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Shota Nakajima Talks Top Chef, Taku, and Japanese Food24 Sep 202400:50:56

In this episode of Flavors Unknown, we sit down with Chef Shota Nakajima, the culinary force behind Seattle’s acclaimed restaurant Taku and a finalist on Top Chef Season 18. Shota Nakajima shares how his family cultivated his passion for food and hospitality from a young age, and how his career has evolved from his early days in Japan to becoming a well-known figure in the U.S. culinary scene. We dive deep into his experiences training under a Michelin-starred chef, his reflections on the Top Chef experience, and the lasting impact it had on his leadership style.

What you’ll learn from Chef Shota Nakajima
  • Shota Nakajima‘s lifelong love for cooking (3:51)
  • His first job working at a sushi counter (4:40)
  • What excites Shota Nakajima about the hospitality industry (5:27)
  • Learning to cook and present in front of the camera (7:19)
  • The blessings and challenges of being on TV (9:08)
  • How Top Chef changed Shota Nakajima as a chef and a leader (10:30)
  • Drinking culture in the culinary world (11:15)
  • The impact of cynicism in daily life (12:06)
  • Why cooking became Shota Nakajima’s passion when nothing else stuck (14:40)
  • His training under Michelin-starred Chef Sakamoto in Japan (17:00)
  • Key lessons Shota Nakajima learned from Chef Sakamoto (18:20)
  • Misconceptions about Japanese food culture (19:28)
  • The culinary style and influences shaping Shota Nakajima (20:13)
  • How important ratios are in Japanese cooking (20:33)
  • A 1-1-1 ratio found on Taku’s menu (23:01)
  • The role of ratios in Shota Nakajima’s kitchen (24:29)
  • Subtraction in Japanese fine dining (26:18)
  • How the concept of Taku evolved over time (27:33)
  • Why karaage fried chicken is a favorite of Shota Nakajima (28:41)
  • Different styles of karaage found in Japan (31:01)
  • Shota Nakajima’s belief that there are two types of chefs (32:00)
  • Underutilized Japanese ingredients that excite Shota Nakajima (33:23)
  • His views on the cocktail scene and bar culture (37:50)
  • Exciting future projects from Shota Nakajima (39:49)
  • Top dining spots in Seattle according to Shota Nakajima (41:05)
  • A must-eat dish made by his mom (44:20)
  • Shota Nakajima’s guilty pleasure snacks (45:41)
  • The best piece of advice Shota Nakajima believes in (47:27)
  • The worst advice he’s heard in the industry (48:14)
  • Shota Nakajima’s unique approach to hospitality (48:44)


I’d like to share a potential educational resource, “Conversations Behind the Kitchen Door”, my new book that features dialogues with accomplished culinary leaders from various backgrounds and cultures. It delves into the future of culinary creativity and the hospitality industry, drawing from insights of a restaurant-industry-focused podcast, ‘flavors unknown”. It includes perspectives from renowned chefs and local professionals, making it a valuable resource for those interested in building a career in the culinary industry.

Get the book here! Links to other episodes with Japanese influences

Don’t miss out on the chance to hear from these talented chefs and gain insight into the world of culinary techniques. 

Conversation with chef Masako Morishita

Interview with Chef Chris Kajioka from Honolulu

Conversation with Chef Nando Chang in Miami

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AI in Kitchens: James Passafaro and Opsi.io Lead the Way10 Sep 202400:46:59

In this episode, I’m joined by Chef James Passafaro, co-owner of the revolutionary app Opsi.io, which is changing the way restaurants manage their operations. Opsi.io is a cloud-based tool that streamlines recipe management, food costing, inventory, and more—eliminating the need for old-school binders and paperwork.

James shares his incredible journey from working alongside some of the most renowned chefs in the industry to becoming a tech entrepreneur, spearheading a game-changing solution for kitchens. He opens up about the evolving role of AI in the hospitality industry, its potential for reshaping kitchen efficiency, and why it’s crucial to have tech solutions designed by industry professionals.

What you’ll learn from Chef James Passafaro

• Coming up in the culinary industry 4:13
• The game dinners that took place in Jersey 4:41
• An annual gathering of local chefs 5:20
• Deciding to pursue a career in food 5:53
• Studying at Johnson and Wales 7:19
• The importance of networking 8:01
• His restaurant career progression after university 8:27
• Progressing through the ranks 10:11
• The difference of sourcing produce on the west coast 11:18
• Learning the financial aspects of running a restaurant 11:48
• How the MINA group was able to experience such rapid growth 12:50
• Why it’s a great place for young chefs to start out 13:23
• His travels around the world for restaurant openings 14:56
• Settling down at Spoon and Stable 16:07
• Constant innovation and lasting legacy 17:27
• How AI entered his career trajectory 18:11
• The goal of the technology 19:10
• How Opsi works 21:26
• Striking the balance of making enough but not too much 23:09
• Catering versus working in a restaurant 26:05
• What he misses about being in restaurants 26:46
• The potential of AI in the restaurant industry 27:21
• Why greatness isn’t about tangible things 28:57
• The love that goes into what you’re cooking 29:40
• AI and the human touch 30:59
• Predictions for the future of AI in kitchens 31:46
• Challenges with offering a new system 33:00
• Building human-centered technology 35:16
• How the app is being used currently 36:38
• Where to learn more about Opsi 37:40
• Five spots to dine in Minneapolis 39:57
• His guilty pleasure food 41:03
• Current food obsession 41:22
• The kitchen gadget he can’t live without 42:11
• Why grit is important if you want to work in the industry 42:51
• Advice for young people pursuing hospitality 43:53


