This is a show about all the things they said weren't real.
Guided by strange headlines and ancient mysteries, Jordan and Mal explore the paranormal, metaphysical, and supernatural with all the earnestness and insight two big-hearted nerds can muster.
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Peg Serena is a stop-motion animator and a long-time listener who used to be a science-first skeptic.
But then, when her kids started to ask her about what happens after you die, she realized she didn’t know what to say. Which is how she found herself binge-watching a medium show on Netflix, and eventually hearing the voice of her dead grandfather.
And that was just the beginning.
Peg Serena, circa 2023
Life After Death with Tyler Henry
Bored with her art
Her grandfather’s nickname for her
Forgiveness, 25 years later
Atheist husband
Keeping both doors open
Remembering other experiences
Intense vs. subtle experiences
Talking to a witch
Nudges, bids, and consent
Meditating with trees
Great-grandmother’s nylon stockings
Is unconditional love just what consciousness is?
Psychosis vs. anomalous experience
Grandpa’s pipe
Bliss and the lost art of leisure
A haunted house in the ‘90s
The ghost in the one-hour photo
Grace and umbrellas
UFO memory blocks
Memory isn’t a record, it’s a narrative
Materialism’s influence on memory and perception
“Way, way, way happier” living in an enchanted world
And in the epilogue…
Michael Singer
Fast and testimony meetings
Unanswered prayers
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Are we living in the corpse of Lucifer?
Season 3 · Episode 14
Thursday, October 22, 2026 • Duration 38:37
For almost all of human history, nobody had a word for animism, because they just intuitively knew everything in the world is alive.
Enter: science, which is very good at taking things apart to see how they work. But typically when you take something apart, like, say, a frog, it dies.
This week James Taylor Foreman (of The Metaphor) explains that objects object, and how this connects to the idea that the world is full of gods, including the one that prevents you from facing the wrong direction in a movie theater.
Trust us, it’ll make sense later.
“Reality is narrative, and our only job is to make it beautiful.”
The gods framework vs. the rationalists’ consciousness talk
David Abram’s The Spell of the Sensuous
David Bentley Hart
Animism
“We live in the corpse of Lucifer”
Materialism is a brand-new psychotechnology
Objective literally means “that which objects”
Science is a basilisk — this was from C.S. Lewis: "Perhaps, in the nature of things, analytical understanding must always be a basilisk which kills what it sees and only sees by killing."
Things that can’t be studied after the body dies
Learning to dance vs. explaining dancing
Being hyper-verbal is a disorder
Point out someone’s gift and they can’t do it anymore
The yips
The letterman jacket problem
Un-knowing something is as impossible as returning to Eden
Is there something it feels like to be an egregore?
The ghost in the green hat
Telos
Christ consciousness (ish)
Progress only gets made by people who break the egregore
Too much order, too much chaos, and the Tao
Plato: learning is remembering
Aiming at heaven vs. surfing the moment
Catholic confession
The kingdom of heaven = behaviors that iterate well
Addiction is a pattern that destroys its host
Why two sexes? Parasites
Also: spiritual parasites
Thoreau (bummer)
George Eliot: despair as “the painful eagerness of unfed hope”
Mal’s college paper on smell and attraction
As in the blood cell, so in the Jordan
Analogy is the rule, not the exception
Why “anthropomorphize” is a dirty word
Science as method vs. ontology
Parasitic scientists
The blind men and the elephant
And in the epilogue…
Did Brian Johnson make a deal with the devil?
James’ childhood seizures that took away his power of speech
Faith, doubt, entropy, death, and psychedelics
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Fact, Fiction, and Fairies with Josh Cutchin
Season 3 · Episode 13
Thursday, October 15, 2026 • Duration 59:08
Joshua Cutchin has spent more than a decade exploring the wide territory of the paranormal — fairy food, brimstone smells, Bigfoot, the dead.…
What do most people think isn’t real, but he does?
The line between fact and fiction is very, very blurry.
For example: stigmata. Christ would have been nailed to the cross through the wrists, but stigmatists bleed from the palms, which is where the wounds are in most paintings. Or fairies, who for centuries were human-sized and wingless, until broadly distributed storybooks gave them wings. Now, when people see fairies, they see wings.
So, uh, what’s going on here?
You might have to just decide for yourself.
Josh’s extensive bibliography
Creative pressure builds like a boil
Is writing a paranormal experience?
Academic vs fiction vs casual nonfiction
The thing Josh believes that most people don’t
Nobody is rational
Archetypes, egregores, tulpas
Ghosts slam doors, but you can’t grab one
Stigmata
Fairies
Reality is squishy
“It’s all consciousness” is a boring reduction (so is: it’s all ones and zeros)
The third space of meaning
Josh thinks space is boring, but Jordan is still obsessed
Out-of-bounds video game maps
Escapism vs. awe
Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Scrolling TikTok
Jesus vs. Christ: “the source code of the universe” became flesh
Jeffrey Kripal and the human as two
The yugas
Climbing mountains and Mormon temples
Religion as the ultimate fake-it-till-you-make-it
What’s wrong with the Ark Encounter?
Jung’s Red Book: the problem is how we treat fairy tales
Faith playing footsie with materialism
Load-bearing truth claims
Virtue for its own sake
“Above my pay grade”
Discernment
And in the epilogue…
Ghosts aren’t dead people
Escapism vs awe
Egomaxxing
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Tom Maxwell and the Night Parade
Season 3 · Episode 12
Thursday, October 8, 2026 • Duration 01:01:43
Tom returns! Mostly to tell us about his new show (the one he left us for), which tbf is straight fire.
Then, honestly it’s just the three of us hanging out for like an hour, just in case you’ve been hankering for some unstructured conversation between the three of us.
What do most people not think is real, but Tom does?
Raised by Depression babies
The Night Parade on SpectreVision Radio — where extra meets ordinary
(Not Festivities in the After Hours)
The goat man and the spirit of coffee
Joseph Campbell × James Burke’s Connections
GGU calved
Aggregate experiencer data
Creative process talk
Diabolical Lies
Shelved with Emrys
“Where is my love for this?”
Mal’s elephants
Anyone who tells you you’re insufficient is out of their mind
Resistance commensurate with change
This from Autumn Christian
Unlimiting other people
Why Lady Gaga tried to be the weirdest person in the room
Jung: the unreconciled becomes fate
“If you want to know how someone feels inside, hang out with them and see how you feel afterward”
Insane people calling Mal ugly
Systems that teach you not to trust your gut
Sovereignty
“Your feelings are real, but not necessarily true”
The physiological reality of feelings, and how they start (and end) in the body
Somatic healing
Self occupies form
Charles Fort and the procession of the damned
The Hyakki Yagyō
James Baldwin
“If you take the time to look at something, it will reveal itself”
Diversity as epistemology
The 1841 Tennessee rain of flesh
Odysseus and the shade of Achilles
You are the arbiter of meaning
Meaninglessness and boredom
Amy Tan’s The Backyard Bird Chronicles
Asking to be entertained is the least agentic thing a person can do
Daniel Noah and rocks
Blake, Auguries of Innocence
And in the epilogue…(which was actually a prologue)
Does your God agree with your politics?
Potty-training your inner critic
Are you a zero-to-one guy, or a 2 to 10 guy?
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Daniel Noah on the memory of rocks
Season 3 · Episode 11
Thursday, October 1, 2026 • Duration 47:06
Daniel Noah co-founded SpectreVision with Elijah Wood, and then spun up SpectreVision Radio Network.
Also, he thinks rocks are alive.
This episode is full of wonderful stories.
Rocks are alive! But what does that mean?
Jordan’s first Hare Krishna chant, and meditating on a polished moonstone
Nothing gets simpler the closer you look
Empaths, clairsentience, and emotional wallpaper
Elder Joshua Tree boulders
A stone triangle revealed by moonlight
His wife felt it. So did Ryan Singer of Late Night on the Astral Plane
The Tongva: a creation myth about harmony, and elders who pass into rock
The Doors lived in Daniel’s house
The Doors of Perception and Death by Astonishment
Why did so many musicians move to Laurel Canyon at once?
