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Zack Snyder has a reputation as a Director’s Cut director: but what does that actually mean? And what happens when he’s given the chance to simultaneously make a Directors Cut and a ‘theatrical’ cut that will never go to theatres?

CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses fictional depictions of sexual assault and sexual violence from 44:55 - 47:28

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CLIPS USED: 

Rebel Moon Part One - A Child of Fire (dir. Zack Snyder, 2023)

Rebel Moon Part Two - The Scargiver (dir. Zack Snyder, 2024)

Rebel Moon Chapter One - Chalice of Blood (dir. Zack Snyder, 2024)

Rebel Moon Chapter Two - Curse of Forgiveness (dir. Zack Snyder, 2024)

Rebel Moon: Part One - A Child of Fire with Zack Snyder and Louis Leterrier (The Director’s Cut Podcast Ep. 464)

Zack Snyder 😜 Life is Short with Justin Long

The Joe Rogan Experience 2114 - Zack Snyder

Happy Sad Confused: Zack Snyder Vol II

How the Guys of Rebel Moon Got Ripped

MUSIC:

“Cantina Band” - John Williams

“Niamos (Morlana Club Mix)” - Nicholas Britell

“Whitsun Oath” - Tom Holkenborg

“The Land We Breathe” - Tom Holkenborg

“Harvesting” - Fumio Hayasaka

“Industrial Cinematic”, “Odyssey”, “Hyperfun”, “Protofunk”, “Hitman”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “The Descent”, “The Path of the Goblin King V2”, “Thinking Music”, “Hit the Streets”, “Death of Kings”, “Neo Western”, “Devastation and Revenge”, “Dark Times”, “Groove Grove”, “Screensaver”, “StyleFunk”, “Covert Affairs”, “Minima”, “Ever Mindful”, “Enter the Maze”, “Echoes of Time V2”, “Sunset at Glenorm”, “Bicycle”, “Immersed” & “On the Shore”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“Suspended Animation” & “VHS Dreams” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Zack Snyder first pitched the idea Seven Samurai in Space when he was in college. In 2012, he pitched it to Kathleen Kennedy as his way of “fixing” Star Wars. In 2023, Rebel Moon: Part One - A Child of Fire was released on Netflix.

This is the story of how one idea becomes ten hours worth of movie.

CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses suicide at 16:10. There is also discussion of fictional depictions of sexual assault and sexual violence at 6:55 - 7:04, 15:08 - 15:27, 28:58 - 29:06, 32:05 - 33:45, 37:25 - 38:23

If you want to support the show, we now have a Patreon!

You can subscribe for bonus episodes, plug-free versions of the show and my undying love and gratitude. Please do it! I need to buy so many Rebel Moon art books.

You can follow the show on twitter or tumblr @goingroguepod, or for slightly less hinged content, follow @tansyclipboard on twitter or @tansyg.bsky.social on Bluesky.

If you want to get in touch, you can email goingroguetansy@gmail.com

CLIPS USED: 

Rebel Moon Part One - A Child of Fire (dir. Zack Snyder, 2023)

Rebel Moon: Part One - A Child of Fire with Zack Snyder and Louis Leterrier (The Director’s Cut Podcast Ep. 464)

Zack Snyder 😜 Life is Short with Justin Long

The Joe Rogan Experience 2114 - Zack Snyder

Zack Snyder on How Rebel Moon Is a Rebellion 30 Years in the Making (Tudum)

MUSIC:

“Crypto”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Virtutes Instrumenti”, “Oppressive Gloom”, “Protofunk”, “Morgana Rides”, “Rollin at 5”, “Screen Saver”, “Funkorama”, “Olde Timey”, “As I Figure”, “Tenebrous Brothers Carnival - Intermission”, “Spy Glass”, “Loopster”, “Constancy Part 3”, “Lithium”, “Enter The Maze”, “Chill Wave”, “Simplex”, “Floating Cities”, “Leaving Home”, “The Chamber”, “Heart of Nowhere”, “Ever Mindful”, “Lost Time”, “Deep Haze” & “Magic Forest”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 

License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

“Suspended Animation” & "Space Race”, by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

The South Park episode Canada on Strike first aired in April 2008 - a “biting” “satire” released well after the Writers Strike had left the news cycle, and one of many media pieces that helped cement the legend that the entire strike had been about The Internet. But one of the many issues that the WGA had brought to the table was the very reason that the South Park team were so annoyed with the Guild in the first place - while the Guild were on strike, South Park and most of the animation industry were still working. Because animation writers are not covered by the Writers Guild.