I’d like to share a potential educational resource, “Conversations Behind the Kitchen Door”, my new book that features dialogues with accomplished culinary leaders from various backgrounds and cultures. It delves into the future of culinary creativity and the hospitality industry, drawing from insights of a restaurant-industry-focused podcast, ‘flavors unknown”. It includes perspectives from renowned chefs and local professionals, making it a valuable resource for those interested in building a career in the culinary industry.

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Chef Sheldon Simeon
Chef Andy Doubrava
Chef Chris Kajioka
Chef Jacques Pepin


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I think basic cooking techniques are more important than focusing on a specific region of the world that tells you how to cook an egg so many different ways because you wear a little hat on top of your head. -Fermín Núñez

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The cooking I do is an extension of my childhood memories, my family memories, and my culture. Masako Morishita

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French technique is there. It was a good foundation for a lot of people. But I think now, it’s not necessarily the be-all and end-all. There’s a reason why French chefs are now pulling from Japan, or from Mexico. Look at all the fine dining chefs, now they’re pulling from everyone else. Do you know why? They got bored. -Carlo Lamagna

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Aaron Bludorn’s Food Tales: From NYC to Houston07 May 2024

Today I’m talking to Chef Aaron Bludorn. Born in Minneapolis and raised in the Pacific Northwest, he’s known for his refined and personal style. He’s the creative force behind Bludorn Restaurant and Navy Blue, both located in Houston, Texas.

You’ll hear about his youthful excursions catching fish in Seattle and his experiences working in some of the most coveted restaurants in New York, especially What it was like working with Chef Daniel Boulud. He shares his creative process and how it’s driven by the seasonality of the Houston climate. You’ll also learn why it’s important to him that his team is always his first priority, and he shares a few recommendations for eating well in his Texas city.

What you’ll learn from this episode with Chef Aaron Bludorn
  • Aaron Bludorn’s early memories of living and eating near the ocean 3:36
  • Rudimentary fishing as a kid 4:24
  • His first start in the food business 5:43
  • Thoughts on culinary school at CIA 6:56
  • The biggest lessons he’s carried from his early days 8:18
  • What it was like working with Chef Daniel Boulud 10:37
  • Why Chef Aaron Bludorn ended up in Houston 12:41
  • How the culinary scenes in Houston and New York compare 13:39
  • Exploring Gulf Coast cuisine 13:45
  • The range of flavors you’ll find at his restaurants 15:45
  • How Aaron Bludorn harnesses creativity 17:18
  • Why it’s important to recognize a good idea when it’s there 18:14
  • His seasonal process of coming up with a new dish 18:33
  • Sourcing ethnic spices from local suppliers 20:49
  • Seasonality in Houston versus other parts of the country 21:41
  • His new concept, Navy Blue 22:10
  • How Aaron Bludorn describes his culinary style 23:00
  • His new bar in Houston 23:49
  • Where to eat on a food tour through Houston 24:23
  • His guilty pleasure food 24:56
  • Cookbooks that have inspired him 25:15
  • Pet peeves in the kitchen 25:50
  • A culinary lesson to remember 26:17
  • Ways to invest in your team 26:30
  • Bad advice if you want a culinary career 27:26
  • How loyalty pays better dividends 27:56
  • One chef he’d love to work with 28:18
  • What he’d be doing if he wasn’t cooking 29:07
  • Aaron Bluedorn’s advice for aspiring chefs 29:40


I’d like to share a potential educational resource, “Conversations Behind the Kitchen Door”, my new book that features dialogues with accomplished culinary leaders from various backgrounds and cultures. It delves into the future of culinary creativity and the hospitality industry, drawing from insights of a restaurant-industry-focused podcast, ‘flavors unknown”. It includes perspectives from renowned chefs and local professionals, making it a valuable resource for those interested in building a career in the culinary industry.

Get the book here! Links to other episodes with the chefs

Don’t miss out on the chance to hear from these talented chefs and gain insight into the world of culinary techniques. Check out the links below for more conversations with Chefs from Houston.

Conversation with Chef Chris Shepherd

Chef Drake Leonards – Eunice

Baker Matthieu Cabon – Magnol French Baking

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Chef Sheldon Simeon
Chef Andy Doubrava
Chef Chris Kajioka
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You’re always working with the best in the business when you’re working for Daniel [Boulud]. And that’s because that’s who he is. Good people want to want to work for him. Greatness attracts greatness.

