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In the Making

Baratunde Thurston, Ashleigh Gardere, Michael McAfee

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Frequency: 1 episode/7d. Total Eps: 9

This nation is still in the making. We the People? We're in the making too. In the Making is a new series from PolicyLink hosted by Baratunde Thurston, featuring kitchen table conversations with PolicyLink CEO Michael McAfee and President Ashleigh Gardere. Together, they explore how to redesign the nation so that it serves all people.

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Building What’s Next

Season 1 · Episode 91

Thursday, July 9, 2026 • Duration 30:08

On the final episode of “In the Making,” host Baratunde Thurston joins PolicyLink President Ashleigh Gardere and CEO Michael McAfee to discuss becoming the founders of a democracy that works for all, at the 250th anniversary of our nation. This episode brings the series full circle, moving from fixing what's broken to building what's next. They explore the often erased history of Indigenous democracy that existed on these lands before European colonization—the Haudenosaunee Confederacy's Great Law of Peace, which centered women in governance, reciprocal relationship with nature, and seven-generation thinking. For 250 years, the people excluded the most—Indigenous peoples, Black abolitionists, suffragettes, Civil Rights advocates, immigrant rights activists—have done the work to bring us closer to that promise. The conversation gets into what this re-founding requires: remembering our power without romanticizing the struggle, designing for all so identity-based complaints become unnecessary, and understanding that mutual aid, charity, and systemic redesign must happen in tandem. They draw lessons from global movements for truth and reconciliation, from post-Apartheid South Africa to post-Holocaust Germany, for ideas of what it could look like to reckon with our past in order to build a new future. We end on the fact that the future we want and deserve, a real democracy where everyone has what the need to thrive is in the making right now—and it’s our work to do together.

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Claiming the 14th Amendment’s Power

Thursday, July 2, 2026 • Duration 29:11

What if the most powerful tool for democracy has been in our hands all along? In Episode 8 of In the Making, host Baratunde Thurston joins PolicyLink President Ashleigh Gardere and CEO Michael McAfee to explore how the 13th and 14th Amendments are living tools for us to build a democracy for all—not just 150-year-old texts reserved for lawyers and judges. Policies and programs alone can't create lasting change because they can be dismantled by the next election or court ruling. But grounding movement work in constitutional law offers a path to durable progress that can't be easily reversed. Instead of treating the Constitution as static or irrelevant, they reframe the 13th and 14th Amendments as underused tools that belong to all of us. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery and established that "all must mean all," while the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection and requires government's affirmative duty to deliver safe water, excellent schools, healthcare, and good jobs for everyone. They imagine how we could become "14th Amendment people" who build collective identity around fairness for all—similar to how First Amendment and Second Amendment advocates have rooted their movements in constitutional identity. This is about demanding what the Constitution already provides, and making change permanent because the people won't accept anything less. About "In The Making" Hosted by Baratunde Thurston and featuring PolicyLink President Ashleigh Gardere and CEO Michael McAfee, "In the Making" explores how we redesign the nation to serve all. About PolicyLink PolicyLink is a national research and action institute working to redesign this nation so that it governs for all. Subscribe for more conversations on how to design our democracy to serve all. #InTheMaking #PolicyLink #RacialEquity #EconomicJustice #America250 #WeAreTheFounders #GoverningForAll

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