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e132. Quality of Life Matters with Bryan Phipps28 Aug 202400:57:38

Join us for an insightful episode where we welcome Bryan from Brusett, Montana, who shares his compelling journey of taking over his family ranch at a young age after his father's passing. Bryan discusses the pivotal transition from traditional cow-calf operations to adopting regenerative ranching practices. Listen in as he explains how attending a holistic management course in 2015 was a game-changer, leading to a more balanced life and reduced workload through enhanced grazing strategies. Bryan also highlights his financial growth by participating in the Ranching for Profit course in 2019, emphasizing the critical balance between farm life and family life.

In our discussion, we explore the benefits and logistics of adding sheep to a ranching operation, transitioning from cow-calf operations to stockers, and the economic aspects of wool production. Bryan shares the types of sheep he chose, the shearing process, and the profitability of raising fine wool breeds like Targhee, Rambouillet, and Merino. We also cover the nuances of managing grass species and grazing strategies, focusing on native and tame pastures, the nutritional benefits of different grasses, and the challenges posed by grasshoppers and water management.

We further delve into the practicalities of using a grazing chart and the importance of business planning in ranch management. Bryan shares his experience with implementing a grazing chart and the benefits of weekly ranch meetings for operational coordination. He discusses the shift in his farming practices, the positive impact of selling haying equipment, and the tools that have made his work more efficient. Bryan also provides valuable advice for those starting in farming, emphasizing the importance of education, community support, and focusing on the best land first. Finally, we touch on Bryan's upcoming speaking engagement at the Ag Symposium in Billings and express our gratitude for his participation in this enriching conversation.

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e131. Nature's Wisdom in Regenerative Farming with Daniel Firth Griffith21 Aug 202401:12:29

Join us for an engaging and thought-provoking conversation with Daniel Firth Griffith, a pioneer in regenerative agriculture, as we explore his unconventional methods and philosophies that challenge traditional practices. Reflecting on his first appearance in Episode 17 and discussing his latest book, "Stagtine," Daniel shares his evolution beyond regenerative practices. Influenced by Fred Provenza's "Nourishment," Daniel advocates for minimal pressure grazing, allowing cattle to naturally find necessary minerals, and posing questions rather than offering a step-by-step guide. I also share some personal updates, including the acquisition of a Border Collie puppy and experimenting with laser engraving ear tags for the farm.

Listen in as we discuss the philosophy of rewilding and rethinking our relationship with nature, especially in the context of modern agriculture and regenerative farming. We introduce the concept of "Kincentric Rewilding," which emphasizes kinship with all life forms and the cyclical nature of life and death. The conversation moves from traditional rotational grazing methods to a more harmonious and less controlled interaction with livestock, questioning how animals might guide us if given more autonomy. This shift aims to foster a management approach rooted in humility and partnership with nature.

Discover the natural wisdom of herbivores and their ability to adapt phenotypically to their environment without human intervention. Daniel highlights the importance of allowing animals to self-medicate by selecting the plants they need, a practice often overlooked in conventional farming. We touch on broader concepts of biodiversity and question traditional notions of control in farming, suggesting that true natural farming requires a release of control. This episode also revisits foundational questions posed to all guests, focusing on favorite grazing-related books, farm tools, and philosophical reflections on land stewardship, offering listeners valuable insights and a fresh perspective on sustainable agriculture.

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e122. Renewable Energy with Dennis Stout28 Jun 202401:09:12

Join us on this enlightening episode as we welcome Dennis Stout, a wind energy expert with over 18 years of experience, to explore the world of renewable energy, focusing on wind energy projects. Dennis provides an extensive overview of renewable energy, discussing its definition, benefits, and real-world impacts on rural America. Listen in as we tackle the advantages and controversies surrounding wind energy, particularly in contentious areas like northeast Oklahoma. Dennis also answers questions from our Grazing Grass community, offering insights to help listeners make informed decisions about renewable energy.

Throughout our conversation, we cover various aspects of wind energy, from the substantial size of modern turbines to the intricate process of integrating their power into the grid. Dennis explains the factors critical to establishing a wind farm, such as favorable wind conditions and supportive local regulations. We also discuss the financial benefits for landowners and the minimal land footprint of wind turbines, emphasizing the positive impact on farmers and ranchers.

Additionally, Dennis addresses several important concerns, including the evolution of turbine designs to reduce bird strikes and the minimal impact of wind farms on weather patterns and groundwater. We also explore the logistics of wind turbines, such as ice buildup precautions and the importance of long-term lease agreements. Dennis shares valuable advice for farmers negotiating with energy companies and highlights federal energy policy incentives that support renewable energy projects. Finally, we direct listeners to Dennis's educational platforms, including CropAmerica.com and WindFarmGuy.com, for further information on renewable energy.