Creativity, you have to use it. You have to make sure your imagination is freed up and you can sort of break down any barriers in your mind.

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Shamil Velázquez – Puerto Rican Influences in the Lowcountry13 Apr 202100:43:10

Most chefs find inspiration from their own culinary traditions, and those flavors continue to make a mark throughout their careers. Today’s guest is Chef Shamil Velázquez from Delaney Oyster House. Velázquez grew up learning how to cook with his family from a very young age in Puerto Rico. He was surrounded by the cornucopia of flavors that make up Puerto Rican cuisine, and always had a natural inclination to cook with the ingredients that grew around him. A graduate of the Culinary Institute of America, he brings his professional training and passion for food to the menu of this seafood-focused Charleston, SC restaurant. You’ll hear about his early cooking influences, his take on farm-to-table trends, and where he finds inspiration to keep his menu fresh and innovative.

What we covered in this episode
  • The combination of influences that make up Puerto Rican cuisine (2:20)
  • A surprising comfort food favorite loved throughout Puerto Rico (4:15)
  • One family recipe that’s represented on the menu at Delaney Oyster House (6:44)
  • How Shamil’s determination finally got him into culinary school (10:03)
  • To school, or not to school? (12:44)
  • What Chef’s look for in a resume (14:40)
  • Why “farm to table” should transcend the trend (17:18)
  • Cultivating relationships with local growers (19:24)
  • The dish that got him the job at Delaney Oyster House (22:02)
  • Their number one selling dish (24:42)
  • Where he finds inspiration for new dishes and ideas (26:03)
  • A lesson in Puerto Rican hot sauces (29:19)
  • The difference in culinary styles from Napa Valley to the South (31:54)
  • A Shamil Velázquez-style dish to try at home (33:52)
  • Your expertly curated food tour of Charleston (37:41)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes – Culinary Leaders with a Hispanic Heritage

Conversation with Mely Martinez – Blogger and Author of “The Mexican Home Kitchen” cookbook

Conversation with Chef Jose Garces from Philadelphia

Discussion with Chef Andre Natera from the Fairmont Hotel in Austin, TX

Conversation with Chef Jonathan Zaragoza from Chicago

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Puerto Rico has a very food-centered culture. It’s just there at every birthday party, quinceanera, and holiday. Everything is food. It’s always about the food.

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For career day, I always dressed up as a chef. I guess I’ve never really given much thought to doing any other career.

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I actually started applying to the CIA (Culinary Institute of America) when I was in ninth grade.

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Do I agree with going to culinary school? Yes, I think it’s a great idea. I think it definitely is a good base and a good foundation.

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As a chef, it is our due diligence to make sure that we are working with local farmers, local fishmongers, oyster farmers, and do our part in society rather than leaving the carbon footprint of getting stuff from the other side of the world, when it’s right here.

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I think that’s always very important as a chef to open up and learn from others rather than saying, “My food. My way, or the highway”. No way, it’s always easier for you to understand other people and understand where they come from so that we can do something really cool together.

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Richard Landau – An Early Pioneer of the Plant-Based Trends30 Mar 202100:45:51

Over the past decade, vegetable forward food has really started to get the recognition it deserves. That’s due to a handful of Chefs who took the attention away from meat before it became the “cool” thing to do. Today’s guest is Chef Richard Landau, an early pioneer of the plant based trends that have been rapidly gaining in popularity. His first restaurant, Horizons, opened in Philadelphia back in 1994. His talents in the kitchen have earned him accolades by the James Beard Foundation and he starred in the Food Network series Chopped. Along with his wife, Chef Kate Jacoby, he’s authored several plant-based cookbooks, including Vedge: 100 Plates Large and Small That Redefine Vegetable Cooking.
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What we covered in this episode with Richard Landau
  • Chef Richard Landau explains why the traditional restaurant model isn’t working (4:42)
  • The romance versus the reality of working in restaurants (7:37)
  • Chef Richard Landau and a  simplified vision of the future restaurant experience (11:20)
  • Shifting away from the brick and mortar concept (14:40)
  • Why vegetables deserve more praise says Chef Richard Landau (16:46)
  • Kicking the carnivore habit as a meat lover (17:57)
  • Chef Richard Landau shares the top plant-based food trends to watch (23:05)
  • How to add complexity to vegetables (24:54)
  • Local seasonality versus global transportation of produce (28:24)
  • Creative cooking rules to live by (29:42)
  • The star of the menu at Vedge by chef Richard Landau (31:31)
  • How to step up your taco game (36:38)
  • A series of rapid-fire questions.
Links to other episodes in Philadelphia

Conversation with Chef Jose Garces

Conversation with chef Brian Duffy

https://flavorsunknown.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/ZucchiniTrapanese2-copy.jpg zucchini trapanese. A simple dish of sauteed shaved zucchini in a tomato, almond, basil and calabrian chile pesto topped with grated almond. https://flavorsunknown.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/CARROT-STEAK-2-copy.jpg Carrot steak with carrot sauerkraut puree on pumpernickel and a kimchee kraut. https://flavorsunknown.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/CORN-CHOWDER-2-copy.jpg Corn chowder – creamed corn with a seared potato “scallop” and a tomato, pepper and parsley salad. https://flavorsunknown.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/SMOKED-TOFU-copy.jpg House smoked tofu over a fava bean hummus, with dukkah spice and a green olive salad.




