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Herb Your Enthusiasm – Kalamunda Garden Festival 2026 (Part 2)

In Part 2 of our coverage from the Kalamunda Garden Festival, we continue our conversations with three passionate guests who each bring a unique perspective to the world of gardening, horticulture, and the tools that support them.

First, I sit down with Chloe Thomson, founder of Sprout School, horticulturist, educator, presenter, writer, and passionate advocate for gardening as a tool for environmental and personal wellbeing. Chloe shares her experiences helping people build confidence in the garden, encouraging biodiversity in urban landscapes, and fostering deeper connections between people and nature. Our conversation explores the power of gardening to create healthier communities, support local wildlife, and inspire the next generation of gardeners.

Next, I chat with Jamie from East to West Tools, a specialist supplier of premium Japanese gardening and woodworking tools. Jamie shares the history and philosophy behind traditional Japanese toolmaking, exploring how centuries-old craftsmanship, attention to detail, and a culture of continual refinement have influenced the design of some of the world's finest hand tools. We discuss why Japanese secateurs, saws, and pruning equipment have developed such a loyal following among gardeners, arborists, and horticultural professionals, and what Australian gardeners can learn from the Japanese approach to working with plants.

Finally, I speak with John Colwill, Vice President of the Araluen Botanic Park Foundation. John offers insights into the challenges and opportunities facing Western Australian gardens in a changing climate. We discuss water-wise gardening principles, plant selection, landscape resilience, and the important role botanic gardens play in conservation, education, and connecting communities with the natural world.

Recorded live at the 2026 Kalamunda Garden Festival, this episode showcases the knowledge, experience, and passion that make the festival such a valuable gathering for gardeners of all skill levels.

Guests Featured

Chloe Thomson – Founder of Sprout School
Chloe Thomson is a horticulturist, educator, presenter, writer, and content creator best known as the founder of Sprout School, one of Australia's leading online gardening education programs. Through Sprout School, Chloe has helped thousands of gardeners build the confidence and practical skills needed to create thriving gardens, regardless of their experience level. A familiar voice across podcasts, radio, social media, industry events, and gardening publications, Chloe is passionate about making horticultural knowledge approachable, engaging, and accessible to everyday gardeners. She is also the creator of Bean There Dug That, where she combines expert advice with practical, real-world gardening inspiration.

Jamie – East to West Tools
A passionate advocate for traditional Japanese toolmaking, Jamie specialises in sourcing and supplying premium Japanese gardening and woodworking tools to Australian gardeners and tradespeople. Drawing on centuries of Japanese craftsmanship and design philosophy, East to West Tools helps connect professionals and enthusiasts with tools renowned for their precision, durability, and exceptional cutting performance. In this conversation, Jamie explores the cultural traditions behind Japanese tools and why they have earned such a devoted following around the world.

John Colwill – Vice President, Araluen Botanic Park Foundation
A respected horticultural leader and advocate for public gardens, John helps guide the stewardship of one of Western Australia's most treasured botanical destinations. With extensive experience in horticulture, landscape management, conservation, and environmental education, he is passionate about helping gardeners adapt to a changing climate through thoughtful plant selection, water-wise gardening, and sustainable landscape practices. His work focuses on preserving horticultural heritage while promoting resilient, environmentally responsible gardening for future generations.

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In this special episode of Herb Your Enthusiasm, we head back to the 2026 Kalamunda Garden Festival, one of Western Australia's premier gardening events. Held in the Perth Hills, the festival brought together thousands of plant lovers, specialist growers, gardening experts and community groups for a day packed with inspiration, education and all things horticulture. From rare plants and regenerative gardening to waterwise landscaping and edible gardens, this episode captures the atmosphere, conversations and passion that make the Kalamunda Garden Festival such a highlight of the WA gardening calendar.

Featured speakers include:

Connie Cao – Passionate edible gardener and educator specialising in growing Asian vegetables, productive gardens and food-growing in small spaces.

Craig Castree – Regenerative gardening advocate and educator focused on soil health, biological gardening and sustainable food production.

Tammy Huynh – Indoor plant specialist and founder of Leafing Around, helping plant owners better understand and care for their indoor jungles.

