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Itamar Gilad: the GIST of product discovery30 Jul 202401:04:31

Itamar Gilad is the author of Evidence Guided, which is my favorite book out there on how to practically DO product discovery. Prior to becoming a product consultant and trainer, he had a long product career at Google where he led the creation and launch of products that are now used by over a billion people.

In this conversation we explore the GIST approach to product discovery through the origin story of Gmail's tabbed inbox, to help you see what great product discovery looks like in practice.

Topics discussed

(01:33) Creating frameworks and coming up with catchy models

(10:02) GIST: the meta framework organizing model concept.

(15:02) Illustrating GIST through the story of Gmail tabbed inbox

(21:06) Refocusing goals led to stronger, simpler idea.

(25:08) Prioritize, filter, and reevaluate for effective ideas.

(29:02) Usability and value risks, low confidence, evolution.

(35:43) Key results drive achieving goals, engaging company.

(40:07) Inquiring about applying startup approach to enterprises.

(45:32) Navigating uncertainty in strategy with evidence and discovery.

(50:44) Emphasizing iterative nature of product discovery process.

(59:10) Encouraging analysis for companies hesitant about changes.

(01:01:18) Evaluate, test, experiment, launch, measure, impact, outcomes

Links & resources mentioned

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• Itamar Gilad : website, LinkedIn

• Evidence Guided (book) - website, Amazon

Related episodes:

#55: How does continuous discovery come together for a new product?

#44 Teresa Torres: Habits for clear thinking and better product bets

Books:

• Evidence Guided: website, Amazon

Other resources:

Itamar’s downloadable frameworks & resources

The GIST framework

Confidence meter for ICE scoring

Creating Product Strategy with Multiple Strategic Tracks (MuST)

Marty Cagan: The four big risks

Gibson Biddle: proxy metrics (within product strategy)



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Steve Portigal: Improving your user research process28 Jun 202401:14:19

Steve Portigal is a veteran user research leader and consultant who helps companies mature their research practices. He’s the author of Interviewing Users, a classic in the field, and the host of the design leadership podcast Dollars to Donuts. In this conversation, we explore:

• how to use creative practices to develop your voice as a leader and storyteller

• how to be a smart consumer of research findings when you aren’t an expert in the craft of research

• one simple question leaders can ask to set their organizations to make the most of research

• and how to create the conditions for high-impact, effective creative work in your team

Topics discussed

(10:21) Experimenting with writing and finding one's voice

(15:47) Feedback model: GASP - goals, attempts, successes, possibilities

(19:53) Workshops, creativity, and self-doubt

(27:06) Embrace authenticity, find your unique facilitation style

(28:10) Appreciating different approaches, understanding executives' skepticism

(34:37) Engage with compassion

(39:29) Research is essential for informed decision-making

(49:01) Compassion and reflection are crucial for leaders

(50:48) Create a safe learning space for engagement

(56:03) Assessing code quality and marketing effectiveness

(01:00:39) Research raises questions, timing and deployment important

(01:10:31) Stay fascinated with the world around you

Links & resources mentioned

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• Steve Portigal: website, LinkedIn

• Book: Interviewing Users

• Podcast: Dollars to Donuts

Related episodes

#3 Christina Wodtke: Unleashing potential with extraordinary teams

#62 Sahil Lavingia: Independent Thinking & Pricing at Gumroad

Books

Interviewing Users

Don’t Make Me Think

Other resources

Great User Research (for Non-Researchers)

When to Use Which User-Experience Research Methods

Nielsen: Why You Only Need to Test with 5 Users



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Eisha Armstrong: Pragmatic Strategies for Managing Change27 Sep 202300:43:38

Zooming in on three common change management issues: forecasting, role transitions, and departmental power dynamics.

Topics discussed

(00:03:01) Companies transforming into product organizations

(00:05:01) Revenue shift: smaller now, longer-term impact

(00:08:30) Practical topics: forecasting, transition, change management

(00:10:04) Identifying leading measures and assumptions in forecasts

(00:14:25) Seeking tech-enabled scale, revenue visibility, innovation

(00:20:29) Power shifts in organizations impact staffing and funding

(00:22:12) Evolving organizational model for product-centric strategy

(00:27:23) Key considerations for acquiring a company: purpose, integration, impact

(00:31:18) Leaders modeling simple mental health practices shift organizations. Organizational change requires supporting structures and models

(00:35:38) Quieting the mind to connect and trust

(00:37:33) Organizations need specific change management for success

(00:40:40) "Name fears, tame them; face personal insecurities."

