Explore every episode of the podcast Get Involved Referee! The Podcast
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| Mastering the Clock: Unraveling the Mysteries of Injury Time in SPFL - https://cryptocasino.ltd/ | 11 Dec 2023 | 00:20:29 | |
In the latest episode of the "Get Involved Referee" podcast, host Lindsay Herron explores the intricacies of injury time allocation. The episode features an insightful discussion with ex-grade one referee Des Roache, focusing on the process and authority behind these crucial decisions. This topic is particularly relevant following recent comments by Steven Naismith, who questioned the three minutes of added time in the Hearts vs Rangers match, and Derek McInnes's curiosity about the eight minutes added in the game between his team and Celtic at Rugby Park. Additionally, the episode provides a comprehensive analysis of the key moments from the previous weekend's SPFL matches, offering listeners a deep dive into the highlights and controversies of the latest football action. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Diving into Controversy: The Art of Deception in Football | 28 Nov 2023 | 00:26:09 | |
This week on "Get Involved Referee," join Lindsay Herron and Steven Conroy as they delve into a recent incident where two players flagrantly tried to deceive officials for a penalty through blatant diving. They'll explore potential penalties to curb such behaviour in the future. The episode also questions the Scottish Football Association's decision to invite media without allowing queries on the limited number of incorrect VAR decisions this season. Plus, a discussion on whether Aberdeen manager Barry Robson was justified in confronting Nick Walsh over the controversial late penalty at Pittodrie. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Steve Conroy Accuses Rangers Star and St Mirren Striker of Simulation" | 21 Mar 2023 | 00:25:40 | |
Welcome to this week's episode of Get Involved Referee with Steve Conroy! The former Scottish top-flight referee shares his thoughts on the controversial weekend of VAR decisions in the Scottish Premiership, calling out the SFA's head of referees for not addressing the bad decisions made during the games. Conroy highlights the need for accountability in interpreting VAR technology, especially with the shocking mistakes made during Dundee United and Kilmarnock's matches. Conroy also discusses his call for action on simulation in the game, accusing Rangers star Todd Cantwell and St Mirren striker Curtis Main of cheating. He proposes two-match bans for both players and stresses the importance of players and teams taking responsibility for their actions. Join us as we explore the current state of Scottish football refereeing and the need for transparency in the game. Tune in to Get Involved Referee now! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Unpacking Controversial Refereeing Decisions and Safety Concerns in Scottish Football | 07 Mar 2023 | 00:29:44 | |
Welcome to the latest episode of Get Involved Referee! In this episode, we delve into the world of Scottish football, examining the ins and outs of the SPFL and discussing some of the most contentious refereeing decisions. We start by taking a deep dive into the time between a foul taking place and the game continuing before the VAR check. What actually happens during this time, and why is it so important for the referees to get it right? We turn our attention to a couple of specific incidents that have caused controversy. Should St Mirren have received a penalty in their match against Celtic? And why did Rangers receive a penalty in their clash with Kilmarnock? We take a close look at both incidents, examining the evidence and debating whether the referees made the right call. But it's not all about specific incidents – we also take some time to discuss the wider issues affecting Scottish football today. One of the key topics we cover is IFAB's decision not to protect the safety and well-being of football players. What does this mean for the players themselves, and what can be done to ensure that the game is as safe as possible for everyone involved? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Nick Walsh's impressive performance during the League Cup final | 28 Feb 2023 | 00:26:16 | |
In this episode, we look closely at Nick Walsh's impressive performance during the League Cup final and why the Scottish Football Association should invest in him for future games. Furthermore, the episode explores the possibility of making referees full-time professionals and the benefits it could bring to the game. Lastly, the team delves into the controversial red card decision during the Perth game, analysing the call and its potential impact on the match. Join us for an in-depth discussion on the art of refereeing and its impact. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Get Ready for the Big Match: Ex Rangers players Mark Hateley and player Gregory Vignal and Refs Analyse the Celtic vs Rangers League Cup Final with VAR on the Line! | 22 Feb 2023 | 00:41:21 | |
