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| S3E11 - Navigating Politics When in a Significant Minority Position with Senator Ethan Corson | 26 May 2025 | 01:16:52 | |
In this conversation, District 7 Kansas State Senator Ethan Corson discusses his background, career, and the importance of civil dialogue in politics. He shares insights on navigating a Republican supermajority in the Senate, the differences between federal and state politics, and the significance of communication and listening skills in legislative processes. Ethan Corson emphasizes the need for respectful conversations and the role of civil dialogue in preserving democracy, while also reflecting on his personal motivations for entering politics and the challenges faced in today's political climate. Learn more: Meet Ethan Corson (Wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Corson Ethan Corson Campaign Website https://www.ethanforkansas.com/about Senator Ethan Corson at the Kansas Statehouse https://www.kslegislature.gov/li/b2025_26/members/sen_corson_ethan_1/ How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Recorded May 7, 2025, using Riverside.fm from Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, May 26, 2025. | |||
| S3E10 States Rights vs Federal Rights | 12 May 2025 | 00:56:11 | |
The Constitution has been the guiding document for the United State of America for nearly 250 years. The documents cover a wide range of issues which make it possible for people in a large, diverse country to live peacefully and harmoniously, most of the time. One of the important topics it addresses is the issue of which powers are “reserved” for States and which powers are “enumerated” for Federal government. Of course, it is not always so clear. In this episode, Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus discuss the concept of states' rights, exploring its historical context, evolution, and current implications, particularly in relation to education. They examine the tension between federal and state powers, the role of the 10th Amendment, and the influence of federal policies on local education systems. The discussion highlights concerns over public funding and the quality of education, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to governance. Learn more: The Constitution: From the National Constitution Center https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution What are States Rights and What is Federalism? (From PBS WHYY “Your Democracy”) https://youtu.be/4xKPhMesFPo?si=K9DXvbsHiYp7oo2m Federalism: Balancing State vs. Federal Powers https://pluralpolicy.com/blog/state-vs-federal-powers/ In what ways are States Rights coming into conflict with Federal Rights today in the Trump Administration? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/in-what-ways-are-states-rights-iMg.uze2Sv6dmfLDJ6Dq0w How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Recorded May 1, 2025, using Riverside.fm from Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, May 12, 2025. | |||
| S3E1 - Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 1 | 06 Jan 2025 | 00:37:34 | |
What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the past…but now question its value. In this two-part podcast they discuss the film and its relevance. In this Part 1 they do their best movie critic impersonations by reviewing and rating the film. In Part 2 they will do a deeper dive in their discussion of the film focusing what it gets right, what it gets wrong, and the most critical takeaways each had from the film. Learn more: The Social Dilemma website: https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/ The Social Dilemma on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81254224 The Battle for Your Time: Exposing the Costs of Social Media (TED Talk by Dino Abrosi) - https://youtu.be/4TMPXK9tw5U From Perplexity: What are the reactions people have to the Netflix film The Social Dilemma? - https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-are-the-reactions-people-c8kgdjtBRnqSKNFWVzxTxQ Analysis of The Social Dilemma by Dr. Todd Grande: https://youtu.be/gxgJqDjAq74?si=YTPL8hEpVXB5RXY6 What The Social Dilemma Gets Wrong by Facebook: https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/What-The-Social-Dilemma-Gets-Wrong.pdf Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: January 6, 2025 | |||
| S2E21 - It's a Wrap! 2024 and Season 2 | 23 Dec 2024 | 00:48:54 | |
About this Episode It’s a wrap on Season 2 of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom and on 2024. In this episode Lamar and Tom talk about holiday traditions and foods and they discuss their favorite Christmas movies. They take a few minutes to reflect on what they’ve learned doing the podcast in 2024 and what they would like to do in the future. They wander briefly into politics to discuss the most recent Congressional budget debacle. Finally, they remember the contributions of Tony Campolo to their lives, a minister and sociologist who passed away on November 19th. Learn more: Frederick, Maryland’s Sailing through the Winter Solstice by Color on the Creek, https://downtownfrederick.org/event/sailing-through-the-winter-solstice-by-color-on-the-creek/ December 2024 Budget Bill Debacle: https://apnews.com/article/congress-budget-trump-musk-johnson-5dc9fd8672f9807189032811d4ab0528 About Tony Campolo: https://www.eastern.edu/student-life/scholarship-cohorts/campolo-center-ministry/about-tony-campolo Article featuring a great quote by Tony Campolo: https://anabaptistworld.org/tony-campolo-sociologist-and-famed-red-letter-christian-has-died/ A Reasonable Faith by Tony Campolo: https://a.co/d/53SIJIO Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: December 23, 2024 | |||
| S2E20 - Journalist Alex Bhattacharji | 09 Dec 2024 | 01:21:20 | |
Today Lamar and Tom welcome award winning journalist Alex Battacharji to Getting to 3rd Space. Alex is the author of ‘We Didn’t Know What Was Next. Nobody Tells You.’ on Inc.com published on December 2,2024. The article is about the mass shooting at Excel Industries eight years later. Excel is where Lamar was the head of human resources at the time of the shooting. Previously we have aired an interview with Lamar about his experience. As with those previous podcasts, we want to let people know that some of our discussion may include descriptions of violence. If this podcast is difficult for you to listen to, we invite you to skip ahead to parts of the conversation that are more comfortable for you. Meet Alex Bhattachargi Alex Bhattacharji is an award-winning journalist, editor, writer, and producer. In two decades as an editor, Alex led and launched culture-shaping publications (such as Conde Nast’s Details), worked with some of America’s leading writers, championed new voices, and was recognized with the National Magazine Award