The WGA wanted jurisdiction over animation in their next contract. But that was an even harder ask than Reality TV, since animation writing was already covered by The Animation Guild, or IATSE Local 839.

CLIPS:

Six Days to Air (Comedy Central)

Canada On Strike (South Park Season 12 Episode 4)

Chris Sanders - Director of How to Train Your Dragon + Lilo & Stitch Cartoons!!! (Directing Animation Podcast #39)

WSC Show #109 - Interview With Patric Verrone (Part 1)

Tina Fey Monologue (Saturday Night Live, 24th February 2008)

WGA Calls for Vote To End Writers Strike (Writers Guild of America)

WGA Calls for Vote To End Writers Strike - Q&A (Writers Guild of America)

Why I’m Striking - Patric Verrone (Deadline)

MUSIC:

“Fork & Spoon”, “C-Funk”, “Divertissement”, “Deadly Roulette”, “Modern, Jazz Samba”, “Fuzzball Parade”, “Bicycle”, “Expeditionary”, “Finding Movement”, “On The Cool Side”, “Groove Grove”, “Floating Cities”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Hard Boiled”, “Leaving Home”, “Lost Frontier”, “On The Ground”, “Odyssey”, “Bossa Antigua”, “Crossing The Divide”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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“Bossy Boots” & “Synapse” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

In 2006, more than a year before the Writers Strike, twelve producers of America’s Next Top Model walked off their job to demand a new contract: as Writers protected by the Writers Guild of America. The production company refused to bargain with the WGA, worried it would set a dangerous precedent by giving Reality TV producers higher wages, residuals and writer credits. The WGA, on the other hand, were determined to set that precedent.

The Top Model Strike was a disaster.

Reality TV was one of the most complicated issues during the 07/08 Writers Strike - because while the WGA demanded blanket coverage of Reality TV Writers, the TV Networks denied reality TV even had writers and filled their schedules with non-union reality TV shows to ride out the strike. And while the WGA had failed to unionise Reality TV workers, the Director’s Guild of America had already been moderately successful, and weren’t asking for it in their next contract - making them a much easier group for the studios to negotiate with.

CLIPS:

WSC #31 - The It’s All Written Reality Show Rally (The Writers Strike Chronicles, 7 December 2007)

America’s Next Top Strike: Reality Show Writers (NPR’s All Things Considered, 15 August 2006)

Pencils Down! The 100 Days of the Writers Guild Strike

My Dad Is Better Than Your Dad Promo

Where We Are And Where We’re Going (The Writers Guild of America, 2 June 2023)

MUSIC:

“Hiding Your Reality”, “Chill Wave”, “Wepa”, “Tech Live”, “Maccary Bay”, “Ancient Mystery Waltz Presto”, “Concentration”, “Bleeping Demo”, “Bicycle”, “Enter the Party”, “Nonstop”, “Leaving Home”, “On The Cool Side”, “Ever Mindful”, “Rollin At 5”, “Lost Frontier”, “Avant Jazz”, “Crypto”, “Tenerous Bros Carnival - Intermission” & “Groove Grove”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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“Bossy Boots”, “VHS Dream” & “Synapse” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

"Bad Boys" by Inner Circle

In 2005, Tim Kring took a 5 hour walk with his old friend Jeph Loeb, and pitched him the pilot episode of his new show - Heroes.

Inspired by a structural writing challenge, a desire to see good in ordinary people and Paul Thomas Anderson’s Magnolia, Heroes was one of the biggest new shows of 2006. By the end of 2007, it had all come crashing down. The Writer’s Strike is often held responsible for Heroes’s demise, but as usual, there’s a lot more to the story.

Content Warning: 

Les Moonves is alleged to have sexually assaulted more than a dozen women since the 1980s. Both CBS executives and LAPD police officers were involved in an attempt to cover-up at least one allegation.