The boy who collects rocks on The Telepathy Tapes
Autistic kids don’t feel less
Daniel shows us some rocks
Everybody Needs a Rock by Byrd Baylor
Stone tape theory (and the 1972 BBC film The Stone Tape)
“Pseudo” science
Mystical traditions are soul technology (thanks Kelly Chase)
“Unintelligible intellectually but fully resonant emotionally”
Animism
Negotiating with the spirits of a haunted house
Things vanish, some of them reappear
The trickster gives you enough to keep you guessing, but never enough to convince a skeptic
Robin Lassiter’s Earth: A Love Story and the synchronicity addiction
We are attractors
Hellier and Operation Trojan Horse
Book encounters
Daniel’s books are pulling themselves off the shelves
Attention as magnetism
Alters
One-downing
Jordan’s experience at Old North Bridge 20 years ago
Attention must be trained
Meditation before “cosmic encounters”
High Strangeness
And in the epilogue…
Daniel’s stories of contact with NHI
What are “aliens”?
Deceit and biological envy
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Can consciousness exist without a body?
Season 3 · Episode 10
Friday, September 25, 2026 • Duration 54:04
We discuss a recent claim by a prominent scientist that consciousness can't exist outside a flesh-and-blood body, whether uploading your mind would capture you or just a copy of your cognition, why we understand death about as well as we understand sleep (barely), and whether the first person to live to 500 would be lucky or cursed.
Jordan makes the case that immortality might be monstrous. Mal says death is the salt of life.
A scientist claims consciousness can’t exist outside a body
“You are more than your body” — but you are also your body
“How the hell do you know what happens when you die?”
Prize goes to the first person to die, turn to mulch, then come back and tell us what happened
The pharmacy of the body
The kids in The Telepathy Tapes
Energy bodies, astral bodies, and the limits of Western materialism (round and round we go)
If we don’t understand sleep, how do we understand death?
Uploading cognition vs awareness
Every human project is an immortality project
BJ Miller on why we treat the disabled as angels or monsters
Dracula is a class narrative
People have been saying the first person to live to 500 has already been born
Immortality is monstrous because death is what makes us human
Adam Miller on the unexpected spiritual consequence of “transhumanist” longevity
Oliver Burkeman on the freedom of limits
What the body knows, and the risks of resisting resistance
Mormon stuff
And in the epilogue…
How to protect the part of yourself that creates
Rebecca Black (yep)
Not the Bible (oops)
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Is certainty a type of psychosis?
Season 3 · Episode 9
Monday, September 21, 2026 • Duration 45:24
This week we’re joined by a bonafide listener! Elliott Chadwick emailed us a story about a young man on anti-psychotic meds who turned out not to be psychotic. We had to know more, so we invited him on the show.
Mal also tells us about her brother, and the strange and beautiful world he inhabits, and we talk about how to tell the difference between numinous experiences and psychotic episodes.
It’s a doozy.
Elliott is a psychiatric nurse practitioner turned bodyworker, and co-host of The Glimmerance — a show about creativity and spirituality against the materialist overculture
What do most people think isn’t real, but Elliott does? “Not all hallucinations are psychiatric symptoms”
Nearly an atheist a few years ago
The dark figure in the young man’s room
“Have you ever tried to ask this guy to go away?”
What antipsychotics meds do to a brain that isn’t psychotic
Trauma, fight-or-flight, and the brain filling in the corners
“Magical thinking”
What’s the difference between people like Robin Lassiter and Kelly Chase and psych patients?
Mal’s brother, and the mind he calls “Chuck” (Charles Bonnet syndrome)
“Sometimes I swear he’s connected to something beautiful”
“Certainty is a kind of psychosis”
Too much certainty about death, poverty, or God is delusion
Maturity is the capacity to hold two opposing truths at once
An arsonist who believed he owned the building
Thin places
A case against absolutism
“dead with daddy” (from Taylor Tomlinson’s Netflix special)
And in the epilogue…
Drugs
Anti-materialism conversion story
A story about telepathy between his grandparents
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Mike Clelland on Owls and Death
Season 3 · Episode 8
Monday, September 14, 2026 • Duration 47:17
Mike Clelland is the owl guy. For fifteen years, people have been sending him their stories — owls and UFOs, owls and meditation, owls and mushrooms, owls and shamanic initiation. “That’s my research,” he says. “I get up and open my email inbox.”