Whether you're a seasoned horticulturist, a backyard grower or simply plant-curious, this episode offers a snapshot of the ideas, expertise and enthusiasm that make the Kalamunda Garden Festival a standout event on the Western Australian gardening calendar. 🌿🎙️🌱

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Had a ball on day 2 of the Perth garden show! 
Stoked to introduce you all to a crowd favourite - the legendary Dean Arthurell AKA The carnaby's crusader.
Enjoy.

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I spent the day soaking up the sights, sounds, and soil-stained goodness of the 2025 Perth Garden Show at McCallum Park, great vibes!
Right by the Swan River, the place was packed with plant lovers, growers, weekend diggers, and sustainability legends from across WA.

There were lush display gardens to explore, passionate stallholders sharing tips, and loads of hands-on wisdom flying around—from native planting and permaculture to composting, worm farms, and water-wise tricks. 
The Rewilding Zone was buzzing all day, where I got to set up shop next to Mel from Rewilding Suburbia and chat with some inspiring humans about bringing nature back into our suburbs.

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Another Kalamunda garden festival in the can baby!

Perfect weather.
This was the busiest festival we've been a part of and Stirk park was heaving with punters!
Enjoy hearing from legends of Australian gardening and horticulture including Stephen Ryan, Derryn Thorpe, Neville Passmore.

Grab your tickets for the next here:
https://kalamundagardenfestival.com.au/

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On todays pod we have repeat-guest; Brendon Carrick.
Brendon is a certified aquascaping contractor known as the “Ecosystem Gardener.” He specializes in creating naturalized water features, including ponds, streams, and wetlands, aiming to enhance outdoor spaces by integrating aquatic ecosystems.   His work has been featured on ABC’s “Gardening Australia,” highlighting his unique approach to aquatic landscaping. 

Brendon shares his projects and insights on Instagram under the handle @ecosystem_gardener, where he showcases his work on various aquatic installations.

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Enjoy A+ gardening content with plant-mad legends from the Kalamunda garden festival. 

Guests (not in order)
- Hannah Moloney - ABC Presenter
- Dan Rubick - Botanist
- Brenna Quinlan - Australian educator and Illustrator
- Matty B - Eco-warrior and green Entrepeneur
- Michael - Owner of small business - Wick and Grow 
- David - Co-owner of "Made for the earth" Plant nursery 
- Sean - Etheliana wildflowers
- Jo Bussell - Urban Revolution concept store

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Quite a special one today. 
Perth city farm is a cultural hub and urban jewel in East Perth.
On this special day, the 30th birthday of city farm, I sat down with its founder - Rosanne Scott to discuss the urban farms' interesting history.
For anyone interested in growing food, permaculture, living sustainably, we highly recommend checking out CF's socials or heading down for a coffee to see it in person.

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Had a chat with horticulturalist Sally Dighton of Geraldton.

Stoked to introduce you guys to another wild and awesome person with a passion for WA Flora.

Finad Sally here:
https://www.salthegardeninggal.com.au/

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Certified Aquascaping contractor; Dan O'Callaghan of NatureBuild Australia joined me for the second time to riff about what he's been up to with his awesome landscaping company.
Natural, chlorine-free pools, pondless streams and gorgeous waterfalls are his specialty. 
 
Do yourself a favour and follow him on Instagram if you haven't already..
Here: NatureBuild-Daniel O’Callaghan (@naturebuild_insta) • Instagram photos and videos

Check NatureBuild website here:
https://www.naturebuild.com.au/

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Hey garden squad.
Enjoy the podcast coverage of the recent Kalamunda garden festival, recorded on the very first day of spring.
If you're reading this, please consider supporting the podcast by commenting and sharing the podcast on social media!

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Stoked to have been able to chat with Streaky Bay legend - Heath Joske.
Heath grew up in a surf-mad family on the northern NSW coast, 

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For everyone that complained that the testosterone levels were too high in the last podcast, you're going to have to wait a while longer for those levels to return to baseline, as Sam and Angus discuss pink paper daisies for over 15 minutes in this one. We can't help the way we are. 

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Today's podcast features Julian Brown, AKA NatureJab on Instagram.
Julian is a welder and social media phenomenon from Douglasville in Georgia, USA.

Julian has spent the last 3 years devising, constructing and perfecting backyard devices made from steel called "plastic to fuel reactors"
These devices pyrolyze plastic waste using microwaves into crude oil, natural gas and a carbon product, similar to biochar.

