Hank Green is a creator and science communicator who desperately wants us to realize how bizarre and special we are. Every week he has a conversation with one of the eight billion weirdos living on planet Earth. 

John disapproves of his brother's new podcast entirely, but is happy to be here. They talk about why John's worried about Hank, why being in favor of humans is now counter-cultural, if John's seminary training might have helped the brothers' internet success, and what Mark Twain has to do with any of it. They have spent years talking publicly together — but not like this.

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Wyna Liu is the maker of one of Hank's favorite games: Connections. In the New York Times game, players sort 16 words into four categories. Wyna and Hank geek out on what makes a great puzzle, why low-stakes activities matter, and how a category game ended up funding some of the best journalism in the world. Plus: Wyna hits Hank hard with the idea that no effort is wasted when you're a maker.

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