Explore every episode of the podcast I Couldn’t Throw It Out
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| Ice-T: Never-heard 1991 interview | 30 Aug 2024 | 01:08:13 | |
Hear the rapper and actor talk about crime, Hollywood, racism, and more -- before he was a Law & Order SVU detective and just after he created the metal band Body Count In 1991, Ice-T had just appeared in the movie New Jack City -- and his rap albums were defining what was then an unusual style of west coast gangsta rap. Since then, I couldn’t throw out the tape of my interview – which lasted well over an hour. But I hadn’t shared it with anyone, until now. For me, it was surprising to hear Ice-T’s 1991 thoughts on topics that are still relevant. His commentary on Donald Trump was different from what it would be now. But our discussion of Clarence Thomas could have happened yesterday. We also talked about education, racism, poverty, crime, the police, censorship, fatherhood, politics, the army, Hollywood, and – of course – the origin of gangsta rap. So much happened in Ice-T's life after our talk. A year later, he caused a national controversy when his metal band Body Count released the song “Cop Killer.” The song was banned and became an election talking point for the first George Bush and his vice president Dan Quayle. Later, Ice-T appeared in dozens of TV shows and movies – with his most prominent credit being 25 years on Law & Order SVU. Most of all, this flashback interview reminded me of the sharpness and openness of Ice-T’s mind. And his strength, which helped him bounce back from losing both parents as a child and ultimately allowed him to leave his rough street life in South-Central L.A. If you want more about Ice-T's current life, you’ll find links to articles about his wife Coco, his three kids, his exhibit at Harvard, his online bonding with Stephen King, his support of vaccination, his bulldogs, his podcast, and more on the I Couldn't Throw It Out blog. Ice-T Photo by Sven Mandel via Wikimedia Commons Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Scary! Stephen King and Peter Straub's lost interview | 06 Jul 2024 | 01:13:23 | |
When I interviewed Stephen King and Peter Straub in 1984 about their fantasy novel The Talisman, their book was breaking records for hardcover sales. But the fame of their collaboration has faded over the years. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| 2Pac's 1991 Interview: Kindness and Rage | 20 Oct 2023 | 01:06:54 | |
Tupac Shakur talks about his violent arrest for jaywalking; his Black Panther family; Hollywood hypocrisy; and his program for poor urban kids. Plus, special guests discuss his contradictions (explicit) Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Dance great Martha Graham: Hear This Genius at 95 | 29 Sep 2023 | 00:48:05 | |
Helen Keller’s friend, Hitler’s defier, Woody Allen’s teacher – the dancer who jolted America with moves you now see on TV, movies and music videos told me great tales in 1989. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| How I Blew It at the Movie Premiere for Tootsie | 19 Aug 2023 | 00:45:42 | |
As Dustin Hoffman, Andy Warhol, and Robert De Niro watched, did I ruin Bill Murray's night at the 1982 post-screening party? Former SNL writer Tom Gammill helps us decide. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| John Flansburgh - They Might Be Giants Memories | 21 Jul 2023 | 00:48:10 | |
With help from They Might Be Giants' John Flansburgh, it's time to toss treasures that I saved after writing the band's first 1985 review in People Magazine. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Three Interviews: Cronin, Basquiat and Barris | 09 Jan 2023 | 00:30:36 | |
Hear the 1984 interview tape with this random trio: REO Speedwagon's Kevin Cronin, painter Jean-Michel Basquiat, and Gong Show host Chuck Barris Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Surprise! Shocking Twists in a Family Tree | 28 Dec 2022 | 01:05:47 | |
A 45-year-old tape recording about family ancestry leads to revelations about a kidnapped rabbi, a Johnstown drowning, two horrible car accidents, and connections to a hay barn in Lithuania, the New York Times management, Baltimore's symphony hall, and Joe Biden's junior high baseball team. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Kiefer Sutherland's Very First Interview | 17 Dec 2022 | 00:45:58 | |
In 1983, 16-year-old Kiefer Sutherland met me in Nova Scotia to discuss his first big movie role. Hear how he felt about actor dad Donald -- and how I messed up my People Magazine story. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Perfect Match, Part 2: A Kidney Transplant Tale | 26 Nov 2022 | 00:57:45 | |