In this episode, Lindsay Herron and ex-grade one official are joined by ex-Rangers player Mark Hateley and ex-Liverpool and Rangers player Gregory Vignal. The main focus of the episode is the upcoming League Cup final between Celtic and Rangers, and the group discusses their predictions for the match. The impact of VAR on the game is also a topic of conversation, and Gregory shares his insight on the changes made to training the younger generation to adapt to the technology. Mark also opens up about his experiences with red cards in Old Firm games, providing an interesting perspective on the intense rivalry between the two teams. Overall, "The Get Involved Referee Podcast" provides a unique and informative look into the world of Scottish football, and this episode in particular, offers valuable insights and opinions on the upcoming League Cup final and the role of VAR in modern football. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Insights from Simon Donnelly on Celtic-Rangers League Cup Final and VAR Impact | 22 Feb 2023 | 00:32:56 | |
Welcome to this week's episode of the "Get Involved Referee Podcast". In this episode, former Celtic player Simon Donnelly joins hosts Lindsay Herron and ex-grade one official Des Roache to discuss the highly anticipated league cup final between Celtic and Rangers. The trio not only delves into the pressures that referees face when officiating such a high-profile match but also highlights the crucial role that a referee's attitude plays in shaping the outcome of a match. The discussion touches on the impact of critical past decisions made by referees on game results and emphasises the importance of consistent, fair, and unbiased officiating. The conversation also includes the pressure that referees face in making game-changing decisions such as penalty calls or red cards and how these decisions can impact a team's overall performance. Additionally, the podcast explores the topic of VAR and how it influences the game. Overall, this episode highlights the significance of referee performance and their vital role in shaping high-stakes matches' outcomes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| The Controversial Calls of Football | 13 Feb 2023 | 00:31:46 | |
Welcome to episode 25 of "Get Involved Referee", where we dive into the world of video assistant referees and the impact they have. In this episode, we'll discuss the latest in the ongoing VAR saga and how it's affecting the outcome of games. First up, we'll chat about the crazy game at Ibrox on Sunday and should there have been any penalties. Next, we'll be taking a closer look at the recent events in the English Premier League, where Arsenal could lose their chance at the title due to a VAR blunder. We'll be looking at the red card given to St Mirren in a recent match. Was the decision a bit harsh? Or was it a justified call based on the rules of the game? Finally, we chat about Howard Webb, who showed great character and leadership by admitting that the VAR officials got it wrong. So, join us for this week's episode of "Get Involved Referee", where we explore the controversial calls of football and the role of video technology in the game. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Cheating in the beautiful game | 07 Feb 2023 | 00:29:24 | |
This week's episode discusses the growing problem of players cheating in the beautiful game. We delve into the consequences of these actions and why it's important for referees to stay vigilant. Then, we analyse the impressive performance of Rangers defender Connor Goldson, who has made more stops with his hands than teammate Alan McGregor this season. Tune in for a lively discussion on the latest in football refereeing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Is Willie Collum past his best | 31 Jan 2023 | 00:21:42 | |
Willie Collum made three massive mistakes last weekend, and we discuss why the SFA still rate him as their top official. Don Robertson and his team showed everyone how VAR should be used when he took charge in Dundee, and we delved into the listener's questions. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Are the SFA making a mockery of Scottish football? | 24 Jan 2023 | 00:26:56 | |
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| Fix VAR now or scrap it | 17 Jan 2023 | 00:29:42 | |
The SPFL & SFA have massively underdelivered, but who is accountable? We discuss VAR this week and explore what needs to happen for our game to develop; something needs to change quickly from IFAB to the governing bodies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Contentious Nod from Fourth Official to Rangers' Clement Sparks Debate in the Stands | 07 Nov 2023 | 00:38:33 | |
Welcome to another episode of the "Get Involved Referee" podcast, where the beautiful game's most passionate debates meet the whistle's impartial perspective. This week, we're dissecting the pulsating drama of the League Cup semi-finals staged in the iconic Hampden Park. We also touch upon a contentious moment involving the fourth official, and Rangers manager Philippe Clement, sparking debates across the opposition stands. In our match analysis segment, we focus on Celtic's latest outing against Ross County, unpacking the key moments. But we don't stop there – we're diving deep into a topic that has the Scottish football community angered: the conduct of fans in and around our stadiums. So, lace up your boots, grab your cards, and let's kick off this week's episode! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Is VAR now refereeing the games | 03 Jan 2023 | 00:16:47 | |