Links & resources mentioned

Full transcript at: https://podcast.makethingsthatmatter.com/eisha-armstrong-pragmatic-change-management-strategies/#transcript

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* Guest: Eisha Tierney Armstrong - LinkedIn

* Book: Fearless: How to Transform a Services Culture and Successfully Productize

Related episodes:

* #2 Barry O’Reilly: Unlearning and creating culture change

* #9 Amy Edmondson: Building teams where people feel safe

* #59 Kenny Borg: Identity transformation and embodying fulfillment

Books:

* Fearless: How to Transform a Services Culture and Successfully Productize (Eisha’s book)

* "Leading Change" by John Kotter

* “Managing Transitions: Making the Most of the Change” by William Bridges



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MJ Jastrebski: How to build resilience and stay buoyant as a CPO10 Aug 202301:15:10

MJ Jastrebski is the CPO of Stylitics, a rapidly scaling retail technology company that helps retail websites automate styling and bundling for their consumers.

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:07:20) Understanding product roles/levels, influence, and career growth.

(00:13:10) Product and process management at different levels.

(00:19:22) Leadership training emphasizes accountability among executive teams, prioritizing cross-functional exec peer relationships & alignment.

(00:28:27) The importance of buoyancy.

(00:36:17) How mindfulness and empathy are important for effective leadership.

(00:43:41) What Stylitics is doing and how it's scaling up

(00:47:12) Expanding internationally and into new verticals. Emphasis on shipping and team muscle building.

(00:55:38) Creating product families to address pain points, setting expectations, iterating with alpha, beta, and GA stages, building retailer relationships, understanding different market needs.

(01:02:08) Changing roles, building skills, and evolving identity.

(01:11:30) Creating psychological safety is crucial for innovation. It allows people to take risks without fear of judgment or failure. This enables organizations to gather more information and make better decisions.

Links & resources mentioned

• You can end episode feedback on Twitter @askotzko , or via email

• Guest: MJ Jastrebski & Stylitics

Related episodes:

Mike Saloio: Leadership, meditation, ego, and ubuntu

Amy Edmondson: Building teams where people feel safe

Kenny Borg: Identity transformation

People & orgs:

Stylitics

Carlota Perez

Books:

Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital: The Dynamics of Bubbles and Golden Ages

The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership

Multipliers

Other resources:

Give away your legos

How to craft your product team at every stage, from pre-PMF to hypergrowth

The 3 lenses of innovation



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Thank you, and a brief update19 Jul 202300:02:16

It's been quiet around here because I'm in deep in the creative process of reimagining this show, and I need your help. Podcast analytics are terrible, and I want to know more about YOU.

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Donna Lichaw: The leader's journey30 May 202301:00:23

Donna Lichaw is an executive coach for unconventional leaders, and the author of the newly-released book The Leader’s Journey.

Donna brings a background in design and product to her executive coaching and helps unconventional leaders take control of the story to drive impact for themselves and within their teams. We go deep on:

* how to handle managing our own stories in healthy conflict

* creating psychological safety

* what it looks like to “give yourself an A” so you feel freed up to invent new possibilities

Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Google, Overcast, or Youtube.

Links & resources

* Send episode feedback on Twitter @askotzko , or via email

* Donna Lichaw: website, LinkedIn, Twitter

* Donna’s new book: The Leader’s Journey

Related episodes:

* Mike Saloio: Leadership, meditation, ego, and ubuntu

People & orgs:

* Neuroleadership Institute

Books:

* The Art of Possibility

* Rethinking Positive Thinking

* The Upside Of Your Dark Side

* Nonviolent Communication

* Radical Candor

Other resources:

* Donna’s toolkit

* The SCARF model (psych safety)

* 3F model



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Adam Thomas: Operationalizing your product strategy17 May 202300:54:01

Adam Thomas is a coach that helps product teams operationalize strategy so they spend more time focused on building the right products and less time fighting fires.

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Links & resources mentioned:

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* Adam Thomas: website, LinkedIn, Twitter

* Adam’s Maven workshop: Survival Metrics

Related episodes:

* Melissa Perri: Product strategy and the missing middle

Books and media:

* Good Strategy, Bad Strategy

* The Crux

Other resources:

* Warhammer 40K

Timestamps:

[00:01:48] War gaming shaped product strategy

[00:03:22] Warhammer 40K

[00:07:11] Michael Jordan's Winning Shot

[00:11:22] The whole person equation

[00:14:15] Emotions in the workplace

[00:17:54] Survival metrics

[00:23:08] Implementing survival metrics

[00:27:26] Trust issues in product development

[00:30:05] Internal value exchange

[00:34:33] Being "Product Led" is Misleading

[00:36:26] Using survival metrics consistently

[00:39:23] Focusing on important outcomes

[00:45:12] Complying with regulations in finance

[00:50:13] Questions to ask yourself



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Mike Saloio: Leadership, meditation, ego, and ubuntu11 Apr 202300:50:16

Mike Saloio is the CEO and cofounder of Huddle, a startup that brings together fractional swat teams of expert builders to help startups generate real momentum on their most important projects within a week.