When my wife Cindy's health declined after two kidney transplants, how would she find a third organ donor? Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Perfect Match, Part 1: A Kidney Transplant Tale | 26 Nov 2022 | 00:57:46 | |
At 20, my wife Cindy thought she was about to die. Following a lupus diagnosis at 15, her kidneys had shut down in a way that seemed fatal. But after devastating years on dialysis, many near-death experiences, and three kidney transplants, Cindy is going strong 46 years later. Her optimism and determination to survive, and the joy she got from painting and creating art, kept her going through each crushing health challenge. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Gangsta rapper Eazy-E: Our Final Meeting [Explicit] | 05 Nov 2022 | 00:50:03 | |
Rap mogul Eazy-E's death from AIDS complications in 1995 was a shock. Hear reactions at the time from Wu-Tang's Method Man and others. Plus, hear my 1992 talk with Eazy while driving in Compton during the L.A. riots. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Love, Mom: Mother's Day advice from a 98-year-old mom | 10 May 2024 | 00:42:51 | |
The best way to honor your mother -- on Mother's Day or any other day? We wanted to figure that out. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Gangsta rapper Eazy-E: My Compton Interview [Explicit] | 05 Nov 2022 | 00:59:14 | |
Compton's rap mogul and NWA founder Eazy-E hanging out with me? Unlikely. But it happened in 1991 when I interviewed him for my 1992 book Break It Down: The Inside Story from the New Leaders of Rap. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Novelist Joseph Kanon and His Sneaky Assistant | 30 Sep 2022 | 00:54:19 | |
When bestselling spy novelist Joseph Kanon was a book publisher and I was his assistant, I secretly sent out letters in which I pretended to be the boss. Until the Brooke Shields incident. Listen as Joe learns what really happened in 1979. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| High School Poet: Donna Murphy Gets Literary | 03 Sep 2022 | 00:50:41 | |
Broadway? Movies? TV? That's nuthin'. Stage and screen actress Donna Murphy first found fame on the high school literary magazine staff with Michael and Sally. Listen in as they read poems by Donna and others 50 years later -- and get a big surprise. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Flashdance's Jennifer Beals: My 1983 Interview Tape | 13 Aug 2022 | 00:52:15 | |
When 19-year-old Jennifer Beals enrolled at Yale – after starring in 1983's Flashdance -- she couldn't escape a People Magazine interview in which I tried to impress her with my academic credentials. Listen in as I replay her patient response to my ridiculous cringe-worthy mistakes. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Joni Mitchell: Our Day Together in 1985 | 03 Jun 2022 | 01:07:49 | |
In 1985, Joni Mitchell gave me a multi-hour interview for People Magazine about flunking high school, Woodstock, Bob Dylan, her Chelsea apartment, poetry, painting, and much more -- which you'll hear in this episode. Oh, c'mon. Do not ask me to toss those tapes. (Part 1 of 2.) Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| I Couldn't Throw It Out - Trailer | 02 Jun 2022 | 00:05:30 | |
It ain't gonna be easy to throw out never-shared interviews with Joni Mitchell, Kiefer Sutherland, Eazy-E, and many others. That's the challenge coming up on I Couldn't Throw It Out. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Joni Mitchell: 1985 Interview - Her Wonderful Tales | 30 May 2022 | 00:54:13 | |
When I interviewed Joni Mitchell for People Magazine in 1985, some of her best tales were the longer ones. Hear a few of them, including how she met Jimi Hendrix, why Jack Nicholson missed his cameo in her song, and a recitation of her 7th grade poem. No way will I ever toss this tape. (Part 2 of 2) Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Why Do We Save Things? Can We Throw Them Out? | 28 May 2022 | 00:25:11 | |
In the first episode of our podcast, my co-host Sally Libby and I try to figure out why I -- and others -- feel the urge to save things. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Adults and stuffed animals: Can we bear to part? | 19 Apr 2024 | 00:45:14 | |
Some of us just can't toss our furry friends from childhood. And we're not talking about a cute new collection of plushies. We're talking about stuffed animals with some history, saved for decades till fur and eyes are missing. Why do we save them? And what do we do with them now? To get answers, we've asked adults to tell us about their much-loved cloth animals, including the tale of two German teddy bears who escaped the Nazis, and brought a precious secret cargo with them. Hear their stories, then tell us about your own stuffed animal. Send us a message on Instagram @throwitoutpod – and we'll share selections so everyone can honor our enduring companions. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Memories of Melanie: A friend shares fun times with the singer | 21 Mar 2024 | 01:01:22 | |
