniors aged 62+ who want to stay in their home long-term and need to supplement retirement income, pay for care, or avoid tapping into retirement accounts. It's also useful for those receiving a house in a divorce and needing access to equity.

3. Can you use a reverse mortgage in a divorce settlement?
Yes. Reverse mortgages are increasingly used in gray divorces to help one party retain the home while paying the other their share of the equity, without needing to sell the property or liquidate investments.

4. Do you lose ownership of your home with a reverse mortgage?
No. You retain full ownership and remain on the title. The reverse mortgage is simply a lien on the home—just like a traditional mortgage.

5. What happens to the home when the borrower dies or moves out?
Heirs can choose to repay the loan and keep the home or sell the property. If the home sells for less than the loan balance, heirs owe nothing more—because reverse mortgages are non-recourse loans.

6. Are reverse mortgage proceeds taxable?
Generally, no. Reverse mortgage proceeds are considered loan advances and not income, so they are usually not subject to federal income tax. However, borrowers should consult a tax advisor for personal situations.

7. Can reverse mortgage funds be used to invest or buy another property?
Yes. While the reverse mortgage must be on your primary residence, funds can be used however you wish—including buying investment property, making home modifications, or starting a business.

Connect with Laura:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurawphillips/
https://myhomeloandenver.com/

Connect with Melissa:
Melissa Gragg  
Expert testimony for financial and valuation issues  
Bridge Valuation Partners, LLC  
melissa@bridgevaluation.com  
http://www.BridgeValuation.com  
Cell: (314) 541-8163

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