Have the SFA allowed VAR to make the big calls and if so why? Why did it take VAR six minutes to give a penalty to Hearts, after they had scored? Des Roache and Lindsay Herron chat about this and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| It's a bloody shambles | 20 Dec 2022 | 00:27:57 | |
The SFA comes under the spotlight this week as the referees question why there is no Scottish referee representation at the World Cup and why do Hearts get a penalty for handball, but their city rivals Hibs are denied one at Ibrox. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| World Cup woes | 07 Dec 2022 | 00:27:28 | |
According to our refs, they might have the best tech and multiple officials, but VAR and added time have soured Qatar 2022. Steve and Des are also horrified at the prospect of a technology disparity in the Scottish Cup, and they give their thoughts on female referees. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| We're only human | 15 Nov 2022 | 00:37:26 | |
Clyde 2 presenter Ewan Cameron is the special guest of Lindsay Herron, Steve Conroy and Des Roache as they deep dive into claims refs are robots, analyse another massively controversial weekend of VAR decisions and ask why silly goal celebration rules are sucking the fun out of football Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Hand ball debate | 08 Nov 2022 | 00:28:08 | |
There have been some widely contrasting handball decisions in the Premiership since VAR came in – so what are the rules? Our refs, Des Roache and Steve Conroy, have the answers as they also discuss some Pittodrie karma and call for SFA transparency and leadership Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Watt's going on | 01 Nov 2022 | 00:29:46 | |
Two weeks in VAR has had a troubled start, and now Dundee United are appealing Tony Watt's review red card. Des Roache and Lindsay Herron discuss the big issues with special guest former Celtic star Mark Wilson who reveals why Willie Collum has been part of his life for decades, and he still can't forgive a controversial derby day penalty decision. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Harsh spot-kick lesson | 25 Oct 2022 | 00:26:32 | |
It was a dramatic opening weekend of VAR in Scotland, with some spot-on calls and some awful mistakes. Our refs reveal why the Tynecastle penalty foul-up between Nick Walsh and Steven McLean will have major consequences. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| VAR you ready | 18 Oct 2022 | 00:20:49 | |
VAR finally arrives in Scottish football this weekend with Hibs and St Johnstone the guinea pigs on Friday night, with Hearts v Celtic and Rangers v Livingston on Saturday. Our refs give their expert views on how they think it will pan out as they analyse last weekend's big talking points Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Goodwin ban sham | 11 Oct 2022 | 00:24:33 | |
Our refs are staggered at the severity of punishment given to Aberdeen manager Jim Goodwin after calling out Ryan Porteous for cheating - and reiterate their astonishment that Hibs boss Lee Johnson has escaped. Get their views on the big weekend calls, including Nick Walsh's Ibrox spot-kick shocker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Not VAR away! | 03 Oct 2022 | 00:27:08 | |
Get Involved Referee can reveal that VAR will be coming to Scottish Football imminently after major trials and UEFA validation. Celtic penalty blunder and too much Craig Gordon protection denies Rangers a valid goal. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Referee Reckoning: Beaton's Ibrox Call and Collum's VAR Rescue | 31 Oct 2023 | 00:28:22 | |
Join former Grade One referees Steve Conroy and Des Roache as they delve into football officiating with unfiltered insights and candid discussions. This week on the Get Involved Referee Podcast, the duo breaks down Stevie Naismith's take on John Beaton's officiating at Ibrox. They also shine a critical light on Willie Collum's oversight of a red card in Livingston, a decision later amended by VAR. Tune in for an expert analysis of the game's most pivotal and controversial refereeing moments! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Change the rules | 26 Sep 2022 | 00:29:19 | |
Our refs are calling for FIFA to make the cynical foul, the so-called professional foul, an automatic red card. They rate the officials so far this season. And there is a special feature on the remarkable referee's strike of 2010 and why it happened. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Hibs encouraging cheating? | 19 Sep 2022 | 00:28:21 | |