This is a candid conversation about leadership and how our egos, sense of identity, and personal practices shape our company cultures. In particular, I think you’ll find practical benefit from our discussion about decoupling the concepts of morality and integrity to have healthier team dynamics.

* Mike Saloio - Twitter, LinkedIn

* Huddle

Related episodes:

* Barry Brown: Work as a pathway of transformation

People & orgs:

* Steph Golik (cofounder)

* TechStars

* EXPA

* Rick Rubin

* Alfred Adler

* Ray Dalio

* Russell Simmons (+ meditation book)

Books and media:

* The Courage To Be Disliked

* Article - Polarities

* Polarity Management (book)

* Success Through Stillness

* Rick Rubin book

* Huddle launch article

* The Playbook

Other resources:

* Ikigai

* “You must become somebody before you become nobody

* Ubuntu

* Transcendental Meditation

* Four minute mile effect - Bannister effect



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Rob Walling: The SaaS playbook and gut intuition27 Mar 202300:55:43

The SaaS Playbook will shave years off your learning curve if you want to build a SaaS. Rob Walling is a serial entrepreneur and the internet godfather of indie SaaS businesses who has built six companies and has been a long-standing voice in creative, independent paths into product building and entrepreneurship since 2010.

Links & resources mentioned

* Book: The SaaS Playbook

* Back the Kickstarter

* Startups for the Rest of Us podcast & MicroConf YouTube

* TinySeed

* MicroConf

Related episodes:

* Rob Walling (ep28): Build a great business and let that be enough

* DJ DiDonna: Navigating sabbaticals and career breaks

People & orgs:

* TinySeed

* MicroConf

* Dr Shelly Walling

* Justin Jackson - choosing a market

Books:

* The SaaS Playbook

* The Entrepreneur’s Guide to Keeping Your Sh*t Together

* Start Small, Stay Small: A Developer's Guide to Launching a Startup

* The Zen Founder Guide to Founder Retreats

Other resources:

* MicroConf

* IndieHackers

* The 5PM idea validation framework

* Survivorship bias

* Stair step method of bootstrapping



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Double click on the love07 Mar 202300:10:41

What do you do when one of your top three KPIs is stagnant, and the product isn't growing? A micro case study in debugging retention and unlocking growth.

You can read the original article here: https://tinyurl.com/2hdmy2zp

LINK: STARTING CONDITION CHART: https://tinyurl.com/2fnemasz

LINK: DEEPER DIVE PIE CHART: https://tinyurl.com/2lyjalyp



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Petra Wille: Building a community of practice28 Feb 202300:50:40

Petra Wille is a product leadership coach and the author of Strong Product People, my go-to book for the people development side of being a product leader. In this conversation, we dive deep into why and how a community of practice can level up your team and save training budget.

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Links & resources mentioned:

Petra Wille:

Website

Twitter @loomista

LinkedIn

• Book: Strong Product People

• Conference: Product at Heart

Related episodes:

Amy Edmondson: Building teams where people feel safe

People & orgs:

Robert Kegan

Tolingo (translation company)

Books:

Strong Product People

An Everyone Culture

The Culture Map

Selling the Dream

Other resources:

Product Communities of Practice: Everything You Need to Know

Dan Pink - Autonomy, mastery, purpose

The (product) cultural iceberg



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Bob Moesta: Prototyping to learn & applying JTBD theory07 Feb 202301:01:36

Bob Moesta is one of the pioneers of Jobs To Be Done (JTBD) theory, which has fundamentally changed the way we think about building products and discovering what progress people actually need and want from the products they hire.

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LINKS & RESOURCES MENTIONED

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Bob Moesta: The Rewired Group, LinkedIn, Twitter

Bob’s books and podcast Learning to Build Demand-Side Sales 101 Jobs to be Done Handbook The Circuit Breaker podcast

RELATED EPISODES:

April Dunford: Find your power in the market through positioning

PEOPLE & ORGS:

W. Edwards Deming

Clayton Christensen

Genichi Taguchi

Willie Hobbs Moore

Tim Davis

Claire Sullentrope

April Dunford

Ryan Singer

Basecamp

Intercom

BOOKS:

Learning to Build

Competing Against Luck

Grit

Introduction to Quality Engineering

Orthogonal Arrays and Linear Graphs

Shape Up

How Will You Measure Your Life?

