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GDX vs. gold: Why are gold stocks lagging, and how can investors find the real winners? Kitco’s Senior Mining Editor and Anchor Paul Harris interviews Garrett Goggin, founder of Golden Portfolio, at the 2025 Mines and Money Conference in Miami. Goggin shares his insights on the gold cycle, explaining why the GDX often underperforms compared to gold itself. He emphasizes the importance of free cash flow per share for driving gold stock prices and identifies an undervaluation in the mining sector. Goggin also touches on the potential impact of the U.S. Treasury marking its gold reserves to market and the possibility of a new gold standard.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Are rising gold prices translating to increased investor interest? Kitco’s Senior Mining Editor and Anchor Paul Harris interviews Josh Goldfarb, Managing Director of Metals & Mining Group at BMO Capital Markets, on the sidelines of the 2025 BMO Global Metals, Mining & Critical Minerals Conference. Goldfarb discusses the renewed sense of optimism in the mining sector. He highlights increasing investor interest, driven by rising copper and gold prices and strong financial results from mining companies. He also touches on the growing importance of M&A activity and capital discipline in the sector, as well as new sources of capital emerging from the Middle East and Europe. Goldfarb emphasizes that smart M&A deals will drive the sector forward in 2025.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Is now the time to invest in gold equities? Kitco’s Senior Mining Editor and Anchor Paul Harris interviews Ross Beaty, Chairman of Equinox Gold, at the Vancouver Resource Investment Conference. They discuss Equinox Gold's impressive growth, strategy, and the future of the gold and silver markets.

Key Points
- Equinox Gold's journey to becoming a near million-ounce producer with eight operating mines.
- The company's focus on deleveraging and optimizing its portfolio.
- Ross Beaty's insights on the disconnect between gold prices and equity values.
- A look at opportunities in the copper and silver spaces, including Pan American Silver.

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00:00 Introduction: Equinox Gold's Achievements in 2024
02:11 Challenges and Setbacks
03:40 Future Plans and Deleveraging Strategy
05:44 Opportunities in the Gold Market
14:42 Pan American Silver and the Silver Market
17:39 Copper Market Insights and Predictions
20:25 Big Mining Companies and M&A Activities
26:32 Predictions for 2025

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Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Big mining deals are going to bring needed attention to the mining sector and build more enthusiasm, noted Adam Lundin, chair of Lundin Group. 

This week Adam spoke to Kitco Mining. 

Earlier this month BHP Group announced a surprise takeover bid for Anglo American valued at over $31 billion. 

"When you see blockbuster news like that, it's hard not to get excited," said Lundin. "I think M&A can be good for the sector, and I think it [brings] a lot of attention to the space and gets more eyeballs on it. Let's stay tuned and see how it plays out."

The Lundin Group's Lundin Mining (TSE:LUN) is up 62% year to date this year with a market cap of $13.6 billion thanks to a run in copper and other metals. The company is expected to produce between 366,000 to 400,000 tonnes of copper and between 155,000 to 170,000 ounces of gold in 2024. 

Ludin Mining has a healthy pipeline. The Lundin's Josemaria project is to be developed as a large-scale open pit mining operation. As currently envisaged, over 1 billion tonnes of ore will be mined at average diluted head grades of approximately 0.30% copper, 0.22 g/t gold and a strip ratio of 0.98 over a 19-year mine life.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Copper projects pose substantial hurdles for development, said Alistair Waddell, president and CEO of Inflection Resources. 

In early May Waddell spoke to Kitco Mining at Deutsche Goldmesse in Frankfurt, Germany. 

Inflection Resources (CSE:AUCU) is a copper and gold company focused on eastern Australia. It is exploring Macquarie Arc in New South Wales. The company also has an Anglogold Ashanti partnership. 

Waddell said spurring copper project development is challenging. 