for General Excellence. As a writer, Alex has produced profiles, essays, and narrative features. His work has appeared in numerous publications, including Conde Nast Traveler, Details, Esquire, GQ, The Hollywood Reporter, Inc., InStyle, Los Angeles Magazine, The Los Angeles Times, Men’s Health, Men’s Journal, The New York Times, Rolling Stone, Town & Country, Travel + Leisure, Wired, and the Wall Street Journal Magazine. In 2024, Alex co-founded Feather Well Productions, which develops narrative audio, print, and film projects that originate in the non-fiction space but have the potential to go far beyond. A proud son of Flatbush, Alex followed the Dodgers’ path, leaving Brooklyn for Los Angeles’ East Side, where he resides with his wife and dog. To Learn More Learn more about Alex Battacharji at https://www.alexbhattacharji.com/ ‘We Didn’t Know What Was Next. Nobody Tells You.’ by Alex Bhattacharji. Inc.com. December 2, 2024 Lamar and Tom Discuss the Excel Shooting - Part 1 Lamar and Tom Discuss the Excel Shooting - Part 2 For more from Alex Battacharji see, Inside Sammy Davis Jr.’s Secret Satanic Past from the August 4, 2024 issue of Rolling Stone at https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/sammy-davis-jr-satanism-anton-lavey-1235070544/ Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Contact Us Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Watch the Podcast Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Rothimages, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Rothimages, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E19 - Donald Trump's Cabinet Picks and Our Thanksgiving Special | 25 Nov 2024 | 00:55:29 | |
During this past couple of weeks President-elect Donald Trump has been making nominations for his cabinet. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about a few of his nominations. Please note, though, that politics and news changes quickly and so did at least one of his nominees discussed in this podcast. By the time we posted this podcast to the internet about 4 days later, the nominee had withdrawn. That’s how things happen sometimes, and so we have to be prepared to swerve and then keep going. Also, this podcast is also a Thanksgiving Holiday Special for Lamar and Tom as they really talk turkey (with occasional bad puns). And, of course, they talk a bit of Hawkeye football and basketball. Learn more: Tracking Trump’s Cabinet and Staff Nominations https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/politics/trump-administration-cabinet-appointees.html Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Contact Us Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Watch the Podcast Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E18 - The 2024 Presidential Election | 11 Nov 2024 | 01:04:07 | |
The 2024 Presidential Election The 2024 Presidential Election is over. It’s been a long and eventful political season. In this episode Lamar and Tom discuss their thoughts on it. About This Episode They also talk about errant tumbleweeds, meteors (or possibly space junk), and upcoming podcasts. Please note: In the last few minutes of the podcast, a software issue caused our images to "flip" (change places) on the screen. You are not imagining it and it is nothing to be concerned about. It did not impact the flow of the podcast. We just didn't want you to think you were seeing things. Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Contact Us Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Watch the Podcast Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E16 - We Are Back...Almost | 21 Sep 2024 | 00:24:15 | |
Wow, life happens and sometimes it can be exciting even if it is disruptive. In our case it has been both exciting and disruptive, and we needed to suspend our podcast briefly but we are working our way back. We’ve recorded this brief podcast to catch you up on what has been happening. And, wow, have we missed a lot of stuff while we’ve been away. We are taking a brief hiatus but we’ll be back sooner than you might imagine. Maybe even sooner than you had hoped! Thanks for your patience and keep checking back here for the next podcast. Learn more: The following links are to articles, podcasts, and videos related to today’s topic.
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. When we come back full time, we’ll also be on YouTube again but likely with a new address. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E15 - Quieting the Noise of this Political Season | 05 Aug 2024 | 00:51:24 | |
Whether we like it, love it, or hate it, we are now in the midst of a full-blown Presidential campaign. The news just keeps happening. After the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, President Joe Biden decided to end his run for a second term. He endorsed his Vice President, Kamala Harris, and all political parties are now in full campaign mode. As a result, conversations about politics will be unavoidable for most of us. Though we try to avoid politics in our podcast, we are going to try something a bit different. We are going to talk about the issues in the campaign (not the personalities) and offer some suggestions for how you can have similar conversations on political topics. This week we are going to focus on how you can silence the noise being produced by the campaigns and become more clear about how you feel about the issues. The links below will take you to some websites where you can learn more about media bias and where you can do your own fact checking…without the noise, without the pundits. Learn more: The following links are to articles, podcasts, and videos related to today’s topic.
To check the bias of news outlets:
To fact check news yourself:
For conversation opportunities:
Party Platforms:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E14 - An Assassination Attempt and Turning Down the Temp | 22 Jul 2024 | 00:54:57 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! As we were preparing for our next podcast, former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. One bullet grazed his right ear and bullets struck three people in the audience. One died and two others were seriously wounded. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the escalation of violent rhetoric in the 2024 U.S. Presidential campaign and the need to turn down the temperature by choosing our words and language more carefully. They discuss four suggestions for making this campaign more civil in the wake of the Trump assassination attempt, offered by Luke Hallam in his Persuasion article titled How to Walk Back from the Brink - https://www.persuasion.community/p/how-to-walk-back-from-the-brink?r=5pobe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true Learn more: The following links are to articles, podcasts, and videos related to today’s topic.