Never Split the Difference

OTHER RESOURCES:

Orthogonal arrays

Magic squares

L9 prototype



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Christian Idiodi: Telling the story of transformation31 May 202401:05:45

Christian Idiodi is a partner at Silicon Valley Product Group (SVPG). Before SVPG, he profoundly shaped or reshaped the culture and products of CareerBuilder, Snagajob, and led the product transformation in Datasite, the first SaaS for due diligence in the finance industry.

Topics discussed

(08:56) An unusual childhood leads to survival skills, creativity

(12:25) Aspiring doctor turned innovator seeking problem-solving opportunities

(18:33) Guiding others through transformation, not crafting it

(21:31) Thriving on tech success, driven by motivation

(28:40) Cycle of innovation: growth, stagnation, reversion, reaction

(36:45) Reading biographies as a leader to improve your decision-making

(37:40) Key to career success: leadership, insight, humility

(47:23) Transitioning roles, what were key mindset shifts?

(56:30) Prioritizing practice before game day

(01:03) Choose kindness, support, and do good work

Links & resources mentioned

Find the full transcript at: https://podcast.makethingsthatmatter.com/christian-idiodi-telling-the-story-of-transformation/#transcript

* Christian Idiodi - SVPG

* New book: TRANSFORMED

* Inspire Africa Conference

* Innovate Africa Foundation

Related episodes:

* Marty Cagan: Moving to the product model

* Martina Hodges-Schell: Understanding your operating model

* Product Therapy - What is product sense?

People & orgs:

* Jay Acunzo

Books:

* Turn the Ship Around - L. David Marquet

* An Everyone Culture - Robert Kegan

* Build - Tony Fadell

* Walter Isaacson - Steve Jobs

* Team of Rivals - Abraham Lincoln

* Invention: A Life of Learning Through Failure

* Sam Walton: Made In America



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Sahil Lavingia: Independent Thinking + Pricing Changes at Gumroad25 Jan 202301:03:47

Sahil Lavingia has had an epic journey as an entrepreneur: he dropped out of college to become employee #2 at Pinterest and then went on to found Gumroad, one of the largest platforms for creators to sell their work and earn a living online. After the company failed to meet its VC-driven growth timeline and almost died, Sahil had to lay everyone off and build it back up into the resilient, streamlined, and fully distributed company it is today.

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Links & resources mentioned:

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• Sahil Lavingia: Gumroad, Twitter, personal site

• Book: The Minimalist Entrepreneur

• “Reflecting on My Failure to Build a Billion-Dollar Company”: essay + talk

Sahil’s early stage investment fund

Related episodes:

#42 ARM: A mental model for fulfilling work

People & orgs:

Gumroad

USC

Patreon

BandCamp

Substack

Daniel Vassallo tweet about money he’s made Gumroad

Paul Graham: “You've found market price when buyers complain but still pay.”

Books:

The Minimalist Entrepreneur

Essentialism

Only the Paranoid Survive

Other resources:

• How Gumroad is run: No Meetings, No Deadlines, No Full-Time Employees

• Video: Gumroad Q4 2022 board meeting - where pricing change was announced

• “Reflecting on My Failure to Build a Billion-Dollar Company”: essay + MicroConf talk

What is a transformer model (AI)?



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5 Takeaways from a week with some of the world's best product coaches10 Jan 202300:15:29

Five things I (re)learned from spending a week with SVPG + some of the best product coaches in the world.

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Related episodes

#60 DJ DiDonna: Navigating sabbaticals and career breaks 

People & orgs

Marty Cagan & SVPG 

Books

The Thin Book of Trust

Other resources mentioned

Vision example: SpaceX

Vision example: Microsoft productivity

Vision example: Apple’s Knowledge Navigator

Scaled Agile Framework (SAFe)

Original agile manifesto 



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DJ DiDonna: Navigating sabbaticals and career breaks27 Dec 202201:05:59

DJ DiDonna helps us approach taking REAL time off and evolving our identity along with our career.

Whether you’re feeling like you need to take time off, or if you’re curious about what sabbaticals are and why they might be good for both you and your organization, have a listen. You’ll learn about how your interests and identity can evolve along with your career, but not be bound by your career.