Find Julian here:
 https://www.instagram.com/naturejab_?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== 

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PODCAST COVERAGE FROM THE KALAMUNDA GARDEN FESTIVAL - JUNE 2ND.

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Had a chat with Fremantle local - Angela nikulinsky.
Since purchasing her property 3 years ago, Angela has transformed her mostly paved front and backyards from hardscaped eyesores to  vibrant and diverse greenspaces, which are bursting with colorful, endemic plant species.
Don't forget to check her out on Instagram - her handle is Anything.but.lawn.

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Had a great chat with Botanist and science educator; Dr. Laura Skates.

Laura has been passionate about the West-Australian Bush for decades, working for a number of years with Kings Park Science, the Friends of Kings Park, and Perth NRM. She has completed a PhD on the ecology of carnivorous plants.

Links to Laura:
Citizen science project: https://www.perthnrm.com/project/gardening-for-wildlife/

ReWild Perth: https://rewildperth.com.au/

Hope you enjoy meeting her as much as Sammy did!
Less Lawns, more ecological/habitat gardens, y'all

Find Laura on X:
Dr Laura Skates 🌻 (@floraskates) / X (twitter.com)

Laura's website"
floraskates (lauraskates.com)

See Laura on Gardening Australia:
My Garden Path - Laura Skates - Gardening Australia (abc.net.au)

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This podcast episode, Sammy will be featuring Australian Entrepeneur; Cedar Anderson, the co-inventor of the FlowHive.

Flowhive is an innovative new bee-hive system that has revolutionised home-bee keeping.
From the outside, Flow Hives look like a regular commercial beehive, that is, the traditional "wooden box" containing multiple frames which support the bees as they create their honeycomb.
In these traditional beehives, when the honey is ready for harvest. the frames are taken out and spun in a centrifuge system to extract honey.

Now, enter FLOW Hives.
Flow hives feature an ingenious system of pre-inserted, pre-molded frames made up of hundreds of individual hexagonal cells which mimic a natural honeycomb structure.
Once the bees are introduced, they then discover these cells, fill them with honey.

When all the cells are filled, the owner of the FlowHive can then turn a special key to fracture each of the cells to releasing all the honey at once.
The honey then slowly flows out of a tap and into glass collection jars. After collection the special key it turned again, re-setting the molds to their original position, to be filled with honey once again.

This Ingenious and elegant re-imagining of a beehive eliminates the otherwise messy, time-consuming and sometimes dangerous process of honey extraction.

With a FlowHive, there is next to no need to disturb, then pacify your bees and no need to use a centrifuge before you can enjoy the fruits of your bees' labour.

As you'll hear, FlowHive is one of the most significant business success stories to come out of the Northern Rivers region in recent years.

So, thanks friends and enjoy this podcast with Cedar Anderson of Byron Bay.

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Round to with Brendon, AKA the ecosystem_gardener on Instagram.

Brendon Carrick is a certified Aquascaping contractor. He runs a small business setting up ponds and miniature wetland systems around Adelaide. He has been doing such an epic job that he was recently featured on Gardening Australia with Sophie Thompson.

Enjoy peeps!

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Heya garn, garden nerds!
Bituva experiment with this weeks' pod. 
My fiancé Julia and I riff about our gardening adventures of late, talking about the experience of gardening in Perth from March-May; think bulbs, everlastings, growing asian vegetables and composting deciduous leaves!
Enjoy!

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Had the pleasure of getting to know yet another Gardening luminary and passionate Permie - Dr Lydia Pethick, AKA the gardening veterinarian.

Check out this recent article in Vet Practice Mag About Dr. Lydia.
Earth mover: Dr Lydia Pethick - Vet Practice Magazine

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Had the chance to chat to Eric of Water Ups. 
Water ups products will halve the water requirements of your pots, containers and grow beds. Wicking systems are oh so appropriate for Perth!
Check out all the amazing water-ups product range at waterups.com.au

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Another festival in the bag.
Thanks once again to Andrew and Mandy Osenton for putting on another awesome event. Guests on this one include Faye Arcaro, Lisa Passmore and Anthony Quinlan, just to name a few.