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E13 - Excel Shooting Part 2 | 08 Jul 2024 | 00:47:56 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH. In our last podcast we started a conversation with Lamar about the February 25, 2016 mass shooting at Excel Industries in Hesston, Kansas. Lamar was the Director of Human Resources at Excel and his leadership role thrust him into the midst of dealing with the shooting and its aftermath on behalf of the company. That’s what we discussed in our last podcast. Today, though, we are going to do a dive into the personal impact of the shooting for Lamar, his family, and his community. Hesston, Kansas is a Mennonite community. Mennonites are a Christian sect which are often confused with the Amish because they share a religious history. Mennonites are one of three historic “peace” churches in the Christian tradition, the other two being Quakers and Church of Brethren. Lamar and his wife Karla grew up in Mennonite families and raised their children in the Mennonite church. Excel Industries was also owned by a Mennonite family and Hesston College, a Mennonite school, was founded in the community in 1909. Knowing about these deep, pacifist Mennonite roots of Hesston, Kansas is important for understanding and appreciating both the trauma of the event on the people of the community and, also, how they responded. If you haven’t had a chance to listen or watch the previous podcast that tells the story of the shooting, we hope you’ll do that before jumping into this one. It gives you important context for more fully appreciating this episode. You can link to that podcast here: https://youtu.be/4DdRiCDbtz4?si=gUsj7IStpa7biEh9. We realize this may not be an easy topic for some of our listeners.If, by watching or listening to this podcast, you are affected and need to talk with someone, we encourage you to call or text 988 or go online to the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. As we did in the last podcast, I’ll be serving as the interviewer and Lamar will be in the “guest role.” Now, I’ve opened the door to the Green Room and Lamar will join us in a moment. Learn more:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
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| S2E12 - Excel Shooting Part 1 | 27 Jun 2024 | 00:52:25 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH. On February 25, 2016, Lamar Roth, cohost of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom, was Director of Human Resources for Excel Manufacturing in Hesston, Kansas. Cedric Ford, an Excel employee, entered the building and began shooting. That day four people died, including Cedric, more than a dozen others were wounded, and many, many more in Hesston, Kansas were traumatized by the events. In this podcast, and the next episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the mass shooting. We realize this may not be an easy topic for some of our listeners. If, by watching or listening to this podcast, you are affected and need to talk with someone, we encourage you to call or text 988 or go online to the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. Learn more: Hesston Shootings (Wikipedia) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesston_shootings Officials: Four dead, 14 wounded in shooting at Excel Industries in Hesston - https://www.ksn.com/news/officials-four-dead-14-wounded-in-shooting-at-excel-industries-in-hesston/ Police Chief who killed active shooter speaks publicly (includes a timeline) - https://apnews.com/e6063286b32a4f8cba87e3bb18fa3cca Shooting at Excel Industries: Looking Back & Moving Forward -https://www.rurallifestyledealer.com/blogs/1-from-the-desk-of-rld/post/8222-shooting-at-excel-industries-looking-back-moving-forward Hesston community remembers Excel shooting five years later - https://www.kwch.com/2021/02/25/hesston-community-remembers-excel-shooting-5-years-later/ Victory in gun dealer lawsuit: Global $2 million settlement reached with gun dealer who transferred firearms used in Excel Industries mass shooting - https://www.bradyunited.org/about-us/press/two-million-dollar-settlement-reached-with-gun-dealer-who-transferred-firearms-used-in-mass-shooting To watch the 2020 interview with Lamar Roth - Leading Through Traumatic Disruptive Events: A Conversation with Lamar Roth - https://youtu.be/3sEUEjUgINc?si=tkYAr7z0sJZyQG8V Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film, but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S3E9 - What Does it Mean to "Buy American"? | 28 Apr 2025 | 01:00:20 | |
Do you “buy American?” If so, what does that mean? Does it mean you “buy American” all of the time? Does it mean you purchase only those items that are both sourced and manufactured in the United States? Or, does it mean you purchase items that are “made in the USA” but with materials that come from outside the country? What about services? To “buy American” may not be as easy as it once was, with or without tariffs. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about their experiences of buying American, how it has changed over time, and explore what it might mean today. Learn more: 2024 Cars.com American-Made Index: Which Cars Are the Most American? https://www.cars.com/articles/2024-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-484903/ Silicon, USA: Technology That's Actually Made in America https://www.pcmag.com/news/silicon-usa-technology-made-in-america What Farm Tractors are Made in the USA? https://www.hometownstation.com/news-articles/what-farm-tractors-are-made-in-the-us-365943 It’s Your Turn: We suggest you Google this question: What percentage of food consumed in the USA is actually produced in the USA? How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Recorded April 16, 2025; Original Publishing Date April 28, 2025 | |||
| S2E11 - Conversation with Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn | 10 Jun 2024 | 00:59:09 | |