CLIPS USED:

Heroes - Tim Kring on Heroes’ Storytelling (Paley Centre 2007)

Jesse’s Office Ep #20 - Crafting Heroes with Tim Kring

Conan O’Brien on Writing “Marge vs the Monorail”

‘The Alternate Ending’ Heroes S2 Interview

Inside the Writers Strike With a WGA Negotiator (The Town)

WSC Show #31 - It’s All Written Reality Show Rally

MUSIC 

“Raw”, “Crypto”, “Bicycle”, “Screen Saver”, “Groove Grove”, “Marty Gots A Plan”, “Simplex”, “Myst on the Moor”, “Lost Frontier”, “Deep Haze”, “Bleeping Demo”, “Loopster”, “Avant Jazz”, “Enter the Maze”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “Bossa Antigua”, “Oppressive Gloom”, “Spy Glass”, “Intrepid”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “On The Cool Side”, “Floating Cities”, “Tenebrous Brothers Carnival - Intermission”, “Hard Boiled”, "I Knew A Guy," “On The Ground”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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“Bossy Boots" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

In 2005, an American adaption of a UK cringe-com written by a former Simpsons writer became an unexpected hit on iTunes. So despite middling ratings, the show was given a second season and a second chance.

It went on to become the defining sitcom of a generation, and one of the most streamed series of all time.

Through every early development of online content, The Office was right there, riding the wave of technology and culture trends. And when the Writers Guild of America went on strike in 2007, one of the guild’s biggest battlegrounds was The Internet - and The Office writers were there on the picket lines, fighting for the future they had forged.

CLIPS USED:

The Office is Closed (WGA America)

Greg Daniels - Pt. 1 (The Office Deep Dive)

WGAW President Patric Verrone says writers want fair play (WGA West)

Writers Guild of America Strike Announcement - Nov. 2, 2007. (WGA West)

What We’ve Won in Part Negotiations (WGA West)

THE OFFICE (US)

Pilot (S01 E01)

Boys and Girls (S02 E15)

The Negotiation (S03 E19)

Dinner Party (S04 E13)

THE OFFICE (UK)

Downsize (S01 E01)

MUSIC:

“Feelin Good”, “Bicycle”, “Chill Wave”, “Dirt Rhodes”, “Odyssey”, “Too Cool”,  “Magic Scout - Farm”,  “Hard Boiled”, “Loopster”, “I Knew A Guy”, “Bossa Antigua”, “Twisting”, “Bleeping Demo”, “Protofunk”, “Mining By Moonlight”, “Spy Glass”, “Screen Saver”, “Rollin At 5”, “Thinking Music”, “Wisps of Whorls” & “Crypto” 

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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“Bossy Boots" & "VHS Dreams" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Anti- Piracy Music - Melchior Rietveldt (which was never officially licensed for those anti-piracy ads)

Six months of pre-production. Six months of principal photography.

Six weeks in the edit.

Quantum of Solace has long been seen as a victim of the Writers Strike. But the strike was just one of many, many roadblocks that the film blissfully drove straight through.

Striking Out is a new series of Going Rogue about the 07/08 Writers Guild of America strike, exploring the issues of the strike by looking at the films and TV shows affected by it. 

CONTENT WARNING: In 2023 Paul Haggis lost a civil court case and was ordered to pay $7.5million to a woman who accused him of assault. Four other woman testified during the court case. Haggis denies the accusations.

CLIPS USED:

Quantum of Solace (2008)

Casino Royale (2006)

Marc Forster, “Quantum of Solace”: Meet the Filmmaker

Roberto Schafer - Cinematographer (Team Deakins Podcast)

Quantum of Solace: Behind the Scenes (SPE)

Naomi Donne Blog (SPE)

Quantum of Solace: THR Behind the Scenes

Empire Podcast #484 - Daniel Craig, Rami Malek

MUSIC:

“Floating Cities”, “Leaving Home”, “Enter The Maze”, “Hard Boiled”, “I knew A Guy”, “Marty Gots A Plan”, “Crypto”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “Prelude and Action”, “Morgana Rides”, “Bleeping Demo”, “Hitman”, “Groove Grove”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Scissors”, “Ambiment” * “Lost Frontier”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) 

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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“Bossy Boots" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

In 2005, Daniel Craig was announced as the new James Bond. On the same day, producer Michael G Wilson mentioned that work had already started on Craig's second Bond film.

That film would eventually become Quantum of Solace. And it would be remembered less as a film and more as a casualty of the 2007 Writers Strike.  But how much did the strike really affect Quantum of Solace?