When singer/songwriter Melanie Safka died in January, many people remembered her for the #1 pop song "Brand New Key" (also known as the roller skate song.) But those of us who loved her know that her biggest hit never conveyed the richness of her career and her talents. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| The Funniest Movie You Never Saw | 23 Feb 2024 | 00:49:49 | |
Why should you watch Eli Wallach and Anne Jackson in 1967's long-lost-comic gem The Tiger Makes Out? Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Swedish Death Cleaning: Meet the World's Experts | 27 Jan 2024 | 00:52:09 | |
Welcome to the invasion of the most entertaining people in Sweden -- who want all of us earthlings to start thinking about... death. Yup, it sounds kooky. But, in this episode, we have a blast absorbing the wit and wisdom of three experts on Swedish Death Cleaning. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Olympic Figure Skating: Meg's Rink-side Adventures | 06 Jan 2024 | 00:50:48 | |
Covering live Olympic figure skating on TV is no easy task. Just ask Meg Streeter Lauck, who worked for 23 years as a director for ABC Sports and other networks. Her behind-the-scenes tales -- which she shares in this episode -- reveal how her team nabbed the perfect shot of Canadian skating champions Sale and Pelletier at the 2002 Olympics. Plus, she recreates the thrill of first seeing 13-year-old Dorothy Hamill on the ice, and the sadness of a visit to an NYC fire station after 9/11. Will telling these tales help Meg make the leap -- and toss some of her stuff? Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Diana Ross: Three Crazy New York Nights | 19 Dec 2023 | 00:48:42 | |
How fun was VIP access to Diana's '80s concerts? Very -- if you liked chatting with Andy Warhol, stalking Richard Gere, and dancing with Diana on a party boat at 1:30 AM Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Theresa Rebeck on Her Broadway Play, I Need That | 10 Nov 2023 | 00:35:58 | |
With Danny DeVito and his daughter Lucy starring in her play about our favorite topic, Theresa tells us how she cast them, why she wrote it, what she saves, and what she tosses Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Kooky reunion: 67-year-olds perform their 5th grade play | 11 Oct 2024 | 01:00:29 | |
Does a 1967 elementary school magazine -- or a fifth grade school play -- still have value? Only if you’re looking for lost memories, new insights, and hilarity Somewhere in your home, you might have saved at least one treasure from elementary school. The question is: Why did you save it? The only way to find out: Hunt for your ancient objects and see what revelations they bring to your adult life. At least that’s what Sally and I decided to do. After I found a play and three copies of a school magazine that I had saved since fifth grade, we used the Interwebs to track down five other people who created those masterpieces with us. Then we made them revive their original roles in the play and read poems, jokes, and gossip from the magazine, all written when we were 10. They also shared some of their own elementary school treasures, before we determined the fate of everything we’d saved. It might seem absurd for seven adults to go back to their fifth grade writings. Which is why partly why we did it. A little absurdity is a lot of fun. But here’s the surprise: we also had revelations about our lives, thoughts that would never have come to us if we left those objects unseen in the attic, waiting for someone to toss them. We hope our fifth grade gang will inspire you to start searching for your own elementary school friends. Then stage your version of our kooky reunion, where you just might get useful insights into who you were as children and how it affected you for the rest of your life. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Listen up! A Violin Lesson With Strings Attached | 27 Nov 2024 | 00:57:27 | |