Veggie taco recipe

First, find a really good tortilla that you love.
Don’t limit tacos to Mexican food.
Korean tacos are very popular nowadays, and also Chinese tacos.
You can go to Peruvian or Brazilian cuisine influences. 
Really stretch yourself out and just have some fun.
You can use tempeh, seitan, or strictly veggie with cauliflower or shredded mushroom. 

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People glorify this 80-hour workweek. I’ve done it, I did for years man, I mean it’s not a battle scar, it’s not a badge of honor. It sucked.

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My sole mission was to show people that they did not need to eat meat to have a great meal. I’m not trying to convert anyone. If you can make someone a great meal and they never missed meat, then you’re successful.

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Don’t expect vegetables to do the work for you, that is the biggest difference between vegetables and meat. You’ve got to really get some flavor into them.

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I’m going to listen to these vegetables, I’m not going to try to force a recipe into them, but I’m gonna listen to them. And let them take me to a place where they can easily go.

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Cooking is an expression of you. It’s not something you want to do that someone else has done, so try to make it original. Do something that no one’s done before. It’s okay if you make a mistake, it’s okay if it’s not spectacular. You gotta be creative.

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Mely Martinez Celebrates the Traditional Flavors of Mexico16 Mar 202100:43:28

In this episode, we’re celebrating the deep flavors of traditional Mexican cuisine. Today’s guest is Mely Martinez, blogger and author of the well-known Mexico in My Kitchen website and cookbook. Inspired by her desire to leave a legacy of traditional flavors for her son to easily access wherever he was in the world, she started a collection of recipes online. The site quickly gained a global audience of cooks who wanted to hold onto the flavors of home, and those who wanted to discover the authentic flavors of Mexico for the first time. She’s masterfully brought together a collection of traditional recipes from across the country, and in doing so, has inspired new generations of professional chefs and home cooks to discover the rich variety within Mexican gastronomy.

What we covered in this episode
  • Mely Martinez talks about the inspiration behind the recipes (9:48)
  • The cultural shift driving the resurgence of traditional Mexican food (15:58)
  • Why you won’t see a Mely Martinez restaurant (18:42)
  • Regional differences in Mexican cuisine (22:25)
  • Mely Martinez shares her life lessons from traditional cooking (28:16)
  • A recipe you can make at home that you won’t find the book (35:15)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast
Links to other episodes in Dallas

Conversation with Chef Misti Norris from Petra & The Beast

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Recipe: Tamales de Puerco – Pork Tamales from Mely Martinez Ingredients: For the meat:

1 pound of pork shoulder, cut into cubes
2 garlic cloves
¼ of a white onion
1 bay leaf
4 cups of water
1 teaspoon of salt

For the sauce:

2 Ancho peppers, cleaned, deveined, and seeded
3 Guajillo peppers, cleaned, deveined, and seeded
2 small garlic cloves
1/3 teaspoon of ground cumin
1 tablespoon of vegetable oil
Salt and black pepper to season

For the dough:

3 cups of cornflour (masa harina)
1-1/3 cup of lard
2½ cups of the broth where you cooked the meat in.
1 teaspoon of baking powder
Salt, if needed (the broth already has salt added)
16 large corn husks, plus more for adding to the steaming pot

Instructions:

