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Podcast Going Long

Going Long

FCLTGlobal

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Frequency: 1 episode/39d. Total Eps: 52

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Non-profit FCLTGlobal interviews today's leaders in global business and investing to discuss how they are running their companies for the long term, on issues including capital allocation, risk management, climate change, sustainability, and more. Hosted by Sarah Keohane Williamson, CEO of FCLTGlobal. To learn more, visit FCLTGlobal.org.

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S8E3: Karl Kuchel on the Infrastructure Supercycle

Season 8 · Episode 3

Monday, December 15, 2025 • Duration 39:21

On this episode of the Going Long Podcast, Sarah Williamson speaks with Karl Kuchel, Chief Executive Officer of Macquarie Infrastructure Partners and Head of Infrastructure Americas at Macquarie Asset Management. Kuchel explains why infrastructure is in a sustained “supercycle,” driven by energy transition, digitalization, and shifting supply chains, and how AI and data center growth are colliding with power constraints. He also unpacks why infrastructure is fundamentally a stakeholder business, how Macquarie creates value by scaling platforms rather than simply owning mature assets, and what different types of investors should consider as they build and refine their infrastructure allocations for the next decade.

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[00:01:20] The Infrastructure Supercycle and Its Drivers: How structural themes like decarbonization and digitalization, combined with underinvestment and cyclical shifts such as deglobalization and reshoring, are creating broad, sustained demand for infrastructure capital across sectors.

[00:05:20] Global Scale, Local Stakeholders: Why similar digital and energy trends are unfolding across the US, Europe, and Asia-Pacific, and how successful investing depends on pairing a global view with a deep local understanding of regulators, communities, employees, and other stakeholders.

[00:11:45] AI, Data Centers, and Power as the New Constraint: How accelerating AI and data usage are driving unprecedented demand for data centers, why grid constraints and power availability now determine where capacity is built, and why rising costs have not dimmed investor appetite.

[00:18:50] Creating Value Through Growth Platforms: What Macquarie’s Aligned Data Centers journey illustrates about entering thematics early, scaling from a handful of sites to a national platform, exiting to crystallize returns, and focusing on businesses where growth and building are more accretive than simply buying at mature multiples.

[00:25:55] Matching Infrastructure to Investor Objectives: How “infrastructure” spans a spectrum from stable, income-oriented assets to growth- and development-heavy strategies, and why more mature allocators now think in terms of how each exposure complements their existing infrastructure portfolio.

[00:31:37] The Next Decade: Thematics Endure, Discipline Differentiates: Why Kuchel expects today’s big themes – digital, data, power, and deglobalization – to remain in place over the next decade, and how the real test will be which investors paid sensible prices and executed well versus those who overpaid for strong stories.

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S7E8: Wafra's Adel Alderbas on Building Capital Constellation and the Future of GP Staking

Season 7 · Episode 8

Tuesday, May 27, 2025 • Duration 37:40

On this episode of the Going Long Podcast, Sarah Williamson welcomes Adel Alderbas, Chief Investment Officer of Wafra, to discuss how the firm is redefining the landscape of alternatives and pioneering new investment models that benefit both asset owners and emerging managers. For listeners interested in the intersection of long-term investing, alternative assets, and entrepreneurial innovation, this episode offers valuable insights into how to navigate these areas successfully.

Topics include:

[00:02:04] – Introduction and background on Wafra: Adel Alderbas introduces Wafra’s 40-year history and its evolution from a parent-focused firm into a $28 billion global alternatives manager. Their differentiated strategy includes 3 main pillars: strategic investments, real assets, and their real estate investing program.

[00:04:21] – The GP-Staking model explained: Alderbas describes Capital Constellation as a partnership of global investors working together to support emerging asset managers. Wafra’s unique institutional DNA, combining “LP humility” with “GP rigor,” enables it to innovate and lead in alternative investments.
[00:07:46] – The challenges of balancing long-range liabilities with keeping portfolios vibrant: Alderbas emphasizes prioritizing investor entrepreneurs who can build sustainable, value-adding businesses that will outlast their own leadership.
[00:10:39] – The importance of relationship-building: Alderbas highlights the emotional loyalty and stronger alignment that comes from backing investor entrepreneurs early, emphasizing the strategic benefits for asset owners – particularly early co-investment access and valuable market intelligence. He highlights the value of transparency, open dialogue, and intentionally collaborative relationships, contrasting this with the industry’s typical disengaged LP-GP dynamics.
[00:22:14] – Alderbas credits Wafra’s CEO for fostering a culture of transparency and cross-disciplinary collaboration. Alderbas emphasizes breaking down traditional investment silos—like between GPs and LPs or asset classes—which requires top-down commitment, cultural redesign, and a long-term mindset that persists through initial efforts and delayed results.

[00:29:02] – Reflecting on the dual nature of financial innovation in private markets: While tools that increase liquidity enhance accessibility, they also introduce volatility, particularly in stressed environments. Wafra maintains a long-term conviction-based approach, resisting reactive selling to rebalance portfolios when public markets dip.

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