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May the Record Reflect

National Institute for Trial Advocacy

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Frequency: 1 episode/31d. Total Eps: 80

May the Record Reflect is a skills-focused podcast for trial lawyers who want to get better at what really happens in the courtroom. Hosted by the National Institute for Trial Advocacy, each episode features experienced judges, advocates, and legal educators sharing practical guidance on trial advocacy, depositions, witness examination, oral communication, jury selection, and courtroom presence—along with ethics, professionalism, and lawyer well‑being. Whether you’re preparing for trial, handling high‑stakes hearings, or looking to sharpen your advocacy skills, May the Record Reflect delivers insights you can put to work right away.

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72. The Vocal Edge: An Opera Singers Secrets for Trial Lawyers, with Anne Fuchs

Episode 72

Tuesday, November 18, 2025 • Duration 01:06:57

Opera and the courtroom might seem worlds apart—but they share a similar stagecraft. In this episode, Anne Fuchs, professional opera singer and Director of Communications for the Indiana Court of Appeals, reveals how posture and breath can transform your voice into a powerful advocacy tool. From mastering vocal control to learning a little Italian, this conversation will help you speak with confidence and command attention when it matters most.

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02:30 Why vocal quality matters
04:03 Assessing your voice and why we hate the sound of it
07:13 Transatlantic accent
08:34 Introverts and extroverts, and skills
13:42 La Postura
21:16 Appoggio
33:05 Legato
41:26 Chiaroscuro
39:41 Nasality and vocal fry
50:20 Opera and the appellate court
55:23 Signoff questions

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“Confidence is a skill set. It is not a personality trait. And so as much as it might feel like, Wow, that big, loud, bombastic person with that amazing trial experience, and Look at how he just commands the courtroom with that voice—that may be something that’s inherent to him. It may be something that he learned. But it is 100% true that every single person can learn how to use their voice more confidently and more effectively, without being an extrovert, without it being something that just came to them naturally. There are specific skills you can learn, and anybody can do it.” Anne Fuchs

Resources
Anne Fuchs (bio)
Foxy Opera (30-minute private coaching, enter Secret49 for savings)
Vocal Warm-Up Exercises (cheat sheet)
Point Well Made: Persuasive Oral Advocacy (book)

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61. "Don't Be Boring": Creating Your Commanding Courtroom Presence, with Steve Wood and Laurie Gilbertson

Episode 61

Friday, December 20, 2024 • Duration 01:27:35

In 2021, former prosecutor Steve Wood told May the Record Reflect that to grow as a trial advocate, he had to accept that he is “insufferably boring.” What did he mean by that? And, how can it help you grow as an advocate as well? In this self-deprecating but entirely serious conversation, Steve and fellow former prosecutor Laurie Gilbertson talk about the neuroscience of boredom, multisensory engagement in the courtroom, telling a compelling story, and how it all adds up to self-confidence and stronger advocacy for your client.

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3:27 What it means to be “insufferably boring” in court
5:55 Neuroscience behind boredom
9:06 Why trials are boring
15:11 Bored judges, bored jurors
28:35 Resting postures for hands
37:07 Role of storytelling
42:42 When storytelling is most important
49:36 Repeating yourself without being boring
57:27 Confidence
1:01:36 Preparation, notes, and delivery
1:14:56 Great Hollywood courtroom performances
1:21:00 Signoff questions

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“Our task as trial lawyers, as I see it, is to do three things. One, admit that we’re boring — all of us, all the time. Two, with the aid of people like Laurie, do the things that we can do to be less boring. And then three, never fall prey to the conceit that at any given time a majority of the trier of fact is paying attention. Assume the opposite. But what we can do, most primarily, is introduce change into the courtroom environment. That’s our mission.” Steve Wood

“. . . what I found often is that jurors who have watched so much tv, who have watched so many movies, who have read legal thrillers, who have maybe listened to true-crime podcasts — some of them, if not many of them, expect to be entertained, and when you, as the attorney, are not kind of doing all these things that Steve is talking about in terms of interjecting that change and keeping them entertained, a lot of the jurors are surprised that court is actually that boring. They expect it to be a lot more interesting.” Laurie Gilbertson

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Steve Wood ()Laurie Gilbertson (), with Steve Wood () ()

60. Demystifying Depositions, with Jason Young

Episode 60

Tuesday, November 19, 2024 • Duration 47:24

In this rebroadcast of our 2022 interview, we gather all sorts of admissions—about depositions—from NITA NextGen alumni Jason Young. After taking and defending thousands of depositions throughout his career, he’s no-nonsense and has figured out how to make the challenges easier on himself, his clients, and his witnesses. Jason also talks about the crucial work–life decisions all lawyers face as they begin their careers.