Links & resources mentioned

• Send episode feedback on Twitter @askotzko , or via email

DJ DiDonna: LinkedIn

The Sabbatical Project

Related episodes:

#59 Kenny Borg: Identity transformation and embodying fulfillment

People & orgs:

The Sabbatical Project

Books:

Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life

Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes

Pivot: The Only Move That Matters Is Your Next One

How Will You Measure Your Life?

The Lies of Locke Lamora

Other resources:

TED talk: Stefan Sagmeister: The power of time off

DJ’s TEDx talk: Sabbaticals: Time [off] well spent

LinkedIn career break feature

Research: “The three meanings of meaning in life: Distinguishing coherence, purpose, and significance”

Exercise: 2022 Reflection + 2023 Goal Setting



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#59 Kenny Borg: Identity transformation + embodying fulfillment01 Nov 202200:58:41

Kenny Borg helps us explore the ongoing evolution of our identity, deal with imposter syndrome, and embody fulfillment throughout the journey instead of putting it off to the end. He cofounded Ethr, a coaching collective that exists to help you develop a relationship with your own consciousness and actualize your wisdom. Before that, he spent more than a decade as a founder & CEO operating and advising direct to consumer brands. 

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#58 Scott Young: Learning for Real Life28 Jun 202201:30:07

Scott Young is an expert on rapid, effective learning. This ep will help you learn new skills effectively and quickly amidst the chaos of real life.

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#57 Rob Fitzpatrick: Shaping an Entrepreneurial Career31 May 202201:21:13
#56 Ash Maurya: The Innovator's Gift07 Apr 202201:05:31

Ash Maurya introduces "The Innovator's Gift" to help you find problems worth solving, and navigate the uncertainty of new product ideas.

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Ash Maurya - LEANSTACK, TwitterAsh's books:New: Running LeanScaling Lean

Related episodes#55: How does continuous discovery come together for a new product?#44 Teresa Torres: Habits for clear thinking and better product bets

People & orgsBob MoestaTom ChiTom Chi talk @ MindValley: Everything is Connected - Here's HowW. Edwards DemingPeter DruckerSteve BlankEric RiesDave McClureSean Ellis

BooksThey All Laughed: The Fascinating Stories Behind the Great Inventions That Have Changed Our LivesUser Story MappingWhen Coffee and Kale Compete (JTBD) - Alan KlementDemand-Side Sales - Bob MoestaThe ONE ThingThinking in Systems

Other resources mentionedCustomer forces canvasLEAN canvasJobs to Be Done (JTBD)The Milkshake StudyRecency Bias



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How do I do continuous discovery for a new product, pre-PMF?01 Mar 202200:18:38

How to apply continuous discovery techniques to a nascent, early stage product that doesn't yet have product-market fit.

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Related episodes

#44 Teresa Torres: Habits for clear thinking and better product bets

#31 Marty Cagan: Empowering product teams to do the best work of their lives

People & orgs

Teresa Torres

Ash Maurya

Jeff Patton

Marty Cagan

Books

Continuous Discovery Habits, by Teresa Torres

INSPIRED, by Marty Cagan

Other resources:

Andrew's original Twitter thread

Opportunity Solution Trees - Teresa Torres

Jeff Patton - Story Mapping

Lean(er) Canvas - Ash Maurya

Jobs to Be Done (JTBD)



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#54 David Kadavy: Creative self-actualization11 Jan 202201:19:14

David Kadavy will help you follow your curiosity, find your way to creative self-actualization, and learn to discern what you really want.

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David Kadavy: website, Twitter, podcastDavid's podcast: Love Your WorkDavid's newsletter, Love MondaysDavid's books:Design for HackersThe Heart to StartMind Management, Not Time ManagementDigital Zettelkasten: Principles, Methods, & Examples

Related episodes#9 Amy Edmondson: Building teams where people feel safe#49: Founders Pledge - Thoughts on entrepreneurship and philanthropy

People & orgs80,000 HoursEffective Altruism

BooksWork, by James SuzmanDoing Good Better (effective altruism)Why We Make Things and Why It Matters, by Peter KornFlow, by Mihaly CsikszentmihalyiThe Time Paradox, by Philip ZimbardoBorn Standing Up, by Steve MartinSo Good They Can't Ignore You, by Cal NewportThe Case Against Education, by Brian CaplanThe Art of Learning, by Josh WaitzkinMy Creative Space, by Donald Rattner

Other resources mentionedDonald Rattner on David's podcastFounders PledgeEzra Klein podcast with James SuzmanSteve Jobs 2005 Stanford commencement addressSocial desirability biasTheranos - Elizabeth HolmesTaylorismNaNoWriMo



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#53: Turning over a tough year26 Dec 202100:14:38

Some short thoughts on how to review and close out a tough year, and set ourselves up for a powerful, generative new year.