If you enjoyed this podcast and you'd like to help it grow at zero cost, don't forget to share it with friends, rate it five stars on your podcast player and leave a written review. IT REALLY DOES HELP HERB GROW.

See you in the next pod.
Sammy and Jules.

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Another festival in the can! 

Perhaps the best and sunniest conditions of the last 10 festivals! vibes were at an all time high!

Had a brilliant, 30minute conversation with local growing legend; Cyrus of Primal fruit. It's a must listen.

Angus stewart and Vasilis kanidiadis gave separate talks on all things hort, specifically backyard food production.

Thanks for your support, legends.

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Had the opportunity to chat with the awesome Tony and Linh of Beyond.ourgate on Instagram.

Tony and Linh have been working towards their dream of obtaining and developing a semi-off-grid bush block/homestead property for several years.

Find them on the gram, where Linh has done a great job, chronicling their journey from inner-city dwellers to passionate urban-homesteaders on Perth's outskirts.

A few of the many amazing facets of their block include many raised veggie beds, beehive area and a 100% natural, chlorine-free plunge pool, designed and installed by a Tony of Think green landscapes.

Hope you enjoy and don't forget to subscribe to herb on Apple pods and leave a review.

Stay Herby.

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Had Julian in for a fascinating convo about raised vegetable gardens and wicking beds. Wicking beds are an amazingly water-efficient way to grow food in small spaces here in Perth. Listen in to learn more!

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Had a super casual chat with horticulturist; Michael Homan, the passionate SA gardener behind the Instagram page @gardeningwithmichael.
 
Hope you enjoy our nerdy garden bants and don't forget to check our Michael's speccy Instagram page.

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Had the queen (blue-banded) bee of Instagram on again.
Mel Logozzo is yet another like-minded nature-fanatic hailing from Coogee, 30mins south of Perth City. 
Check Mel's amazing slow-mo footage of Australian native bee's out on her Instagram @Rewildingsuburbia.
Everything you need to know about this awesome human is on her website here:
About | Rewilding Suburbia

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Episode #59 Herb your enthusiasm.
Today's guest is ex-JRE guest; Will Harris of Bluffton, Georgia in the states..
 
Will is a 4th generation cattle farmer and current owner of white oak pastures, which has been owned by his family since 1866.
 
Across it's long history, white oak pastures has gone through many iterations. 
Upon inheriting his farm as a young man, will operated the farm in alignment with an industrial model of farming, utilising tonnes of Petro-chemical fertiliser, heavy chemical spray regimes to control weeds and "problem organisms" as well as intensive feed-lot operations and heavy anti-biotic regimens for his livestock. 
 
As you'll hear in the podcast, a single brief but powerful moment in time one afternoon, lead him to reconsider the path he was going down with respect to the "kill and control" style of farming he had become accustomed to on the farm. 
following this personal realisation- at great financial expense, will began to transition away from a typical industrial model of farming and towards am ecological/regenerative model, and one that honoured and respected life in all its forms and the relationships between them.
 
20 years later and white oak pastures is now a world leader in profitable, sustainable farming and one of the few sustainable regenerative farms in his state.
the multiple 10's of inches of rich, dark top soil that white oaks has created since moving to a regenerative model is something to behold and instead of spending his time figuring out how to kill organisms, will now thinks about the best ways to keep things alive.
 
Enjoy this cracking pod with Will Harris!

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Thanks for all your interest in the pod!
From 0 downloads in Nov 2021, to multi 10's of thousands on the last day of 2023, it's all thanks to you, Perth gardeners!
Enjoy Sam's first ever SOLO podcast! Hope you can stay awake!

See you in 2024.
Herb your enthusiasm podcast and friends.

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Spoke to our first guest from the United States recently- Andrew tyrrell is  responsible for creating AMAZING enclosed-cedar structures that are built around raised vegetable beds. 

Check out and his amazing work on IG @blackrockgardenstructures

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Enjoy our day's recordings from Stirk park at the Kalamunda garden festival on December 3rd, 2023.
Feat: RewildingSuburbia, the.tnk.loft, Andrea Whitely, Dr. Kit and Jo Bussell just to name a few.
Another successful day from Herb your enthusiasm's PODZEBO. 
Hope I did all you garden legends justice!

Sammy.