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e32. Nick Rodgers - Veteran to First Generation Grass Farmer23 Jun 202100:53:42

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e31. Rachel Wagoner - Multigenerational Family Farm in Transition 16 Jun 202101:01:54

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e30. Matt Sparacio - From Teaching to Farming09 Jun 202100:59:41

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e29. The Shepherdess at Harmony Farms - Start as Small as Possible12 May 202100:40:35

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e28. Leslie Svacina - Meat Goat Production in Wisconsin05 May 202101:14:25

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e27. Ross Mathison - Craigslist Ad Gone Bad28 Apr 202100:55:04

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e26. Travis Ellis - From Wool Sheep to St. Croix Sheep21 Apr 202100:48:18

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e25. Ronel Visser - Cow-Share Dairy and Other Livestock in Tennessee14 Apr 202100:33:51

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e24. Austin Troyer - Low input Ranching07 Apr 202100:49:01

Austin Troyer of Crossroads Land and Livestock shares his journey as a first-generation farmer in eastern Ohio, building a large-scale grazing operation entirely on leased land. Austin explains how working for established ranches shaped his low-input mindset, how he spent years searching for the right lease, and why he has chosen to prioritize sheep alongside cattle on reclaimed strip-mine ground. Throughout the conversation, Austin breaks down the realities of fencing, water limitations, winter grazing without hay, and the business decisions that allow his family operation to grow without heavy capital investment.


In this episode, we cover:

  • Starting from zero with no livestock background
  • Finding and securing long-term leased grazing land
  • Building miles of low-cost electric fencing
  • Grazing reclaimed strip-mine ground in Ohio
  • Managing cattle and sheep together
  • Why sheep fit steep and invasive-heavy land
  • Livestock guardian dogs and predator control
  • Winter grazing without hay or equipment
  • Adjusting stocking rates instead of buying machinery
  • Direct-to-consumer sales vs wholesale markets
  • Why marketing can be harder than production
  • The philosophy of low-input grazing operations

Why This Episode Matters
This episode offers a realistic look at what it takes to start and scale a grazing operation without land ownership, expensive equipment, or high inputs. Austin’s experience highlights practical decision-making, patience, and mindset shifts that are especially valuable for beginning farmers, leased-land operators, and anyone questioning conventional approaches to infrastructure, winter feeding, or expansion.


Resources Mentioned

  • The Turnaround by Dave Pratt
  • Ranching for Profit School
  • OnX Maps
  • No-Risk Ranching by Greg Judy

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23 | Loyd Borntrager, Borntrager Dairy31 Mar 202100:50:35

Loyd Borntrager is a second-generation dairy farmer from south-central Kansas who has transitioned his family farm from conventional dairying to a pasture-based, direct-to-consumer raw dairy model. At Borntrager Dairy, Loyd focuses on grass-fed production, once-a-day milking, and building a resilient farm business centered on quality, family life, and strong customer relationships. His operation includes Dutch Belted cattle, on-farm dairy processing, and diversified livestock enterprises.


Topics Covered in This Episode

  • Transitioning from conventional to grass-based dairying
  • Why Dutch Belted cattle fit a grazing dairy system
  • Once-a-day milking and its impact on cows and family life
  • Direct-to-consumer raw milk sales under Kansas law
  • Producing cheese, yogurt, butter, and other dairy products on-farm
  • Using sprouted barley fodder as winter feed
  • Pasture species mixes for dairy cows in a 30-inch rainfall region
  • Strip grazing, fencing, and water infrastructure
  • Integrating layers, hogs, and pastured rabbits into the farm system
  • Shifting mindset from production volume to product quality

Why This Episode Matters
This episode offers a real-world look at what it takes to move away from volume-driven agriculture and toward a quality-focused, customer-centered farm business. Loyd shares practical lessons about breed selection, grazing management, and lifestyle tradeoffs, making this conversation especially valuable for graziers considering dairying, diversification, or direct marketing.


Resources Mentioned

  • The Forgiveness of Nature by Charles Walters
  • Acres USA
  • Stockman Grass Farmer magazine

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  • Website: https://borntragerdairy.com
  • Social media: Facebook and Instagram (Borntrager Dairy)
  • Email list: Available through the Borntrager Dairy website


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e121. Grazing Lands with Hunter Lehman26 Jun 202401:07:14

Join us for an insightful conversation with Hunter Lehman of Grazing Lands as we explore his transformative journey from managing a hunting property to embracing regenerative grazing near Stockdale, Texas. Hunter shares how he stays connected with his former ranch through innovative tools like virtual fencing, and discusses the transition from stocker cows to a static cow-calf herd. We touch on the benefits of having a well-trained herd, especially during hunting season, and Hunter's strategies for dealing with invasive plants like sericea lespedeza.

In this episode, we also discuss Hunter's new role at Grazing Lands, a subsidiary of Soilworks Natural Capital dedicated to regenerative agriculture. Hunter provides insights into the use of technology such as virtual fencing and heat maps to optimize cattle management and animal welfare. We talk about the challenges of integrating cool-season grasses with recreational land use, and the mission of Grazing Lands to set a standard for regenerative agriculture in America through profitable, large-scale operations.

Additionally, we explore various cattle management strategies, from the use of polywire fencing to managing stocking rates and transitioning herds to different environments. Hunter emphasizes the importance of selecting the right genetics for resilience and productivity, sharing his experience with breeds like Beefmaster and Red Angus. We also touch on the innovative breeding strategies of Steven Lukefahr and the potential of African cattle genetics for regenerative farming. Listen in as we wrap up with practical advice for newcomers to agriculture and the influential work of grazing expert Dick Richardson.

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22 | Logan Karcher, Burnt Hill Cattle Company24 Mar 202101:01:05

Logan Karcher is the owner and operator of Burnt Hill Cattle Company in southern Illinois, where he raises grass-fed beef, hair sheep, pasture pork, and poultry using regenerative grazing principles. Logan shares his journey from conventional agriculture and rodeo stock to intensive grazing, hair sheep, and diversified enterprises that fit both the land and his goals. His story highlights how education, experimentation, and observation shaped an operation focused on soil health, profitability, and simplicity.