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Martina Hodges-Schell: Understanding your operating model15 Apr 202400:55:39

Martina Hodges-Schell is a transformation coach and consultant that helps organizations adopt a Silicon Valley approach to innovation. She spent 25 years leading design and innovation in tech companies, and now she loves providing a fresh, outside perspective to help teams develop and mature their product practice.

In this conversation, we…

* define transformation and what it means for your company operating model

* explore how a company operating model might be shifted by adapting AI technology

* Discuss how embodied leadership practices like equine coaching can give leaders the most honest feedback

Enjoy!

Topics discussed

(05:31) A horse's feedback reflects your behavior and communication

(06:51) Feedback on your actions and decision making

(10:48) Leaders MUST be involved in change process

(13:57) Control is equated with power, active involvement important

(18:58) Change is difficult, people resist it

(19:45) Balancing ideas within organizations, encouraging participation

(25:37) Four lenses for an operating model

(29:18) How AI transforms operating model: structure and collaboration challenges

(31:36) Organizational structure should promote collaboration and communication

(37:17) Optimistic about innovation, promoting change and collaboration

(39:55) Focus on broad possibilities, capabilities, and brand

(43:16) Closing the loop from teams to leadership

(50:20) Guiding questions in life

(52:49) Book recommendations

Links & resources mentioned

Find the full transcript at: https://podcast.makethingsthatmatter.com/martina-hodges-schell-operating-model/#transcript

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* Martina Hodges-Schell: website, LinkedIn

* Book: Communicating the UX Vision: 13 Anti-patterns That Block Good Design

Related episodes:

* #72 Pam Fox Rollin: Growing Groups Into Teams

* #75 Chris Smith: Simple guidelines for AI investment sizing

* #74 Chris Smith: How to think about adding AI to your product

* #77 Marty Cagan: Moving to the product model

* #39 Melissa Perri: Product strategy and the missing middle in organizations

People & orgs:

* Noelle Saldana

Books:

* The Build Trap

* Growing Groups Into Teams

* TRANSFORMED

* Managing Transitions

* Transitions: Making Sense of Life's Changes

* Leading Change

Other resources:

* Martina’s OMG (operating model goals) canvas

* North Shore - AI transformation blog series



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#52 How to get more creative flow in your work day09 Dec 202100:31:03

Flow is defined as an optimal state of consciousness, where you feel and perform at your best. This episode will help you get more of it in your day.

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#51 Two years in: Making things that matter09 Nov 202100:16:13

Wow: two years of making things that matter! Andrew checks in with lessons learned in year two, impactful episodes and show updates.

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#50 Bo Burlingham: Small Giants & the roots of great businesses07 Sep 202101:21:03

Best known for his books Small Giants and The Great Game of Business, Bo is an editor-at-large of Inc. magazine and the author of five books which have profoundly impacted values-led business creation. I don't know of anyone that has explored more deeply, through real-world examples, what it means to build a *meaningful* business. 

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#49: Thoughts on entrepreneurship and philanthropy10 Aug 202100:49:53

This episode flips the script and makes Andrew the guest, exploring his views on entrepreneurship and philanthropy.

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#48 ARM redux: 4 nuances of fulfilling work27 Jul 202100:13:58

This episode explores four nuances of creative and fulfilling work. It share lessons from follow-on conversations to ep42 about ARM, a mental model for fulfilling work.

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#47 Matt Kressy: Love as creative fuel13 Jul 202101:10:35

Matt Kressy is the founding director of the Integrated Design & Management (IDM) program at MIT. This conversation is a heartfelt exploration about art, design, and the inner drives that fuel our creative work.

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#46 The Infinite Game, by Simon Sinek: Book summary29 Jun 202100:18:23

This episode reviews the key ideas from "The Infinite Game," a massively transformative book by Simon Sinek, and explores how to apply them to your work.

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#45: The Timeless Way of Leading15 Jun 202100:09:32

This adapts the core ideas from "The Timeless Way of Building," a classic of architectural theory, to creative and personal leadership. 

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#44 Teresa Torres: Habits for clear thinking and better product bets01 Jun 202101:16:47

Teresa Torres teaches an approach to product creation and creative work that will help you think more clearly, make better decisions, and raise the odds your bets will pay off. She's the author of the new book, Continuous Discovery Habits.