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Since the early 1980's, Charles has been instrumental in popularising the "no-dig" style of gardening, beliveving that the secret to ultimate yield when it comes to growing your own food is to leave the soil minimally disturbed or unmolested.

Charles is cambridge-educated, holding a degree in geography, yet he has never pursued a career in academia, instead, he has only ever wanted to work with the land, having spent the last 40 years building the productive capacity of market gardens in a number of different countries and regions.

It's literally impossible to sum up what this man has done for gardening, i just feel honoured that he's taken the time to talk to me about his rich life, spent unlocking the secrets of garden yield using a minimally-disruptive and even soil-regenerative approach of no-dig.

If you need to know anything more about the amazing Charles, give him a google or follow him on instagram at charles_dowding.

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Nutha cheeky yarn with an Australian gardening icon!

Phil Dudman was kind enough to come on for a yarn about the joys of growing your own food and home compost production!

Grow Your Food – with Phil Dudman
is where you can learn more about Phil and maybe even attend one of his workshops at his property in Lismore, NSW.

Thanks for listening, garden nerds!

Get tickets for the SUMMER Kalamunda garden festival on December 3rd here: https://kalamundagardenfestival.com.au/

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@modernruralcivilian is the Instagram identity of Mark Bonnalie, a rural homesteader and off-grid lifestyle creator known for documenting his transition from conventional work to self-sufficient country life. He shares honest and detailed content about building and managing a homestead, practical DIY projects, and the realities, both rewarding and difficult of pursuing autonomy in a remote setting. 

Mark’s story includes life changes like leaving his earlier professional path to live full-time on his property in Idaho, renovating vintage RVs, and developing systems that support a self-reliant lifestyle while making a living through content creation and teaching. His social media presence connects with a large audience interested in real-world homesteading, off-grid skills, and practical self-sufficiency. 

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David Mcmahon is the senior head tour guide at VentureNorth Australia, an award-winning tourism company, offering punters the opportunity to experience the wild foods and terrain of Arnhem land, the northwest and Kimberly region of Australia. 

David spends most of his time out bush in the NT, spreading his love of the Aussie plants and animals to anyone that cares to listen.
As an ex adelaide-chef, he also knows a thing or two about how to work with our native bush foods, which he enjoys preparing and offering to his tour guests.

David is also a very keen fan of ethnobotany and geology, which is reflected on on his awesome instagram page @davidmcmahonaustralia. 

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Tony from Think green Landscapes and Waterscapes was kind enough to drop in for a chat about natural swimming pool construction.

Tony is one of the few certified Aquascaping contractors operating in Perth. Check out his stunning creations on Facebook and Instagram to get a sense of what is achievable in a Perth backyard when it comes to Pond gardens, waterfalls and natural streams.
 
Find Tony here:
https://www.instagram.com/thinkgreenlandscapes/

https://facebook.com/thinkgreenlandscapes/

https://www.youtube.com/@thinkgreenlandscapes

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New pod alert!
It was amazing to chat to Permaculture legend and Gardening Australia presenter - Hannah Moloney. We nerded out on growing food in cold climates, community-spirited action to foster climate hope and her recent month of busily promoting her brand-new book: Good life growing, available now at all good bookstores around Australia and online.

This is still unreal to me that I have this podcast vehicle to connect to such bright and world-changing agents like Hannah. I want to thank each and every person who has ever listened to a HYE podcast. For what it's worth, your interest in these pod episodes has changed my life. Love you all. 

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Nutha pod for you gardeners! Have a dig!
In this one, I had the pleasure of getting to know the power couple behind the very green Perth business known as TREE RINGS.

Placed around the stems of young plants; TREE RINGS are a brilliant way to provide newly planted shrubs and trees with a drip-feed of valuable nutrients over the course of up to a year. They come in three different sizes and are made from an infinitely renewable, organic materials.

Check out this amazing Perth Business here:
Home | Treerings Australia

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UPLOAD #50!!!! (Including pilot episode) 

In this pod, Sammy had the pleasure of chatting to Brendon, AKA ecosystem_gardener on Instagram. 
Brendan is a NZ-born tradie with a life-long passion for nature.
Brendan has been installing beautiful habitat gardens and Aqua-scaping systems for clients around Adelaide for a few years now and has been chronicling his meme-heavy business activities on Insta, amassing a follower count of close to 40K as of late Sept. 
Tune in to hear us riff about the importance of thinking ecological, when it comes to plants, gardens and living spaces. 