Inheriting a violin is wonderful. But what if it comes with instructions that it must be played? And you resorted to violence as a kid to get out of playing? Then what? -------------- If you’re lucky enough to inherit something from someone you really love, that’s usually a good thing. But everyone once in a while, it’s not so simple. What happens when you inherit something that was loved by the person who gave it – but maybe you don’t feel quite the same way about it? That’s the puzzle we try to solve as we consider the fate of two violins I inherited a few years ago from my father. One of them came with a heartfelt note he wrote, asking for it to be played daily and kept in the family forever. That’s a tall order. Especially for me, considering that I studied the violin for 10 years as a child to please my father. And secretly committed acts of violence to try to get out of it. To determine what to do with my father’s violins, I needed expert help. So I consult Diane Mellon, the manager of David Segal Violins, a wondrous stringed instrument purveyor in New York City. Not only has that shop serviced several genuine Stradivarius violins, but they also have provided violin consulting for top performers like Midori, Joshua Bell and Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg. To get a different perspective, Sally and I also consult Rachel Kuklinski, a cousin of mine who, like me, was persuaded to play the violin as a child. But she rebelled much more openly than I did. Why is music so important to some families? And why the violin? Can anyone learn to make beautiful music? And what should I do with my father’s violins – along with stacks of sheet music and other mementos of musical events? If you played an instrument as a child, the conclusions we reach just might be helpful to you too. Listen and find out. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Christmas Gifts and Hanukkah Cards: Toss or keep? | 23 Dec 2024 | 00:45:21 | |
Get out the holiday treasures you’ve saved for years, and join us as we decide why we kept them and what to do with them. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| How Keith Haring Changed Art: Hear Him in '83 | 24 Jan 2025 | 00:58:36 | |
His graffiti in NYC subways made him a world-wide art star before his death at 31. Hear my 1983 interview as Haring answers his critics, plus: a chat about Keith with Andy Warhol Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Sending a Valentine's Day card? 10 rules to follow | 09 Feb 2025 | 00:29:55 | |
Learn a lesson from the Valentine’s Day cards I’ve saved since the ‘70s: 10 important rules for sending cards to the ones you love, and tips for deciding which love notes to save ----- If you’re sending Valentine’s Day cards this year, there are some key rules to follow -- and mistakes to avoid. I know this because I’ve been saving Valentines since the 1970s. So I can see which ones got right to the heart of it and which sent Cupid’s arrows slightly off target. Looking through my card collection, co-host Sally Libby and I came up with 10 rules that could help you find the right words for romance this year. We also try to show some love for the art of Swedish Death Cleaning -- by including tips about which Valentines Day cards to save, and which to toss. Like, what should you do with romantic cards from a former partner in love? We have strong feelings about that. In the end, we experienced a sort of Valentines Day miracle. After two years of podcasting, I finally had the urge to toss my treasures. Okay, not all of them. But my stash did get smaller. So I've shared why I sent some treasures to the trash can, and what might motivate you to do the same. As Sally points out in our quick look at Valentine's Day history, a celebration of love can be traced all the way back to the Roman holiday Lupercalia. Considering the chaos and ugliness we've seen in 2025, it seems important to preserve any holiday that increases our love and laughter. I know I’m not the only one who wants a little more love in the world right now. To see the most lovable and funniest Valentines Day cards I received during the past five decades, go to throwitoutpodcast.com. (And while you’re there, we’d really feel the love if you’d sign up for our newsletter – so we can update you whenever there’s a new episode.) Thank you for listening! (Farting Cupid card from Carlton Cards, Cleveland Ohio.) Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Nicolas Cage goes wild? Yes, and no. Hear him in 1994 | 02 May 2025 | 00:57:45 | |