In this episode, we explore:

  • Logan’s transition from bucking bulls and feed-based systems to regenerative grazing
  • How college, mentors, and grazing schools influenced his management decisions
  • Why hair sheep became a key enterprise on limited acreage
  • Running cattle and sheep together with single-strand polywire
  • Sheep economics compared to cow-calf on small farms
  • Clearing wooded ground using sheep instead of equipment
  • Lessons learned about fencing, water systems, and infrastructure
  • Cover crops, grazing on cropland, and working with conventional row-crop farmers
  • Why low-input livestock systems matter for long-term resilience

Why This Episode Matters
This episode offers a clear, real-world look at how regenerative grazing works on a small, mixed operation. Logan’s experience shows how stacking enterprises, matching livestock to the land, and staying curious can dramatically improve both profitability and quality of life. For anyone managing limited acreage or considering sheep, this conversation provides practical insight without hype.


Resources Mentioned

  • No-Risk Ranching by Greg Judy
  • Stockman Grass Farmer magazine
  • Grazing schools and Soil Health Academy events
  • Understanding Ag programs

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  • Burnt Hill Cattle Company on Facebook
  • Far Away Farms and Arena (operation Logan manages)


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21 | Daniel Rose, Grassroots Ranch17 Mar 202100:50:35

Daniel Rose of Grassroots Ranch shares his path from having no farming background to building a diversified, direct-to-consumer livestock operation through leased land near Tulsa. Inspired by reading You Can Farm and learning directly from experience, Daniel walks through the realities of raising grass-fed beef, pasture-raised poultry, and forest-raised pork while managing forage, fencing, water, and labor. This conversation offers an honest look at learning curves, early missteps, and the long-term mindset required to make grass-based farming work.


Topics Covered in This Episode

  • Getting started in farming without an agricultural background
  • Leasing land as a practical entry point into livestock production
  • Early lessons from raising sheep and understanding market demand
  • Transitioning into grass-fed beef, pasture-raised poultry, and pork
  • Learning rotational grazing through trial, error, and observation
  • Managing forage challenges like broom sedge and giant ragweed
  • Using chickens and pigs to improve soil fertility and pasture health
  • Mobile infrastructure for broilers, layers, and hogs
  • Watering livestock without permanent water systems
  • Viewing farming as both land stewardship and a business

Why This Episode Matters

This episode matters because it shows what starting from zero actually looks like. Daniel’s journey is not built on inherited land or generational knowledge, but on curiosity, experimentation, and steady refinement. For anyone questioning whether they have the right background, resources, or experience to begin, this conversation reinforces that progress comes from taking action, learning from mistakes, and improving systems over time.


Resources Mentioned

  • You Can Farm — Joel Salatin
  • Stockman Grass Farmer magazine
  • Asana (project management software)

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e20. Josh Ayers - Cattle, Hogs, and Poultry in Southern Ohio10 Mar 202100:37:30

In this episode, a new section called The Overgrazing Section is also added where Cal takes a deep dive into one of the practices of the guests.


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[02:50] - The start of Joshua’s business

[07:23] - What led him to South Poll cattle

[09:46] - The climate in Southern Ohio

[11:49] - Stockpiling fescue

[12:57] - Angus cow and Cal

[14:09] - Trouble with electric fences

[15:31] - What fencing does Josh have

[17:06] - Joshua’s perimeter for electric fencing

[18:52] - How he does watering

[20:03] - The grazing land for cattle

[21:00] - Siphoning water line 

[22:39] - Other livestock Joshua has

[23:03] - About the business of hogs

[25:20] - His pasture poultry business

[25:35] - Chicken tractor he uses

[26:00] - How did it go with the chicken this year

[26:24] - How he does marketing

[27:28] - The Overgrazing Section- about his solar fence charger

[29:27] - Moving with paddock moves

[33:36] - His favorite grazing grass related book

[35:00] - Advice for beginning grass farmer


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e19. Will Harris - Five Species of Livestock for Meat Production03 Mar 202100:37:16

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e18. Austin Unruh - Silvopasture for Graziers24 Feb 202100:59:52

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e17. Daniel Griffith - Wild Like Flowers17 Feb 202101:03:19

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e16. Transition of a Multigenerational Farm to Regenerative Agriculture03 Feb 202100:40:27

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e15. Cold Turkey for Regenerative Agriculture27 Jan 202100:46:05

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e14. From Books & New York to Stockers in Texas20 Jan 202101:00:37

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e13. Multiple Ranches in Multiple Countries12 Jan 202100:35:57

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e120. Livestock Color Genetics - Part 221 Jun 202400:47:28

Join us on the Grazing Grass Podcast as we continue our journey into the fascinating world of livestock color genetics. In this episode, we explore the practical aspects and implications for breeders, focusing on the two primary pigments—eumelanin (black) and pheomelanin (tan)—that determine livestock coat color. We simplify the terminology for ease of understanding and revisit key genetic loci, such as the extension and agouti loci, which play significant roles in coat color variations in cattle. Additionally, we discuss unique alleles like black-red, where calves change color as they age, and dominant red, which overrides the extension locus. Drawing insights from Dr. Sponenberg's "Practical Color Genetics for Livestock Breeders," we offer a comprehensive guide for beef and dairy cattle breeding.

In our discussion on cattle color dilution genetics, we shed light on the Simmental and Charolais dilution alleles, which impact coat colors, resulting in lighter shades like orange, yellow, and various grays. We also touch on other breeds such as Galloway and Dexter, which have their unique dilution genes that can sometimes lead to unexpected coat colors. Furthermore, we explore the genetic complexity in breeds like Brown Swiss and Murray Greys, and mention the recently identified Larson Blue dilution gene, enriching our understanding of the intricate genetics behind cattle coat colors.

Our exploration doesn't stop there; we also delve into the intriguing patterns of white spotting genetics in cattle. From the "wading" allele, which creates white patterns on the lower legs and belly, to the "white sides" allele characterized by animals with white sides and pigmented legs, we cover a wide range of patterns. We discuss speckled patterns such as "colorsided," "fisheagle," and "spitting cobra," along with the roan category and its variations like "marocha" and "salineiro." Finally, we examine modifiers like "brockle," "ticking," and "smudge," which add complexity to these patterns. This episode promises a rich and informative discussion on the genetic factors shaping the diverse and beautiful coat colors of livestock.

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e12. Swales, Trees, and Livestock in the High Desert of Colorado05 Jan 202100:40:05

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e11. Raising Hogs in the Woods While Grazing Grass with a Flerd15 Dec 202000:36:24
Scott Hauck of Sacred Song Farm discusses the rotational grazing of pigs, cattle, sheep, and chickens. We discuss raising hogs in the woods as well as breeds and management. Among the topics covered are flerds, leasing land and Katahdin hair sheep.
e10. Making More with 2 Cows than 100 Cows08 Dec 202000:37:35

Jay and Michelle operate Spirited Rose Farm in Eastern Washington.  On their small farm, they demonstrate you can use regenerative practices no matter your farm size.  



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e9. Grazing 500 Paddocks in a Semi-Arid Environment01 Dec 202000:30:34
Jeffers Cattle Company grazes Angus cows in Mexico. Marcos Jeffers joins us to discuss their regenerative approach to their semi-arid environment and how they've reacted to having a drought this year. Also, Marcos explains how he manages his records for 500 paddocks.
e8. Grazing and Milking Water Buffalo in Colorado24 Nov 202000:29:05

Jose of Rocking TT Bar discusses his journey of grazing grass with Water Buffalo.  We talk Water Buffalo management, milking, and beef.  Jose utilizes a mobile milking area and uses it to improve his pastures.

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e7. Peri-urban Grass Farming with Dual Purpose Livestock17 Nov 202000:38:14

John Lakey of Lakey Farm in Australia talks about how they are converting CO2 into soil carbon by regenerative farming and their plans for the future.

Book(s)/Resource(s)

  • Holistic Management by Allan Savory (Amazon*)
  • Dirt to Soil by Gabe Brown (Amazon*)
  • Dark Emu by Bruce Pascoe (Amazon*)

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e6. Grazing Goats on Leased Land10 Nov 202000:30:13

Ben Habig of Habig Livestock discusses an innovative approach to obtaining land for grazing goats as well as management of his goats.


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  • Kick the Hay Habit by Jim Gerrish (Amazon*)
  • Management-intensive Grazing by Jim Gerrish (Amazon*)
  • How to Not go Broke Ranching by Walt Davis (Amazon*)

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e5. Holistic Journey with Multiple Livestock Species03 Nov 202000:42:57

In this episode, Cal talks with Eli Mack of Mack Farms.  Eli grazes a variety of livestock and poultry while he builds his holistic management knowledge.

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e4. 30 Years of Grazing Grass with Sheep29 Sep 202000:44:38

In this episode, we interview Bill Fosher of Edgefield Farm. Bill has over 30 years of experience grazing sheep and shares about his operation. You can find out more about Edgefield Farm at https://edgefieldsheep.com and http://www.nhacd.net.  Bill encourages us to visit https://onpasture.com.  He finds it a very valuable resource. 



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e3. Cow-calf Operation utilizing Rotational Grazing28 Jul 202000:37:05

Ben Hepler of Hepler Beef describes his commercial beef operation and Red Poll operation.  We discuss electric fence equipment, watering, and breeds of cattle.

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e119. From Traditional to Regenerative Grazing with Mike Bassett19 Jun 202401:13:10

Join us for an engaging episode where we explore the transformative journey of Mike, a third-generation cattle and crop farmer from central Iowa, as he transitions from conventional farming to regenerative grazing practices. Mike candidly shares his frustrations with overgrazing and the inspiration he drew from his grandfather to adopt management-intensive rotational grazing. He takes us through the learning curve of measuring forage, setting up a daily move system, and developing a forage measurement tool. Mike’s story underscores the importance of hands-on learning and experimentation in improving farm sustainability and efficiency.

We also discuss the intricacies of rotational grazing management, emphasizing the need for accurate calibration and measurement of forage availability and livestock needs. Using tools like spreadsheets and mapping apps, we explore methods for estimating total dry matter in a paddock and determining its support duration for a herd. Mike shares personal anecdotes about managing hayfields, adjusting strategies during drought conditions, and the benefits of underutilizing grass to prevent overgrazing. The conversation highlights the role of technology in optimizing pasture rotations and the unexpected advantages of natural events.

Finally, we delve into the management of grazing and cover crops, examining the long-term impacts of reintroducing animal activity to previously inactive land. Mike shares his experiences with different cover crops and the challenges of integrating them with grazing schedules and weather events. We also touch on the unexpected outcomes of government-mandated tree planting and its implications for agricultural practices. The episode concludes with insights on cattle herd management, emphasizing the importance of both traditional education and modern resources, such as social media and online communities, in mastering regenerative grazing practices. Tune in to discover valuable resources and tools for effective grazing management and to hear practical innovations that can enhance daily farm operations.

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e2. Multiple Species Grass-Finished for Direct Marketing07 Jul 202000:29:47

Jonathan Kilpatrick manages Bent Tree Farms—a 780-acre, multi-species, grass-based operation producing beef, lamb, and pastured poultry. In this episode, Jonathan shares what he’s learned managing a complex, regenerative system in the challenging rainfall patterns of southeastern Oklahoma. We dig into forages, stockpiling strategies, multi-species management, finishing beef on grass, and the practical realities of running a farm largely solo.


You’ll hear how Jonathan has shifted from drilling annuals to managing a rich perennial polyculture, why he now treats clover like a key ally, the challenges and rewards of keeping cattle and sheep together, and the detailed strategies he uses to stretch stockpile through winter while minimizing hay.


If you want real-world insight from someone doing the work day in and day out—this is a great conversation.


Topics Covered

  • Operation overview and forages on Bent Tree Farms
  • Moving away from drilled annuals toward perennial management
  • Why 2024 was the “Clover Year”
  • Hay feeding strategies (rolling vs rings)
  • Stockpiling fescue and stretching winter forage
  • Using leader-follower and daily moves for finishing beef
  • Running sheep and cattle together (and why the guardian dogs complicate it)
  • Managing fencing for multi-species grazing
  • Lambing management and annual cycle
  • Grazing for energy vs grazing for landscaping
  • Jonathan’s lessons on performance, residuals, and leaving more behind

Why You Should Listen

Jonathan brings a practical, grounded, and honest view into what it takes to manage a regenerative grazing operation in real life—not theory. His reflections on animal performance, forage diversity, stockpile strategies, and multi-species grazing offer tools you can use today. Grass finishers, sheep producers, and anyone thinking about expanding their grazing toolbox will take away something valuable.


Resources Mentioned

  • Kick the Hay Habit — Jim Gerrish
  • Bent Tree Farms — https://benttreefarmsok.com
  • Bent Tree Farms on Instagram & Facebook (benttreefarmsok)


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e1. Introducing the Grazing Grass Podcast and Myself19 May 202000:19:24

In this very first episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast, host Cal Hardage shares the story behind the show, his background in farming, and the vision for building a community of graziers who want to maximize forage production through better management. Cal reflects on his upbringing on a dairy and beef operation, his lifelong learning in the world of grass farming, and his current practices on 240 acres in Oklahoma raising cattle, sheep, and goats using regenerative rotational grazing.


Listeners will learn why Cal created the podcast, what to expect from future episodes, and how to connect with others through the Grazing Grass Community. He also answers the original version of the Famous Four questions, sharing his favorite grazing books, top tools on the farm, and where listeners can learn more about his work.


Topics Covered

  • Why Cal launched the Grazing Grass Podcast
  • The need for a dedicated grass-farming focused podcast
  • Cal’s background—from dairy to beef to sheep & goats
  • The evolution of his grazing practices
  • Current rotational grazing approach across 240 acres
  • Forage species on his farm (Bermuda, fescue, clover mixes, lespedeza, Johnson grass)
  • Fence setups and rotational challenges
  • Using technology, electric fence, and daily vs weekly moves
  • Performance impacts of weekly moves
  • The origin of the Famous Four questions
  • Cal’s favorite books, tools, and community resources

Why You Should Listen
This episode sets the tone for everything the Grazing Grass Podcast is about: practical grazing knowledge, farmer-to-farmer learning, and real-world insights from someone working to improve forage and livestock production. It’s an honest, down-to-earth introduction that helps listeners connect with Cal’s story and the mission behind the podcast.


Resources Mentioned

  • No-Risk Ranching by Greg Judy
  • Comeback Farms by Greg Judy
  • The Stockman Grass Farmer
  • Hedge Apple Acres — https://hedgeappleacres.com
  • Grazing Grass Community — https://grazinggrass.com

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e118. Embracing Native Grasses with Kody Karr12 Jun 202400:57:00

Join us as we explore the fascinating journey of Kody, a ninth-generation agrarian from northeast Missouri, who returned to his family's farm. Kody opens up about the evolution of their farming practices, transitioning from traditional row cropping to pasture-based operations. Hear about Kody's childhood experiences on the farm, his initial reluctance towards farming due to a dislike for machinery, and how he found his way back to the agricultural lifestyle he once tried to escape. Kody's preference for livestock and grasslands is highlighted, along with the adjustments made to accommodate these preferences and the challenges and rewards of managing the family farm with his mother and grandfather.

In this episode, Kody shares insights into managing a mixed farming operation, including his passion for native grasses and habitat restoration, which he nurtured during his college years at the University of Missouri. Discover how Kody and his wife balance their roles on the farm, with his wife focusing on  commercial hogs and Kody overseeing livestock, grass, and row crop aspects. Listen in as Kody discusses the introduction of rotational grazing to optimize resources, practical aspects of managing cattle and sheep, and the innovative grazing strategies they employ to ensure the health and productivity of their farm.

We also explore Kody's experiences with water management for sheep grazing, the intricacies of livestock breeding and management, and the benefits of native grass restoration. Hear about the successes and challenges Kody has faced in running a diversified farming operation, from the Lake St. Louis Farm Market to online sales. Gain valuable insights into effective grazing strategies for native grasses, and learn about Kody's favorite resources and tools for farming. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in regenerative grazing practices and the journey of modern agrarians.

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e117. Fighting Fires and Grazing Sheep with William Vogl05 Jun 202401:04:43

Join us on this episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast as we welcome William Vogl from Vogl Homestead. Listen in as William shares his incredible journey in regenerative grazing, discussing his experiences in grass-based livestock production and the unique challenges of farming at high elevation with variable weather conditions. From raising sheep to managing forest understories, William provides insights into his diverse operations and how he maximizes the use of small acreages. He also reflects on his family's influence, transitioning from a homestead garden to a comprehensive regenerative farming operation, and his future plans, including setting up a sawmill while balancing a full-time job as a firefighter.

In our conversation, William and I explore the nuances of starting a sheep farm, focusing on the benefits and challenges of raising White Dorpers in Colorado. We discuss his preference for hair sheep, the selection process, and the advantages they offer over cattle for smaller acreages. William also shares his experiences with electric fencing, predator control using Colorado Mountain Dogs, and the initial skepticism from his cattle-rearing family. He highlights the ease of managing sheep compared to cattle, emphasizing their lower risk of injury and simpler handling requirements.

Additionally, we touch on practical aspects of grazing management, the role of livestock guardian dogs, and the benefits of prescribed grazing. William provides valuable tips for beginner farmers, stressing the importance of starting small and taking care of oneself to avoid burnout. We also discuss innovative composting techniques for pasture improvement and the significance of marketing sheep as a sustainable meat option. Whether you're a seasoned farmer or just starting, this episode offers a wealth of knowledge and inspiration for anyone interested in regenerative farming practices.

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e116. Revisiting Horstmann Cattle Company with August Horstmann29 May 202400:57:08

Join us as we catch up with August Horstmann of Horstmann Cattle Company, who shares his journey in regenerative agriculture since his last appearance on the podcast. August talks about his transition from Angus and Angus cross cattle to South Poll cattle, providing insights into calving, culling, and coping with drought conditions. We also explore the benefits and challenges of maintaining a diversified farm with cattle, pork, and poultry, and how current cattle prices influence his strategic decisions. August offers an update from his location in Owensville, Missouri, and discusses ongoing weather concerns impacting his farming practices.

In another chapter, we focus on the role of Border Collies in farm work. Learn about the unique challenges and rewards of owning and training these intelligent dogs, including their ability to move cattle more calmly and efficiently than machinery. We share real-life anecdotes that highlight the dogs' natural herding aptitude, training philosophies that prioritize instinct over human intervention, and how Border Collies integrate into daily farm routines. Discover the significant time savings and reduced stress on livestock that these remarkable dogs bring to the table.

Lastly, we explore the complexities of managing a diversified farm operation and transitioning from part-time to full-time farming. August discusses the balance of multiple livestock enterprises and the realization of "death by diversity," which led to scaling back operations. We also touch on the logistics of direct-to-consumer meat sales, the impact of COVID-19 on market strategies, and the shift from Barn2Door to Shopify for a more streamlined purchasing process. Additionally, we discuss favorite resources and tools for those in grazing and farming, offering advice on learning, mentorship, and matching livestock to the environment.

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e115. Livestock Color Genetics - Part 124 May 202400:36:25

In this episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast, we delve into the rich tapestry of livestock coat color genetics. From the sleek black of Angus cattle to the lush red of Red Polls, we uncover the chromosomal dance that dictates the stunning variety of hues in our farm animals. Whether you're a livestock enthusiast or a seasoned breeder, this episode promises to deepen your appreciation for the science behind animal pigmentation. We discuss the genetic interplay of pigments, the extension and agouti loci, and the role of DNA testing in breeding for desired traits. Join us as we explore the fascinating world of color genetics and how it shapes the beauty and identity of livestock breeds. Share this journey with us to better understand the living canvas of genetics that contributes to the agricultural landscape.

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e114. Livestock, Soil and Consumer in Mind with Brooks & Abby Bowser22 May 202400:55:29

Join us as we welcome the dynamic duo, Brooks and Abby Bowser of Bowser Family Farms, who take us through their farming evolution from conventional practices to the world of regenerative grazing. Our guests reveal their inspiring journey, learning from pioneers like Gabe Brown, and how they have implemented diverse cover crops and pasture management techniques to nurture their soil and livestock. As Abby transitioned from traditional to regenerative methods, the Bowsers saw firsthand the ecological benefits unfold on their farm. Their candid reflections on the challenges and victories encountered offer valuable insights for anyone interested in sustainable agriculture.

Listen in as the conversation shifts to the burgeoning biodiversity that regenerative agriculture brings. Brooks and Abby share observations from their Michigan farm, where wildlife, such as pheasants, has flourished, signaling a restored habitat. They delve into the intricacies of fencing strategies and the impact on cattle, drawing parallels to the needs of flower farming and pollinator habitats. This chapter highlights the necessity of a long-term perspective, underscoring the patience required when making decisions that shape the future of our ecosystems.

Finally, we explore the pivotal role of social media in marketing farm produce directly to consumers. The Bowsers discuss their successful strategies that leverage storytelling and education on soil health to connect with their audience. They also touch upon the diversity in their livestock operations and the economics behind the choices they make. Wrapping up the episode, Brooks and Abby extend an invitation to other grazers to join the conversation and share their own experiences, emphasizing the power of community and knowledge sharing in advancing regenerative grazing practices.

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e113. Greener Pastures Ranching with Steve Kenyon15 May 202401:02:46

Join us on the Grazing Grass Podcast as we explore the ins and outs of grass-based livestock production with Steve Kenyon from Greener Pastures Ranching. Listen in as Steve shares his innovative approach to profitable farming through custom grazing on leased land, revealing how this unique business model revolutionized his financial situation. We also get personal, discussing the everyday challenges and triumphs of managing a farm, including the seasonal anticipation of haying and the lively conversations happening within our thriving Grazing Grass community on Facebook.

This episode is packed with tales of transformation and adaptation, from Steve's 'aha' moment during a hot, grueling day of manure hauling to Steve's journey from cattleman to grass farmer. Discover how a simple mindset shift can lead to smarter farming practices that let the cows do the work and promote a self-sufficient herd. The conversation covers the historical events that shape our decisions and the unexpected opportunities that lead to rapid growth in land holdings and custom grazing operations.

For those interested in the cutting-edge practices shaping the future of agriculture, we dive into the details of drone seeding and its potential to revolutionize reseeding practices. We also tackle the logistics of bale grazing, the search for eco-friendlier alternatives to plastic netting in hay baling, and the importance of holistic management in our agricultural systems. Whether you're a seasoned farmer or just getting started, this episode is filled with insights and stories that underscore the importance of community, innovation, and a sustainable approach to farming. So tune in, and let's keep the conversation grazing!

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e130. Innovative Techniques in Modern Bison Ranching with Stewart Staudinger14 Aug 202400:56:32

Join us for an enlightening journey as we sit down with Stewart Staudinger, who shares his remarkable transition from an aeronautical engineer and Royal Air Force pilot to a full-time bison rancher in central Alberta. Stewart recounts his early years on a purebred Simmental cattle ranch and his eventual return to the family ranch, inspired by his father's shift from cattle to bison. Listen in as Stewart provides a vivid picture of the unique management aspects of bison, their wild nature, and the fascinating dynamics of herd behavior.

We also explore the intricacies of bison genetics and breeding strategies, highlighting the differences between plains and wood bison subspecies and the advancements in genomic testing. Stewart discusses the practical aspects of handling and weaning calves, sharing the learning curve new ranchers face. Our conversation emphasizes the importance of these genetic discoveries for herd registry management and classification, providing invaluable insights for those interested in bison ranching.

In the latter part of our discussion, we shift focus to the operational aspects of running a diverse meat business and the challenges of grazing management. Stewart shares his experiences with marketing strategies, feeding regimens, and the significant infrastructure improvements he's implemented to support sustainable grazing practices. From innovative fencing techniques using sucker rod to enhancing soil health through regenerative agriculture, Stewart's journey offers a wealth of knowledge for anyone interested in sustainable and profitable ranching. Tune in to gain a comprehensive understanding of the multifaceted world of regenerative bison ranching.

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e112. Mack Farms Fencing & Kiwitech10 May 202400:30:58

Listen in as we welcome back Eli Mack to the Grazing Grass Podcast for a discussion on the intricacies of fencing equipment and Kiwitech's innovative offerings. Eli, with his dual expertise from Mack Farms and Kencove Farm Fence, unravels the complexities of high tensile perimeters and temporary interior fencing. He shares his hands-on experiences and preferences, such as the robustness of Ken Cove's braided twine and the convenience of Zammr handles. His insights illuminate the tangible benefits of these tools in bolstering the efficacy of regenerative grazing practices.

Our conversation takes a practical turn as we explore the nitty-gritty of electric fencing systems, tailored for effective livestock management. I recount my appreciation for remote-controlled Energizers, highlighting the ease of managing fence voltage remotely—a real game-changer in the field. We exchange stories, including one where an energizer oversight led to an adventurous heifer, and discuss the varying voltage requirements for different livestock, along with the pros and cons of solar versus battery-powered units. Through the lens of real-world challenges, we recognize the adaptability of portable electric fences despite their lower energy output.

Rounding out the episode, we offer a detailed overview of the KiwiTech Grazing System, hailed for its modular design akin to "Legos for an adult grazer." The system's efficiency in winding multiple strands simultaneously caters exceptionally well to multi-species grazing. Moreover, I touch on the practicality of KiwiTech's farming equipment, from their twisted, tight twist spools to their customizable ATV setups. Whether you're a seasoned farmer or just starting, this episode provides valuable insights and advice on optimizing fencing strategies to enhance your agricultural pursuits.

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e111. Revisiting Mack Farms with Eli Mack08 May 202401:08:08

Join us as we reconnect with Eli Mack of Mack Farms, who returns to share the evolution of his regenerative livestock operation since his initial visit on the podcast. Eli gives us an enlightening update on his holistic management training and how it's shaping the expansion of his farm. Focusing on cattle and sheep, and occasionally poultry, Eli offers valuable insights into the art of regenerative grazing. As we chat, we also discuss the broader impacts of these practices on the ecosystem and community, and how they're paving the way for the future of agriculture.

In our conversation, we tackle the practical aspects of expanding livestock operations, with personal anecdotes about land acquisition and the challenges that come with it, such as water access and managing parasite issues with minimal intervention. Eli and I both share experiences from our respective farms, highlighting the importance of livestock genetics in creating hardy breeds and our experiments with mixed-species grazing and innovative fencing strategies. These stories not only provide a peek into the daily life of a regenerative farmer but also serve as a testament to the commitment required to maintain and grow a successful operation.

Finally, we wrap up with an exploration of the principles of holistic land management and the transformative journey of becoming an accredited professional with the Savory Institute. Eli's experiences underscore the value of continuous learning and adapting, while I chime in with my own approach to embracing progress and the resources that have influenced my farming practices. Whether you're a seasoned farmer or someone curious about sustainable agriculture, this episode is packed with practical advice, personal reflections, and encouragement to take that first step towards a regenerative future.

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e110. Regenerative Ranching Meets Pecan Cultivation with Charles Rohla01 May 202400:57:53

Join us as we welcome Charles "Chuck" Rolla from the Noble Research Institute for a rich conversation about the dynamic world of agriculture, regenerative practices, and the intricacies of pecan production. Chuck shares his journey from beginnings on a family ranch to his academic pursuits in animal and crop sciences, and his ultimate role as a pecan specialist and regenerative grazing educator. Throughout the discussion, Chuck illuminates the transformative power of regenerative grazing courses designed to help ranchers craft sustainable operations and seamlessly integrate grazing with pecan orchards for enhanced benefits.

Listen in as Chuck takes us through the evolution of his agricultural practices, from managing livestock to embracing the principles of regenerative agriculture. His experience spans from traditional cattle rearing to raising miniature Herefords, all while fostering soil health and sustainability. Chuck also unpacks the complexities of forage management and the innovative use of technology to optimize grazing strategies. By sharing his own experiences and the educational resources offered by the Noble Research Institute, Chuck offers invaluable insights into the practicalities of agricultural success.

Our discussion culminates in a comprehensive look at the symbiotic relationship between livestock and pecan orchards. Chuck provides a deep understanding of how integrating animals into tree farming can boost soil health, enhance tree production, and ultimately lead to a more profitable and ecologically sound agricultural system. He addresses common concerns and misconceptions, offering solutions and championing a paradigm shift towards this integrated approach. Whether you're a seasoned farmer or new to the field, Chuck's expertise in both grazing management and pecan production offers a fresh perspective on the future of sustainable agriculture.

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e109. Part 2 of Lasater Philosophy of Cattle Raising26 Apr 202400:28:13

Join me, Cal Hardage, on the Grazing Grass Podcast for an enlightening discussion on the intricacies of cattle raising, where we examine the second part of the Lasater Philosophy, focusing on the significance of reproductive efficiency in beef production. Discover Tom Lasater's unconventional approach to heifer retention, advocating for breeding at a young age and the merits of a condensed, 65-day breeding period. Listen in as I reflect on the initial hesitation surrounding these methods, the advantages they present for calving ahead of the herd, and how this strategy can transform a grass-fed beef operation. The dialogue invites ranchers to engage with these breeding philosophies and assess their practical applications on the field.

The episode also delves into the emotional and economic challenges of herd management, sharing a personal tale of a difficult calving and the subsequent culling decision, highlighting the necessity of record-keeping in monitoring herd progress. Explore the concept of performance testing in natural environments, the principle of direct selection in breeding, and how immediate, decisive changes can yield a more efficient herd. Engage with the narrative of how ignoring non-essential traits and prioritizing reproductive efficiency can dramatically enhance a ranch's productivity, as we dissect these topics with the wisdom gleaned from experiences both personal and shared by others in the field, including insights from Allen Williams, as discussed in the Herd Quitter podcast.



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e108. Start Small, Aim Big with Elizabeth Stuart24 Apr 202401:01:48

Join us as Elizabeth Stuart from Crossing Creeks Farm shares her enlightening transition to grass-based livestock production and how her family's pursuit of health through better quality meat led them to start their own farming venture. Elizabeth's candid recount of their journey from vegetarianism to grass-fed beef enthusiasts, alongside their commitment to regenerative grazing practices, provides a compelling narrative that resonates with anyone interested in sustainable agriculture and personal wellness. In our discussion, Elizabeth reveals the thoughtful steps they took to ensure their farming operations were not only environmentally responsible but also capable of leaving a lasting legacy for generations to come.

As we explore the nitty-gritty of starting and expanding a farm, Elizabeth imparts valuable strategies that were instrumental in the growth of Crossing Creeks Farm. From the strategic placement of over 7,000 feet of water lines to the choice of electrified fencing, we get an insider’s look at the importance of efficient infrastructure. Balancing farm duties with off-farm jobs, she highlights how initial investments in systems like fencing and watering can pave the way for long-term success. Her insights on diversification through the addition of other species, and the implementation of direct-to-consumer models, underline the resilience and adaptability needed to sustain a profitable farm store year-round.

In the final stretch of our conversation, Elizabeth offers advice on maintaining livestock health through natural practices, emphasizing the power of mineral management learned from Pat Colby's methodologies. As we chat about the daily operations and the utility of farm tools, the message is clear: starting small and dreaming big is key for those embarking on their farming path. Whether you're a seasoned farmer or just starting out, this episode is packed with practical tips, inspiring stories, and an invitation to engage with a community passionate about regenerative farming and the grass beneath our feet.

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Crossing Creeks Farm
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