1. In a medium-size pot, combine the pork meat, garlic, onion, bay leaf, and 1 teaspoon of salt. Cover with the water. Bring to a boil, then reduce the heat. Simmer partially covered, occasionally skimming off and discarding the fat from the surface. Cook for about 1 hour, or until meat is tender enough to shred. Remove the onion, garlic, and bay leaf from the pot and discard. When the meat is cool enough to handle, shred it into bite-size pieces and set aside.
2. While the meat is cooking, soak the dry peppers in a medium-size pot with warm water for about 20 minutes. Drain the peppers and place them in your blender along with the garlic cloves, cumin, and 1/3 cup of water (some people use the soaking water). Process until you have a smooth sauce.
3. Heat the vegetable oil in a medium-size skillet over medium heat, then add the pepper sauce with 1 cup of the meat broth and cook for 8 minutes.
4. Add the shredded pork to the sauce and season with salt and ground black pepper. Add more broth if needed. Simmer until heated through, about 5 more minutes.
5. Place the corn husks into a large bowl with warm water to soak for about 30 minutes. After this time, remove the husks, drain any excess water, and set aside.
6. To prepare the dough, beat the lard in a large bowl until it is light in color and slightly fluffy. You can do this by hand or using an electric mixer. Add the baking powder and the cornflour (masa harina), then gradually add the pork broth until the dough is very light. If your dough looks dry, add more broth or water. Taste and add salt if needed.
7. Continue to beat until the dough is well combined, light, and smooth. To make sure your dough is light enough, place a small amount in a glass with water. If it floats, then that means that it’s ready.
8. To assemble the tamales, place a small amount of the dough in the center of a cornhusk. Using the back of a spoon, spread the dough out and top it with 1½ tablespoons of the meat filling.
9. Fold the right and left sides of the corn husk in towards the center, overlapping and completely covering the dough and the filling, then fold up the narrow end of the husk towards the center.
10. Add enough water to your steaming pot so that it almost reaches the steam rack. Line the steam rack with corn husks, then place the tamales standing up in the pot. Cover them with a layer of corn husks and cook for 1 hour. During that time, add more water to the steamer if needed. To check if your tamales are ready, remove one tamal from the pot, wait 5 minutes, then open it. If the husk separates easily from the dough when you open it, then the tamales are ready. If the dough sticks to the husk, then place it back into the pot and cook for 15 more minutes. Serve the tamales while still hot, just let them rest for 5 minutes first so that the dough can firm up.

Notes:
• If you have to add more water to the pot when cooking, make sure to pour it as close to the wall of the pot as possible, avoiding the tamales. If water gets into the tamales, they will lose their flavor and the dough will be soggy.
• You can reheat the tamales in the microwave for 1 minute per tamal. You can also steam them again to warm them up. Yet another way to reheat them is to place them on a hot skillet with the cornhusk still on. The cornhusk will start roasting, and this will add an extra smoky flavor to the tamal. Turn them 2 or 3 times until warm.
• The tamales will keep well in your freezer for a couple of months.
• Not everyone has a special steamer for tamales (called a Tamalera), but you can improvise one by using one of several methods. You can crumble up some aluminum foil and place it at the bottom of the pot, then cover it with cornhusks and place the tamales on top. You can also grab a disposable aluminum pie dish and cut some holes in it with a knife, then place it upside-down in the pot to use as a steaming rack.

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We have changed the way we cook because people are busier now and they want to have the same taste, the same comfort, but they want it faster.


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When previous generations of Mexicans came to live in the states, they wanted the kids to learn English quickly, they wanted to adapt to the culture so they fit in. But nowadays, there is a new pride in our culture. People are so proud to have Mexican heritage.


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There was something missing that people wanted to have. Because there is comfort in the food that we remember from grandma.


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My job was to help bring in water from the river and grind the corn and then helping my brother to take the lunch to the farmers. When you’re growing up you see it as a task and you don’t realize it until you are older than it was The School of Life.

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What you see in restaurants that call themselves Mexican or authentic Mexican, are modified recipes. They are not too close to what we know traditionally in Mexico. That was something that I wanted to write. I wanted to have a recipe book.


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I know it’s very hard to make something traditional because for people outside of Mexico. When you go to Mexico and you taste the ingredients, you taste the tomatoes, you taste the peppers, they taste completely different.

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Chris Spear – The Personal Chef Behind Chefs Without Restaurants02 Mar 202100:44:06

Chef Chris Spear works his magic not from the chaotic depths of a restaurant kitchen, but from the mobility of his own food truck. His company, Perfect Little Bites, operates a private-chef-at-your-doorstep experience based in Frederick, Maryland. Today, he’ll talk about why his restaurant working experiences inspired him to become an entrepreneur, his desire to build a local culinary community, and how the concept of his unique business has evolved. He’s also a fellow podcaster, hosting Chefs Without Restaurants, so we’ll chat about the benefits and challenges of podcasting.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Chris Spear explains what makes Perfect Little Bites unique (3:08)
  • The great debate: culinary school or industry experience? (6:10)
  • Chef Chris Spear talks about the pros and cons of being a private chef (10:33)
  • Sourcing inspiration for menu changes (18:46)
  • Chef Chris Spear  built a culinary community (25:40)
  • The origin of the Chefs Without Restaurants podcast (30:10)
  • Chef Chris Spear’s biggest influences (35:49)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
Links to other episodes in Mid-Atlantic

Conversation with Chef Hari Cameron from Delaware

Conversation with Chef Brian Duffy from Philadelphia

Panel Discussion with Two Chefs from NJ – Leia Gaccione and Sam Freund

Conversation with Chef Johnny Spero from Washington D.C.

Interview Celebrity Chef Jose Garces from Philadelphia

Conversation with Chef Drew Adams from Washington D.C.

A live recording from White Birch in NJ with Chef Sam Freund

A live recording with Chef Ehren Ryan from Common Lot in NJ

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I never loved that restaurant experience. I applied for jobs out of college and was turned off by the attitude of many of the hiring chefs. These guys sounded like jerks, and I didn’t really want to work for them.