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3:46 The hard part of taking depositions

5:55 Federal rules related to depositions

9:13 Witnesses, both expert and lay

11:36 Role of social media

15:10 When to video-record a deposition

17:35 The hard part of dealing with witnesses

19:40 Timelines for expert witnesses, plaintiff versus defendant

22:07 Subpoenas

25:00 Obnoxious opposing counsel

30:50 Preparing your witness

34:42 Protecting your witness

37:53 Remote depositions

40:31 Work–life balance and advice for new lawyers

44:35 Signoff questions

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“What a lot of inexperienced deposition lawyers have a problem with is they are terrified of the unknown in depositions and afraid to follow up on things, know how to shut things down, and that really scares a lot of people. And I guess the thinking with depositions a lot of times is, you want to know more. If there’s information that’s going to come out that’s going to hurt me, I want to know it in a deposition. If there’s additional facts I need or something I didn’t know, I’d rather find out in a depo than in trial.” Jason Young

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Jason Young (bio) Blog interview () Federal Rules of Evidence with Objections () NITA Deposition programs ()

59. At Your Service: Developing as an Advocate through Pro Bono Work, with Angela Vigil and Henry Su

Episode 59

Wednesday, October 23, 2024 • Duration 01:05:50

The wish to leave the world a better place has long inspired people to attend law school and make a difference in the important ways only trial lawyers can. According to NITA Trustee Angela Vigil and Program Director Henry Su, pro bono publico provides an opportunity both to help those in need of legal counsel and to develop one’s oral advocacy skills. In this episode recognizing both this week's National Celebration of Pro Bono and the fifth anniversary of May the Record Reflect, Angela and Henry discuss a lawyer’s professional responsibilities, the advocacy skillset that pro bono work develops, and how to find pro bono opportunities. They also reveal their favorite tips, common mistakes they see in depositions and trials, and qualities embodied by courtroom superstars.

“I think law school lights a fire in smart and curious people for sure, so when you come out of law school, you have an idea of what kind of ways you want to apply these great new skills. That is definitely true in most recent generations and you just get rejuvenated when you talk with them and learn what they want to accomplish. I also think that, more and more, lawyers are listening and understanding that wellness and bringing your whole self to being part of your community is really important. You can’t just be a lawyer who locks yourself in a room and bills a bunch of hours for decades. It’s not healthy, it doesn’t last, it’s not good for you, it doesn’t encourage diversity and community. So, I think we all—and certainly younger-generation lawyers—are recognizing that you’ve got to bring your humanity to being part of your practice as well.” Angela Vigil

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6:25 Model Rule of Professional Conduct 6.1

8:40 Pro Bono's impact on access to justice

13:00 Learning trial skills through pro bono service

16:44 Range of pro bono advocacy work

27:35 Inspiration for doing work that is “advisory”

33:45 Generational desire to make a difference

35:37 Wellness and performance

58. It’s Greek to Me Ancient Rhetoric for Trial Lawyers, with Marian Grace Braccia

Episode 58

Tuesday, September 10, 2024 • Duration 01:12:16

When people hear the term “rhetoric,” they often think of words full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Yet that is a woeful misunderstanding of the beauty and power of persuasive language and argument. In this episode rife with back-to-school vibes, Temple Law Professor Marian Grace Braccia breaks down the where, how, and why rhetorical devices belong in oral and written advocacy; reveals why rhetorical devices have an massive impact, even on the cellular level, on finders of fact; refreshes your recollection on devices you already know while introducing others that belong in your repertoire; and totally geeks out about how fun, easy, and powerful they are to use.

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3:30 The road to rhetoric

7:50 Definition of rhetoric and the Queen Philosophy

10:56 What are rhetorical devices?

11:59 The OGs of ancient rhetoric

18:43 Recent rhetoricians

20:59 Aesthetics of rhetoric

27:10 Where to deploy rhetoric at trial

29:12 Rhetoric in oral and written advocacy

33:00 Taking rhetoric too far

35:55 Easiest rhetorical devices to use

40:23 Obama the rhetorician

45:20 Tricolon and antanagoge

50:33 Sources of inspiration

54:09 Favorite devices

55:19 Wait . . . Taylor Swift?

57:40 Pop villains on trial

1:06:23 Signoff questions

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“On an artistic level, rhetoric and the effective deployment of rhetorical devices give us emotional resonance and memory enhancement and aesthetic pleasure, and even surprise and novelty. Some rhetorical devices like irony or puns introduce the element of surprise and novelty, and they can be amusing or thought provoking, and they make the message more engaging, more memorable.”