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#43 Courtney Bigony: Life above neutral with Positive Product Design18 May 202100:59:03

Courtney Bigony is on a mission to align tech products with the latest science of human thriving.  She's the creator of Positive Product Design and the Director of People Science at 15Five. 

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Marty Cagan: Moving to the product model13 Mar 202401:01:45

Marty Cagan joins me for real talk about what it takes to transform into a strong product company.

You can read the episode transcript here.

Topics discussed:

(00:00) The process and challenges in writing a book

(12:27) Real world products need tech for results

(17:28) Deciding on investments, solving problems, and changing processes

(28:11) Understanding disconnects

(36:00) Top leadership support crucial

(40:28) How product coaches help

(44:57) "Being agile" doesn't always mean "doing agile"

(49:52) Handling objections well

(54:45) How it comes together in an organizational operating model

Links & resources mentioned:

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Marty Cagan

LinkedIn, website

• New book: TRANSFORMED

• Previous books: INSPIRED, EMPOWERED

• SVPG

Related episodes:

#31 Marty Cagan - Empowering product teams

Books:

The Crux

• Good Strategy, Bad Strategy

The Art of Action

Other resources:

Product Management Theater

Product Leadership Theater

• Transformation Theater

• So You Want To Write a Book?



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#42 ARM: A mental model for fulfilling work04 May 202100:11:15

ARM is a simple mental model to help you intentionally craft more fulfilling work.

Update: I’ve now released a follow-up episode answering four questions about the model that have come up since this episode was released. Check it out here.

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#41 Barry Brown: Work as a pathway of transformation20 Apr 202101:20:00

Barry Brown helps leaders be more of who they are and be more effective in making their unique contribution to the world.

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#40 Eric Steege: Treat your culture like a product06 Apr 202100:59:38
#39 Melissa Perri: Product strategy and the missing middle in organizations23 Mar 202100:54:19

Melissa Perri is on a mission to grow great product leaders. This conversation will help you to become more strategic and multiply your impact. 

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#38 Sarah Avenir: What is people-first growth?09 Mar 202101:00:28

Sarah Avenir is a full-hearted leader who models vulnerable strength in her experiments to create sustainable businesses that are good for people.

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#37 C Todd Lombardo: Ask better questions to unlock clarity23 Feb 202101:03:39

C Todd Lombardo brings a blend of humanity, rigor, and innate curiosity to the questions that shape what we do. Learn to ask better questions and unlock clarity in your work.

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#36 Michael O'Bryan: The mechanics of our humanity09 Feb 202101:02:57

Michael O'Bryan is on a quest to make truly humane systems by transforming how organizations understand and support human development, interaction, and performance. 

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#35 Dianne Frommelt: Building products to help people become their best selves26 Jan 202100:54:22

Dianne Frommelt is the Chief Product Officer for 15Five, a company I am a longtime fan of. They're on a mission to create high performing, highly engaged teams, and to create a product that helps everyone who uses it to be and become their best selves.

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#34 Will Toms: The power of creative community12 Jan 202100:50:23

Will Toms is the cofounder of REC Philly, an incubator, community, and resource center aimed at helping independent creatives make a sustainable living. In short, he's out to challenge the narrative of the starving artist and create an international community of creatives who control their own destinies. 

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#33: 8 Lessons Learned in 202029 Dec 202001:00:48

For the last episode of 2020, Andrew reflects on 8 big lessons learned from guests this year, and shares a few reflection questions to ask yourself. Wishing you all a peaceful end to this turbulent year. Here's to making things that matter in 2021!

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Randy Silver: The conversations that create impactful products23 Jan 202400:58:08

Randy Silver is a product leadership advisor, podcast host, and global product community weaver. We explore the conversations needed to drive impact and perception of value.

You can also read this episode here.

Topics discussed:

(04:00) Moving from a journalistic editor to product editor

(07:34) Parallels between product management film production

(09:53) Missed opportunities & the need for collaboration

(15:21) Alignment with stakeholders

(18:24) Sales misalignment and restructures

(21:10) Diagnosing teamwork challenges with partners

(25:02) Diagnosing your new org via informational interviews

(28:05) Creating a manager README

(30:11) Roles and responsibilities convo for better understanding

(35:19) Guiding conversations and change

(44:22) Did reorganization at Airbnb address strategy misalignment?