Lamar and Tom talk with Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom welcome Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn. Senator McGinn has represented the 31st District as a Republican since 2005. Prior to serving in the Kansas Senate, she was a Sedgwick County Commissioner. She and her husband, Mark, own and operate McGinn’s Grapes and Grain, a family farm outside of Wichita, Kansas. In 2012 Senator McGinn was one of nine Kansas senators whose seats were targeted by members of the “Right Wing” of the Republican party. She was the only one who was able to retain her seat. In January 2025, Carolyn McGinn will retire from some 26 years in political life. She and Mark will focus their retirement on using their farm to promote agri-tourism. In this interview she reflects on her years in public service and talks with Lamar and Tom about the importance of civil dialogue and discussion in passing legislation to benefit communities. Learn more about Carolyn McGinn:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| A Getting to 3rd Space Redux: Barriers, Bears, & Gummy Bears (S1E3) | 27 May 2024 | 00:42:14 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! If you are in the United States, it is a holiday (Memorial Day). Tom’s out chasing a golf ball around a local golf course and Lamar is out taking more beautiful photos. At least, that’s what we hope we are doing today. In our absence, we are offering a redux of one of our earliest podcasts from October 21, 2023. We titled it Barriers, Bears, and Gummy Bears. We won’t say it is a “Best of” Getting to Third Space because we were still learning a lot about doing a podcast. However, the topic is important because it focuses on the barriers that often prevent us from having difficult but important conversations with family, friends, and peers.The barriers we consider are internal barriers - those attitudes, ideas, expectations, even beliefs we hold - that may hold us back from engaging in civil conversation with people whose ideas, opinions, experiences, and lives are different from our own. Then we offer four guidelines for overcoming or “checking” those barriers to make it easier to engage others. Finally, we talk about bears. :-) We hope you enjoy hearing it again (or for the first time). And we hope you are doing something relaxing and fun today as well…whether it is a holiday or not where you live. We’ll be back with a new podcast on June 10th. See you then! Learn more: Links to items related to the show, for example:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E10 - A Table Talk about Gun Regulation | 13 May 2024 | 00:48:14 | |
About Today’s Episode - A Table Talk on Gun Regulation Today’s show features a Table Talk about gun regulation. You’ll remember that Table Talk is a new, occasional feature that we’ll include in Getting to Third Space. It was inspired by the kitchen table in the farm homes we grew up in where it was a central gathering place. Not only did we eat there, but we played games, entertained guests, and had conversations. Sometimes the conversations were light and fun. Sometimes they were serious conversations about differing ideas and perspectives on important issues. The subjects being tackled in our Table Talks have no simple solution so don’t expect us to resolve anything. However, they allow us to both experience and model many of the concepts and tools we’ve been discussing in this podcast. Before issues can be resolved, we have to be able to talk about them in a civil conversation, especially when we disagree. We hope our Table Talks will inspire and guide you to have your own Table Talks on this and other subjects. In our first Table Talk we discussed self-driving vehicles. In this one we move into a more controversial top with two important questions: 1) Should gun ownership be regulated? And, if so, 2) how should gun ownership be regulated? Learn more: Links to items related to the show:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E9 A Table Talk about Self-Driving Vehicles | 29 Apr 2024 | 00:37:04 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this episode we introduce a new feature for the podcast: Table Talk. In the farm homes where we both grew up, the kitchen table was a central gathering place. Not only did we eat there, but we played games, entertained guests, and had conversations. Sometimes the conversations were light and fun. Sometimes they were serious conversations about differing ideas and perspectives on important issues. In this Table Talk, we will pose a question and then discuss it together, much in the same way we would as if we were sitting around one of our kitchen tables having a conversation. The subjects being tackled in our Table Talks have no simple solution so don’t expect us to resolve anything. However, they allow us to both experience and model many of the concepts and tools we’ve been discussing in this podcast. Before issues can be resolved, we have to be able to talk about them in a civil conversation, especially when we disagree. We hope our Table Talks will inspire and guide you to have your own Table Talks on this and other subjects. . Today we begin with the topic of self-driving vehicles and this question: Do we really need self-driving vehicles? Learn more: Links to items related to the show, for example:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E8 - Perception & Reality | 15 Apr 2024 | 00:59:12 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar and Tom tackle the subject of perception and reality. They talk about how one’s perception informs, even creates, their reality and how that can impact one’s credibility in dialogue and conversation. Learn more: Links to items related to the show, for example:
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits:
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E7 - April Fools, Technology & Authentic Communication | 01 Apr 2024 | 00:46:15 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! Technology can be either a friend or foe in Third Space dialogues. In this show Lamar and Tom pick up on a comment from a listener who felt we were missing an important point in having Third Space dialogues: the role of technology in communication. Today Lamar and Tom explore the ways it can be useful and not so useful in Third Space. Learn more: Here is a mixture of articles (business, personal opinion, and academic) and a video that highlight some of the issues Lamar and Tom have been trying to bring out today.
Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| 20240318 S2E6 What are First and Second Spaces | 18 Mar 2024 | 01:01:35 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! You know that a Third Space is a place of conversation and dialogue where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and respectful inquiry. If this is a Third Space, what does a First and Second space look like? That’s the question Lamar and Tom explore in this episode. What do you think? How does your experience of First and Second space line up with theirs? Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third Space is on all major audio podcast platforms including Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and Apple Podcasts. You can also watch us doing the podcast on the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Once there, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Or, if you like, copy and paste this link into your browser and it will take directly to that playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwopowpXKCcrS7PV5MsdmHPANTzBKu_b Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us with a comment, suggestion, ideas for guests or topics, or just to say hello, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
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| S2E5 - Part 2 - Conversation with Ed Shrager | 04 Mar 2024 | 00:48:23 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! This is part 2 of our conversation with Ed Shrager. In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk with Ed from his home in London. Ed is a Charity Culture Catalyst who works with charities (nonprofits) in the United Kingdom to help them strengthen their organizational culture. Through resources and facilitation he helps them create more human and humane organizations for employees and their clients. Ed is also the creator The King Prawn, an app to help people in the workplace build more connected relationships for collaboration. Finally, Ed has become quite comfortable working with Artificial Intelligence and talks with Lamar and Tom about both the challenges and opportunities presented by the technology. This episode begins with Ed describing a project he has undertaken with his aunt Rosemary Shrager, a celebrity chef in the UK. Learn more: Caitlin Clark YouTube: See what Lamar missed when he went to the bathroom at the Iowa Hawkeyes game at: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxA0OZ2RCIPrFB840Gi0HvL-pRHhX435hZ?si=AxoVHesJIqx7GpSm About the British custom of saluting magpies: https://www.countrylife.co.uk/country-life/how-to-salute-a-magpie-70304 Charity Culture Catalyst: https://charityculturecatalyst.com/main-menu/ BeHumankind: https://members.behuman-kind.com/ King Prawn: https://charityculturecatalyst.com/kingprawn/ “Social Circles”: Refers to the work of Robin Dunbar, anthropologist. See “Dunbar’s Number” entry in Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number Thinking Fast and Slow a book by Daniel Kahneman. To learn more about his books and theories: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/72401.Daniel_Kahneman Rosemary Shrager: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Shrager and https://rosemaryshrager.com/ Want to see us do the podcast in our natural habitats? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| A Conversation with Charity Culture Catalyst Ed Shrager - Part 1 | 19 Feb 2024 | 00:47:06 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk with Ed Shrager from his home in London. Ed is a Charity Culture Catalyst who works with charities (nonprofits) in the United Kingdom to help them strengthen their organizational culture. Through resources and facilitation he helps them create more human and humane organizations for employees and their clients. Ed is also the creator The King Prawn, an app to help people in the workplace build more connected relationships for collaboration. Finally, Ed has become quite comfortable working with Artificial Intelligence and talks with Lamar and Tom about both the challenges and opportunities presented by the technology. Ed’s interview is being presented in two parts. This is part one. Learn more:
Want to see us do the podcast in our natural habitats? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2024 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E3 - Lamar & Tom Talk About Third PLACES | 05 Feb 2024 | 00:48:27 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk about third spaces and third places. explore what and where the third space is and if we just visit or if we reside there. During our interview with Seth Kaplan in the last podcast, he responded to a question about what Tom and I could do to build trust in communities. Seth suggested that it is important to literally share the table with others. Eat meals, drink, and socialize together as a way to build trust. Oftentimes in the literature, a Third Space is also referred to as a Third Place. This subtle but relevant difference may be leading us to consider the Third Space being a more “literal place”. Today, we will explore the Third Place and more… Learn more: “Third Spaces” as Community Builders - https://www.brookings.edu/articles/third-places-as-community-builders/ Project for Public Spaces: Ray Oldenburg - https://www.pps.org/article/roldenburg The Importance of Third Space Amidst America’s Social Isolation Epidemic - https://www.bluezones.com/2024/01/the-importance-of-third-spaces-amidst-americas-social-isolation-epidemic/?mc_cid=96ca84ce4c&mc_eid=9b2b5ed11c Want to see us do the podcast in our natural habitats? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2023 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S2E8 - Truth, Truthiness, and Not So Truthy Conversations | 14 Apr 2025 | 00:46:52 | |
Civil conversations and dialogue are made more difficult when participants are not speaking honestly, are simply parroting the ideas of others, or are unwilling to consider being changed through dialogue. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about conversations in which truth is illusive, and truthiness is not valued. Learn more: The work of Alan Yarborough and his organization, Habits of Discourse, was part of the inspiration of this episode: https://www.habitsofdiscourse.com/ How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Recorded April 3, 2025; Original Publishing Date April 14, 2025 | |||
| S2E2 - A Conversation with Seth Kaplan - Part 2 | 01 Feb 2024 | 00:45:50 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! This is the second part of a two-part interview with Seth Kaplan, who is the author of a new book titled “Fragile Neighborhoods.” Seth Kaplan is recognized globally for his expertise in “fragile states” and has applied some of his understanding of fragile states to the neighborhoods in which people live. If you haven’t listened to Part 1, we strongly encourage you to do so. You can find it on your favorite podcast platform and a video version can be found on the Tenacious Change Channel on YouTube. Part 1 is not a prerequisite for Part 2, but we think you’ll want to loop back to it after you’ve heard Part 2. Thanks for listening/watching! Learn more: Seth Kaplan and to order “Fragile Neighborhoods” - https://sethkaplan.org/ Fragile States and the Fragile States Index - https://fragilestatesindex.org/indicators/ Securing Trust in People and Place (Stanford Social Innovation Review) - https://ssir.org/articles/entry/securing_trust_in_people_and_place# Learn more about Life Remodeled, which Seth refers to in the podcast: https://liferemodeled.org/ Want to see us do the podcast in our natural habitats? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2023 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| Meet Lamar, Tom, and Getting to Third Space (Trailer) | 08 Jan 2024 | 00:01:48 | |
