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When Cyber Stops the Line, Safety Is on the Line23 Sep 202600:31:43

Safety starts with a goal. So should cybersecurity.

Craig Duckworth sits down with Shankar Somasundaram, CEO of Asimily and former head of Symantec's IoT business, to explain why plant floor cybersecurity is a safety issue, not an IT expense. They cover why industrial cybersecurity programs stall after the tool is purchased, how to start with a goal instead of a solution, and why fixing the biggest risks first beats trying to secure everything at once.

The conversation also covers network segmentation mistakes, AI as both a helper and a new threat to critical infrastructure, protecting legacy OT and IoT equipment without disrupting production, watching traffic inside the plant, what drives cybersecurity maturity, and what OT security market consolidation means for manufacturers.

Shankar's three takeaways for your next budget cycle:

  1. Cyber risk is safety risk
  2. Start with the goal
  3. Visibility and fixing the problem are one program, not two

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Cybersecurity is patient safety, operational safety, plant safety
  • (00:00:45) Meet Shankar and the four pillars behind Asimily
  • (00:03:50) Why OT security projects stall after the tool is purchased
  • (00:06:20) Start with a goal, not a solution
  • (00:09:20) Exposure management and the segmentation myths that slow teams down
  • (00:11:45) AI as enabler and attacker inside critical infrastructure
  • (00:15:40) Collecting data on legacy OT and IoT without disrupting operations
  • (00:18:20) North south, east west, and the flow data most teams skip
  • (00:20:00) Does maturity come from size, budget, or management
  • (00:24:20) Consolidation in the OT market and the advice Shankar leaves behind

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Why Industrial Cyber Risk Is Escalating (And How To Stop It)16 Sep 202600:20:31

This highlight episode pulls the sharpest moments from past conversations into one continuous argument about why industrial cyber risk keeps escalating and why so many programs stall before they start.

Craig Duckworth and Dino Busalachi open with a number that should stop any executive team cold: one manufacturer lost roughly $500 million in valuation inside 60 hours, and that loss had nothing to do with lost production.

From there the conversation gets practical. They explain why a plant floor security program cannot be run entirely from the data center, why asset inventory and communication flow mapping must come before any discussion of segmentation, and what distinguishes warranted traffic from unwarranted traffic within a control system environment.

Jim Cook joins to break down the difference between a flat network and what the team calls a super flat network, where drives, flow meters, robots, and business systems all share the same space. Together, they make the case that zero trust in operational technology must be built from the bottom of the stack upward, using what they describe as the bucket approach, rather than layered over the plant with enterprise tooling that nobody on site knows how to operate.

The episode closes on ownership: who is accountable, who the plant manager actually trusts, and why the people who design and build the machines belong in the room from day one. If you are responsible for production uptime and for protecting the assets that create it, this one is a fast tour of the decisions that matter most.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) A $500 Million Valuation Loss In 60 Hours
  • (00:01:00) Why Industrial Cyber Risk Is More Urgent Right Now
  • (00:03:00) Why IT Cannot Secure The Plant Floor Alone
  • (00:05:00) Asset Inventory And Communication Flows Come First
  • (00:07:00) Building A Defensible Architecture In OT Environments
  • (00:09:00) Flat Networks Versus Super Flat Networks
  • (00:11:00) The Bucket Approach To Segmentation
  • (00:14:00) Vetting A Cybersecurity Partner The Right Way
  • (00:16:00) Tabletop Exercises With The Executive Team
  • (00:19:00) Who Actually Owns Industrial Cybersecurity

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The “Don’t Touch It” Problem Hiding on Your Plant Floor09 Sep 202600:33:39

Most plants are running production on infrastructure nobody wants to touch. Somebody installed it years ago, that person is long gone, and the standing rule is to leave it alone so it keeps working.

In this episode, Dino sits down with Jeff Slapp, cofounder, CTO and head of produduct development at SteelDome, to talk about what it would take to change that.

Jeff has spent almost 30 years building and running data centers, starting with VMware back in 1998, and he admits that until recently he couldn't have properly defined OT, even though control systems, safety systems, and fire suppression were around him the entire time.

They dig into why so many manufacturers still have hundreds of standalone HMIs, why a capital project is the real moment to think about security, and why IT/OT convergence rarely shows up in practice the way everyone talks about it. Jeff also walks through what it means to stand up a full production platform, complete with secure remote access, in about 90 seconds instead of nine months.

They close on the reality that this is a people problem more than a technology problem, and why AI on the plant floor will only be as good as the foundation it runs on.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) If technology is not saving time, money, or mistakes, what is the point?
  • (00:01:12) Jeff Slapp's 30-year journey from early VMware to co-founding SteelDome
  • (00:04:35) What a universal infrastructure operating system means for the plant
  • (00:06:24) An IT veteran admits OT was around him the whole time, and he never saw it
  • (00:10:03) Legacy plants, standalone HMIs, and the "nobody touches it" problem
  • (00:13:22) Kasm and secure application delivery: the missing third layer
  • (00:18:04) Time to value: a full production platform in 90 seconds, not nine months
  • (00:21:56) Democratizing infrastructure and where AI meets industrial security
  • (00:25:14) Secure by design: build cybersecurity into the capital project
  • (00:28:38) Asset inventory gaps, the IT/OT convergence myth, and closing thoughts

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The Blind Spot Between IT and OT Isn't Where or What You Think01 Sep 202600:35:11

Manufacturing cybersecurity can't succeed when IT acts as the enforcer and OT sees security as an obstacle to production.

CyberHoot founder Craig Taylor joins Dino Busalachi to explain why punishment-based awareness programs create resistance, how positive reinforcement can turn employees into an active layer of defense, and why cyber preparedness belongs beside safety, quality, uptime, and availability as a core plant metric.

They discuss the overlooked role of system integrators and machine builders, the danger of unmanaged laptops and remote access, the false comfort ofair-gappedd systems, and the growing risk that AI poses to aging industrial technology.

Craig also shares a simple framework called PAR, which means pause, assess, and report, and makes the case for short, practical training that rewards people for speaking up before a mistake becomes a shutdown.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why IT should empower OT
  • (00:05:18) Connecting cyber awareness to plant uptime
  • (00:10:04) The missing role of system integrators
  • (00:15:07) Building a culture that rewards reporting
  • (00:20:01) Legacy equipment, limited resources, and better incentives
  • (00:24:06) Vulnerable plants and the air gap myth
  • (00:29:07) Treating cybersecurity like plant safety
  • (00:34:00) The personal value of cyber literacy

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Why Detection Alone Can't Stop the Next OT Attack26 Aug 202600:32:19

Detection got fast, but remediation didn't. And that gap is exactly where attackers live.

Manufacturers have spent the last decade building visibility into their plants: sensors, dashboards, alerts flying into every SOC. But knowing about a threat and fixing it are two different problems, and most industrial teams are still solving the second one at human speed. A ticket gets opened. A maintenance window gets scheduled. Three departments get looped in. Meanwhile, the attacker isn't waiting for anyone's approval.

In this episode, Craig Duckworth talks with Tal Kollender, founder and CEO of Remedio, about what's actually keeping industrial environments exposed: misconfigurations left untouched for months, unnecessary services quietly giving attackers a path to move laterally, and aging systems nobody wants to be the one to touch. Tal makes the case that patching alone will never close this gap and explains why safe automated remediation is becoming essential as AI accelerates attacks faster than most security teams can keep up.

They also dig into the reality of OT: uptime and safety come first, IT security tools often can't reach the controls layer, and the wrong change can cause real damage on the plant floor. It's a candid look at what it takes to align security and operations, and why building that trust is the real first step toward proactive protection instead of reactive cleanup.

If you're responsible for securing a plant floor, a fleet of facilities, or the budget behind either one, this conversation gives you a clear, practical way to think about closing the gap between seeing a threat and actually stopping one.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why machine speed detection needs machine speed remediation
  • (00:01:00) Tal’s path from teenage hacker to cybersecurity founder
  • (00:06:00) Misconfigurations and lateral movement in industrial environments
  • (00:11:00) Why patching and configuration changes are difficult in OT
  • (00:15:00) Moving from reactive detection to proactive hardening
  • (00:17:00) Aligning people, process, and technology
  • (00:22:00) AI adoption, unmanaged risk, and doing more with less
  • (00:25:00) Bridging the IT and OT divide without disrupting operations
  • (00:29:00) The first practical step toward proactive industrial security

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From NSA Threat Intelligence to Factory-Floor Cybersecurity18 Aug 202600:32:45

Cybersecurity in an industrial environment isn't just an IT concern. It's a question of whether the business can keep operating, and whether people stay safe when systems fail.

Craig Duckworth talks with Tim Hoffman, a former NSA director of threat intelligence whose career spans military intelligence, defense, healthcare, finance, critical infrastructure, and industrial operations.

They discuss why CMMC needs to be treated as a cultural shift rather than a compliance exercise, how CISOs earn trust with plant teams, and why leaders have to translate cyber risk into terms the board actually understands.

Tim explains why tools alone can't protect OT. Craig ties digital safety back to the drills and routines plants already run. And together they look at where AI helps, where it adds risk, and why two fundamentals still matter most: clear processes and the discipline to practice them.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why Security Tools Cannot Solve Operational Risk
  • (00:01:00) Lessons from an NSA and Mission Critical Security Career
  • (00:05:00) Why CMMC Must Be More Than a Compliance Checklist
  • (00:08:00) Closing the Authority Gap Between IT and OT
  • (00:12:00) Translating Cyber Risk Into Cost and Human Consequences
  • (00:17:00) Why OT Security Demands More Than IT Tools
  • (00:19:00) AI, Faster Attacks, and the Need for Human Judgment
  • (00:25:00) Start With Process and Build the Discipline to Follow It
  • (00:27:00) Treating Cyber Response Like a Plant Safety Drill
  • (00:31:00) People and Process Come Before Technology

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Your Most Critical Network May Be Your Least Protected11 Aug 202600:33:22

The air gap you're counting on probably isn't there. Dino Busalacchi sits down with cybersecurity veteran and Tulane University Cybersecurity Professor Joshua Copeland, to talk about the realities of protecting industrial environments, where uptime, safety, and production come first.

They dig into why legacy systems can't be secured like IT, how routine security tasks can disrupt physical operations, the leadership gap between IT and OT, and why cybersecurity needs to be treated as digital safety. A practical listen for CISOs, CIOs, engineering leaders, and plant operators.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why operational technology is critical to everyday life
  • (00:03:00) Legacy systems and the hidden opportunity in OT security
  • (00:07:00) Ransomware, AI, and attacks designed for physical outcomes
  • (00:10:00) How standard IT security tools can stop production
  • (00:13:00) What cybersecurity events get wrong about OT
  • (00:16:00) The leadership gap and the myth of isolated systems
  • (00:20:00) Why cybersecurity should be treated as digital safety
  • (00:23:00) Compliance, asset inventory, and aging industrial equipment
  • (00:27:00) Building the next generation of OT security professionals
  • (00:31:00) Why every part of modern life depends on OT

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Supply Chain Risk: Your Vendors Have Vendors You've Never Heard Of04 Aug 202600:34:21

Craig Duckworth sits down with Jowanza Joseph, CEO of Parakeet Risk, to unpack why third-party risk has become one of the most urgent challenges facing manufacturers and critical infrastructure operators.

Jowanza spent 15 years in engineering roles at Adobe, Pluralsight, and MasterCard before founding Parakeet Risk to serve an industrial sector he saw as the most underserved when it comes to technology.

Together they address why simply knowing who your vendors are is harder than it sounds, how insurers are moving past checkbox questionnaires and demanding real evidence of controls, and what happens when contracts require you to identify a new asset in your OT environment within five minutes.

They also get honest about the organizational problem few want to own: security leaders who carry responsibility for the plant floor without the authority to change anything on it. Jowanza closes with a practical, low-cost starting point for any organization and a look at where vendor attestation is headed over the next five years.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why industrial companies must become cybersecurity companies
  • (00:02:08) Cataloging and prioritizing your most dangerous vendors
  • (00:04:37) The hidden layers of subcontractors in your supply chain
  • (00:06:42) Cyber insurance moves past the checkbox era
  • (00:10:47) Contracts that demand new asset identification in five minutes
  • (00:12:58) AI is multiplying vulnerabilities faster than solutions
  • (00:16:31) Three hallmarks of a strong third party risk program
  • (00:21:14) Incident response, game days, and who falls on the sword
  • (00:23:42) Responsibility without authority across the IT and OT divide
  • (00:28:31) Where to start today and the future of vendor attestation

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Supply Chain Risk: What Manufacturers Need to Know28 Jul 202600:22:18

Two global dairy producers made headlines this week after breaches that started with third party vendors.

Dino and Craig break down how it happened and why it keeps happening. They walk through the reality of remote access on the plant floor, from cellular modems to TeamViewer installs nobody remembers approving, and explain why a single sensor in a plant might show you 25 percent of your assets at best.

The conversation gets to the root of the problem: people, not technology.

OT teams still lock IT out of critical systems, CISOs carry responsibility without authority, and incident response plans rarely account for the integrators working across multiple plants at any given moment.

If you lead security for a manufacturing organization, this episode arms you with the tough questions to bring back to leadership before your company is the one filing with the SEC.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - The CISO gets hung out to dry, not the third-party vendor
  • (00:01:02) - Two global dairy producers breached through third-party vendors
  • (00:02:12) - The messy reality of remote access on the plant floor
  • (00:03:47) - Why IT has no visibility into what's connected in manufacturing
  • (00:05:29) - North-south versus east-west traffic monitoring
  • (00:06:41) - The culture problem of OT locking IT out
  • (00:08:14) - Responsibility versus authority for CISOs
  • (00:10:47) - The budget excuse and the real cost of downtime
  • (00:14:32) - Incident response plans that leave system integrators out
  • (00:18:56) - SEC filings, brand damage, and the tough questions to ask

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Plant Floor Cybersecurity Starts at the Top. Not the Server Room, with Robert Maxwell22 Jul 202600:30:16

For industrial leaders responsible for keeping plants productive, connected, and secure, cybersecurity cannot sit only with IT.

Robert Maxwell joins Dino to address the leadership and operational gaps that leave OT environments exposed, especially when aging control systems, diverse automation platforms, and decentralized plant operations are part of the picture.

They discuss what it takes to move beyond fragmented ownership and point solutions: giving an accountable leader the authority to coordinate security across IT, OT, engineering, operations, and outside partners.

The conversation covers practical priorities for building a durable cyber program, including organization-wide awareness, stronger visibility into industrial assets, and a security strategy that can keep pace with AI adoption.

The takeaway is clear: cybersecurity is an operational investment that protects uptime, production, and long-term business resilience.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Cybersecurity is a management responsibility
  • (00:01:00) Robert Maxwell’s journey into cybersecurity
  • (00:04:35) Why organizations need a clear cybersecurity owner
  • (00:08:40) Building a long-term security strategy across the business
  • (00:12:00) What happens when companies ignore cybersecurity
  • (00:14:10) Why vendor-led security programs fall short
  • (00:17:05) The IT and OT divide in manufacturing
  • (00:20:00) AI, data protection, and the growing security challenge
  • (00:23:25) Visibility gaps across manufacturing plants
  • (00:26:20) Why leaders should view cybersecurity as an investment

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Trust But Verify: Why Every Air-Gap Claim Deserves Scrutiny14 Jul 202600:30:19

This week we're bringing back one of our most requested episodes, because the problem it covers hasn't gone away.

Dino and Jim break down one of the most dangerous assumptions in industrial security: that OT environments are air-gapped and therefore safe.

Through real examples from actual plant floors, they show exactly how that assumption falls apart, from cellular modems inside machine centers to third-party technicians on guest Wi-Fi to VPN concentrators IT doesn't know exist, and explain why the gap between IT and OT teams is just as much an organizational problem as a technical one.

They also get into why point-in-time assessments aren't enough, where zero trust runs into its limits in industrial settings, and what continuous visibility on the plant floor actually looks like. If you're responsible for securing manufacturing or critical infrastructure, this one is as relevant today as when it was first recorded.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - The Air Gap Myth: Introduction
  • (00:03:00) - How OT Devices End Up Connected Without IT Knowing
  • (00:07:00) - Why Plant Managers Bypass IT Security
  • (00:12:00) - The Compliance and Insurance Stakes
  • (00:15:00) - Why Zero Trust Struggles in OT Environments
  • (00:17:00) - Bringing in Outside Experts to Find the Truth
  • (00:20:00) - Supply Chain and Hidden Connectivity
  • (00:24:00) - What Visibility Tools Reveal on the Plant Floor
  • (00:26:00) - Wrap-Up: Trust But Verify, Then Monitor Continuously

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The Real Cost of Delaying OT Cybersecurity Investment07 Jul 202600:35:48

Craig and Jim revisit one of their most practical conversations: how to build a compelling business case for OT cybersecurity budget.

They break down the IT/OT ownership gap that leaves manufacturers exposed, explain how to frame liability, physical risk, and financial impact in language executives actually care about, and walk through the options every organization faces.

From doing nothing to running a proof-of-concept pilot site that generates real, quantifiable data. They also tackle the role of cybersecurity insurance, why every company needs OT on its risk register, and how the concept of technology debt can finally help leadership understand the cost of decades of deferred OT security investment.

Whether you're approaching this from the IT side, the OT side, or somewhere in between, this episode gives you the framework to start the budget conversation before a breach forces it.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Introduction: The High Stakes of OT Cybersecurity
  • (00:01:00) - Why Budgeting for OT Security Is So Difficult
  • (00:04:00) - How to Get Executives to Actually Listen
  • (00:06:00) - Liability: Speaking the Language of Leadership
  • (00:11:00) - Building Your OT Cybersecurity Business Case
  • (00:13:00) - Ownership and Visibility: The First Questions to Ask
  • (00:17:00) - Proof of Concept: Using Real Data to Drive Decisions
  • (00:20:00) - Cybersecurity Insurance and the Third Leg of the Stool
  • (00:26:00) - Risk Management, Roadmaps, and Playing the Long Game
  • (00:31:00) - Technology Debt and Final Takeaways

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Your Organization Says It's 'Green' on Manufacturing Security: Here's Why That's Dangerous30 Jun 202600:22:37

Who actually owns OT cybersecurity? And when something breaks, who's accountable?

In this episode, Craig and Dino tackle a question most manufacturing organizations still haven't answered.

They address why CISOs are often handed responsibility for OT security without the authority to act on it, and how plants can score "green" on a compliance dashboard while remaining blind to 80% of their actual assets.

They also dig into the role OEMs and system integrators should be playing in building security into project proposals from day one, and why most still aren't.

From virtual patching for legacy systems that can't be touched, to the fast-growing OT security market, this is a grounded conversation for plant leaders, engineers, and security teams trying to close the gap between IT and OT.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Who Really Owns OT Cybersecurity?
  • (00:02:00) - Asset Owners Bear the Ultimate Responsibility
  • (00:04:00) - Responsibility Without Authority: The CISO's Dilemma
  • (00:06:00) - Why OEMs and SIs Aren't Including Cybersecurity in Their Proposals
  • (00:08:00) - The False Sense of Security Driving Dangerous Blind Spots
  • (00:10:00) - How Organizations Claim "Green" While Missing 80% of Their Assets
  • (00:13:00) - Half Measures vs. a Real OT Cybersecurity Strategy
  • (00:16:00) - The Growing OT Security Market and Why Some Still Aren't Paying Attention
  • (00:18:00) - Incident Response Drills and AI Accelerating the Threat Landscape
  • (00:20:00) - Breaking Down the IT/OT Trust Barrier for Good

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It's Control System Integrity not just OT Cybersecurity24 Jun 202600:18:00

Many manufacturers don't realize that an investment in OT Cybersecurity also enhances Control System Integrity.

In this rewind episode, Craig and Dino dig into why so many OT intrusion detection platforms get installed but never become truly operational.

They address what gets lost when IT owns the tool while OT owns the equipment, and why the word “cybersecurity” itself can stall progress the moment it lands on the plant floor.

They land on a question every CISO, plant leader, and engineering director should be asking right now: who at your sites actually knows how to use the tools you have already paid for, and how do you bring the OT ecosystem into the room before the next outage forces you to?

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Cold Open: The Diagnostic Tool Sitting Unused in Your Plant
  • (00:01:00) Shadow OT Versus Shadow IT and Why the Distinction Matters
  • (00:02:30) Why IT Gets Left Out of Industrial Lifecycle Decisions
  • (00:04:00) Reframing Cybersecurity as Control System Integrity
  • (00:05:00) The 8:10 AM Production Shutdown Mystery
  • (00:07:00) Three Rogue Servers Hiding in Plain Sight
  • (00:08:00) A Brewery, a Misconfigured Module, and a Network No One Could Diagnose
  • (00:10:00) Buying an MRI Machine and Refusing to Turn It On
  • (00:12:00) Bringing the OT Ecosystem to the Table
  • (00:15:00) Why IT Needs New Friends in Manufacturing

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Is AI Becoming Your Plant Floor's Biggest Vulnerability?15 Jun 202600:27:14

Craig and Dino dig into the widening gap between IT and OT and why the plant floor keeps getting left behind.

They break down what Dragos ' acquisition of Phosphorus signals for the future of IoT security in manufacturing, from cameras and label printers to X-ray inspection systems that ship with default passwords and almost never get patched.

The conversation gets sharp on artificial intelligence: the same models helping plants work smarter are now lowering the barrier for attackers, putting Stuxnet-style capabilities into the hands of people who lack the resources and sophistication that nation states once needed.

Craig and Dino expose the everyday habits that leave operations vulnerable, including system integrators plugging personal laptops straight into production networks, locked USB ports that solve only half the problem, and remote access so wide open that a single entry point can expose an entire plant.

They argue that nobody truly owns OT cyber hygiene, that frameworks like IEC 62443 and the NIST 800 82 series get named in RFPs but rarely enforced, and that leaders keep tripping over dollars to pick up nickels by choosing the cheapest bid over real protection.

It's a candid, experience-driven look at why industrial security moves so slowly and what plant leaders, engineers, and security teams can actually do about it.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - AI Enters the OT Battlefield
  • (00:01:30) - Why IoT Is Creeping Onto the Plant Floor
  • (00:03:30) - Printers, Cameras, and the Default Passwords Nobody Owns
  • (00:06:00) - Dragos, Phosphorus, and the Managed Services Question
  • (00:08:00) - How AI Lowers the Bar for Attacking Control Systems
  • (00:09:40) - Stuxnet Then vs. AI-Powered Attacks Now
  • (00:12:00) - The Laptop in the Plant: Contractors, USBs, and Open Networks
  • (00:16:00) - Frameworks on Paper vs. Reality (IEC 62443 & NIST 800-82)
  • (00:19:00) - Tripping Over Dollars to Pick Up Nickels
  • (00:24:00) - Short-Tenure CISOs and Why You Shouldn't Go It Alone

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Is Your IIoT Strategy Creating More Security Risks?09 Jun 202600:22:20

Craig and Dino address one of the most overlooked problems in OT security: the IIoT devices your security tools don't automatically detect.

Most OT intrusion detection platforms do a reasonable job of identifying core control-layer assets such as PLCs, drives, and motor control centers. The problem is everything else. Laptops plugged into the network, third-party devices brought in by contractors, and a growing range of connected IIoT equipment often go completely undetected. Those are the gaps where risk accumulates.

Craig and Dino explain why the belief that machines are air-gapped is a dangerous myth, how PLCs acting as gateways prevent intrusion detection platforms from seeing the devices behind them, and why an asset inventory is not the same as knowing your real risk and CVE exposure in multi-vendor environments.

They reframe OT cybersecurity as a process-integrity problem and show how unmanaged network activity, third-party remote access, and even routine IT security scans can quietly degrade OEE and trigger unplanned downtime that costs millions.

Using predictive-maintenance analogies such as thermal, harmonics, and vibration sensing, they make the case for treating digital anomalies the same way mature plants already treat mechanical ones.

They close by examining why so many OT detection tools become shelfware, how to escape alert fatigue, and the two practical paths to real IT/OT convergence: building the right relationships with OEMs, system integrators, and AEC partners, and designing security-ready facilities from the ground up.

It's a practical listen for CISOs, plant and engineering leaders, and OT/IT teams responsible for securing manufacturing and critical infrastructure.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Why No Industrial Asset Is Truly Air-Gapped
  • (00:01:08) - IoT vs. IIoT: How OT Assets Get Classified
  • (00:03:15) - The Control-Layer Blind Spot: Drives, Robots, and Motor Controls
  • (00:05:25) - How PLC Gateways Hide Assets From Intrusion Detection
  • (00:07:30) - Asset Inventory Isn't Risk: The CVE Gap in Multi-Vendor Plants
  • (00:08:55) - When Cyber Blind Spots Become Costly Downtime
  • (00:10:05) - Process Integrity: How Security Scans Disrupt Production
  • (00:11:35) - Predictive Maintenance Meets Digital Anomaly Detection
  • (00:17:45) - Avoiding OT Shelfware and Alert Fatigue
  • (00:19:45) - IT/OT Convergence: Choosing a Partner and Building Secure-by-Design

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Five Federal Agencies. One Zero-Trust OT Briefing. Most Haven't Read it.03 Jun 202600:35:43

The joint CISA, FBI, Department of War, Department of Energy, and Department of State briefing on adapting Zero Trust to operational technology landed on April 29. Has OT leadership read it?

In this episode, Craig and Dino address how the European Cyber Resilience Act is quietly forcing US plants into failed audits, why IT teams still see less than a third of OT assets, how EDR tools are taking down $100K-an-hour packaging lines, and why only a handful of integrators in North America have a real OT cybersecurity practice.

They walk through what zero trust and micro-segmentation actually look like inside a 20-year-old plant with flat layer-two networks, DLR rings, jump boxes, and Cradlepoint workarounds, and lay out the first concrete move every CISO and CIO should make to start closing the IT/OT gap.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Cold Open: How the European CRA Is Failing US Plants
  • (00:01:30) - The April 29 CISA/FBI Zero Trust in OT Briefing Nobody Read
  • (00:05:00) - Compliance Without Teeth: Why US Regulations Aren't Moving the Needle
  • (00:07:30) - When CrowdStrike Shuts Down a $100K-an-Hour Packaging Line
  • (00:10:30) - The Visibility Gap: IT Sees Less Than a Third of OT Assets
  • (00:15:30) - OEM Resistance: The Million-Dollar, Six-Month Cybersecurity Tax
  • (00:18:30) - The Cradlepoint Workaround: How Plant Managers Bypass IT
  • (00:21:30) - Layering Zero Trust onto a 20-Year-Old Plant Without Rip-and-Replace
  • (00:25:30) - Why Only 5–10 of 1,000 Integrators Have a Real OT Cyber Practice
  • (00:31:30) - Where CISOs Should Actually Be Looking (Hint: Not RSA or Black Hat)

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IT vs OT: The Internal Misalignment Costing Manufacturers Millions27 May 202600:34:39

Most manufacturing organizations still operate with a dangerous blind spot: IT and OT teams working in completely different dimensions with no shared visibility into plant floor cybersecurity.

In this episode, Dino and Jim break down why 90% of manufacturers remain in the unaware-to-awareness phase when it comes to OT cybersecurity. They address what happens when IT tries to shoehorn enterprise security into operational environments they don't understand, and how the lack of collaboration between these two groups leads to costly unplanned downtime — sometimes at $100,000 per hour or more.

Drawing from real client engagements, they reveal why OT must take a leadership role in cybersecurity (just like safety), how OT IDS tools can deliver operational value far beyond threat detection, and what it actually takes to get IT and OT speaking the same language before a breach forces them to.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Why IT and OT Need to Get to the Table Now
  • (00:01:47) - Cats and Dogs Living Together: The IT/OT Culture Clash
  • (00:03:00) - 90% of Manufacturers Are Still in the Dark on OT Cyber
  • (00:06:00) - What Is OT and Why Don't OT People Know They're OT?
  • (00:08:45) - Real Client Story: The Missing OT Team on a Global Kickoff
  • (00:13:00) - Ask Forgiveness, Not Permission: How OT Workarounds Create Risk
  • (00:15:00) - The OT IDS Tool Nobody's Sharing With OT
  • (00:19:30) - Why Manual Discovery Assessments Are Throwing Money Away
  • (00:21:00) - 15 Switch Manufacturers in One Plant: The Architecture Nightmare
  • (00:25:30) - OT Cybersecurity Is the New Safety — Treat It Like One
  • (00:29:00) - Final Advice for IT and OT Teams Ready to Converge

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OT Security Isn't an IT Problem: What it Takes to Get it Right19 May 202600:27:08

Craig sits down with Wil Klusovsky, a 26-year cybersecurity veteran and CRO at viLogics, to break down why asset visibility and exposure management are the foundation of any solid OT security strategy.

From the myth of the air-gapped shop floor to the real-world math behind quantifying cyber risk in dollars and cents, Will and Craig explore how manufacturers can move beyond fear-based selling, bridge the gap between IT and operations, and build programmatic cybersecurity that protects both production uptime and the bottom line.

They discuss how to frame cyber risk as business risk, why compensating controls and context matter more than raw vulnerability numbers, and why the CISO's real job is "chief inside selling officer."

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Welcoming Will to the Podcast!
  • (00:02:12) - Why Asset Visibility Is the Starting Point for OT Security
  • (00:03:48) - The Air Gap Myth and Legacy Systems on the Shop Floor
  • (00:04:52) - Translating Cyber Risk Into Dollars and Cents
  • (00:07:05) - Quantifying Downtime: Mean Time to Recovery and True Cost of Ownership
  • (00:09:55) - Risk Appetite: Spend to Mitigate or Accept the Exposure?
  • (00:11:32) - Who Really Owns the Risk? Executives, Not CISOs
  • (00:13:00) - Uptime, OEE, and Why Cybersecurity Risk Is Business Risk
  • (00:15:45) - Remote Access Risks and Competing Priorities on the Shop Floor
  • (00:18:04) - The "Chief Inside Selling Officer" — Getting Buy-In Before Budget
  • (00:19:48) - The Get Out of Jail Free Card: Aligning Incentives Across Teams
  • (00:22:30) - Context Over CVE Counts: 600 Critical Vulns, Zero Exploitable
  • (00:25:42) - Prioritizing Remediation by Business Impact, Not Severity Score
  • (00:26:30) - Wrap-Up and Part 2 Preview: Business Impact Analysis

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OT Cybersecurity: Is the Purdue Model Still Useful?12 May 202600:48:09

Is the Purdue Model outdated, or simply misunderstood? In this episode, Dino sits down with Ken Kully (Rockwell Automation) for a candid, practitioner-level conversation about what the Purdue Model still gets right.

They discuss where it falls short in modern environments, and why “IT/OT convergence” remains more of a people-and-process challenge than a technology problem.

They break down the reality on the plant floor: long-lived legacy systems, inconsistent architectures across sites, limited maintenance windows, and the operational consequences of downtime.

The discussion also tackles the everyday friction points: MFA, shared operator accounts, unmanaged vendor laptops, and remote access “surprises”, and why you can’t improve OT security posture without a trustworthy asset inventory and segmentation that keeps systems “in their lane.”

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Intro + why this Purdue conversation matters now
  • (00:01:00) Ken’s background: from process environments to OT cyber delivery readiness
  • (00:04:00) The big question: has the Purdue Model outlived its usefulness?
  • (00:07:00) Framework vs. strict blueprint: “Purdue enough” in real plants
  • (00:09:00) IT/OT convergence: why it’s a people + process problem (not tech)
  • (00:12:00) The “silver tsunami” and why security UX fails on the plant floor
  • (00:15:30) MFA, shared logins, and why “security gets in the way” still shows up
  • (00:18:00) Legacy reality: Windows 98/7 boxes, vendor lock-in, and downtime economics
  • (00:21:00) Discovery first: diagrams, configs, and why documentation is always missing
  • (00:23:30) Purdue as a map: brokering traffic, one-up/one-down, and the “3.5” DMZ
  • (00:26:00) When devices try to “escape the box”: unexpected outbound comms + exposure risk
  • (00:28:30) Vendor/OEM access: the unmanaged laptop problem in OT
  • (00:32:00) Asset inventory as the unlock: you can’t defend what you don’t know exists
  • (00:34:00) Why IT often won’t “crawl the plant,” and what that means operationally
  • (00:36:30) Scale problem: 30 plants, 30 realities—standardize globally, execute locally
  • (00:38:30) The SI/OEM “third leg”: why trusted integrators are key to sustainable OT security
  • (00:40:30) Closing + crossover: continuing the discussion on Ken’s OT After Hours podcast

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Federal Agencies Can Enter Private Networks to Hunt Malware. Is Your Plant Prepared?06 May 202600:31:56

Dino and Jim break down a major shift in the cyber threat landscape: federal agencies obtaining legal authority to enter private networks to hunt down state-sponsored malware, and what that signals for industrial organizations.

They discuss why critical infrastructure and supply chains are prime targets, how “soft targets” in OT and building automation get exploited, and why many companies still lack visibility into what’s happening on the plant floor.

The conversation zooms in on real-world exposure points, especially unmanaged vendor remote access and end-of-life equipment, and closes with practical themes for leadership.

  1. Stop assuming “IT has it covered”
  2. Define measurable OT security outcomes
  3. Start taking steps that make disruption harder and detection faster.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why identity, trust, and vendor access are breaking down in modern plants
  • (00:01:00) The episode’s trigger: government-led operations to remove malware from private networks
  • (00:03:00) “Machete scanning” and why IT-style tactics can disrupt OT operations
  • (00:05:00) The real target set: critical infrastructure, supply chains, and smaller utilities with limited resources
  • (00:08:00) Collateral damage and how cyber “weapons” trickle down to criminal ransomware
  • (00:13:00) Why OT is still a soft target: visibility gaps, unpatched systems, and weak segmentation
  • (00:14:00) Remote access everywhere: OEM/SI pathways, unknown identities, and lack of governance
  • (00:20:00) The logging gap: what IT sees vs. what OT can’t see (and why that matters for incident response)
  • (00:24:00) Building automation and facilities systems as weak links attackers love
  • (00:26:00) Executive accountability: what boards should be measuring after breaches (and why progress stalls)

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The Phishing Attack That Could Have Shut Down a Plant Floor29 Apr 202600:26:03

A real-world case study shows how a single phishing email led to credential and MFA compromise, creating an urgent question for any industrial organization: Did the attacker reach the OT environment?

Dino and Jim walk through how OT visibility, secure remote access controls, and continuous monitoring enabled rapid validation of what happened. They were able to prove the breach did not impact control systems and avoid an expensive, safety-driven shutdown of a continuous manufacturing process.

The episode connects technical controls to executive outcomes, including resilience, duty of care, and the financial reality that “not knowing” can be as costly as an actual compromise.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why continuous manufacturing makes “abundance of caution” shutdowns so costly
  • (00:01:00) What “OT continuous monitoring” means and why it matters in real incidents
  • (00:03:00) Safety and connected environments: why “it can go boom” changes the stakes
  • (00:05:00) Baselines: defining “normal” so abnormal behavior is actionable
  • (00:07:00) Incident story: phishing email leads to credential and MFA compromise
  • (00:09:00) What the team validated: tracing access and confirming OT was not impacted
  • (00:10:00) Lessons from Colonial Pipeline: inability to validate can force shutdowns
  • (00:11:00) OT reality check: Windows assets, HMIs, historians, and engineering workstations
  • (00:13:00) Secure OT remote access: why VPN-only access is not sufficient
  • (00:16:00) The payoff: avoided downtime, avoided product loss, and avoided disruption
  • (00:19:00) Executive view: duty of care, liability, compliance, and protecting enterprise value
  • (00:23:00) The “air gap” myth and why defense-in-depth is the only practical path

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Your Most Valuable & Underutilized Cybersecurity Asset21 Apr 202600:25:34

In this episode, Dino and LuRae address why system integrators, OEMs, and ecosystem partners are often a manufacturer’s most underused cybersecurity resource.

Dino explains why many IT leaders lack real visibility into the plant floor, what it takes to operationalize OT security beyond “checking the box,” and why asset inventory is the first practical step toward protecting control systems.

The conversation also covers the realities of remote access after COVID, the need for governance measures such as change control and auditing, and why manufacturers should build real partner relationships rather than purely transactional vendor engagements.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) OT security requires time inside the plant, not an “ivory tower” view
  • (00:01:00) Introducing Dino and the topic: partners as a cybersecurity asset
  • (00:02:00) Why OT assets get excluded from cybersecurity strategy
  • (00:03:00) The real opportunity: system integrators and OEMs already in the plant
  • (00:05:00) Getting started: identify who’s working in each facility
  • (00:08:00) Step one: accurate OT asset inventory and visibility
  • (00:10:00) Remote access: detect, audit, and control what partners are doing
  • (00:12:00) “Compliance” vs. operational reality on the plant floor
  • (00:16:00) Resourcing reality: why most teams cannot self-perform OT security
  • (00:20:00) Final advice: budget, ROI of downtime, and act before the incident

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OT Patching vs IT Patching: What's Commonly Misunderstood14 Apr 202600:27:35

Most cybersecurity teams treat patching like a universal fix. In manufacturing, that assumption can take down a production line, trigger a safety event, or void the warranty on a $2 million piece of equipment.

In this episode, Dino Busalachi and Craig Duckworth break down why patching in operational technology environments is a fundamentally different problem than patching enterprise IT — and why closing that gap requires more than just pushing an update.

The bottom line: A firewall is not a patching strategy. Neither is hoping your systems are isolated. Organizations that get this right use risk-based prioritization, lab testing, virtual patching, and real collaboration between IT and OT teams.

If you are responsible for a plant floor — or for the people who are — this conversation is for you.

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Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why assessing OT cybersecurity posture and asset visibility is hard
  • (00:01:00) IT patches constantly, OT rarely does, and why that gap matters
  • (00:03:00) Downtime costs: a broken patch in OT can stop the entire plant
  • (00:05:00) OEM “don’t touch it” policies and warranty pressure
  • (00:08:00) M&A due diligence: buying plants without knowing the cyber condition
  • (00:09:00) CrowdStrike outage example and why agent-based tools are risky in OT
  • (00:10:00) Virtual patching: protecting PLCs and legacy assets you cannot patch
  • (00:14:00) Vendor guidance, upgrade rewrites, and “acceptable risk” decisions
  • (00:17:00) Hidden exposure: guest Wi‑Fi, tablets, remote access, and “air gaps”
  • (00:20:00) Best practices: inventory, continuous monitoring, vulnerability metrics, and cross-team alignment

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Who Actually Owns OT Cybersecurity? Not Who You Think06 Apr 202600:30:36

Dino and Craig break down what they are seeing in real industrial environments as companies begin the OT cybersecurity journey. They outline why most organizations are still in an “unaware to awareness” phase, what creates the “oh wow” moment after the first pilot, and why ownership and execution often falls to plant-floor teams and their OEM and integrator partners.

The conversation covers the limits of surface-level visibility, why accurate asset inventory and remote access control are foundational, and how practical constraints like flat networks, legacy switches, warranty concerns, and limited human capital can stall progress.

They also share cautionary examples of IT-first security tooling causing operational impact, and they close with a clear message: think globally, act locally, and build a defensible OT program that matches how plants actually run.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why OT vulnerabilities and remote access are the real “kicker”
  • (00:01:00) The market reality: 60% unaware, 30% starting, 10% operationalized
  • (00:03:00) Who owns remediation: IT vs OT and the plant-floor accountability gap
  • (00:05:00) Why “visibility” often stops at Purdue Level 3 and misses Level 2 assets
  • (00:07:00) OEMs, integrators, and why support models matter in OT cybersecurity
  • (00:09:00) Flat networks, north-south traffic, and why you still miss panel-level devices
  • (00:11:00) The human capital problem and why outsourcing is often unavoidable
  • (00:18:00) A real-world warning: EDR in ICS can create massive operational cost
  • (00:20:00) Safety, quality, and cybersecurity: the three things leaders will fund
  • (00:24:00) Change management failures and why monitoring PLC edits matters

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You Think Your Plant Is Secure. Your Data Says Otherwise.30 Mar 202600:33:02

Craig Duckworth sits down with CIO and Chief Enterprise Architect Shellie D'Angelo to address why so many OT and IT modernization efforts stall out at the foundation.

Shellie explains why data governance must come before “another tool,” how inconsistent data quality quietly sabotages reporting and risk decisions, and why leadership transparency is the fastest path to maturity.

Craig and Shellie also explore the reality of shadow IT on the plant floor, the growing impact of AI as both a defensive advantage and an attacker accelerator, and the practical steps teams can take to move from reactive chaos to measurable business outcomes.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) Why honest risk conversations are the starting line
  • (00:01:00) Shellie’s background: rebuilding enterprise tech foundations
  • (00:02:00) OT/IT convergence: start with business drivers and data governance
  • (00:05:00) “Tools first” vs business-first security decisions
  • (00:08:00) Knowing what you have before buying more tools
  • (00:11:00) How far along are most organizations, really?
  • (00:15:00) AI as a double-edged sword: defense vs attacker acceleration
  • (00:18:00) Where to start: inventory first vs governance structure
  • (00:22:00) OT tech is often easier prey: PLCs, HMI/SCADA, cameras
  • (00:25:00) Partnering vs going it alone: don’t reinvent the wheel
  • (00:26:00) Tech debt and why technology can’t be an afterthought
  • (00:29:00) Governance should increase speed, not slow it down
  • (00:30:00) Final advice: “turn chaos into cash” and own your impact

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Two Major Cybersecurity Shifts the Industry Isn't Prepared For with Simon Chassar24 Mar 202600:31:06

Dino Busalachi sits down with Simon Chassar, former Chief Revenue Officer at Claroty and current OT cybersecurity advisor and investor, to explore the evolution and future of industrial cybersecurity.

Simon shares insights from his decade-long journey in the space, discussing how OT asset visibility has become commoditized and why the industry is experiencing two major shifts: moving right toward threat-led SOC services and perimeter protection, and moving left toward secure-by-design approaches and attack simulation.

They dive into the persistent challenge of self-performing versus partnering with specialized integrators, the critical skills shortage commanding 30-40% salary premiums, and why AI is both accelerating security challenges and offering new solutions.

Simon reveals how private equity firms are finally prioritizing OT cybersecurity at the board level, discusses the emerging OT SOC landscape, and explains why the traditional IT security budget model is failing operational technology environments.

The conversation addresses the disconnect between IT leadership and the OT ecosystem, the proliferation of unmanaged remote access technologies, and the urgent need for manufacturers to engage their trusted system integrators and OEMs as cybersecurity partners before the next major incident occurs.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - Meet Simon : From Claroty's Hypergrowth to OT Security's Next Chapter
  2. (00:02:00) - The Commoditization of OT Asset Visibility
  3. (00:04:00) - Two Major Industry Shifts: Right and Left
  4. (00:07:00) - The Self-Performing Problem: Why OT Security Becomes Shelfware
  5. (00:10:00) - IT/OT Convergence and the Skills Gap Crisis
  6. (00:13:00) - Secure by Design and the AI Leapfrog
  7. (00:15:00) - AI Uncovers Hidden OT Vulnerabilities and Risks
  8. (00:18:00) - Funding Models and Private Equity's Cybersecurity Awakening
  9. (00:22:00) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Drive Its Own Security Strategy
  10. (00:25:00) - M&A Activity and Consolidation in OT Cybersecurity
  11. (00:27:00) - The Rise of OT SOCs and MSP Partnerships

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  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
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The Connected Plant Floor: What S4X26 Revealed16 Mar 202600:20:18

Craig and Dino recap their experience at S4X26, the leading global OT cybersecurity conference in Miami.

They discuss the conference's "connected" theme and how AI is creating an inflection point in industrial cybersecurity, driving unprecedented connectivity between IT and OT environments.

The hosts explore the challenges of the "silver tsunami" as experienced engineers retire, how AI-powered tools are being embedded directly into edge devices and industrial products from vendors like Cisco and Fortinet, and why the regulatory landscape in Europe is advancing faster than other regions.

They emphasize the importance of connecting with peers and partners in the OT security community, highlight key vendors and technologies showcased at the event, and explain why both IT and OT professionals should attend S4X together to bridge the knowledge gap.

The episode concludes with details about next year's expanded conference in Tampa, February 8-11.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - Random Encounter with Team USA Hockey in Miami
  2. (00:01:00) - S4X26 Conference Kickoff: The "Connected" Theme
  3. (00:03:00) - AI as the Inflection Point for OT Connectivity
  4. (00:05:00) - AI Embedded in Edge Devices and Vendor Technologies
  5. (00:07:00) - First-Time Attendee Experiences and Key Takeaways
  6. (00:10:00) - Europe's Cyber Resiliency Act and Regulatory Advancements
  7. (00:12:00) - Vendor Presence and the OT Technology Marketplace
  8. (00:14:00) - S4X27 Moving to Tampa: February 8-11, 2027
  9. (00:16:00) - AI's Role in Addressing the Silver Tsunami
  10. (00:18:00) - Final Thoughts: Why IT and OT Teams Should Attend Together

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The Hidden Cost of Siloed OT Security Tools11 Mar 202600:25:10

As we look back, Craig and Dino tackle a critical disconnect in industrial cybersecurity: the failure to share OT security tool data with the people who actually need it.

They explore why IT teams often purchase and deploy OT IDS platforms without engaging plant floor teams, system integrators, and OEMs who are actively working in manufacturing environments.

The conversation reveals that 85% of data collected by these tools is meant for OT teams to act on, yet it rarely reaches them.

They discuss the consequences of this siloed approach—including system integrators bringing their own tools to fill the gap—and provide practical advice on achieving true IT/OT convergence.

The episode emphasizes the importance of working with partners who can "build the car" rather than just "sell the car," and challenges organizations to evaluate whether they're truly practicing IT/OT convergence or just paying lip service to it.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - The Data Sharing Problem in OT Cybersecurity
  2. (00:01:00) - Why System Integrators Can't Access Security Tool Data
  3. (00:04:00) - Who's Keeping the Data and Why
  4. (00:08:00) - The IT/OT Oil and Water Problem
  5. (00:11:00) - When System Integrators Bring Their Own Tools
  6. (00:14:00) - Questions to Ask Your Cybersecurity Partners
  7. (00:17:00) - The Car Analogy: Buyers vs. Builders
  8. (00:19:00) - Who Asset Owners Really Trust
  9. (00:21:00) - The Three-Legged Stool of OT Security
  10. (00:23:00) - The Path to True IT/OT Convergence

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The Blind Spots Putting Manufacturers at Risk: WEF 2026 Global Cybersecurity Outlook02 Mar 202600:31:38

LuRae Lumpkin, Producer of Industrial Cybersecurity Insider, sits down with industrial cybersecurity expert Dino Busalachi to break down the 2026 World Economic Forum Global Cybersecurity Outlook Report and what it really means for manufacturers.

While the report surveyed nearly a thousand CEOs, CIOs, and CISOs, Dino reveals a critical blind spot: industrial control systems and OT environments are being left dangerously exposed.

They discuss how AI is becoming a double-edged sword for attackers and defenders, why supply chain vulnerabilities remain unaddressed, the shocking lack of cybersecurity skills on plant floors, and why most companies still aren't conducting incident response exercises.

Dino shares real-world insights from working in nearly 2,000 plants over four decades, explaining why IT and OT remain disconnected, how remote access creates massive security gaps, and why outdated equipment with decades-old vulnerabilities sits unpatched in critical manufacturing environments.

The conversation reveals that while enterprises focus on IT security, the plant floor—where revenue is actually generated—remains critically vulnerable, with potentially catastrophic consequences for businesses, supply chains, and even national GDP.

Chapters:

(00:00:00) - Introduction and Overview of WEF 2026 Cybersecurity Report

(00:01:00) - Where Cybersecurity Funding Actually Goes: IT vs OT Reality

(00:03:00) - The Myth of Disconnected Legacy Equipment (00:05:00) - AI as a Double-Edged Sword in Industrial Environments

(00:08:00) - The Vulnerability Crisis: Thousands of Unpatched Systems

(00:09:00) - Third-Party and Supply Chain Security Gaps

(00:12:00) - Remote Access: The Hidden Attack Vector

(00:14:00) - Critical Supplier Dependencies and Decentralized OT

(00:15:00) - The Skills Gap: Why Industrial Cybersecurity Expertise is Scarce

(00:19:00) - The Shocking Truth About Incident Response Exercises

(00:22:00) - Real-World Impact: When Manufacturers Get Hit

(00:24:00) - Getting All Stakeholders in the Same Room

(00:28:00) - Insurance vs Prevention: The True Cost of Cyber Incidents

(00:29:00) - Final Thoughts: Who Should Own OT Cybersecurity?

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IT SOC vs OT SOC How & Why They’re Different25 Feb 202600:26:17

Craig and Dino tackle the critical differences between IT and OT Security Operations Centers, revealing why traditional IT-centric SOCs are failing to protect manufacturing environments.

Drawing from real-world examples, including a global beverage company that discovered they were only monitoring one-third of their OT assets, the hosts expose the fundamental disconnect between IT security teams and operational technology environments.

They discuss why IT SOCs struggle with OT visibility, the challenges of asset inventory in dynamic manufacturing environments, and the critical importance of localization in security operations.

The conversation covers practical barriers like line changeovers, PLC modifications, remote access vulnerabilities, and the need for OT-specific incident response protocols.

Craig and Dino emphasize that effective OT security requires IT teams to become embedded in plant operations, working collaboratively with OEMs and system integrators, and understanding the unique operational context of manufacturing assets.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, plant managers, and security professionals trying to bridge the IT-OT security gap.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - The Two-Thirds Problem: When Your SOC Can't See Your Plant Floor
  2. (00:01:00) - The OT SOC Asset Visibility Problem: A Case Study
  3. (00:03:00) - Why IT SOCs Can't Manage OT Assets
  4. (00:05:00) - Line Changeovers and Operational Context
  5. (00:07:00) - First Responders and Incident Response Challenges
  6. (00:10:00) - The WannaCry Response Gap
  7. (00:12:00) - Asset Inventory and Baseline Challenges
  8. (00:15:00) - Incident Response and Phone Trees
  9. (00:17:00) - Organizational Accountability Problems
  10. (00:19:00) - Greenfield Opportunities and Standardization
  11. (00:22:00) - The IT-OT Collaboration Challenge
  12. (00:24:00) - Think Global, Act Local: Embedding IT in Plants

Links And Resources:

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  2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Your OT Cybersecurity Strategy Is Failing: Here's Why17 Feb 202600:30:02

Dino and Craig reunite to tackle the shifts occuring in industrial cybersecurity in 2026.

They discuss how OT-focused IDS software companies are shifting away from managed services to partner with systems integrators who understand the plant floor.

The conversation explores the challenges manufacturers face—from aging infrastructure spanning decades to flat layer-2 networks that give remote vendors unrestricted access.

They emphasize that IT departments cannot effectively manage OT assets they don't own or understand, especially when dealing with equipment older than their cybersecurity staff.

The episode covers the pitfalls of penetration testing in live manufacturing environments, the reality of shadow IT versus shadow OT, and why EDR solutions struggle in control system environments.

Dino and Craig stress the importance of treating cybersecurity as a marathon rather than a sprint, starting with basic asset inventory and microsegmentation.

They call on manufacturing leaders to stop deferring to IT for OT security, attend industry-specific conferences like S4X26, and partner with systems integrators who have deep automation expertise.

With threats mounting, the time for action is now—not next quarter.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - Welcome & What We've Been Up To
  2. (00:00:48) - The Big Shift: Why OT IDS Companies Are Backing Away From Managed Services
  3. (00:03:00) - The Shelfware Problem: When Security Tools Sit Unused
  4. (00:04:12) - Why Pen Testing Can Be Disruptive (or Dangerous) in Manufacturing Environments
  5. (00:05:54) - The Reality of Legacy Infrastructure: Equipment Older Than Your Cybersecurity Team
  6. (00:07:43) - Who Can Actually Patch Your Control Systems?
  7. (00:09:04) - Supply Chain Vulnerabilities: You're Only as Strong as Your Weakest Link
  8. (00:11:01) - The Last Mile Challenge: Asset Inventory, Microsegmentation & Starting Small
  9. (00:13:55) - The Shelfware to Tool-Switching Problem: Why Companies Are Reconsidering Their First Choice
  10. (00:16:18) - Shadow IT vs. Shadow OT: Who Really Owns Plant Floor Security?
  11. (00:19:00) - Why EDR Struggles in Control System Environments
  12. (00:21:35) - Time to Step Up: Why Manufacturing Leaders Can't Defer to IT Anymore
  13. (00:23:00) - Where to Learn: S4, Automation Fair, and Why You Need to Attend Industry Conferences
  14. (00:25:00) - Finding the Right Partner: Systems Integrators Who Speak Automation and Cybersecurity
  15. (00:27:00) - Final Thoughts: The Time for Action Is Now

Links And Resources:

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  2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Former NSA now Founder & CTO Breaks Cybersecurity Down: Satellites to Manufacturing10 Feb 202600:33:59

Dino sits down with Dick Wilkinson, CTO and co-founder of Proof Labs, to explore the intersection of space technology and industrial cybersecurity.

Dick shares his 20-year journey in the U.S. Army with the National Security Agency, transitioning from signals intelligence to becoming a CISO for critical infrastructure organizations, including New Mexico's Supreme Court and the Albuquerque water authority.

The conversation dives deep into the challenges of securing satellite systems with onboard intrusion detection and the persistent gap between IT and OT security teams. We also explore why the "castle wall" perimeter security model is dangerously outdated.

Dick reveals how AI is lowering the barrier to entry for both attackers and defenders, and discusses the real-world applications of satellite communications in oil and gas operations.

He also introduces a revolutionary physical layer-one air gap device called Goldilock Secure, which could transform how we protect remote industrial assets.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, CTOs, and security leaders looking to understand emerging threats in space-based infrastructure and practical solutions for securing distributed industrial environments.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - Dick's Journey: From NSA to Space Cybersecurity
  2. (00:04:32) - What is Proof Labs and Why Space Security Matters
  3. (00:08:15) - Satellites as OT Assets: Oil, Gas, and Critical Infrastructure
  4. (00:12:47) - How Onboard Intrusion Detection Works in Spacecraft
  5. (00:16:23) - The Castle Wall Problem: Moving Beyond Perimeter Security
  6. (00:19:41) - IT vs OT: Bridging the Gap in Manufacturing Cybersecurity
  7. (00:24:18) - AI's Impact: Lowering the Barrier for Attackers and Defenders
  8. (00:27:35) - The Visibility Challenge: Why Most Plants Don't Know Their Assets
  9. (00:30:12) - Goldilock Firebreak: A Physical Air Gap Device That Changes Everything
  10. (00:35:20) - Real-World Applications for Remote Industrial Asset Protection

Links And Resources:

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  2. Dick Wilkinson on LinkedIn
  3. Proof Labs Website
  4. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  5. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  6. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  7. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  8. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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The IT-OT Knowledge Gap Costing Organizations Millions03 Feb 202600:22:09

Dino sits down with Adeel Shaikh Muhammad, a Dubai-based cybersecurity expert and researcher with 16+ years in IT and OT security. They dive into why IT and OT teams still can't communicate effectively.

The conversation reveals why most CISOs struggle to secure manufacturing environments. Adeel shares real-world insights from securing industrial systems across the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.

They tackle the implementation gap in OT SOCs and why legacy systems remain vulnerable. The discussion covers third-party access risks, OEM warranty restrictions, and system integrator challenges.

AI might finally solve IT-OT convergence by acting as a translator between these worlds. But first, organizations need to master the fundamentals: asset inventory, vulnerability management, and network segmentation.

Most companies still haven't nailed these basics in their industrial environments. This conversation cuts through the hype to focus on what actually works.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - 16 Years in Cybersecurity: Why CISOs Don't Know What a PLC Is
  2. (00:01:48) - Career Journey: From IT to OT Cybersecurity Focus
  3. (00:02:48) - Books on AI Transforming Security Operations Centers
  4. (00:04:44) - The Implementation Gap: Challenges Building OT SOCs
  5. (00:06:40) - The IT-OT Cultural Divide and Missing Communication
  6. (00:08:40) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Proactively Bring Cybersecurity Tools
  7. (00:10:00) - Can IT-OT Convergence Actually Happen?
  8. (00:11:00) - AI as the Bridge: The Black Box Solution for IT-OT Communication
  9. (00:12:42) - Legacy Systems Reality: Windows 7 Running $5M Equipment
  10. (00:14:00) - OT Cybersecurity Conferences: S4, Intersec, and Rockwell Automation Fair
  11. (00:16:00) - Market Consolidation: Who's Been Acquired in OT Security
  12. (00:17:48) - Back to Basics: Asset Inventory, Vulnerabilities, and Network Segmentation
  13. (00:18:40) - Third-Party Access Control and OEM Warranty Restrictions
  14. (00:20:40) - Why We Can't Ignore Asset Inventory and Segmentation in OT Anymore

Links And Resources:

  1. Adeel Shaikh Muhammad on LinkedIn
  2. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
  3. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  4. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  5. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  6. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  7. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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The Patching Gap Putting Industrial Operations at Risk: IT vs OT27 Jan 202600:26:25

Craig and Dino tackle one of industrial cybersecurity's most critical challenges in this Rewind episode: the massive gap between IT and OT patching strategies.

IT organizations patch constantly—think Patch Tuesday. OT environments rarely patch at all, creating dangerous vulnerability gaps across connected networks.

The hosts explore why this disconnect exists. Production floor downtime costs are astronomical, making patching a risky business decision.

OEM restrictions complicate matters further. Many vendors won't support systems or warranties after unauthorized updates.

Managing decades-old equipment alongside modern systems creates another layer of complexity. Legacy PLCs weren't designed with patching in mind.

The consequences of not patching are mounting. Insurance companies are tightening requirements and regulatory pressures are intensifying.

Craig and Dino offer practical solutions that don't require shutting down production lines. Virtual patching technologies can protect legacy control systems without traditional software updates.

The hosts emphasize the urgent need for IT-OT collaboration. All stakeholders—including OEMs and system integrators—must be part of strategic cybersecurity conversations.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, plant managers, and anyone responsible for protecting industrial operations. The connected world isn't waiting for OT to catch up.

Chapters:

  1. 00:00:00 - Introduction to Patching Challenges
  2. 00:01:08 - IT vs OT Patching: Key Differences
  3. 00:02:55 - Understanding the Cost of Downtime in OT
  4. 00:03:32 - Overcoming Challenges with Legacy Systems
  5. 00:05:21 - Navigating OEMs and Safety Concerns
  6. 00:06:45 - The Role of Safety in OT Patching
  7. 00:08:52 - Exploring Virtual Patching Solutions
  8. 00:13:11 - Enhancing Vendor Collaboration and Risk Management
  9. 00:16:48 - Impact of Mergers and Acquisitions on Cybersecurity
  10. 00:18:33 - Addressing Insurance and Compliance Issues
  11. 00:20:12 - Significant Consequences of Not Patching
  12. 00:23:14 - Building an Effective Collaborative Cybersecurity Strategy
  13. 00:24:03 - Conclusion and Actionable Insights

Links And Resources:

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  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
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Four Distinct Companies & One Critical Gap—The Ownership Crisis in OT Security20 Jan 202600:30:23

This compilation episode brings together the most critical insights from Industrial Cybersecurity Insider conversations about the fundamental challenges plaguing OT security implementation and management.

Industry experts dissect why traditional IT security approaches fail catastrophically on the plant floor, revealing that the core issue isn't technology—it's ownership, collaboration, and understanding.

From the dangers of deploying endpoint detection without vendor qualification to the millions lost in unplanned downtime, this episode exposes the gap between security theory and operational reality.

Listeners will discover why cybersecurity tools are often shelfware, how the "have and have-not" world creates vulnerability gaps across manufacturing facilities, and what "left of boom" thinking means for preventing incidents before they happen.

Featuring hard-won lessons about shutdown windows, cyber-informed engineering, and the critical importance of building relationships between IT teams and plant floor operations, this episode delivers actionable intelligence for CISOs, plant managers, and anyone responsible for securing industrial control systems.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - Introduction: The Core Problem of Ownership in OT Security
  2. (00:01:45) - Why IT Security Approaches Fail on the Plant Floor
  3. (00:04:30) - The Cloud Analogy: Lessons for OT Implementation
  4. (00:07:15) - The Missing Conversation: Capital Plans and OEMs
  5. (00:10:20) - IT vs OT Networks: Different Purposes, Different Risks
  6. (00:13:35) - EDR in OT: The Aftermarket Parts Problem
  7. (00:16:10) - Cyber-Informed Engineering: Building Security into Design
  8. (00:19:45) - The Have and Have-Not World of Plant Security
  9. (00:23:20) - Left of Boom: Visibility Beyond Security
  10. (00:27:15) - Who Should Lead the OT Security Discussion

Links And Resources:

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  2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Your New Equipment Just Shipped With Security Risks & Here's Why Your OEM Won't Fix Them13 Jan 202600:26:48

In this episode, Dino and Craig tackle one of manufacturing's most pressing challenges: the OEM blockade. They explore why brand-new equipment often ships with hundreds of unpatched vulnerabilities, how the gap between IT and OT teams creates operational blind spots, and why manufacturers can't rely on traditional IT solutions to secure their plant floors.

From the CrowdStrike incident that took down HMIs to the "ghost in the machine" causing unexplained downtime, they reveal why OT teams must take ownership of their cybersecurity posture and build partnerships with the right ecosystem of OT-focused service providers.

If you've ever wondered why your million-dollar machine center is running Windows 7 or why your cybersecurity reports don't match reality, this episode provides the answers—and a path forward.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - The OEM Blockade Problem
  2. (00:01:00) - Understanding OEM Software Lock and Remote Access
  3. (00:03:00) - The Reality of Unpatched Vulnerabilities in New Equipment
  4. (00:06:00) - The IT/OT Blockade and Convergence Challenges
  5. (00:09:00) - Why IT Disciplines Don't Translate to OT Environments
  6. (00:11:00) - The CrowdStrike Incident: What Really Happened on Plant Floors
  7. (00:13:00) - The Lack of Due Diligence in Manufacturing M&A
  8. (00:16:00) - Chasing the Ghost in the Machine
  9. (00:19:00) - Process Integrity vs. Cybersecurity Tools
  10. (00:22:00) - Why OT Teams Must Take Ownership and Build the Right Partnerships

Links And Resources:

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  2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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The CISO's Impossible Task: Protecting Plant Floors They've Never Seen06 Jan 202600:26:26

Craig and Dino tackle one of the most pressing challenges in industrial cybersecurity: the disconnect between IT security teams and operational technology environments.

They explore why traditional CISOs struggle to protect manufacturing plants despite their best intentions, revealing that most security executives get 30 minutes or less per quarter to present cyber risks to their boards—leaving little time to address the complexities of OT environments they barely understand.

The conversation digs into the fundamental differences between enterprise IT and plant floor operations, where safety and uptime trump traditional security approaches, and where telling an engineer to remove a Windows 7 machine from the network might mean shutting down millions of dollars in production.

Craig and Dino make a compelling case for why external expertise, cross-functional collaboration, and a fundamental shift in how organizations approach industrial cybersecurity are not just recommended—they're essential for survival in an evolving threat landscape where adversaries only need to get lucky once.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - The IT Security Mindset vs. OT Reality
  2. (00:01:00) - Has the CISO Really Engaged with Industrial Cybersecurity?
  3. (00:03:00) - The Disconnect: IT Owns the Network, OT Owns the Assets
  4. (00:05:00) - What CISOs Don't Know About the Plant Floor
  5. (00:07:00) - Safety and Uptime: The Top Two Priorities CISOs Must Understand
  6. (00:10:00) - The Asset Visibility Problem: Do You Really Know What's Out There?
  7. (00:13:00) - 30 Minutes or Less Per Quarter: The CISO's Impossible Task
  8. (00:16:00) - Why External Expertise Isn't Optional Anymore
  9. (00:19:00) - The Cyber Insurance Myth: Why Your Policy Won't Save You
  10. (00:22:00) - Secure by Demand: Holding Vendors Accountable
  11. (00:25:00) - Getting to the "Know": Where to Start and What to Ask

Links And Resources:

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  2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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IT and OT Are Still Siloed - Here's Why That's Dangerous30 Dec 202500:24:23

In this rewind episode, Craig and Dino tackle a critical disconnect in industrial cybersecurity: the gap between IT teams deploying OT security tools and the plant floor teams who desperately need the data these tools collect.

They reveal why 85% of data from industrial cybersecurity platforms is meant for OT personnel, yet rarely reaches them.

The conversation exposes how organizations invest heavily in tools like IDS platforms but fail to share vulnerability data, asset inventories, and network intelligence with the system integrators, OEMs, and plant teams actually working on their control systems.

Craig and Dino discuss the consequences of this siloed approach—from incomplete asset visibility to duplicated tooling—and offer practical guidance on achieving true IT-OT convergence.

They emphasize that organizations must work with partners who can "build the car, not just buy it," and stress the importance of tabletop exercises, proper vendor vetting, and collaborative frameworks that include the entire industrial ecosystem in cybersecurity planning and execution.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - The Growing Problem: OT Teams Lack Access to Critical Security Data
  2. (00:01:47) - IT-OT Convergence in Practice: Are We Really Doing It?
  3. (00:04:42) - Why IT Teams Keep Security Data Siloed from Plant Floor Partners
  4. (00:06:38) - The Consequence: System Integrators Bring Their Own Tools
  5. (00:08:38) - The Disconnect Between IT Security Tools and OT Reality
  6. (00:11:48) - How to Bridge the Gap: Questions System Integrators Should Ask
  7. (00:15:42) - Vetting Your Security Partners: Can They Build the Car or Just Buy It?
  8. (00:17:46) - The Three-Legged Stool: Why IT-Only Security Fails in Manufacturing
  9. (00:20:48) - Action Steps: Creating a Comprehensive List of Your Industrial Ecosystem
  10. (00:22:48) - Final Thoughts: Moving Beyond Security Theater to True Collaboration

Links And Resources:

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  2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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The Hidden Reason Most Manufacturing Cybersecurity Programs Fail23 Dec 202500:30:59

Dino sits down with cybersecurity expert Wil Klusovsky to discuss the massive gap between IT security practices and OT reality. With 26 years of experience, Wil shares his unconventional journey into operational technology and reveals why most security tools end up as shelfware on plant floors.

They dive deep into the communication breakdown between CISOs and plant operations, the critical role of system integrators and OEMs that IT leaders often ignore, and why the "air gap" myth continues to put manufacturing facilities at risk.

Wil breaks down his framework for speaking to boards in language they understand, emphasizing business impact over technical jargon.

The conversation covers everything from the challenges of MFA implementation in OT environments to why patching isn't always the answer. They discuss how organizations can build effective OT security programs by making cybersecurity everyone's responsibility - not just IT's problem.

Chapters:

  1. (00:00:00) - Opening: The $50K Security Investment That Nobody Uses
  2. (00:01:00) - Will's Unconventional Journey Into OT Cybersecurity
  3. (00:03:45) - The Communication Gap Between IT and OT Teams
  4. (00:07:15) - Why Asset Visibility Tools Miss 135% of Your Equipment
  5. (00:10:30) - Speaking Board Language: Revenue Loss vs. Technical Jargon
  6. (00:13:25) - The Missing Third Leg: System Integrators and OEMs
  7. (00:17:30) - Making Cybersecurity Everyone's Job, Not Just IT's Problem
  8. (00:21:15) - Why Patching Isn't Always the Answer in OT Environments
  9. (00:25:45) - The Reality Check: Physical Security in Manufacturing Plants
  10. (00:28:30) - Building a Cybersecurity Program as a Journey, Not a Destination

Links And Resources:

  1. Wil Online Linktree
  2. Wil Klusovsky on LinkedIn
  3. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
  4. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
  5. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
  6. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
  7. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
  8. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Why OT Must Lead the Manufacturing Cybersecurity Conversation17 Dec 202500:30:07

Katie O'Brien shares her unconventional journey from music teacher to industrial cybersecurity expert, bringing over 25 years of IT experience into the OT world.

In this conversation with Dino, Katie discusses the critical gaps in OT cybersecurity—from the lack of university programs teaching industrial security to the disconnect between IT and OT teams.

They explore why system integrators and OEMs fail to design cybersecurity into new manufacturing projects from the start, compare it to building cars without safety features, and discuss the emergence of managed services in the OT space.

Katie explains how Garland Technology helps organizations get visibility into aging infrastructure with unmanaged switches, and both hosts emphasize the urgent need for the OT ecosystem to drive cybersecurity conversations proactively rather than waiting for IT teams who may never have walked the plant floor.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - The Hard Truths About OT Security Nobody Wants to Hear
  • (00:01:06) - Katie's Unconventional Journey: From Music Teacher to OT Cybersecurity Expert
  • (00:04:00) - The Current State of OT Cybersecurity and Future Directions
  • (00:06:00) - The Education Gap: Why Universities Aren't Teaching Industrial Cybersecurity
  • (00:08:00) - The Disconnect Between IT/Security Teams and OT Operations
  • (00:10:00) - Designing Cybersecurity Into New Manufacturing Projects From the Start
  • (00:13:00) - IT Teams Who've Never Walked the Plant Floor
  • (00:16:00) - The Emergence of Managed Services in the OT Space
  • (00:18:00) - Garland Technology: Getting Visibility Into Aging Infrastructure
  • (00:19:00) - Software Defined Automation and the Future of Industrial Control
  • (00:22:00) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Drive the Cybersecurity Conversation
  • (00:24:00) - The Real Cost of Downtime and Cyber Incidents in Manufacturing

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How OT Managed Services Are Revolutionizing Industrial Cybersecurity09 Dec 202500:34:02

Dino sits down with industrial automation and industrial cybersecurity expert Kevin Kumpf, fresh off the floor of Rockwell Automation Fair 2025.

They discuss why OT managed services are finally becoming viable for manufacturing, the critical 80/20 split between people and technology challenges, and how the industry's "silver tsunami" of retiring talent is forcing a reckoning.

Kevin shares insights on building unified platforms that can manage everything from 30-year-old paper tape systems to AI-powered smart factories, why IT's "patch now" mentality fails in OT environments, and how the DG 360 platform is delivering true cyber-physical convergence today - not tomorrow.

They discuss the reality that most OT cybersecurity tools only discover 30% of plant assets, the importance of human-in-the-loop decision making, and why the OT ecosystem - not IT - must drive the managed services revolution.

This is a must-listen for anyone struggling with the complexity of protecting and managing modern manufacturing facilities.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Introduction and Rockwell Automation Fair Recap
  • (00:01:43) - The OT Managed Services Evolution and Rebranding
  • (00:04:15) - The Three-Legged Stool: IT, OT, and OEMs
  • (00:07:32) - Point Solutions vs. Unified Platforms in Manufacturing
  • (00:10:45) - The DG 360 Vision: 360-Degree Plant Visibility
  • (00:14:28) - The Silver Tsunami and Training Challenges
  • (00:18:22) - Alert Fatigue and Actionable Intelligence
  • (00:22:45) - Software Defined Automation and Legacy Systems
  • (00:26:18) - Why OT Must Drive the Cybersecurity Conversation
  • (00:30:35) - Real-Time Demo and Implementation Readiness

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Former U.S. Secret Service Special Agent Shares Cyber Criminal Secrets02 Dec 202500:38:23

Former U.S. Secret Service Special Agent Richard LaTulip joins Craig Duckworth to reveal the hidden world of cyber criminal networks and infrastructure attacks.

Drawing from his undercover work infiltrating dark web forums and catching some of the world's most sophisticated threat actors, Richard breaks down why traditional security approaches fail, how ransomware attacks actually cost organizations millions if not billions beyond the ransom payment itself, and why the timeline between compromise and detection has shrunk from months to minutes.

He shares jaw-dropping statistics on vulnerability management failures, explains how adversaries are using AI to become exponentially more dangerous, and provides actionable insights for building resilient security programs that protect what matters most to your business.

Whether you're defending critical infrastructure or managing security for a manufacturing organization, this conversation offers a rare insider perspective on the evolving threat landscape and what it takes to stay ahead of increasingly sophisticated cyber criminals.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Meet the Ex-Secret Service Agent Who Infiltrated Underground Cyber Criminal Networks
  • (00:03:00) - Inside Operation Carder Kaos: Going Undercover in the Dark Web
  • (00:06:00) - The Real Price Tag: Why Ransomware Costs Go Far Beyond the Ransom
  • (00:11:00) - When Production Lines Go Dark: The Hidden Costs of Manufacturing Downtime
  • (00:14:00) - Reality Check: How Prepared Is Your Organization for a Cyber Attack?
  • (00:17:00) - The AI Arms Race: How Adversaries Are Weaponizing Artificial Intelligence
  • (00:21:00) - 2027 Threat Landscape: What Keeps a Field CISO Up at Night
  • (00:24:00) - Follow the Bitcoin: How Cyber Criminals Launder Billions Through Cryptocurrency
  • (00:31:00) - Why Speed Matters: The Critical Window for Law Enforcement Notification
  • (00:33:00) - The Security Leader's Playbook: Threat Intelligence + Business Context

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Perception vs. Reality: Why Your Plant Floor Might Not Be as Secure as You Think25 Nov 202500:22:46

In this eye-opening conversation, Dino and Craig address a critical issue facing manufacturing organizations today: the dangerous gap between perceived and actual cybersecurity preparedness in operational technology (OT) environments.

They discuss why many organizations "don't know what they don't know" when it comes to securing industrial control systems, the myth of isolated manufacturing equipment, and why 25% of companies still lack comprehensive OT asset monitoring.

Drawing powerful parallels to safety protocols, they explain why cybersecurity must become as ingrained in plant culture as wearing a hard hat on the factory floor.