Hibs encouraging cheating? Top ex refs Steve Conroy and Des Roache say Lee Johnson should be charged by SFA over Ryan Porteous controversy - not Jim Goodwin. And football bosses must react with another probe into missiles thrown on a miserable weekend of disrespect. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| No penalty in Derby game | 05 Sep 2022 | 00:23:53 | |
Nick managed his second Derby game superbly Not a penalty at Fir Park Missed red card in Dingwall St Mirren defending lost them the game Great call at Easter Road Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Derby ref’s in good Nick | 29 Aug 2022 | 00:25:15 | |
Derby ref’s in good, Nick Walsh is the perfect and obvious choice for Celtic v Rangers Don Robertson is sinking in not so quick Sands Graham Grainger makes a stellar Premiership debut Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Collum Needs A Rest! | 22 Aug 2022 | 00:30:50 | |
Our ex-grade one referees reckon it was a disastrous performance at Easter Road. But where was the Head of Referees Crawford Allan while the mayhem was ensuing? And what about the brutality of Ross County's Ross Callachan? Hear it all on Scotland's most incisive and professional referee analysis podcast. Follow @getinvolvedreferee on Instagram for videos, updates & more! Get Involved Referee! The Podcast - a take on Scottish (and occasionally English) football and the standard (or sub standard) of referees. Produced by and recorded at TEN10 Podcasts' studio in Glasgow. (https://www.ten10podcasts.com/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Penalty to Rangers! | 16 Aug 2022 | 00:09:02 | |
Rangers should have had a penalty, but they should also have been down to 10 men for a silly challenge. Follow @getinvolvedreferee on Instagram for videos, updates & more! Get Involved Referee! The Podcast - a take on Scottish (and occasionally English) football and the standard (or sub standard) of referees. Produced by and recorded at TEN10 Podcasts' studio in Glasgow. (https://www.ten10podcasts.com/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Gers get Colak offside break | 15 Aug 2022 | 00:18:17 | |
Steve Conroy and Des Roache reckon the key goal against St Johnstone should not have counted The ex-refs give their verdict on the explosive Chelsea-Spurs clash And they back UEFA over key appointment for Rangers-PSV clash Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Jenz a lucky Bhoy | 08 Aug 2022 | 00:26:57 | |
Top ex-ref Des Roache says Celtic dodged a red in the Highlands but will the lesser spotted compliance officer have a look at Ross County’s Connor Randall? We’ve got the best analysis of week 2 of the Premiership, including those added minutes at Easter Road. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Could John Beaton be facing disciplinary action? | 02 Aug 2022 | 00:21:59 | |
The 2022/23 season got underway last weekend, and the referees are on hand to clarify and discuss the major talking points. During this week's episode, the guy's conversation focuses on the following: - The new Star Trek uniforms - Red Cards - Don Robertson never told David Martindale to take off one of his players (total crap) - Reports about an incident with John Beaton - Our Ref of the week? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| The new season is back and the refs are back under the spotlight | 29 Jul 2022 | 00:30:18 | |
Don't miss the return of Get Involved Referee - Steve Conroy and Des Roache reveal who the top man will be in the season ahead - Hear why VAR could be BAD for Celtic and Rangers - And find out which senior official should be thinking about calling it a day - It's all exclusive and only in Get Involved Referee Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Card Chaos and Penalty Perplexities | 16 May 2023 | 00:31:51 | |
Welcome to "GET INVOLVED REFEREE," the podcast where we dive into the thrilling world of football officiating! In this episode, we unpack a wild match at St Mirren Park, filled with a crazy red card and an unfortunate penalty giveaway. We seem to be grappling with interpreting the "Clear and obvious" rule, and we discuss the challenges referees face in applying it consistently. One hot topic on our agenda is the rule regarding goalkeepers being penalised for coming off their lines. Join us as we dissect the nuances of this controversial regulation and explore its impact on the game. We can't help but rave about Steven McLean's outstanding performance in a recent derby game. However, our referee, Steve Conroy, sheds light on an intriguing theory. He believes Steven's exceptional skills in player communication have affected his chances of officiating high-profile matches. Apparently, UEFA and the SFA prioritise card-giving over building relationships on the field. Join us for an engaging and insightful discussion as we uncover the intricacies of refereeing in football. With expert analysis, captivating anecdotes, and thought-provoking debates, "GET INVOLVED REFEREE" is your go-to podcast for all things officiating. Get ready to blow the whistle on the fascinating world of football refereeing! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| The Millimetre That Was A Foot At Celtic Park! | 10 May 2022 | 00:24:15 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE SEVENTEEN. After another thrilling weekend across Scottish football our referees discuss the goals at Celtic Park that were and were not! Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Derby Showdown plus What Was Dallas Watching in Perth?! | 02 May 2022 | 00:15:17 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE SIXTEEN. Quiet game at Celtic Park as our former referee Des Roache says John Beaton managed the game well. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Charlie Adam in 'Gone With The Wind' | 26 Apr 2022 | 00:30:59 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE FIFTEEN. Charlie Adam should be ashamed of his behaviour! Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| That Madden Easter Post! | 19 Apr 2022 | 00:35:55 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE FOURTEEN. Lundstrum should have walked. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Cup Final needs Bobby Dazzler! | 11 Apr 2022 | 00:20:24 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE THIRTEEN. Our referees say the top man should get top job. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Never A Dull Moment In Scottish Football | 05 Apr 2022 | 00:52:13 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE TWELVE. A busy weekend for the referees across the SPFL! Charlie Adam elbow(s)? - Lewis Ferguson. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Willie Collum Is The Man! | 29 Mar 2022 | 00:25:35 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE ELEVEN. Never mind UN peacekeepers Willie Collum has his job cut out for him in this weekend potential title decider at Ibrox. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| The Sun Always Shines On Scottish Football | 21 Mar 2022 | 00:20:57 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE TEN. On this week's podcast our referees talk about the big calls made at Celtic Park, the missed penalty at Dens, the madness of Ryan Porteous and Hibs' red card tally, a missed red card at Tyncastle and the stupid red card in Paisley! Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Pundits Have No Respect! | 16 Mar 2022 | 00:31:45 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE NINE. Our referees say that TV stars need to get their facts right. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| A Bridge To VAR | 07 Mar 2022 | 00:31:08 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCASTpresented by Lindsay Herron alongside former grade one referee Steve Conroy & amateur referee Dougie Gunning. Production by TEN10 Podcasts. EPISODE EIGHT. Our referees have the commercial solution. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Red Cards, Rangers and Referees | 08 May 2023 | 00:28:08 | |
Welcome to the "Get Involved Referee" podcast. In this episode, we explore the concept of a "clear and obvious" red card and whether referees are getting it right. We also discuss the recent controversial incident where Rangers were not penalised despite a clear red card offence on Sunday. We ask whether this is a trend impacting the league's credibility and whether more needs to be done to ensure fairness and consistency in refereeing decisions. Furthermore, we tackle the issue of referees getting involved in the game and its impact on the outcome. We reflect on Willie Collum's decision to send off a Hearts player against Celtic and ask whether referees should be more impartial and let the game play out without their influence. Finally, we preview the upcoming big game at Ibrox between Rangers and Celtic and discuss the referee appointed for the match. Will they be able to handle the pressure and make the right calls? Tune in to find out. Join us as we explore the fascinating world of refereeing in football and get involved in the conversation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Don Robertson Spot On | 27 Feb 2022 | 00:18:21 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE SEVEN. Our ex referee's reckon it was right to disallow two Alfredo Morelos goals. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Madden For It? | 21 Feb 2022 | 00:24:30 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE SIX. Big penalty calls and red card shouts! Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Card trouble for McLean - Old Firm Dodge Penalties | 15 Feb 2022 | 00:18:54 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE FIVE. Steven McLean is in a spot of bother with the SFA after failing to send off Sean Mackie of Raith Rovers in their Scottish Cup tie at Celtic. Steve Conroy and Dougie Gunning give their view and admit both Rangers and Celtic have escaped big penalty calls in the past week. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||
| Collum Called It Wrong | Penalty Kicks & Cheating! | 10 Feb 2022 | 00:23:47 | |
GET INVOLVED REFEREE! THE PODCAST EPISODE FOUR. David Dickinson was in a spot of bother in Paisley. Get involved by sharing your comments with our referees over on our Instagram page now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | |||