Relive iconic NBA seasons through the lens of the players. Each episode of FORGOTTEN SEASONS is hosted by FS creator, Dylan Dreyfuss and 9-year NBA veteran, Jelani McCoy. On each episode, they're joined by a new NBA legend to dive deep into a specific pocket of their career.
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Gary Payton, Jason Kidd and John Stockton. These are the only three point guards in NBA history that logged more games than today's guest, Andre Miller. If there's one thing Miller embodies, it's being a floor general. And in today's league, it seems like floor generals are endangered, maybe even extinct. Miller candidly walks us through his thoughts as to why the true point guard is being phased out of the league. He also takes us back to memorable pockets from his rich 17-year career, including secret pickup runs with John Stockton and Karl Malone, joining the 2003/04 Nuggets for Melo's rookie year and his unsuccessful attempts at containing a surging Steph Curry in the 2013 Playoffs.
00:00 Beginning
00:30 Secret to being an NBA ironman
03:50 Private pickup runs with 90's Utah Jazz
10:25 Who is the best team to never win a ring?
13:55 Using Stockton's techniques in NBA
15:35 What happened to the true point guard?
19:02 Memories of rookie Melo, Traded for Iverson
23:10 Art of the post-up point guard
27:14 Steph Curry's 2013 Playoff explosion
29:09 Is Steph a true point guard?
33:44 Does Draymond get enough credit?
34:58 52-point game vs Mavericks in 2010
38:58 Trainer culture ruining youth?
47:44 End
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Boogie Cousins is comfortable where he is. After 11 years in the NBA, which included four All-Star appearances and record statistics, he's began a new chapter as an overseas star. Most recently, he won Finals MVP for the Taiwan Bear Leopards.
In this episode, he reflects on the ups, the downs, and everything in between from his 11 years in the NBA.
00:00 Beginning, Kentucky Beginnings
06:35 John Wall the phenom
14:23 Kings
36:50 2018 Pelicans, Achilles injury
56:55 Overseas journey, Stephon Marbury influence
01:08:32 End
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Inside the 2000's Suns Front Office with Amin Elhassan
Wednesday, March 6, 2024 • Duration 01:02:43
Amin Elhassan peels back the curtain and brings us inside Phoenix's front office during times of great change. Elhassan spent six years inside Phoenix's front office from 2005-2012 and had a front row seat to glory and turbulence.
He provides detailed recounts of several unanswered questions from his tenure. Why couldn't they get past San Antonio? Why did Steve Kerr trade Shawn Marion for Shaq? Why did the Suns players rebel against Terry Porter? Was Shaq really a child movie star?
All and more is revealed on this week's episode.
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Matt Barnes on the 2009 Suns
Wednesday, February 28, 2024 • Duration 46:37
Matt Barnes is a fighter. From 2003-2010, he signed six one-year contracts with six different teams. In this week's episode, we hone in on Phoenix in 2009, where the Suns were entering a new phase. Mike D'Antoni, the architect of the '7 Seconds or Less' Suns, fled to New York, and Terry Porter took the helm as head coach.
Porter was quick to dismiss D'Antoni's run-and-gun offense. "If you look at the history of the game, no team that has played that running style has had much success,” said Porter before the season. Porter's defense-first approach did not go well, and he was fired before the trade deadline. Phoenix finished 46-36 but missed the playoffs in a loaded Western Conference. It's one of the highest win totals in NBA history for a team that missed the playoffs.
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Devean George on Lakers 3-Peat and Downfall
Wednesday, February 21, 2024 • Duration 01:00:30
From 2000-2006, no Laker (other than Kobe Bryant) logged more games than Devean George. Drafted to LA out of Division 3 (!) Augsburg College in 1999, D George arrived in La-La Land just in time for three consecutive championships.
On today's episode, George recalls his first days in LA, a memorable draft workout with new head coach Phil Jackson, Kobe vouching to front office for him during contract negotiations, "Santa" Shaq and much more.
George is the only player other than Kobe that saw the glory of the 3-peat and the unraveling that followed.
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Josh Smith on Going Straight to the League in 2004, The 13-69 2005 Hawks and his Complicated Relationship with Mike Woodson
Wednesday, February 14, 2024 • Duration 01:05:40
Josh Smith joins the show and takes us back to getting drafted by his hometown Atlanta Hawks straight from Oak Hill Academy. Smith was one of 21 players that were drafted straight from High School between 2003 and 2005.
Getting drafted to your hometown team sounds like a dream. But what if your hometown team also happens to be one of the worst teams in NBA history? Well, the 2005 Hawks went 13-69, good for the 8th worst winning percentage in the modern NBA (since 1980). Smith opens up about his rookie year, his complicated relationship with Head Coach Mike Woodson, Joe Johnson, Antoine Walker and more.
Smith had a hell of a career. He's one of six players since 1990 to put up 100+ steals and 200+ blocks in a season (Hakeem, David Robinson, Andrei Kirilenko and Ben Wallace). He made an All-Defensive Team. And he probably should have made an All-Star Game.