Striking Out is a new series of Going Rogue about the 07/08 Writers Guild of America strike, exploring the issues of the strike by looking at the films and TV shows affected by it. 

CONTENT WARNING:

In 2023 Paul Haggis lost a civil court case and was ordered to pay $7.5million to a woman who accused him of assault. Four other woman testified during the court case. Haggis denies the accusations.

CLIPS USED:

Casino Royale (2006)

Quantum of Solace (2008)

Marc Forster, “Quantum of Solace”: Meet the Filmmaker

Roberto Schafer - Cinematographer (Team Deakins Podcast)

WSC Show #109 - Interview With Patric Verrone (Part 1)

New James Bond

Rewriting Collective Insights: Phil Lord at TEDxCoconut Grove

Quantum of Solace: THR Behind the Scenes

MUSIC

“Industrial Cinematic”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “Chill Wave”, “Dirt Rhodes”, “FIX HERE”, “Unanswered Questions”, “Rollin At 5”, “Thinking Music”, “Enter the Maze”, “Crypto”, “Clash Defiant”, “Groove Grove”, “Enter The Maze”, “Prelude And Action”, “Hitman”, “Bicycle”, “Screen Saver”, “Nonstop”, “Floating Cities”, “Leaving Home”, “Satiate Percussion”, “Magic Forest”, “Tenebrous Brothers Carnival - Intermission” & “Bleeping Demo” 

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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“Bossy Boots" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

In 2007, The Writers Guild of America went on strike. In 2023, they might do it again.

So this is season three of Going Rogue: Striking Out.

Striking Out starts on May 7th, with weekly episodes.

This is basically the same promo as the one at the end of Going Solo but now it has a date attached.

For smart threads and dumb memes, follow the show on twitter @GoingRogue_Pod

For a daily update on the various ways Tansy is losing her mind thanks to pop culture and capitalism, follow @TansyClipboard

MUSIC:

"Bleeping Demo" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
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Bossy Boots by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Crank That Soulja Boy - Soulja Boy

On a dark summer night on the set of American Graffiti, Ron Howard asked George Lucas what film he wanted to do next. Lucas was shy with details, but he said it was sort of a Buck Rogers film with Stanley Kubrick special effects, but really, really fast.

Both Howard and Lucas would go onto wildly successful directorial careers, but while George Lucas was stuck in a galaxy far far away, Howard became a journeyman, directing all styles, genres and budgets. When Solo: A Star Wars Story needed a steady pair of hands to take over and get the now director-less film onto screens in just 11 months, Howard was one of the few directors with the experience, technical skill and clout to pull it off.

Howard’s version of Solo was always going to be a compromise. But by picture lock, very little of anyone’s vision remained. Join us for the breakneck conclusion of Going Solo.

You can follow the show on Twitter @goingrogue_pod or, if you want a lot of tweets about Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, you can follow Tansy @tansyclipboard

CLIPS:

Ron Howard Gets A New ‘Solo’ Trailer for May the 4th - The Late Show With Stephen Colbert

Sunday Sit-down with Willie Geist - Ron Howard

Arrested Development

How Did Ron Howard Direct Solo: A Star Wars Story after joining the project so late? (via Entertainment.ie)

The Star Wars Show: Solo Writers Lawrence and Jonathon Kasdan on Scripting Chewbacca’s Lines and More

Peter Serafinowicz on Collider Live

Solo: A Star Wars Story

Solo: A Star Wars Story Deleted Scenes

Happy Sad Confused: Ron Howard Vol. II

MUSIC:

“Whiskey On The Mississippi”, “Adventures in Adventureland”, “Hot Pursuit”, “Smoking Gun”, “Bicycle”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Anamalie”, “Lost Time”, “Nonstop”, “I Can Feel It Coming”, “Simplex”, “Neo Western”, “Enter The Maze”, “Floating Cities”, “Rising”, “River of Io”, “Space Jazz”, “Groove Grove”, “Crypto”, “Ever Mindful”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “Man Down”, “Night Vigil”, “Cut Trance”, “Chill Wave”, “Bleeping Demo”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

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"Quiescent In Time" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

"Jake Lonergan" by Harry Gregson-Williams (Cowboys and Aliens)

“Willow’s Theme” by James Horner (Willow)

Cat noises provided by Sabrina