There's a lack of funding for copper exploration because it can be expensive, time-consuming and requires large land positions in sometimes challenging jurisdictions, noted Waddell. Exploring for porphyries requires a lot of time, money, and drilling which can be difficult for junior mining companies.

Higher copper prices are starting spur companies. Interest in the sector is even coming from traditionally gold-focused companies.

Coverage of Deutsche Goldmesse is sponsored by Dynacor. 

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Mining has to do more work to attract investors, said Joanna Ponicka, vice president of exploration at Equivest. 

In early May Ponicka spoke to Kitco Mining at Deutsche Goldmesse at Frankfurt, Germany. 

Ponicka said the mining sector has a perception problem and that is leading to less funding. A lack of investment in grassroots exploration is leading to a shortage of new discoveries. 

"As a prospect generator, we definitely see less money in the industry to do early-stage exploration," said Ponicka. "Early-stage exploration is where most of our discoveries come from."

Ponicka said the industry is going through a "pretty dry period." Ponicka said that technology and cryptocurrencies hold more appeal for younger investors.

"This year there is very little testing new ideas and drilling. I think the entire industry is suffering.  It's such a traditional industry. It's also a very risky industry. 

Possible solutions are adopting a more modern style of communication, perhaps with more of a focus on social media, suggested Ponicka. Communications need to be more engaging and less corporate, as well as targeted to shorter attention spans.

She also said that more focus on education and success stories could help to attract new capital to the sector. Lastly, sector events need to innovate to become more engaging and educational. Visual representations of projects and teaching investors how to understand good results could be two beneficial tactics.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

While central bank buying has been supportive of gold prices, interest rate cuts later this year could send the metal higher, said Jeff Clark, editor of the TheGoldAdvisor.com. 

In early May Clark spoke to Kitco Mining at Deutsche Goldmesse in Frankfurt, Germany. 

Gold has hit several all-time highs this attributed to strong central bank buying. 

"This could be a banner year for central bank gold buying," said Clark. "In my humble opinion, that is not why the gold price is higher. I think central bank gold buying actually supports the price though. It's just an important component of this market. "

Clark said central bank buying has reached a "crescendo" after 15 years of increased spend on gold. Clark said that interest rate cuts by the Fed could be a real impetus for the metal. 

"$2, 500 is easily within reach this year," said Clark. 

While gold prices are rising, gold equities haven't shown the same level of growth yet, noted Clark. He said this lag is typical in bull markets, and money is expected to flow into the sector soon.

Mergers and acquisitions are increasing due to limited exploration and development in recent years make M&A a more attractive option than starting from scratch. Clark said M&A activity will likely continue and even accelerate.

Surprisingly, copper hasn't seen the same level of excitement as gold, noted Clark, despite the growing need for copper in green energy initiatives.

"Every week there's a new chart about the deficit that's coming in copper," said Clark. "Take the average of those, and even if that was only half right, that's still a lot of copper that's going to be needed. And so, the rush into copper really hasn't happened yet. And that is something as an investor, I like to hear."

Coverage of Deutsche Goldmesse sponsored by Dynacor. 

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

While the Federal Reserve is delaying rate cuts due to inflation, the economy is still getting lots of support, noted Eric Strand, founder and portfolio manager of AuAg Funds. 

In early May Strand spoke to Kitco Mining at Deutsche Goldmesse. 

Strand believes central bank buying, signs of continued monetary easing, and the massive deficits incurred by the U.S. are primary drivers behind gold's surge. 

"Even if we don't have seen the rates coming down, the Fed has been doing some kind of backdoor quantitative easing," said Strand, who noted that the monetary base is going up and the U.S. is running big deficits. "It's a very expense economy. The lower rates are coming, and the market can see it."

While he initially predicted a target of around $2,475, he now believes gold could climb even higher this year, given the market momentum. Strand also points to increased geopolitical risks and the weaponization of the U.S. dollar as reasons why central banks, especially in BRICS nations, are turning to gold as a safe haven asset. When comparing gold's price even at $4,000 per ounce to the combined U.S. debt and federal reserve balance sheet, he argues that gold is still undervalued and therefore likely to continue climbing.