Isn't it time you checked us out? Join Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus (two former clergy, former counselors, and still lifelong friends) in this newish podcast on how to talk with one another. Together they explore how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Honestly, getting to Third Space has proven to be increasingly difficult over the past few years. The idea for Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom was planted during the COVID-19 pandemic as the two talked frequently about the divisions created by the virus and vaccinations. Together they puzzled over the information and disinformation being circulated. They were both amazed and saddened as people began to line up on opposite sides of this, and other issues facing our country. Together they wondered how to create a space for people to begin to hear, listen, and appreciate one another again. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom was born. Both Lamar and Tom have enjoyed interesting and fulfilling careers. Lamar was a licensed, practicing psychotherapist, a college administrator, and human resource director. Tom was a social service program developer, executive director, and educator. Today Lamar is an accomplished photographer and Tom is a mediocre golfer. Though they live half a continent apart, they grew up near each other in rural Iowa. They first met in high school and have been friends ever since. Besides double dating once or twice in high school, this is not Lamar & Tom’s first collaboration. In the 1990’s they co-wrote a counseling book together that was used as text in several schools around the U.S. Today they are collaborating on Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom. The podcast is produced by Tenacious Change, a consultancy serving nonprofit organizations, agencies, and small businesses founded by Tom in 2013. Lamar & Tom just wrapped the first season but you can catch up. Season 2 starts in January. Come on in! We'd love for you to join us! | |||
| S2E1 - A Conversation with Seth Kaplan-Part 1 | 08 Jan 2024 | 00:54:31 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! To kick-off Season 2, Lamar & Tom have a special guest. Seth Kaplan is the author of a new book titled “Fragile Neighborhoods.” Seth Kaplan is recognized globally for his expertise in “fragile states.” A “fragile state” is one that has experienced the loss of physical control of its territory or a monopoly on the legitimate use of force; an erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions; an inability to provide reasonable public services; and the inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community. Briefly put, it is a state that has become highly unstable. In “Fragile Neighborhoods” Seth argues that neighborhoods can similarly experience fragility and proposes a path to greater resilience and flourishing. Seth Kaplan holds a number of positions related to his expertise on “fragile states.” He is a Professorial Lecturer in the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University, a Senior Adviser for the Institute for Integrated Transitions (IFIT), and a consultant to multilateral organizations such as the World Bank, U.S. State Department, U.S. Agency for International Development, and Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development as well as developing country governments and NGOs. Learn more: Seth Kaplan and to order “Fragile Neighborhoods” - https://sethkaplan.org/ Fragile States and the Fragile States Index - https://fragilestatesindex.org/indicators/ Securing Trust in People and Place (Stanford Social Innovation Review) - https://ssir.org/articles/entry/securing_trust_in_people_and_place# Learn more about Life Remodeled, which Seth refers to in the podcast: https://liferemodeled.org/ Want to see us do the podcast in our natural habitats? Visit the Tenacious Change YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2023 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S1E6 - Season 1 Wrap Up and Seasons Greetings | 06 Dec 2023 | 00:40:03 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! To mark the end of Season 1, Lamar & Tom talk about their lessons learned since they started this podcast adventure. From cameras to microphones to attempts at humor, nothing escapes their consideration. The wrap up this podcast with season’s greetings and stories of an unexpected ingredient in a Chopt salad and a man obsessed with the movie “Titanic.” The podcast will return after January 4th for Season 2. Learn more about the healing of a divide in Silverton, CO: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/us/politics/silverton-division.html?searchResultPosition=1 See for Yourself: From Bon Appetit (really?): https://www.bonappetit.com/story/chopt-finger-in-salad From UPI’s “Odd News”: https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2023/11/30/Titanic-VHS-collector/4451701358646/ Want to see us in our natural habitats taping the show? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2023 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S1E5 - Conversation with Representative Stephen Owens | 27 Nov 2023 | 00:53:35 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, Lamar & Tom talk with their first ever guest, Stephen Owens, representing the 74th District in the Kansas House of Representatives. They talk with Steve about the unique challenges facing politicians in a highly charged and divisive environment which can make civil conversations challenging and sometimes even impossible. Learn more about Stephen Owens, representing the 74th District in the Kansas House of Representatives: State of Kansas, House of Representatives House Web - https://www.kslegislature.org/li_2022/b2021_22/members/rep_owens_stephen_1/ Representative Stephen Owens website - https://www.rethinkkansas.com/home One Small Step Conversations - https://storycorps.org/discover/onesmallstep/conversations/ See for Yourself! Links for Episode 4: Bobi, the World’s Oldest Dog? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/29/claims-about-genuine-age-of-bobi-worlds-oldest-dog-to-be-investigated Fred the Pig Taking in the Sights of Aurora: https://www.9news.com/article/life/animals/400-pound-hog-arrested-aurora-crime-spree/73-ae8bb972-349a-4071-aae0-6b2efcdb55ea Want to see us in our natural habitats taping the show? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2023 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S1E4 - Five Factors for Civil Conversations & Unusual Health Risks in the News | 11 Nov 2023 | 00:45:00 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar and Tom discuss five factors that contribute to having civil conversations: trust, respect, honesty, reciprocity (or mutuality or shared responsibility), and ownership. See for Yourself! Links for Episode 4:
Amends Sincere apologies to comedian and former late night talk show host, Craig Ferguson, whom Tom said was British when he is actually Scottish (and now resides in the United States). Want to see us in our natural habitats taping the show? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange. Then, click on “Podcasts” and you’ll be able to see the Getting to Third Space playlist. Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar.3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom is a Klaus Haus Creation for Tenacious Change, TM and Copyright 2023 by Tenacious Change LLC, All Rights Reserved For permissions or additional Information: info@tenaciouschange.us or tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. | |||
| S1E3 - Barriers, Bears, and Gummy Bears | 20 Oct 2023 | 00:41:10 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, released on October 21, 2023, Lamar & Tom discuss barriers and guidelines for productive civil conversations. The barriers they consider are internal barriers - those attitudes, ideas, expectations, even beliefs we hold - that may hold us back from engaging in civil conversation with people whose ideas, opinions, experiences, and lives are different from our own. Then they offer four guidelines for overcoming or “checking” those barriers to make it easier to engage others. They also take a moment to talk about and enjoy the antics of bears. You can see the source of their merriment at these two links: Fat Bear Week: https://www.nps.gov/katm/learn/fat-bear-week-2023.htm A Bear Walks into a Store: https://youtu.be/_oqSTpFStvs?si=TvHTv50BWXrqyraO Want to see us in our natural habitats taping the show? Visit the Tenacious Change Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@tenaciouschange then click on “Podcasts.” Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com. | |||
| S1E2 - Noam Chomsky, Exhausted Americans, & Bob the Old Goat | 26 Sep 2023 | 00:40:26 | |
Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, released on September 26, 2023, they discuss this quote, submitted by a listener, from Noam Chomsky, which appeared in his 1998 book, “The Common Good.” “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. That gives people the sense of that there is free thinking going on while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limit put on the range of the debate.” They also take a look at new Pew Research Center research that shows Americans have a dismal view of politics. (Who knew, huh?) They “honor” a Republican, a Democrat, and Gymnastics Ireland with the prestigious Stupidcallousfrackinidioticandobnoxious award. Finally, they wrap up with the first Third Space Champions award to the city of Ingersoll, Ontario for granting a bit of grace to Bob, an elderly goat. You can learn more about each of these at the following links: American’s Dismal View of the Nation’s Politics, September 19, 2023: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/09/19/americans-dismal-views-of-the-nations-politics/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=b03626f760-Weekly_9-23-23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-b03626f760-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D Republican Lauren Boebert escorted out of theater: https://www.denverpost.com/2023/09/12/lauren-boebert-removed-beetlejuice-musical-denver/ Democrat Susanna Gibson made porno videos with spouse: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4207004-sex-video-roils-critical-fight-for-virginia-state-house/ Gynmastics Ireland snubs black girl in medal awards: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/sep/24/gymnastics-ireland-fails-to-apologise-despite-row-over-medal-snub-for-black-girl Bob the elderly goat living in Ingersoll, Ontario: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/ontario-man-82-builds-home-complete-with-heated-backyard-shed-for-pet-goat-1.6715105 Want to see in our natural habitats taping the show? Click here: https://youtu.be/p-eCJC9myVc?si=YLL_N8e9ld8sJ9qH Meet Lamar & Tom Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar.3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom.3rdSpace@gmail.com.
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| S1E1 Introducing Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom | 13 Sep 2023 | 00:31:37 | |
Join Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus (two former clergy, former counselors, and still lifelong friends after all these years) in this podcast on how to talk with one another. Together they explore how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Honestly, getting to Third Space has proven to be increasingly difficult over the past few years. The idea for Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom was planted during the COVID-19 pandemic as the two talked frequently about the divisions created by the virus and vaccinations. Together they puzzled over the information and disinformation being circulated. They were both amazed and saddened as people began to line up on opposite sides of this, and other issues facing our country. Together they wondered how to create a space for people to begin to hear, listen, and appreciate one another again. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom was born. Both Lamar and Tom have enjoyed interesting and fulfilling careers. Lamar was a licensed, practicing psychotherapist, a college administrator, and human resource director. Tom was a social service program developer, executive director, and educator. Today Lamar is an accomplished photographer and Tom is a mediocre golfer. Though they live half a continent apart, they grew up near each other in rural Iowa. They first met in high school and have been friends ever since. Besides double dating once or twice in high school, this is not Lamar & Tom’s first collaboration. In the 1990’s they co-wrote a counseling book together that was used as text in several schools around the U.S. Beginning in September 2023, this podcast plans to release on a regular schedule this Fall. If you have suggestions or ideas for future episodes, or even a question, you can contact either Lamar or Tom at the following email addresses: Lamar - lamar.3rdspace@gmail.com Tom - tom.3rdspace@gmail.com | |||
| S3E7 - Oddly True for April Fools' Day | 31 Mar 2025 | 00:48:23 | |
On this April Fools’ Day eve Lamar and Tom have a bit of fun with some of the odd but true stories in the news. Hey, we all need a break when things have been pretty heavy in the world, right? Thankfully we have April Fools’ Day to help us out. Learn more: News stories that inspired today’s show: The price of eggs is coming down https://www.newsweek.com/price-eggs-rising-falling-cost-2042992 Royal Shrovetide
Deaths on Airplanes in Mid Flight - How would you like to sit next to a dead person on a flight?
Emergency Donuts
Texas Deputy wrangles a kangaroo in a red jacket: If you are happy but you can’t show it, you can’t come to this comedy club.
How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. Recorded March 11, 2025; Original Publishing Date: March 31, 2025 | |||
| S3E6 - A Table Talk on Crime-Punishment-and-Pardons | 17 Mar 2025 | 00:59:18 | |
President Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of nearly 1,600 people who committed “certain offenses” at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. As these folks return to their homes, how do their communities respond to them? Inspired by a story of one such J6 defendant in the New York Times, Lamar and Tom have a Table Talk on crimes, punishments, and pardons. Learn more: Pardoned for January 6, She Came Home to a New Reality: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/21/nyregion/jan-6-capitol-pardon.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zU4.-MQ9.AiB_aYF8KsAL&smid=url-share Presidential Actions: Granting Pardons and Commutation of Sentences for Certain Offenses Relating to the Events at or Near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021: Presidential Pardons Under Article II (of the U.S. Constitution): https://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/presidential-pardons-under-article-ii.html A presidential pardon (forgiveness) does not expunge (erase) a person’s conviction. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions Expungement and pardoning are two separate processes. https://www.koffellaw.com/blog/little-known-facts-about-expungement/ How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: March 17, 2025 | |||
| S3E5 A Table Talk on the Early Days of the New Administration | 03 Mar 2025 | 01:01:29 | |
What is new was old. What is old is new again. This is true of many things, including politics. On January 20th Donald J. Trump became President of the United States again for the second time. It has been a fast-paced and interesting (some would say “frightening”) few weeks. In this podcast Lamar and Tom scootch up to the kitchen table, pour a cup of coffee, and talk about what has been happening. Join us! Learn more: News stories that inspired today’s show: What is Elon Musk’s job? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/19/us/politics/elon-musk-job-white-house-trump.html?smid=url-share White House Shares Photos of Donald Trump Dressed as a King https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-donald-trump-king-time-2033574 How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: March 3, 2025 | |||
| S3E4 - Heidi & Guy Burgess - Part 2 | 17 Feb 2025 | 01:08:34 | |
Part 2 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado. In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution. As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States. In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI) The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics. To Learn more: Beyond Intractability (BI) Website: https://www.beyondintractability.org/ BI Newsletter: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/ The US in 2024: An Election that Worked and a Democracy that Doesn’t by Heidi and Guy Burgess: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/p/newsletter-306 "Massively Parallel Problem Solving and Democracy Building: An Ongoing Response to the Threats to Democracy in the U.S": (https://toda.org/policy-briefs-and-resources/policy-briefs/report-200-full-text.html) The Perception Gap: https://perceptiongap.us/ BeHumankind at Really Useful Change: https://www.reallyusefulchange.com/ Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: February 17, 2025 | |||
| SE3E3 - Guy & Heidi Burgess - Part 1 | 03 Feb 2025 | 01:16:19 | |
Part 1 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado. In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution. As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States. In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI) The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics. To Learn more: Beyond Intractability (BI) Website: https://www.beyondintractability.org/ BI Newsletter: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/ The US in 2024: An Election that Worked and a Democracy that Doesn’t by Heidi and Guy Burgess: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/p/newsletter-306 "Massively Parallel Problem Solving and Democracy Building: An Ongoing Response to the Threats to Democracy in the U.S": (https://toda.org/policy-briefs-and-resources/policy-briefs/report-200-full-text.html) The Perception Gap: https://perceptiongap.us/ BeHumankind at Really Useful Change: https://www.reallyusefulchange.com/ Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: February 3, 2025 | |||
| S3E2 - More Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 2 | 20 Jan 2025 | 00:44:33 | |
What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the past…but now question its value. In this two-part podcast they discuss the film and its relevance. In this episode, Part 2, they will do a deeper dive in their discussion of the film focusing what it gets right, what it gets wrong, and the most critical takeaways each had from the film. In Part 1 they do their best movie critic impersonations by reviewing and rating the film. If you haven’t listened to or watched Part 1, we recommend you do that before diving into Part 2. Learn more: The Social Dilemma website: https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/ The Social Dilemma on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81254224 The Battle for Your Time: Exposing the Costs of Social Media (TED Talk by Dino Abrosi) - https://youtu.be/4TMPXK9tw5U From Perplexity: What are the reactions people have to the Netflix film The Social Dilemma? - https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-are-the-reactions-people-c8kgdjtBRnqSKNFWVzxTxQ Analysis of The Social Dilemma by Dr. Todd Grande: https://youtu.be/gxgJqDjAq74?si=YTPL8hEpVXB5RXY6 What The Social Dilemma Gets Wrong by Facebook: https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/What-The-Social-Dilemma-Gets-Wrong.pdf Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: January 20, 2025 | |||
| S3E12 A View from the Farm with Allen Schrag | 09 Jun 2025 | 01:20:00 | |
Lamar and Tom welcome Allen Schrag, an innovative Kansas farmer and business person with a lifetime of experience in farming. In this conversation, they discuss the current state of agriculture, comparing it to the 1980s farm crisis, and explore the risks and challenges faced by farmers today. Allen, and his son Paul, operate Silver Creek Farms where they utilize an array of innovative farming techniques, including the use of biologicals to enhance crop production and to maintain soil health for future generations. To learn more about Allen, Paul, and their approach to farming, visit this website: https://locusag.com/grower-spotlight/allen-schrag-silver-creek-farms/ Learn more: The Farm Crisis, a 2013 documentary by Iowa Public Television (film, approx. 90 minutes): https://www.pbs.org/video/iptv-specials-farm-crisis/ The Farm Crisis of the 1980’s, a short-course based on the 2013 documentary above: https://www.iowapbs.org/iowapathways/mypath/2422/farm-crisis-1980s Country (1984 film starring Jessica Lange and Sam Shepard): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087091/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk The River (1984 film starring Cissy Spacek and Mel Gibson): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088007/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk The Farmer’s Wife (1998 Frontline Series from PBS): https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/farmerswife/ Also, check out these concepts described by Allen: Biologicals in agriculture: https://locusag.com/blog/agricultural-biologicals/ Carbon offsets: https://www.climatefarmers.org/blog/carbon-credits-for-farmers-what-are-they-and-what-benefits-do-they-bring/ Chapter 12 bankruptcy: https://www.vermontlaw.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Chapter-12-Bankruptcy-Brief.pdf Sustainable Airline Fuel (SAF): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel How We Check Ourselves Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Recorded May 15, 2025, using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland, Kansas, and Arkansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, June 9, 2025. | |||