Nic Cage delivers another explosive performance in the new movie "The Surfer." But the actor I interviewed was somebody else. ---------- When I talked with Nicolas Cage on the phone for an hour in 1994, he already had a bit of a reputation for going ballistic in movies. Just the crazed cockroach-eating scene in Vampire's Kiss was enough to give a guy a reputation. But lo and behold, he told me a lot of things I didn't expect. For starters, he's very shy off-screen and he felt like a reject in high school. Plus, he was reading Henry Miller and Rimbaud, enjoying Wagner's music, and – despite the plot of his new film "The Surfer" – he tried surfing and felt it was too difficult. Cage's filmography is so huge – about 124 movies so far – that I couldn't absorb it all. So it's lucky I got help from Ty Burr – the former culture critic for the Boston Globe (where he was a finalist for a Pulitzer) and author of several books about movies. Ty now writes the terrific movie newsletter Ty Burr's Watch List. During the episode, Ty lists all the Cage movies you'll want to stream, and the ones you can avoid. Very useful! After I found and listened again to my 1994 interview with Nic – which I had completely forgotten -- I decided to rewatch three of his movies from that year. One was very fun and worth watching (Guarding Tess with Shirley McLaine). Two were, for me, barely watchable (Trapped in Paradise with with Jon Lovitz and Dana Carvey and It Could Happen To You with Bridget Fonda). Nic's fourth 1994 movie Red Rock West – which I loved when I saw it back then – isn't streaming anywhere. Injustice! But I remember it well enough to confirm a highlight of all these films: Nic Cage's performance. I discovered that I'm a major Cage fan. And that's the beauty of saving things. When you got back to them, you learn something new. The real surprise in this episode: I take that old cassette tape in my hand, and I do something I'm supposed to do in every episode – and never do. I guess Nic Cage gave me the inspiration to go a little crazy. In a good way, of course. Maybe he'll do the same for you? Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| The Lost Interview: Led Zeppelin’s Page and Plant | 19 Mar 2025 | 01:14:25 | |
Hear my never-shared 1995 talk with Jimmy Page and Robert Plant about their music, books, diets, girlfriends, hair loss, Led Zeppelin myths, and their Unledded reunion ----- If you find it hard to visualize Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and Robert Plant in a People Magazine article, I’m with you. The People article I reported and wrote about them in 1995 was never published. So the cassette tapes of my interview went into a box, like a heavy metal time capsule. Until now. When I saw the rave reviews for the 2025 documentary Becoming Led Zeppelin – about the early career of the band –- I dug out everything I had saved from my canceled story, and I’m sharing it with you now. In 1994, Page and Plant had reunited after a 14-year hiatus to record an unplugged session for MTV. This resulted in an album called No Quarter: Jimmy Page and Robert Plant Unledded. Then they went on a 1995 U.S. and European tour, performing some new songs and several Led Zeppelin songs that had been re-conceived with an orchestra, a team of Egyptian musicians, some young rockers, and a hurdy gurdy player. The project raised some questions: Why did they wait 14 years after the death of drummer John Bonham to reunite? Why was bass and keyboard player John Paul Jones not included? Would they still live out the wild myths of rock’n’roll excess that supposedly took place in their heyday? Because this assignment was for People Magazine, I also had the courage to broach the truly vital issues: what they ate for lunch, who they lived with, what they read, and how they kept in shape. The big belated surprise: Because Led Zeppelin's music was ubiquitous for my whole life, I viewed them as a cliché. But, after hearing my tapes again and listening to their music, I finally get what many of my high school classmates knew back in the 1970s. And I understand why Page and Plant are among the bestselling artists of all time, nearly up there with the Beatles and Michael Jackson. It’s because they're extremely smart and talented, and they're amazing musicians. I now hear the technical difficulty and the perfectionism in their performances. They aren't dinosaurs of rock. They're innovators, who invented something new and powerful. Joined by Led Zeppelin aficionado George Meyer – who also happens to be my friend and a renowned TV, movie, magazine, and theater writer – I revisited everything I saved from my ill-fated story and determined what I could throw out. Yes, some things got tossed. But you can see what I saved at: throwitoutpodcast.com After all these years, I hope you enjoy hearing these lost interviews. Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Carl Sagan and Stormy Daniels: Workplace gems? | 12 Jul 2025 | 00:50:50 | |
