Emily hosts author and leader Ashlee Eiland live at Fabled bookshop about her new book: Say Good - speaking across hot topics, complex relationships, and tense situations. Ashlee talks about discerning your own unique voice and how to use it by laying out a four part process. She explains it’s a lot like walking a tightrope. Ashlee is a wise and loving leader who is fascinated by people, words, leadership, faith and justice.

Brett & Emily host Baylor alumni, writer and spiritual director Claire McKeever Burgett for a conversation about her latest book, Blessed are The Women: Naming and Reclaiming Women’s Stories from the Gospels. Claire shares her journey from justice work into liturgy, poetry and finding her authentic voice and the power of believing women. Topics include: liturgy, patriarchy, women, faith, belief, song.

Oof. This week has been a doozy around the Mills family home. We lost our beloved Bear, a big mini Aussie, who saw us through so much life and heartache (you have probably even heard him on the podcast barking a time or two, saving us from mailmen). Bear had surgery after an obstruction from eating underwear (yep, anyone else have a dog who does this?) and could not recover. It was excruciating to witness Bear's suffering post op and eventually his death. Mornings have been hard and teary as my sidekick is gone. Our little Bruce (1 year) is left behind and has struggled to eat and find his own way without his big bother to lead. Everyone of us would say we have survived some sort of heartache, but how many of us are bold enough to name it trauma? I get it. The word “trauma” has become trivialized in some ways. We know more about it today, there’s more education than ever before on the topic of trauma and often when this happens we become desensitized to it. The truth is, there are all sorts of traumas, little “t” traumas (microagressions, moments of fear and panic, stitches in the knee) and big “T” traumas (fires, death, divorce, natural disasters, physcial, sexual, emotional, spiritual abuse). Funny thing is, sometimes our body doesn’t always know the difference if we’ve not acknowledged our heartache. This week, Cathy Loerzel of the Allender Center, guides us through the topic of her new book with Dr. Dan Allender, Redeeming Heartache, how past suffering reveals your true calling. This book explores the archetypes of Orphan, Stranger and Widow and their transformed roles of Priest, Prophet, and King/Queen.  Brett and I have gone through this book with our small group and it’s been a beautiful journey of sharing stories, insight, and witnessing one another’s pain but also potential.  For me, the journey of grieving my own myriad of unique traumas has provided a more integrated connection to my work at Jesus Said Love and Lovely - it’s also exposed my failures and shortcomings.  Cathy encourages us to look at our stories of heartache with faith, hope and love wrapped up in the kindness of God.  Want to get a FREE copy of the book? Share this post on instagram, tag @jesussaidlove as well as another friend, and you’ll be entered to win! Winners will be announced by Friday ¾ via instagram.  All the LOVE! Emily and Brett

Summer Shine, owner of Luna Juice Bar and founder of Sunshine Recovery Home in Waco sits down for a candid interview on life, addiction, recovery and restoration. SHOW NOTES: Perpetual Help Home  is a Christian based restorative justice organization assisting women in breaking the cycle of incarceration and homelessness through making life changes, regardless of race, color, or creed. Sunshine Recovery House is a long-term housing for women in the early stages of recovery from addiction Luna Juice Bar was founded by Summer Shine, and it was the first micro-loan that Lovely Enterprises funded. Summer’s business' mission to "Help People. Get Healthy." Song: Worth The Fight is a song written by Brett and Emily Mills. Find Summer on Instagram @lunajuicebar and @sunshinerecoveryhouse!

Who are we? What do we do? Why are we Here? Treasures is a unique, faith-based outreach and support group for women in the sex industry. The mission is to reach, restore, and equip women in the sex industry and victims of sex trafficking to live healthy, flourishing lives, and train others to do the same across the globe. Access is a holistic training program aimed at gaining access to power, influence and opportunity for individuals exiting the commercial sex industry.  Lovely Enterprises is the social enterprise of Jesus Said Love aimed at reducing recidivism into the sex trade through sustainable products, female empowerment programs, and micro-loans to survivors.  Heart of Texas Human Trafficking Coalition is a multi-disciplinary, collaborative effort to combat human trafficking in the Heart of Texas region.  Stop Demand School is an 8 hour intervention and diversion class for those individuals who have been arrested for prostitution. Upon completion of the course, participants receive a certificate of completion to submit to the their attorney or the court.  brett@jesussaidlove.com emily@jesussaidlove.com Insta: @lovewaco @bamills @jesussaidlove @lovelyenterprises

Hi, we're Brett and Emily. In 2004 we started an organization to reach those impacted by the commercial sex industry called Jesus Said Love. In this episode, we're talking about where it all began.

I think there are stories we hear and wonder, “How would I survive that?” Loosing a child, surviving a natural disaster, loosing everything to a fire, and of course - cancer. Brett & I go way back with Chris and Julie to old college days. You’ll even hear Chris reference a song he remembers me singing at our large group Bible Study. We didn’t know each other, but knew of each other. Our lanes in ministry intersected here and there like kids bumping elbows between classes at school. I kept up with them through Instagram and knew they had left their church position and headed to LA for a new start, then…like a freight train hitting a stalled car on the track, Julie was hit with stage four breast cancer. She has beat it now, twice. And in the midst of loosing their church family in Oklahoma they found themselves wading through the swamp of cancer searching for healing. What they found was a new understanding of family. A miracle in the wasteland.  Chris and Julie now host a podcast and are writing a book called “Finding Family”. I think you’re going to be inspired and also challenged to accept what feels totally unacceptable so that a new way of living emerges.  Cheers to all of us finding family in the most unexpected places.

This one was for the MAMA’S!!! I said it on the show and I’ll say it again: I feel like this was a book I both needed and one I could have written. My journey in motherhood was not necessarily untraditional, but it was uncommon. I both worked and stayed home, we danced to a nonconformist rhythm. As my children were born, I was also birthing the ministry of Jesus Said Love, leading worship around the country and the world, and writing/recording music with Brett. Hattie and Lucy (our older girls) were often on the road with us, sleeping in small college dorm rooms for summer camps, getting to know different nannies, and being nursed at truck stops and airports along the way. When Gus came along we didn’t travel as much but our ministry to women in the sex industry grew and our time leading worship locally became routine. Weeknight band rehearsals and home visits to women from the clubs, Friday night club outreaches and Sunday soundchecks for Brett and I at 7am meant all three kids were backstage in pj’s where a hearty breakfast of donuts, juice boxes and peppermints abounded. Along my road I would have several Southern women say, “I love that your calling is to ministry to women in the sex industry, mine is to be a mom.” My mouth would swallow the shame and my gut would regurgitate it as rage: My calling to women did not nullify my calling as a mom. Where did this asinine hogwash come from in the church? Motherhood and ministry are not antithetical, but rather a beautiful paradox that we live within. I do hope this conversation gives you beautiful freedom and a deep breath as a mom.  Cheers to rewilding motherhood!

Brett and Emily visit with Carlos regarding his amazing work in Puerto Rico. Visit The Happy Givers.

Season 4 is here and we’re headed in new directions! Join us for this intro episode and hear about the new places we hope to go. New for this season is the JSL Podcast subscription. Become a subscriber and get special perks and video versions of the podcast episodes! This first episode is available to all listeners…head to JesusSaidLovePodcast.com and subscribe today!

Dr. Holly Oxhandler is the Associate Dean for Research and Faculty Development and an Associate Professor at Baylor University’s Diana R. Garland School of Social Work. Holly studies religion/spirituality, health and mental health, and is especially interested in whether and how mental and behavioral health therapists discuss their client’s religious/spiritual beliefs in treatment. She developed and validated the Religious/Spiritually Integrated Practice Assessment Scale in addition to other instruments to measure the integration of clients’ religion/spirituality in mental health treatment, has written for numerous academic journals, and her research has been featured in the Washington Post, Consumer Affairs, Religion News Service, Business Standard, Baptist News Global, and more. She also co-hosts the weekly podcast, CXMH: Christianity & Mental Health. Holly lives in Waco, TX with her husband, Cory, and the couple has two children, Callie and Oliver. She loves to read, paint, meditate, learn about others’ stories over a cup of coffee, and most of all, spend time with her loved ones.

Today’s episode is very close to our hearts…it’s about jobs. Jobs that matter. Jobs that bring life and purpose. However, if funding doesn’t come in, these jobs are at risk for being cut. Join us for a real candid discussion about the importance of survivor jobs at Jesus Said Love. Donate Today

As a pastor, life coach, author and CEO, Karrie Garcia inspires change in others by boldly sharing her journey to freedom. With more than 10,000 hours of experience under her belt, Karrie has been speaking formally since the age of 19. Her audiences range from church small groups to crowds of thousands. People are drawn to Karrie by her charisma, humor, and ability to share God’s word in ways that reach everyone from the non-believer to the Bible scholar. However, it’s Karrie’s authentic, raw, and fearless approach to addressing challenging, and sometimes uncomfortable, topics that truly makes those who hear from her feel known, loved, and accepted. She is not afraid to wade through deep waters and wants to bring those who are hurting along, so they too can experience the freedom that leads to flourishing. Find Karrie Here

Brett & Emily visit with Dr. Reyes and discuss all things multiculturalism and its impacts on the church. Visit here for more info on Michelle Reyes

Ashley is a speaker and writer, whose work and life has been featured in various magazines and digital outlets, including Darling, OprahMag.com, Relevant, and Grit and Virtue. She is the author of Rise of the Truth Teller: Own Your Story, Tell it Like it is, and Live with Holy Gumption, and the forthcoming Love is the Resistance: Learn to Disagree, Resolve the Conflicts You’ve Been Avoiding and Create Real Change. Her YouVersion devotional, Finding God in the Hard Places, has been completed by over 250,000 people. Ashley is the co-host, alongside Tiffany Bluhm, of the hilarious and helpful podcast — Why Tho.

Brett & Emily discuss their value of authentic kindness and the ways this gentler approach to faith has led them into loving others well.

Brett & Emily dive into a very vulnerable and personal talk on their own walk through grief and transition in 2021.

Brett & Emily have a candid conversation with Laila Mickelwait, founder of Justice Defense Fund and the global movement #TraffickingHub, which aims to hold Pornhub accountable for enabling and profiting from the sex trafficking and criminal sex exploitation of countless victims. TRIGGER WARNING: This episode covers the world of Pornhub in candid conversation.

On June 29, 2021, our dear friend Angela finished her time here on Earth. She was both an ACCESS graduate and fierce supporter of the work of JSL. One of her final wishes was to share her story in hopes that it might help others battling addiction and exploitation. We aired this interview back in season 1, but wanted to replay it in it's entirety. The first half is Angela on the way to rehab. The second half is her heading home from rehab.

Brett & Emily visit with Rondell Trevino, founder of The Immigration Coalition. They discuss current issues surrounding immigration and the border crisis as well as TIC work in bringing clean water to people along the border.

Dawn Wible, founder of Talk More Tech Less, joins the podcast to talk about the issues around digital wellness. talkmoretechless.com

Dr. Soo Battle is a board-certified, licensed pediatrician who works part-time in a pediatric practice in Waco, Texas. Raised in Austin, Texas, she graduated from Westlake High School and then The University of Texas at Austin with a Bachelor’s degree in the Plan II Liberal Arts Honors Program. She earned her Medical Doctorate from The University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston in 2000. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics and a member of the Texas Pediatric Society and the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children. Dr. Battle is Board Certified by the American Board of Pediatrics. A recognized and well-respected child advocate in Central Texas, Dr. Battle has made it her mission to educate children and parents about the issue of child sexual abuse. Her to-the-point, humorous, and age-appropriate way of engaging children of all ages has made her a sought-after speaker in Central Texas. Because of her popular classes, she is affectionately known around town as “Dr. Soo” or “the private parts doctor” to local attendees of her sessions. As a mother of two and as a medical professional, she has the unique benefit of knowing how to interact with both children and parents in a nonthreatening, warm, and caring manner while offering her medical and professional expertise at the same time. CAMP CAREFUL INFO

Becca Stevens, founder of Thistle Farms in Nashville, TN, sits down with Brett & Emily for a very personal conversation on the power of love.

Brett & Emily visit with faith and culture writer, Jonathan Merritt, and discuss his new book, Learning to Speak God from Scratch. More about Jonathan can be found here.

Brett & Emily visit with faith and culture writer, Jonathan Merritt, and discuss his new book, Learning to Speak God from Scratch. More about Jonathan can be found here. Jonathan's website

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Emily shares an inventory of questions she keeps beside to help her get more curious about her life that help her connect with her feelings and live more authentically into her values.

Christy is an author, teacher and psychotherapist. A mother of 4, fierce dreamer and passionate about advocating for women. Christy received her Bachelors degree in Communication at Texas A&M in 2002 and then her Masters in Counseling at Reformed Theological Seminary in 2007. She published the book Unearth in 2008, and A Brave Lament in 2018. She is certified in Medical Family Therapy and Trauma and Abuse. She earned her doctorate at Seattle Pacific University and is researching Shame and Sexuality in Women.

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I’m an East Indian born, PNW dwelling, author, speaker, podcaster, and adoptive parent who is passionate about truth, justice, and the restoration of marginalized people groups. After college, I served three years in the U.K. with at-risk youth. Upon returning home, I served as an Outreach Pastor at an urban mega church where I engaged parishioners with marginalized individuals such as those experiencing homelessness, those who were incarcerated, the AIDS community, and women. In that time, I created Esteem, an outreach program to women in the sex industry and assisted in the development of, and spoke at, John School alongside the FBI Innocence Lost Task Force, local police, and Crime Stoppers which addressed men who bought women. After seven years of church ministry, I left to pursue writing full-time and started Sip and Savor, a women’s ministry in the Seattle area centered around fine food and wine. Sip serves over 500 women a year. My husband Derek and I, along with our two sons, Jericho and Kingston, live in Tacoma, WA. I teach women’s Bible study, Sip, co-host Why Tho podcast, and travel to speakat churches, businesses, and organizations who host conferences and events. I blog here at TiffanyBluhm.com, and have been featured on The Bible App, Charisma Magazine, ScaryMommy.com, Deeply Rooted Magazine, MyCrazyAdoption.org, WomenInMinistry.ag.org, TODAY Parents, Home Business Magazine, Thrive Global, and South Sound Magazine. My unconventional ministry outreaches have been featured in World Vision Magazine, Pentecostal Evangel, and StoryTeam.org. My first book and Bible study Never Alone released February of 2018. My book and Bible study are available for purchase on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target and other retailers. Click here for all the details and links to preferred retailers.  My second book and Bible study She Dreams released Feb of 2019. She Dreams is available for purchase on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Christianbook.com, and Cokesbury. Click here for more information and to order your copy of the book and study. TV Interviews: Home and Family on the Hallmark Channel and the 4 PM Showon King 5 News Podcast Interviews: The Things She Does, Radiant Podcast, Devoted Dreamers, Dream On, Journeywomen, Rising Stories, Nestled, Entremoms, Reading With Your Kids, Be Audacious, MOMentum, Work From Your Happy Place, The Open Door Sisterhood, Iridescent Podcast, Coffee with Andi, The 5 Minute Mom, Your Life Rocks Podcast, The Shameless Mom Academy, and The Almost Indian Family. Radio Interviews:The Jenny McCarthy Show, Bott Radio Network KSIV 1320, KOPN 89.5, Blog Talk Radio, Moody Radio, WTKF Coastal Daybreak, KSBJ Sunday Night Live Radio, The Hub, CRU’s Making Your Life Count, Igniting A Nation, WMPC Off the Bookshelf, Bible News Radio, KOPN Penguin Tracks, WKTO The Noon Show, and WDJC Rox and Friends

Here are resources mentioned during the podcast: https://www.instagram.com/abigaileernisse/ https://rights4girls.org/ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nefarious+exdous+cry https://www.ted.com/speakers/kimberle_crenshaw https://www.americanjourneys.org/pdf/AJ-067.pdf https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4647&context=etd

Dr. Kerry Burkley became the 8th pastor of the Greater Ebenezer Baptist Church of Waco in 2005. He has served as associate pastor at South Union Missionary Baptist of Marlin, Seventh and James (Waco), and as Youth Pastor of Antioch Missionary Baptist (Waco). Pastor Burkley is the director of the Ministers In Training and Academy for Lay Ministry Certificate Programs of Greater Ebenezer. These programs teach curriculum to equip, train and educate men and women who are called to the preaching ministry and lay ministry. The purpose is to provide holistic ministry training, personal development in the African-American church through dialogue and vigorous study that couples academic excellence with a high degree of social consciousness that reaches outside the walls of the church and into the often neglected community. Dr. Burkley is the Program Director of the Children's Advocacy Center of the Advocacy Center for Crime Victims and Children. For the past 14 years, he has been involved with a collaboration of Law Enforcement, District Attorneys, Children's Protection Services, and the Medical community concerning the investigation of serious child sexual and physical abuse in four counties. He is a trained Forensic Interviewer and member of the Children's Advocacy Center's of Texas Professional Society of Forensic Interviewers where he is on the front end of child abuse investigations. Dr. Burkley holds the Doctor of Ministry and the Master of Divinity degrees from Truett Seminary. Dr. Burkley enjoys cooking, specifically grilling, and spending time with his wife Doyce who is a student at Truett Seminary and his three children.

Rebecca Bender is the CEO of the Rebecca Bender Initiative and founder of Elevate Academy, the largest online school for survivors of human trafficking in the world. She is an award-winning thought leader, advocate, and consultant who equips individuals and organizations to identify and fight human trafficking in their own back yards. Rebecca has been recognized by the FBI and received multiple awards for her leadership and advocacy in the field. She testified in front of the legislature to change Oregon SB673, and regularly testifies as an expert witness in court proceedings around the nation. Rebecca has trained well over 100,000 professionals, including FBI, Homeland Security, local law enforcement, vice units and medical personnel. In 2017, Rebecca was selected as one of twenty-one representative members on the National Advisory Committee on Sex Trafficking of Children and Youth in the United States. The Committee advises the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Attorney General on practical and general policies concerning improvements to the nation’s response to the sex trafficking of children and youth in the United States. She also served on the Department of Justice task force, the core committee to the Equality Model, the board of Exodus Cry and consults for many of our nation’s leading nonprofits.  For nearly six years, Rebecca was trapped in the dark, violent world of sex trafficking. When she escaped her trafficker, she knew she wanted to fight to change culture and offer hope to survivors, so she launched Elevate Academy. In 368 locations and 10 countries, Elevate Academy provides nearly 800 survivors with professional development, mentoring, specialized curriculum, and the tools they need to thrive. A college graduate with a Master’s degree in religious studies, Rebecca works on the front lines as a sought-after speaker, social influencer, consultant, and podcaster. Her memoir, “In Pursuit of Love” was published by Zondervan in January 2020. She currently lives in the beautiful Pacific Northwest with her husband and four daughters, plus some chickens, dogs and bees.

Heather Stringer is a therapist, artist, and ritual maker. She is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in Seattle, WA. She completed her M.A. in Counseling Psychology at The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology and the Externship Program at The Allender Center. She received a BFA in painting from Columbia College. She believes that when we are intentional about engaging our bodies, memories, and communities (both spiritual and earthly), a softening and opening for healing and change are possible. We are meant to be witnessed, both in our memories and our bodies in order to reshape how we love ourselves and those around us. Heather’s work in any arena — art, therapy, or ritual making — involves intuitive listening, prayer, and curating mutual creativity. She is married to Jay Stringer, a fellow therapist and writer, and they have two wonderful babes, Amos Muir and Iona Kennedy. You can find her professional work at https://lifeinritual.com

Brett asks Emily to dig a little deeper into the value of curiosity and how to interact with curious people.

On week two of Advent, Brett & Emily visit with Scott The Painter to discuss his new book, Honest Advent. Scott Erickson is a touring painter, performance speaker, and creative curate who mixes autobiography, mythology, and aesthetics to create art and moments that speak to our deepest experiences. Using his passion and commitment to craft, Scott has been a working artist for over a decade, and has had his work appear on CNN, National Geographic, and various magazines, newspaper outlets, and book covers. As a speaker, Scott brings his training as an educator and his experience as a visual communicator to all of his presentations. His goal is to bring something for his “A.D.D. brothers and sisters out there”… making sure every speech is thoughtful, entertaining, wondrous, and filled with visual elements and live creating. He is the writer and performer of two one man shows. Wrestling with his own professional burnout and clinical depression, “We Are Not Troubled Guests” is a performance story-telling piece in which he navigates the surprising gift of an existential crisis. His current show, “SAY YES: A Liturgy of Not Giving Up On Yourself”, juxtaposes story-teaching, participation, humor, and image curation as Scott walks us through the very personal and universal conversation about the death of a dream and the overwhelming voice of Giving Up in our lives. He is the co-author of Prayer: Forty Days of Practice and May It Be So, the author of Honest Advent, a Spiritual Director to brave women and men, and a professional dishwasher for his food blogging wife. Scott lives in Austin, TX and is most loved by his wife Holly and his children Anders, Elsa, and Jones. Find Scott on Instagram @scottthepainer