While gold equities haven't mirrored the bullish price movement, Strand expects significant leverage, margin expansion, and strong performance for the remainder of the year, possibly even hitting triple-digit gains. However, he notes the lack of investment in exploration remains a long-term concern and could impact supply down the road.

Coverage of Deutsche Goldmesse is sponsored by Dynacor. 

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Despite high yields and a strong U.S. dollar, gold is moving higher because of the compelling macro picture, said Brien Lundin, editor of the Gold Newsletter. 

In early May Lundin spoke to Kitco Mining at Deutsche Goldmesse in Frankfurt, Germany. 

He called the rally surprising and believes it is driven by a combination of factors, including central bank buying, strong demand from China, increased buying from hedge funds and growing unease about global debt levels. 

"The buying has been strong despite rising yields and strong dollar," said Lundin. "You see big money moving into the sector, and I think it's [due to] the general macro picture out there."

Investors are shifting allocations toward gold as a hedge against fiat currency risks, said Lundin. 

The Federal Reserve is expected to start cutting interest rates, which would be a major catalyst for this gold, but Lundin said big money has already pricing in that eventuality. He sees a fundamental shift with gold acting as a safe haven in an unstable global economy. Lundin believes gold could reach much higher levels, potentially mirroring the 5x to 8x price increases seen in previous bull markets.

One risk factor is the possibility that gold may have already priced in the expected Fed pivot. Lundin believes gold stocks are undervalued because investors both missed the dip while waiting for a correction and don't fully understand what's driving the rally. 

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.

Central bank buyers could be less sensitive to higher gold prices, said Aakash Doshi, NAM Head of Commodities Research at Citi. 

On Tuesday, Doshi spoke to Kitco Mining. 

Jewelry fabrication typically represents about 50% of the gold market, with the rest of the demand coming from investing, central banks and industrial uses. 

“Historically, the demand side of the ledger has been driven and led by jewelry demand. Consumption could be as high as 50% or 55% for gold jewelry,” said Doshi. “[That] started to shift over the last 10 to 15 years. It really started with the Great Financial Crisis. So, for four decades prior to the GFC and following the Nixon shock, central banks were net sellers of gold. They provided net supply to the market. After the GFC period, you saw central banks emerge as net buyers.”

Doshi said central banks have been buying more gold. central banks are now consuming over 1,000 tons per annum, said Doshi. 

“This is supply being taken out of the market. And from a mine production standpoint, that now represents [up to] 28% of annual mine production”

In the past, higher metal prices have led to jewelers curtailing demand. However, central banks may be less price sensitive. Doshi said the buying by the banks is more “strategic,” and the central banks could be “... among the most price inelastic buyers.” 

In a research note Doshi predicted that gold could reach $3,000 per ounce by 2025. Doshi attributes this potential surge to strong investor demand, particularly in physical gold, evidenced by a significant increase in bar and coin sales since the onset of the pandemic. He also notes record-level purchases by central banks, particularly those in emerging markets, as a contributing factor to this upward trend.

Despite a 20% increase in gold prices since February, Doshi emphasizes that it hasn't been driven by typical factors such as a weaker dollar or lower interest rates. He argues that the bullish outlook for gold is primarily due to the convergence of strong physical demand and the anticipation of financial macro factors catching up. Central bank purchases have not only set a higher price floor for gold but also stabilized its volatility.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the author and may not reflect those of Kitco Metals Inc. The author has made every effort to ensure accuracy of information provided; however, neither Kitco Metals Inc. nor the author can guarantee such accuracy. This article is strictly for informational purposes only. It is not a solicitation to make any exchange in commodities, securities or other financial instruments. Kitco Metals Inc. and the author of this podcast do not accept culpability for losses and/ or damages arising from the use of this publication.