And now he’s writing a book about owls and death.
We had Mike on the show over a year ago, and this is his long overdue return to Gods, Ghosts & UFOs.
Mike’s novel The Unseen
How mythic, archetypal symbolism wells up in the world
Death by Astonishment by Andrew Gallimore — how the brain builds worlds out of noisy sensory data
“All points in time and space are connected”
Thank God for filters
The five owl symbolic relationships: UFOs, meditation, psychedelics, shamanic initiation, death
The owl isn’t connected to UFOs, it is a totem of transformation
“I took a truckload of mushrooms and saw a 30-foot glowing owl in my bedroom.”
Mike’s story about his mom, Alzheimer’s, and a black-footed ferret
“I know there’s an afterlife, and I know because of an owl”
Sometimes an owl is just an owl
What makes a sign a sign?
A stranger’s prayer
Mechanisms vs. magic
Mallory’s owl story (which happened very soon after our first episode with Mike)
God speaks in a language you understand
Resist firmly defining the meaning of synchronicities
Awe pushes us toward bravery and hope
How Mallory got the fire back for writing
Owl biology
Can you invite mystical experiences?
More amazing stories
One owl, two completely different synchronistic experiences
And in the epilogue…
Mike’s new book (and a sequel to The Unseen)
Mallory’s screenplay
Jordan’s novel
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Do religious people actually believe in the unseen?
Season 3 · Episode 7
Monday, September 7, 2026 • Duration 50:39
Kelly Chase (Inquiry with Kelly Chase) is back, which makes her the default president of the GGU returning-guests club. This week, we ask the question we’re asking everyone: what do most people think isn't real that you do?
She gives a spicy answer. She claims that most people behave like materialists, even if they go to church.
From there, we talk about what the evidences of belief actually are, and how it relates to “conversion.” Kelly explains how her own experience rewrote her whole value system in a matter of seconds five years ago.
As usual, we figured everything out and solved all the world’s problems.
You’re welcome!
Most people behave like materialists, even the religious ones
Religion as lava that cools into obsidian
The reemergence of the feminine
“Tell me what music is.”
“The greatest evidence it happened is me”
Great evidence for an individual, terrible evidence for the collective
The old version of Kelly is horrified, tied up in a back room somewhere
Molly Drake — “I remember firelight, and you remember smoke”
Conversion is what you do, not what you say
All behavior is downstream of belief
“I think my job is fake”
Is everyone waking up?
AI is literally sociopathic
And in the epilogue…
Kelly tells us about how she recently maybe saw fairies (possibly our best paywall-bait yet)
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Scientism Is Anti-Science | Robert Frederick on Francis Bacon
Season 3 · Episode 6
Friday, September 4, 2026 • Duration 36:32
Our guest today, Robert Frederick, studies Sir Francis Bacon — the Elizabethan lawyer, spy, and philosopher usually credited as the father of modern science. Robert claims that Bacon is the father of both modern science and scientism.
If you’re thinking, “What the hell is scientism?” then this is the episode for you.
We talk about why saying “trust the science” is motivated by the same thing that makes people say “trust in God,” and how Francis Bacon was both a once-in-a-generation polymath, and also a pompous idiot who stripped culture of metaphysics.
Jordan also contends that true religion and real science should be the same thing, but that they both get corrupted in basically the same way.
Guys it’s a good one. (Isn’t it always?)
Shout out to the God’s Eye View podcast
Science and scientism
Bacon vs. Aristotle
Deductive vs. Inductive reasoning
Scientism is anti-science
How Bacon got rid of metaphysics
Bacon might have been Gnostic (and what that means)
You can’t build a government out of data
Effective altruists are “a special kind of stupid”
We’re already post-scarcity
Yuval Noah Harari is the latest and greatest Bacon booster
We’re definitely coming back for a Part 2, in which Robert will explain how he knows Bacon was actually Shakespeare
Find Robert Frederick’s work at The Hidden Life is Best
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