Brett & Emily begin a new series called ADVENT. Today, they sit down with Waco pastor, Josh Carney, and talk about the first week of Advent, Hope. Josh and his family pastor University Baptist Church in Waco and has a unique way in helping us understand the Advent season. Find Josh and his sermons at UBC Waco.

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Jay Stringer guides men and women to freedom from sexual brokenness so they can pursue the life they desire. Jay is a licensed mental health counselor, ordained minister, and internationally requested speaker on the subject of unwanted sexual behavior (i.e., extra-marital affairs, the use of pornography, buying sex, and others). Based in New York City, Jay spent the last decade on the frontlines of demand for sexual exploitation and pornography. His clinical work guides men and women to understand the origins of their sexual brokenness, what sustains it, and what the journey to wholeness will require. Jay’s award-winning first book, Unwanted: How Sexual Brokenness Reveals Our Way to Healing is based on a multiyear research project into the stories of 3,800 men and women. Unwanted explores the key drivers drivers of unwanted sexual behavior, why people stay in self-destructive patterns, and how to disempower shame. His research is one of the most comprehensive studies on the subject and Unwanted is being used by counselors, churches, and small groups throughout the world. Jay Stringer also collaborated with the Heart of Man film team to design a 5-month online journey for individuals, accountability partners, and small groups who desire freedom from unwanted sexual behavior. To learn more and check-out a free episode visit: The Journey Course. To book Jay for a conference, podcast or for an individual coaching intensive please email Jay and his executive assistant Ashley at jay@heartofmanjourney.com and ashley@heartofmanjourney.com Jay holds an MDiv and master in counseling psychology from the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology and received post-graduate training under Dr. Dan Allender while serving as a Senior Fellow at the Allender Center.

Dr. Dan Allender is a pioneer of a unique and innovative approach to trauma and abuse therapy. For over 30 years, the Allender Theory has brought healing and transformation to hundreds of thousands of lives by bridging the story of the gospel and the stories of trauma and abuse that mark so many. After receiving his Master of Divinity from Westminster Theological Seminary, Dan earned his Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Michigan State University. Dan previously served on faculty at the Biblical Counseling Department of Grace Theological Seminary (1983-1989) and Colorado Christian University (1989-1997). In 1997, Dan and a cadre of others founded The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology, in order to train therapists, pastors, artists, and leaders to more effectively serve in the context of the 21st century. Dan served as President of The Seattle School from 2002-2009. In 2011, The Allender Center was founded by Dr. Dan Allender and Rebecca Allender, MA, alongside Cathy Loerzel, MA, with the support of The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology to cultivate healing and train leaders and mental health professionals to courageously engage others’ stories of harm. Dan continues to serve as Professor of Counseling Psychology at The Seattle School. He travels and speaks extensively—recent engagements include ICAP Global, Serge, Jubilee, and the Higher Ground Men’s Conference—to present his unique perspective on sexual abuse recovery, love and forgiveness, intimacy and marriage, and other related topics. Dan is the author of The Wounded Heart, The Healing Path, To Be Told, and God Loves Sex, and he has co-authored several books with Dr. Tremper Longman, including Intimate Allies, The Cry of the Soul, Bold Love, and Bold Purpose. Dan also co-hosts The Allender Center’s weekly podcast with Rachael Clinton Chen, which has had more than 2 million downloads. Dan and his wife Becky live on Bainbridge Island, where they enjoy time with their grandchildren and their three adult children, Annie, Amanda, and Andrew.

Brett & Emily breakdown their value of audacious curiosity and discuss how curiosity has led them to deeper love and richer faith.