57. 10 Things You Should Know about Trial Psychology

Episode 57

Tuesday, August 13, 2024 • Duration 01:07:56

Some of the most important heads to get into are those of the jurors seated for your trial. Fortunately, figuring out what makes people tick is both interesting and fun, and Temple University Director of Advocacy Programs Jules Epstein is here to share the lowdown. Whether he’s busting common courtroom myths, revealing how the camera lies, or delving into the cognitive process of jurors (and your very own self), Jules makes the case that knowing a little trial psychology can give you a competitive edge for the good of your clients.

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4:02 Curse of knowledge

10:04 Goldfish attention span

13:47 Slo-mo evidence

19:16 Problems with graphic evidence

24:43 Visuals with words

27:28 Disconnect between science and law

36:30 Camera bias

43:21 Thought processes

48:55 Mythbusting

53:46 Go slow

56:12 Bonus lessons

1:00:15 Collective Wisdom

1:03:55 Signoff questions

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“A visual guarantees that all twelve, or all eight, or all six jurors will know what something looked like.” Jules Epstein

Resources
Jules Epstein (bio)
NITA’s free Collective Wisdom articles (link) (latest)
Point Well Made: Persuasive Oral Advocacy ()

56. She Blinded Me with Science, with Judge Ruth McMullin

Episode 56

Tuesday, July 16, 2024 • Duration 46:27

If you’ve ever been baffled by scientific, technological, or financial evidence in your case or wondered how an expert witness arrived at their conclusions, former Gwinnett County Magistrate Judge Ruth McMullin is back on the podcast to share some know-how. In this episode, she talks about why you need to deep-dive into learning about subjects outside of your college major, what fact-finders want to know about forensics and how to make it easier for them to follow, the subtle things you can learn by using subpoenas, and the impact of bias in forensic evidence.

Topics

3:30 Types of forensic evidence

7:40 What’s harder and easier about types of evidence

12:03 What fact-finders want from forensic evidence

13:25 Judges’ versus jurors’ needs

17:33 Simplifying complex evidence for understanding and retention

22:57 Using expert reports

25:40 Impact in the post-truth era

31:43 Judge McMullin’s favorite forensic evidence

35:18 When your agency lacks funding for competing experts

37:35 Use of subpoenas

40:25 Role of bias in forensic evidence

44:05 Signoff questions

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“Does this [expert] report help, does it hurt, or is it neutral? A lot of times, lawyers will see a report from the opposing side and immediately think, ‘This hurts my case.’ But it you look at it and understand the parameters of that report, it may be neutral. You can save yourself a lot of stress and time if you understand how that evidence plays in with your bigger case. It may help your case, and you may look at the report and say, ‘You know what? This actually supports my theory.’ So, the more you [learn about and question forensic evidence], the more you get comfortable with saying, ‘I don’t have an objection to this report from the other side. I actually want it. I’m glad you got it, thank you.’”

55. Tell It to the Judge, with Judge Randall Warner and Judge Christopher Whitten

Episode 55

Tuesday, June 11, 2024 • Duration 48:24

Maricopa County Superior Court Judges Randall Warner and Christopher Whitten team up to talk about telling stories to judges. In this episode, the judges, from their unique vantage point on the bench, reveal what they want to hear or read from counsel, what they don’t, how to write briefs that tell a compelling narrative, where they find inspired (and inspiring) storytelling, and the summer vacations they’re dreaming of.

Topics

4:11 Why storytelling matters

7:04 Judges’ versus jurors’ needs

10:35 Storytelling techniques

14:30 Finding inspiration

19:10 Great legal storytellers

21:14 Advantages for both sides of “the v”

24:09 Writing interesting briefs

28:57 Telling the same story at trial as in briefs

30:29 Judges’ pet peeves in briefs

34:40 Opposing counsel’s miscasting your client

38:42 Storytelling about unsympathetic clients

41:47 Signoff questions

Quotes

“Fundamentally, every case is about a story, whether it’s a technical legal dispute or whether it’s a fact dispute at trial, it’s a competition to see whose story resonates more with whoever’s making the decision, whether it’s a judge or jury.” Judge Randall Warner

“Even as we’ve tried cases less and less often, we’ve gotten better and better at collecting facts, and I think that’s made us worse and worse at storytelling.” Judge Christopher Whitten

Resources

Judge Randall Warner (bio) (episode)Judge Christopher Whitten () ()Building Trial Skills: San Diego ()Dominic Gianna on (, )James Brosnahan on ()

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