(46:18) Defensive reaction within product community to Airbnb

(52:14) Coordinating while scaling

Links & resources mentioned

Find the full transcript at: https://podcast.makethingsthatmatter.com/randy-silver-conversations-create-impact#transcript

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Randy Silver: website, LinkedIn, Twitter

MTP talk: “Getting aligned with your exec team by Randy Silver”

• Podcast: The Product Experience

• Book: “What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of Crisis”

The product environment canvas

Stakeholder Informational interview template

Related episodes:

Andrew on Randy’s podcast, The Product Experience

#72 Pam Fox Rollin: Growing groups into teams

#44 Teresa Torres: Habits for clear thinking and better product bets

#18 Josh Seiden: Create clarity with outcomes thinking

#5 Rich Mironov: Building a thriving product organization

#3 Christina Wodtke: Unleashing potential with extraordinary teams

People & orgs:

Georgie Smallwood

Matt LeMay

Alan Albert - value based pricing

Itamar Gilad

Books:

Growing Groups Into Teams

Evidence Guided

The Team That Managed Itself

Continuous Discovery Habits

Outcomes Over Output

Making Things Happen: Mastering Project Management

Other resources:

Product, it’s time to grow up

• The 11 Laws of Showrunning

Rich Mironov: The slippery slope of sales-led development

The Journey to Empowered Teams - Twitter, Airbnb & Tumblr

Product Strategy Acid Test

OODA loop

• Manager README: The Indispensable Document for the Modern Manager

Roman Pichler - the decision making chart

Relentless equanimity



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#32 Alex Hillman: How to play the long game of business15 Dec 202000:59:32

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Marty Cagan: Empowering product teams01 Dec 202000:59:50

Marty Cagan is basically the godfather of modern tech product management.

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## Links & resources mentioned

Marty Cagan - @cagan

New book: EMPOWERED - coauthored with Chris Jones

Previous book: INSPIRED

Silicon Valley Product Group (SVPG) workshops

Matt LeMay

Teresa Torres

Mind the Product

OKRs vs roadmaps

Books:

Turn the Ship Around

Leadership is Language

Trillion Dollar Coach

No Rules Rules (Netflix culture)



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#30 Natalie Nagele: Building a people-first company at Wildbit17 Nov 202000:59:46

This is the first episode released under the new name of the show, Make Things That Matter! If you're curious, listen to ep29 for more on the rebranding.

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#29: One year of the podcast! And a new show name.03 Nov 202000:06:18

Links & resources mentioned

All year one episodes:

May Lindstrom: The power of having a North Star (#1) 

Barry O’Reilly: Unlearning and creating culture change (#2) 

Christina Wodtke: Unleashing potential with extraordinary teams (#3) 

Marshall Mosher: tough product calls, acclimating to fear & what it feels like to be Iron Man (#4) 

Rich Mironov: Building a thriving product organization (#5) 

Barry Brown: Shaping the shapers (#6) 

Becky Baybrook: culture, candor, and how Millenials are changing management (#7) 

Paula Daniels: Living on the edge of your own invention (#8) 

Amy Edmondson: Building teams where people feel safe (#9) 

Susan Basterfield: decentralized team structures and participatory decision-making (#10) 

Rian Doris & Conor Murphy: Flow — Cultivating the optimal experience of life (part 1) (#11) 

Rian Doris & Conor Murphy: Flow — Cultivating the optimal experience of life (part 2) (#12) 

Muriel Clauson: The Future of Work — identity, engagement, and being future-ready (#13) 

Derik Mills: Cultivating a faculty of wonder in business and life (#14) 

Sam Fankuchen: Leadership and responding to the needs of the world in a time of crisis (#15) 

Holly Hester-Reilly: Building a customer-centric team and product culture (#16) 

Dr Matthew Cook: Beating trauma, identity shifts, and continually recreating who you are (#17) 

Josh Seiden: How to create clarity and lead strategically with outcomes thinking (#18) 

Dan Gould: Fighting unconscious bias and attacking systemic problems with entrepreneurship (#19) 

Nilofer Merchant: Unleashing Onlyness to benefit from the ideas and potential in every person (#20) 

April Dunford: Find your power in the market through positioning (#21) 

Pam Fox Rollin: How to be a decisive leader who helps people come alive (#22) 

Soushiant Zanganehpour: Solving systemic problems with social entrepreneurship (#23) 

Laura Garnett: Find your zone of genius and never fear a job search again (#24) 

Karl Kuhnert: How to find strength in vulnerability and live your values as a leader (#25) 

David Dylan Thomas: Understand cognitive bias to create positive impact in your work (#26) 

Hope Gurion: What nobody told you about being a product leader (#27) 

Rob Walling: Build a great business and let that be enough (#28) 



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