Their bottom line: Back up your beliefs with data, treat every system as if it's connected, and verify, don't just trust, your security posture. In OT cybersecurity, perception isn't reality, and that gap could cost not only millions but also brand perception and even human life.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone serious about protecting their industrial environments.

Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Are You Truly Secure or Just Comfortable?
  • 00:01:15 - OT Security Reality Check: Do You Really Know Your Risks?
  • 00:01:45 - The Hidden Challenges Holding OT Security Back
  • 00:03:15 - Lack of Skilled Resources: The Biggest Barrier to Security
  • 00:05:30 - Security Frameworks: Are They Reaching the Plant Floor?
  • 00:06:15 - The Dangerous Myth of “Isolated” OT Systems
  • 00:07:58 - From Theory to Action: Winning Strategies for OT Security
  • 00:12:13 - Leadership’s Role in Cybersecurity: Who’s Driving the Change?
  • 00:19:55 - No More Blind Spots: Key Takeaways for a Secure Future

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The Silver Tsunami: Manufacturing's Talent and Knowledge Retirement Crisis18 Nov 202500:31:20

In this milestone 100th episode, Craig and Dino tackle the critical intersection of workforce retirement and industrial cybersecurity knowledge in manufacturing.

They explore how 82% of manufacturing workforce exits are due to retirement, creating a dangerous knowledge vacuum as decades of plant expertise walk out the door.

The conversation reveals why traditional IT security tools consistently miss 50-70% of OT assets, the problematic practice of buying equipment that's obsolete before installation, and why plant operators bypass corporate security policies when downtime costs a million dollars per day.

Craig and Dino state that the solution isn't just better tools, it's bridging the gap between centralized IT teams and the decentralized OT ecosystem by partnering with the system integrators and OEMs who actually keep plants running.

They discuss how manufacturers must choose between multi-million dollar capital investments in modern equipment or implementing proper network segmentation and security around legacy systems.

They address the reasons why the next generation of talent won't be attracted to facilities running decades-old technology.Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Introduction and Industry Growth Update
  • (00:02:15) - The Silver Tsunami: 82% of Manufacturing Exits Are Retirements
  • (00:05:42) - Why IT Security Tools Miss 50-70% of OT Assets
  • (00:09:18) - The Knowledge Vacuum: What Happens When Experience Walks Out
  • (00:13:05) - Why Plant Operators Bypass Corporate Security Policies
  • (00:16:30) - The Problem with Buying Obsolete Equipment
  • (00:19:45) - Centralized IT vs Decentralized OT: Bridging the Gap
  • (00:23:20) - Building Partnerships with System Integrators and OEMs
  • (00:26:50) - Capital Investment vs Network Segmentation Strategy
  • (00:29:35) - Attracting Next-Gen Talent to Manufacturing Environments

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The Nation-State Attacks Hiding in Your OT Network12 Nov 202500:33:34

In this episode of the Industrial Cybersecurity Insider, Craig Duckworth sits down with Matthew Carr, co-founder of Atumcell and OT penetration testing expert with fifteen years of experience securing operational technology systems.

Matthew shares his journey from vulnerability research to specializing in cyber-physical security, recounting the pivotal moment when his exploit code stopped a production line at a major car manufacturer.

The conversation addresses the critical gaps in OT security, including why most organizations are unaware of what's actually on their networks, the dangers of default passwords on IoT devices, and how attackers often use espionage rather than ransomware to remain undetected.

Matthew reveals how his team safely conducts pentests in production environments, develops proprietary detection rule sets, and helps organizations understand their infrastructure through network mapping.

The discussion encompasses a range of topics, from the risks associated with smart TVs in conference rooms to the motivations behind nation-states targeting critical infrastructure, culminating in practical advice on developing a cybersecurity roadmap for cyber-physical systems.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Welcome and Introduction to Matthew Carr's OT Security Journey
  • (00:02:30) - The Moment Exploit Code Stopped a Production Line at a Major Car Manufacturer
  • (00:06:15) - Why Most Organizations Don't Know What's Actually on Their OT Networks
  • (00:09:45) - The Three Pillars of Adamzsel: Pentesting, Monitoring, and Tabletop Exercises
  • (00:14:20) - How Attackers Know Your Infrastructure Better Than You Do
  • (00:18:50) - Smart TVs in Conference Rooms: The Hidden Security Risk with Root Access
  • (00:22:30) - Espionage vs Ransomware: The Cyber Attacks No One Is Talking About
  • (00:26:45) - Why Default Passwords on IoT Devices Are an Attacker's Favorite Entry Point
  • (00:30:20) - Building a Cybersecurity Roadmap for Cyber-Physical Systems
  • (00:33:15) - Closing Thoughts and Free OT Security White Paper from Adamzsel

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When IT Security Meets OT Reality: Why One Size Doesn't Fit All05 Nov 202500:35:14

What happens when IT cybersecurity practices collide with OT operational realities? In this episode, Jim and Dino expose the costly mistakes organizations make when applying IT security playbooks to manufacturing environments.

Discover why zero trust architectures can halt production, how shadow IT thrives on every plant floor, and why remote access policies designed for corporate networks fail in industrial settings.

Learn the critical importance of OT-tailored asset inventories, the need for IT/OT collaboration, and why digital safety must be treated with the same urgency as physical safety.

If you're struggling to bridge the gap between IT security mandates and OT operational needs—or if you've ever watched a well-intentioned security policy bring production to a halt—this episode is your roadmap to getting it right.

Chapters:

  • (00:00:00) - Introduction and Episode Overview
  • (00:01:19) - IT vs OT Security Mindsets
  • (00:02:03) - Zero Trust Challenges in OT Environments
  • (00:05:12) - Remote Access and Change Management Conflicts
  • (00:09:00) - Who Should Learn from Whom: IT or OT?
  • (00:10:23) - Asset Inventory: What OT Engineers Don't Know
  • (00:15:00) - Process Integrity and Operational Value
  • (00:21:57) - Shadow IT: The Backdoors Nobody Talks About
  • (00:26:00) - Designing Security Into New Equipment
  • (00:28:00) - Digital Safety vs Physical Safety

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Dispelling IT/OT Convergence Challenges and Myths28 Oct 202500:22:21

In this episode, Craig and Dino tackle IT/OT convergence, operational technology security, and manufacturing cybersecurity challenges head-on.

They challenge the notion of OT being a "shadow IT group" and explore the fundamental differences between IT and OT operations in industrial environments.

The discussion emphasizes that OT focuses on safety and physical outcomes, while IT prioritizes data security.

They stress the importance of collaboration between IT and OT teams, highlighting how system integrators, OEMs, and plant operators must work together to improve cybersecurity posture.

The conversation covers practical issues like Overall Equipment Effectiveness (OEE), incident response, and the need for proper funding and governance.

Both advocate for CISOs and CIOs to actively engage with OT teams and system integrators, visit manufacturing facilities, and understand the unique challenges of industrial control systems to achieve true convergence and protect manufacturing plants and critical infrastructure.

Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 - Opening Shot: Who’s Really in Charge—CIOs or the Plant Floor?
  • 00:00:57 - Collision Course: IT and OT Can’t Keep Dodging Each Other
  • 00:01:52 - Two Worlds, One Mission: Why OT Isn’t Just “IT in a Hard Hat”
  • 00:04:07 - When Convergence Fails: What’s Missing in the Middle
  • 00:05:54 - Breaking Silos: Why Cybersecurity Demands True Collaboration
  • 00:08:22 - Real Talk: What Cyber Protection Looks Like on the Plant Floor
  • 00:10:46 - OT’s Tipping Point: Will the Next Move Come from IT, or the Shop Floor?
  • 00:17:32 - Your Move: What Leaders Must Do Next (Before It’s Too Late)

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What Actually Works in OT Vulnerability Management with Dan Cartmill, TXOne Networks21 Oct 202500:31:18

In this episode of the Industrial Cybersecurity Insider, host Dino sits down with Dan Cartmill, Sr. Global Product Marketing Director for TXOne Networks, to discuss the often misunderstood world of OT vulnerability management.

Dan brings a unique perspective, having started as a practitioner 17 years ago, before transitioning to the vendor side. The conversation explores why simply creating a list of vulnerabilities isn't enough – and what organizations should actually be doing to reduce risk in their OT environments.

Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 - Introduction and Dan's Background
  • 00:02:00 - Biggest Misconceptions About OT Vulnerability Management
  • 00:04:00 - Blind Spots in OT Vulnerability Scanning
  • 00:07:00 - Finding Vulnerabilities: OT vs IT Differences
  • 00:10:00 - Proactive Approaches to Unknown Vulnerabilities
  • 00:12:00 - How TX One Addresses Vulnerabilities Non-Disruptively
  • 00:15:00 - Virtual Patching and Operations-First Philosophy
  • 00:18:00 - IT/OT Convergence and Team Collaboration
  • 00:21:00 - Building Relationships with Third-Party Partners
  • 00:23:00 - Tabletop Exercises and Incident Response Planning
  • 00:26:00 - Key Takeaway: Never Forget Your Original Objectives
  • 00:28:00 - Dealing with Event Overload and Zero-Day Vulnerabilities

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Industrial Cybersecurity: The Gap Between Investment and Cyber Event Prevention14 Oct 202500:33:54

In this episode, Craig and Dino address why manufacturers still suffer incidents after spending millions on OT security tools. They discuss how to convert those investments into measurable risk reduction.

You'll learn why buying tools isn't a strategy. Get insights into how to validate asset visibility on the floor (not just the network map), practical ways to reduce alert fatigue and assign ownership, how to close the OT incident response gap by connecting SOC to operators, the realities of flat Layer 2 networks and undocumented zones, how to handle technical debt at scale (EOL firmware, unpatched HMIs, safe upgrade paths), and why "everyone is responsible" often means no one is.

Expect candid discussion on alert fatigue, flat networks, and the human constraints driving today's gaps, plus a concrete checklist for building a coalition that actually works to protect production environments.

Chapters

00:00:00 – Why incidents still happen after major OT cyber spend

00:02:30 – Tools vs. outcomes: underusing capabilities and alert fatigue

00:05:50 – Who owns plant‑floor cyber? Why CISOs, CIOs, OEMs, and SIs talk past each other

00:08:10 – Define the use case before tuning sensors and policies

00:10:00 – OT IR is missing: operators are the first responders

00:11:20 – Network reality check: flat L2, VLAN gaps, and unmanaged switches

00:13:30 – Change management and patching in OT: risk, downtime, and technical debt

00:15:20 – Skills and staffing: the silver tsunami and "jack of all trades" constraints

00:18:00 – What outside partners can and cannot do in plants

00:21:00 – Visibility blind spots: validating coverage with floor‑level walkthroughs

00:24:00 – It won’t stick without a coalition: getting plant managers, engineering, OEMs, and SOC aligned

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