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I think if you’re going to culinary school at a young age, you don’t necessarily know what you want to be doing. Get out in the industry and get a taste of things. 

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The challenge with being a personal chef is people think of you more like a caterer with a set menu. It’s the same traditional food you can get at restaurants and I always want it to be my own spin on things.

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I make my own schedule and do things at my own pace. That’s a benefit and also a curse sometimes. I am able to fully pursue my passion and I don’t have someone always analyzing every move I make.

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It sounds crazy to take off my menu dishes that are big sellers, but a part of why I do what I do is because I want the creative freedom to do new things.

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When I was new in town, I wanted to network with local restaurants and do events together. Nobody was interested in doing anything. But I found that people who were running food trucks, bakers, or caterers really craved that sense of community and wanted to do events together.

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Silvia Barban – Her Lifelong Italian Culinary Influences16 Feb 202100:41:01

Chef Silvia Barban learned to cook from a young age in the kitchen of her Venetian grandmother. Pairing those northern Italian recipes with the spicy Calabrian influences from her mother’s side of the family, she made a name for herself in America on Season 14 of Top Chef. 
Today, she’s the Executive Chef and co-owner of Italian restaurant LaRina in Brooklyn. We talk about her lifelong Italian culinary influences, how the seasons inspire her to innovate, and how to make the perfect gnocchi recipe at home. 

What we covered in this episode
  • Lessons learned from being on Top Chef (4:08)
  • The concept behind LaRina (7:09)
  • Where Italian tradition meets modern innovation (9:33)
  • How she finds inspiration (12:25)
  • When she first learned how to cook (13:29)
  • The difference between food from the north and south of Italy (15:20)
  • Finding inspiration through seasonality (20:11)
  • How LaRina pivoted to stay open through the pandemic (25:46)
  • Silvia’s recipe for the perfect gnocchi (27:59)
  • Five stops you need to make in Brooklyn (33:12)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes in New York City

Conversation with Executive Pastry Chef Mark Welker

Interview with Chef Gabriel Kreuther

Conversation with Chef David Burke

Interview with Chef Bryce Shuman

Interview with Chef Trigg Brown

Conversation with Pastry Chef Sam Mason (Odd Fellows)

Interview with Brand Ambassador Charlotte Voisey

Conversation with Flavien Desonlin from the Brandy Library

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Pasta dish recipe Best gnocchi recipe
  1. Instead of using regular potatoes, chef Silvia Barban suggest to use sweet potatoes.
    She suggests to always bake them in the oven, instead of boiling in water because then you don’t have potatoes they’re very wet. So, you don’t have to put as much flour as if you would have cooked them in water and it doesn’t get sticky.
  2. For 2.5 lbs of potatoes (even better if they’re a little old so they’re getting starchier).
  3. Bake them in the oven until they get cooked and soft.
  4. Peel them off. Always work on potatoes to make sure when they’re warm and not cold. It’s easier to handle and to absorb the other ingredients.
  5. Then you rice the potatoes (with a potato ricer)
  6. Add around 2 cups of regular flour, one egg, and 1 cup of grated parmesan.
  7. Add salt and black pepper.
  8. Just mix it all together to create a dough ball.
  9. Take a bit, just create these long “snakes” of dough, and cut in like little squares
  10. Put them in a pot of boiling water (add the salt when the water is boiling)
What is the best sauce for gnocchi?
    1. Lamb ragú would be great with sweet potato gnocchi. The lamb has a little strong flavor and the sweet potatoes go so well with it.
    2. With a lamb ragú, chef Silvia Barban suggests putting a lot of flavor on it like mint, rosemary, sage, and garlic, add olive oil, and cover with red wine.
    3. Let it cook in the oven until is tender basically.
    4. When it is cooked, take it off from the liquid.
    5. Reduce the liquid and pull the meat apart.
    6. Then just sautéed the gnocchi with that and finish with some parmesan.
    7. Do not put butter because the lamb is already rich and you want to taste the lamb you don’t want to taste some other flavor.
      You don’t want to taste cream either, you want to taste the lamb.
    8. Maybe you can add also some oyster mushroom.
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My grandmother from my father’s side was from Venice. She was the one taking care of me, and so when I was little I was a hyper kid. So she was giving me either water or wine…and she was teaching me how to cook. That’s how I started my journey.


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I don’t use cream. I don’t have that in my kitchen. When I was in school, my chef would tell me, ‘You know who uses cream? People who don’t know how to cook pasta.


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The best way to find the perfect olive oil is when you try it, it tastes like fresh fruit. It tastes like almonds. It tastes like green.


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The best way to find the perfect olive oil is when you try it, it tastes like fresh fruit. It tastes like almonds. It tastes like green.