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Had environmental biologist; Johnny Prefumo on the pod for yarns about all things frogs!
Johnny is passionate about conserving Australian flora and fauna and is doing an awesome job educating the Perth public about frog-scaping and habitat-gardens. Find his Instagram handle at frogdoctor2022. 

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Had Wade Willcocks from Wandering distillery into the studio for a fascinating chat about all things gin.
Wade is responsible for creating an award-winning selection of WA-produced gins with ultra-unique flavours sourced from the Australian bush, such as the citrussy taste of Lemon myrtle and the savoury tones of native river mint and native thyme.
The foodies will get a kick out of listening to Wade and his story.
Also check out the podcast from earlier this year featuring Wade's mate Mark Tucek of TUCKERBUSH to get a full sense of the bush tucker plant species that Wade is using in his gins.

If you enjoy this pod, help HYE out by following the podcast on your podcast player, rating it 5 stars and leaving a review. These simple, free steps will help herb become WAY more visible.

Thanks for listening Herbers.

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GARDEN NERDS!
EXTREMELY special podcast dropped, for your listening pleasure.
A whole day of chats with Sam and the absolute who's who of gardening and horticulture in Australia. I feel insanely lucky.

This day was about 4 weeks in the making and was somehow simultaneously the best and most stressful experience of the year.

I will have to go into detail about the lead-up to the festival in another pod, but the actual Sunday exceeded absolutely every expectation and Andrew and Mandy hit it out of the park, as usual.

Enjoy these chats with Millie Ross, Derryn Thorpe, Diego Oliveira, Phil Dudman and other local garden legends!

Yew (tree)!!
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Had the pleasure of chatting to Vic Park local, Jo Bussell.
Jo is committed to a sustainable lifestyle and runs a retail store called Urban revolution Australia, selling items such as natural/eco cosmetics products, worm farming kits, composting accessories, just to name a few.
As always, we covered a lot of ground and got immersed in our favourite subjects.

Enjoy the pod and stay herby!
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NEW PODCAST! 

Have a listen to this one!

Had Daniel O’Callaghan, owner of Naturebuild Australia.

Dan and his talented team specialise in the design and construction of ponds, wetlands and waterscapes.  We cover a lot in our chat and go into decent depth about things such as the fundamentals of waterscape design and using waterscapes to bring native fauna into your property.

 

To say that his work is mind-blowing is an understatement. 

Head to his Instagram page: @naturebuild.insta and check it out for yourself.

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Very enjoyable and informative chat with the awesome Diago of Thefunguywa.

Diago cultivates choice mushroom varieties on his business premises in Morley, pumping out grow-boxes of predominantly Lions mane and oyster mushrooms, just to name a few. 
Diago's wonder and enthusiasm for all things fungi is contagious and in addition to the edible varieties, we found ourselves talking about many other wondrous facets of fungi, including the cancer-fighting power of Turkeytails and the cognitive benefits of consuming lion's mane fungus.

Enjoy herbers.

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Had a brilliant and nerdy pod with Botanist Laun and horticulturalist Bella. 
Both work at Dawsons garden world.
This one was VERY loosely themed about their experience going through tafe/uni and their respective experiences working at one of Perth's oldest garden centres together.

Strap in for the nerdy plant bants (plants)
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Have a listen to this cracker of a pod with Trent Baljeu - MD of DSATCO mulch - One of WA's best known family-owned garden businesses.
Lupin is the most well-known of their 5-product range. It is 100% organic and so rich in nitrogen that it can virtually replace a synthetic nitrogen feed for your kitchen gardens.
We also spoke for a while about the agricultural history of Wongan hills, where dsatco HQ is located- might be a good listen for all the farmers and ex-farmers that listen to HYE.

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HAPPY 40TH PODCAST!
Enjoy a forgotten pod from mid-may, where Sam is feeling worse for wear after a night of drunken birthday karaoke and Casey is sleep deprived/overworked and grumpy.  We were consummate professionals however and limped, I mean powered through another juicy pod.
This one is (very) loosely themed around winter food foresty/urban farming.

Enjoy squad.

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