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Amar'e Stoudemire
Wednesday, February 7, 2024 • Duration 39:26
Amar'e Stoudemire joins Forgotten Seasons to talk about his record-setting 2005 Playoff run, why the 'Seven Seconds or Less' Suns never won a championship, Tim Donaghy, the Horry Hip Check, his Knicks tenure and more.
To many, these Suns teams are in contention for best team to never win a championship. When Steve Nash joined the Suns for the 2004-05 season, the Suns exploded. They began the season 30-4 and were DESTROYING teams. Phoenix finished the season 62-20 with (by far) the #1 offense in the league.
In the playoffs, at 22-years-old, Stat averaged 30 and 10 (!) against some of the best power forwards of all-time, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki and Tim Duncan.
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Promise to Tragedy: 90's Celtics with Dee Brown
Wednesday, January 31, 2024 • Duration 01:27:28
Dee Brown joins the show and opens up on a turbulent 90's decade in Boston. Brown is the lone Celtic that played Larry Bird and Reggie Lewis AND played for coach Rick Pitino.
In this episode, we begin in 1990, when a rookie Brown becomes a Celtic in the midst of a major transition for Boston. After winning three championships and making eight straight Conference Finals in the 80's, Boston lost in the first round in 1988 and 1989. Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish's championship window was closing, but a young phenom, Reggie Lewis, seemed ready to take the torch and define a new era. In 1991 and 1992, Lewis averaged 25 points per game in the playoffs and the Celtics won over 50 games each year.
But Boston's seemingly perfect bridge between the Bird and Lewis era suddenly collapsed in the summer of 1993. Lewis' 1993 season was cut short after he mysteriously collapsed in a playoff game. Shortly after the season, doctors cleared him, but as he was training at Brandeis University, he suffered cardiac arrest and died. He was just 27 years old.
In the years following Lewis' death, the Celtics tanked out. They failed to win over 35 games from 1994-1996, and in 1997, they went 15-67, by far the worst season in franchise history.
Enter Rick Pitino in the Spring of 1997, who was named the savior, but disaster would turn out to be the more accurate label. Midway through Pitino's first season as Head Coach and Team President, Brown was packaged in the infamous Chauncey Billups for Kenny Anderson trade.
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Tim Thomas
Wednesday, January 24, 2024 • Duration 01:08:04
Tim Thomas joins the show to talk late 90’s Sixers, 2001 Bucks and mid-2000’s Knicks. He also highlights his rise to the league as the #1 player in the Class of 1996 and his rivalry with Kobe Bryant in high school.
We use the “ahead of his time” label pretty lightly these days. But Thomas, at 6’10” with a sweet stroke and guard-like handles was…definitely ahead of his time.
Philadelphia was his landing spot in the 1997 Draft, and Thomas joined a squad featuring a young Allen Iverson and Jerry Stackhouse. Thomas dispels the narrative that AI and Stackhouse hated each other and dives deep into his relationship with Larry Brown.
Less than two years into his Sixers tenure, Thomas was shipped to Milwaukee, where he'd play alongside Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson and Sam Cassell. The Bucks had the number offense in the league in 2001 and beat Indiana and Charlotte in the playoffs before facing Philly, Thomas' old team, in the Conference Finals. The epic 7-game series came down to the last shot, which Glenn Robinson missed, and Philly advanced.
After Milwaukee, Thomas had successful stints with New York and Phoenix. To wrap up the episode, we talk about Tim Thomas Playaz AAU program, which has ushered more than 25 players into the NBA with tens of millions in contract dollars earned.
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Tim Hardaway Sr.
Wednesday, January 17, 2024 • Duration 01:18:51
To properly tell the story of the Miami Heat becoming one of the NBA's most prestigious franchises, you have to start in the Spring of 1995. Pat Riley was on the last year of his contract with the New York Knicks, where he was the Head Coach for four years. Riley had taken the Knicks from sub .500 to Eastern Conference Champions in just a few years, and he wanted a compensation package that properly reflected his value. Riley asked Knicks management for a big contract, a hefty ownership stake, and total control of the team's basketball operations.
The Knicks balked at Riley's demands, so he shifted his attention to Miami. The Heat - who joined the NBA as an expansion team in 1989 - failed to win more than 42 games in their first seven years in the league. Mickey Arison took control of the team in 1995 and didn't want to settle for mediocrity. Through a mutual friend, Arison started talking to Riley while he finished out his last year in New York. Riley presented a similar list of demands to Arison. He wanted a $50 million contract, a 10% ownership in the team upon signing, an additional 10% over time, a limo service to and from games, and a $500 per-diem. In addition to all of that, he asked that the Heat buy his homes in LA and New York. Arison agreed, and Riley took the command in 1995-96.
During his first season in Miami, Riley traded for 30-year-old Tim Hardaway, a 3x All-Star who some thought was over the hill. On this episode, Hardaway takes us back to his first days in Miami and the Heat's breakout 1996-97 campaign. Joining Hardaway in South Beach in 1997 were Alonzo Mourning, Dan Majerle, Jamal Mashburn and PJ Brown. They won 61 games and had the #1 defense in the league. In the playoffs, they beat Orlando in Round 1, followed by an iconic 7-game, fight-filled ECSF vs. the Knicks, Riley's old team.
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