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Elizabeth Falkner Continues to Challenge the Status Quo02 Feb 202100:59:27

Chef Elizabeth Falkner’s first restaurant Citizen Cake revolutionized the world of pastry in the US, and has catapulted her to the world stage on TV and through her creative culinary process as demonstrated in several cookbooks she’s authored. We talk about where she finds inspiration, the road towards better female representation across the industry, and the ways in which she continues to challenge the status quo.

What we covered in this episode with Elizabeth Falkner
  • Early inspiration’s that led Elizabeth into the industry (5:41)

  • The unique convergence of cheese and perfume (7:58)
  • How the necessity of to-go food is changing how chef’s think about packaging (13:46)
  • How Citizen Cake merged the worlds of coffee and pastries (18:37)

  • Where the worlds of sweet and savory collide (25:54)
  • How broken traditions become new favorites (29:19)

  • Fresh inspiration from the flavors of China (33:05)
  • Reimagining the industry post-pandemic (40:16)
  • Elizabeth’s top 5 LA eateries (43:51)

  • How to make her perfect Manhattan (54:01)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
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Conversation with Chef Tim Hollingsworth

Conversation with Chef Brad Miller

Interview with Chef Alison Trent

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“I’ve always liked to understand the basis of any kind of culture or language around food, and then also see where else I can take it.”


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“My world is often about this combination of food and sport, or food and art all coming together.”


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“I think we can all really appreciate plated food in general, or a cocktail in a glass, more than ever after this year, because everything is to-go and in a box or in a plastic cup.”


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“I’m always studying different kinds of cuisine, and cultures of people through cuisines and the language of spices and the language of technique.”


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“Humans have always migrated and changed recipes around the world because you have a war here, you’re oppressed over here. And you move over here and you want to bring your culture but you don’t have all the same ingredients. So you turn it into something.”


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“We have a country of so many amazing people and so many cultures from around the world, we should celebrate that rather than just try to push each other in our own lanes.”

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Bob Peters – Multi-Award-Winning Cocktail Artisan19 Jan 202100:41:08

If you’ve ever dreamt of building the ultimate home bar, a place where you can kick back and sink into that Negroni made just the way you like it, this episode might inspire you to start sourcing building materials. Today’s guest is Bob Peters, an award-winning mixologist from Charlotte, North Carolina. As one of the city’s most creative and influential cocktail professionals, he joined me to share his passion for the beverage world, and tell us about his garage bar man-cave, where he’s found refuge, and created an outlet for experimentation, through the pandemic. 

What we covered in this episode
  • Bob Peters tells us why the pandemic is particularly challenging for restaurant professionals (2:22)
  • How he’s transformed his garage into an online classroom (4:43)
  • Bob Peters shares a few of the affordable cocktails on the menu at The Grinning Mule (7:32)
  • How seasonality inspires his flavor combinations (11:12)
  • Bob Peters talks about how culinary trends influence mixology (15:35)
  • Bob Peters’ path to bartending (17:11)
  • An introduction to the Charlotte bar scene (19:19)
  • How local southern ingredients are represented in Bob Peter’s cocktail recipes (21:09)
  • Where science meets creativity (23:50)
  • The essentials of creating a great bar program (27:01)
  • Why health consciousness is the next big trend in cocktails (30:27)
  • Bob Peters’ favorite cocktail “trick” to wow customers (32:52)
  • The rockstar bartender he’d love to meet (35:25)
  • Books to inspire you behind the bar (37:18)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes with mixologists

Charlotte Voisey – The Exciting Life of a Brand Ambassador

Beau du Bois – Listen to Your Neighborhood!

Flavien Desoblin – Owner Brandy Library NYC

Mixologist Angel Teta from Portland

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners Cocktail recipe with Bourbon?

One of my favorite cocktails, sort of a boozy Manhattan-ish cocktail. I make a bourbon Negroni, and one of my favorite all-time cocktails is the Boulevardier. Well, I substitute out Campari for cynar, which is a cousin of Campari. And it gets a little bit more bitter, a little bit less sweet, very herbal, and not quite as fruity as Campari lends itself to be, I love making this cocktail to people who enjoy Manhattans. I love making them a cynar Boulevardier, which in my build, goes like two ounces of a really good, strong-flavored bourbon. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a hundred proof, but I love a good strong backbone bourbon with big shoulders that you can put flavors on and that still stands out like the Woodford Double Oak is one of my favorites to build a cynar Boulevardier with. I add two ounces of it and then three-quarters of an ounce of cynar and a half-ounce of some really nice vermouth. Then stir it and express an orange rind over it. It’s so simple, so delicious, so boozy and bitter. That’s one of my all-time cocktails for sure.

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“We realized that if we were able to keep things within reason, then we could do all of our cocktails no matter what they were for $11.”


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“I love edible flowers. I think that Mother Nature has the most beautiful things in the world, if we can showcase that stuff with maybe a pop of a garnish, then that’s prettier than anything I can make.”