Treasures saved from past jobs spark memories of a scientist, a porn star, The Pet Shop Boys, The Partridge Family, and long-lost websites ------------------------------- Man, do we ever spend a lot of time at work. That's one reason why I felt compelled to save things from the places I worked, to remind me how I spent so much of my time. I always suspected that I wasn't the only one who did this. And now, I have proof. Four friends -- who worked at various offices with me -- agreed to join in a little Swedish Death Cleaning, to decide what we should do with the treasures we saved. The result: Some plot twists that I never would have predicted. For instance, journalist Alan Carter, who worked with me at People Magazine, had forgotten that he reported a story about a 2007 porn convention. But the memories came back when he uncovered a pile of press badges, including his porn credentials. Suddenly, Alan remembered having a long chat with Stormy Daniels. Did he imagine she'd become famous world-wide? No. Was he wrong? Yes. And that's why it pays to save things. Then there's former website manager Brett Mickelson – who now owns a Boston-area skydiving company called Boston Sky Dive Center. Brett brought out a photo of Carl Sagan, previously on display in the office that he used to share with me at NBC News. Why Carl Sagan? Well, only Brett can explain. But this prompted me to enlist a surprise guest who also loved Carl, but in a different way. Unlike Brett and Alan, graphic designer Berndt Abeck – who worked with me on a redesign of Rolling Stone's website -- didn't save little things from work. Berndt saved only huge things. Specifically, massive 6-foot paintings of 1990s album covers for British new-wave bands, which are still on the walls of his San Francisco design firm Abeck Inc. Now that's what you call commitment to your savings. Another graphic designer, Stella Anastasia, who worked with me at Entertainment Weekly's website, is now making greeting cards you can eat, with her New York company Tart Break. Clearly, Stella's got the genetics of a saver. She actually saved print-outs of all the website designs she created in the 1990s, depicting search engines and ancient technology that is now long gone. It's Internet history that would have been lost, if Stella hadn't kept it for future generations. Go, Stella! Last of all, I decided to revisit an awkward gift from my days as a People Magazine reporter. The giver -- Marty Ingels -- was a well-known comedian. Plus, his wife actress/singer Shirley Jones – who starred in movie musicals like Oklahoma and Carousel and later became the mom on 1970s TV series The Partridge Family – was a kind of superstar. But – considering that you probably haven't heard of either of them – let this be a lesson. Fame is fleeting. Unless, of course, you give a gift to me. Then I'll make a podcast episode about it, and you'll live forever! If you've got stuff you saved from work, dig it out! Share the memories with your own friends, and put your treasures on display. Or maybe – do better than we did – and throw them out? Stormy Daniels photo: Lukeisback.com, CC BY-SA 2.5, Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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| Swedish Death Cleaning - A global challenge? | 11 Sep 2025 | 00:39:15 | |
The director and cast of the TV series Waack Girls (Amazon Prime) explain why saving stuff is so common in India, and around the world -------------- If you ever suspected that an obsession with saving things is a mostly American habit, here's proof that it ain't so. Sooni Taraporevala -- who wrote the screenplays for Salaam Bombay!, Mississippi Masala, The Namesake, Yeh Ballet, and other movies -- recently told me that she's been saving treasures in Mumbai, India since she was 5. In other words, it's an intergenerational, international pastime. Who knew? As it turns out, Sooni and Waack Girls stars, Mekhola Bose and Rytasha Rathore, have profound insights into why we save things. But then, I'm sorry to say they were exposed to a bad influence: me. Yes, I could have taught them to clean out their closets with some Swedish Death Cleaning. Alas, that isn't exactly what happened when they joined as guests on I Couldn't Throw It Out. Hear the stories behind the things they've saved for years. Plus, find out about the wild dance style called waacking, which inspired Sooni to co-write and direct the TV series Waack Girls (on Amazon Prime). It's based loosely on the life of the main character, played by our podcast guest Mekhola Bose. Maybe hearing and watching Mekhola will inspire you to try some new fancy moves. That -- like saving treasures for decades -- is something you can do in any country around the world. (To see Sooni, Mekhola and Rytasha's treasures, go to throwitoutpodcast.com.) Have thoughts about this episode? Send us a text
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