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“You can create an experience with a cocktail that is so different than just having drinks or beers. That’s really what hooked me.”


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“I think that lends itself to a whole other level of creativity when you introduce a foam as an ingredient by itself.”


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 “I think that one of the huge things to me is to listen to your guests because sometimes they don’t really mean what they say. But if you listen, like if you really, really listen, then you’ll hear what they’re trying to tell you, even if they’re giving you different words for it.”


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Ryan Burk – Passionate Head Cider Master at Angry Orchard05 Jan 202100:54:15

The history of cider spans the globe from the ancient apple jungles of Kazakhstan, to lush orchards across Europe, to rich and fertile American soil. The diversity of the land contributes to the vast diversity of this special fruit. In this episode, I’m talking to Ryan Burk, Head Cider Maker at Angry Orchard located in Walden, New York. We talk about how cider is made, what makes it unique, and the creative ways you can drink, pair, and cook with ciders.

What we covered in this episode
  • Ryan Burk gives the definition of cider in the US compared to Europe (2:18)
  • How prohibition and the temperance movement affected orchards (4:21)
  • Ryan Burk describes the Angry Orchard product line (9:16)
  • The path towards cider innovation (13:07)
  • Different barrel aging techniques (17:26)
  • Ryan Burk talks about the seasonal process of cider production (22:09)
  • How Ryan Burk got into cider making (24:53)
  • How Ryan Burk sees the changes and innovations within the industry (28:14)
  • Apple growing regions and their flavor profiles (33:01)
  • Why ciders are great for cocktails (37:51)
  • Ryan Burk discusses how to pair cider with food (41:29)
  • A few interesting facts about apple seeds (47:20)
  • Ryan Burk’s predictions for future trends in cider (51:25)
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What cocktails with hard cider?

Anytime you see sparkling wine in a cocktail, you can replace it with cider. Take your favorite cocktail that has a sparkling white wine in it, take out the Prosecco and put in a dry sparkling cider, it’s really going to compliment the drink.
There’s a traditional cocktail in the US, maybe the first cocktail, called the Stone Fence. You would have cider, your choice of spirit, in most cases, rum or bourbon, a little bit of vermouth and some bitters. I’s very simple, equal parts and q dash of the bitters, and over a rock. I really liked that particular cocktail. It’s hard to say which ciders. So, when I think about that kind of a drink, like a heavier, bigger, bolder drink, something that would have rum or bourbon in it, and some bitters, I suggest something that has bittersweet in it to kind of stand up to that. I probably pick, if I was looking at Angry Orchard’s line, that’s available to everybody, our Unfiltered Cider. It is a really good cider to throw in the mix for that kind of a drink.

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I’ve always looked to the European traditions because that’s where the traditions lie. That’s where I can find the bulk of the history of the industry that I work in.

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We’re always looking at new apple varieties. So for me, innovation really starts in the orchard.

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Cider is a delicate drink. Much more delicate than say, bourbon, or beer or even wine.

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As things change, and as we have to adapt to those changes, it’s always important that the apple is the first part of the story. Otherwise, we lose the soul

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What I think is great about cider in a cocktail is anytime you see sparkling wine, it can replace that.

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When you find the right cider, you can get exactly what you get out of wine when it comes to pairing with food, and you get it at half the alcohol.

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Misti Norris: 4 ‘F’s – Farm, Forage, Ferment, Fire22 Dec 202000:46:26
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Misti Norris talks about her passion for farms, foraging, fermentation, and fire.
  • She shares her love for charcuterie and fresh pasta.
  • Chef Misti Norris explains how she took consumers from comfort food (gumbo, stews) to more unique offal dishes (pig parts, chicken hearts, veal tongues).
  • During the pandemic she went to a curbside menu for a little bit with more comfort food dishes that were a little more approachable, but still within their philosophy of using local farms and continued supporting local smaller businesses.
  • The concept for the restaurant Petra and the Beast has always been within a philosophy of sustainability. They are a low waste kitchen. 
  • Chef Misti Norris describes how her beef heart dish is prepared.
  • We learned about her sources of inspiration and her creative process. Think graphic novels and vinyl toys!
  • Chef Misti Norris has done numerous pop-ups around the country and she describes some collaborations she has done with other chefs.
  • Her ingredient obsession is turnip.
  • When she was eight years old, the first time her ‘maw maw’ made boudin balls, was the moment that sparked something in her and established a real connection with food.
  • Chef Misti Norris shares a pork rillettes recipe.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcasts http://bit.ly/Misti_Norris
Links to other episodes in Texas

Conversation with 3 Chefs in Austin (Chef Andre Natera, Chef Kevin Fink, and Chef Fiore Tedesco) – Vol 1

Conversation with 3 Chefs in Austin (Chef Andre Natera, Chef Kevin Fink, and Chef Fiore Tedesco) – Vol 2

Chef Fiore Tedesco – L’Oca D’Oro

Chef Michael Fojtasek – Olamaie

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Misti Norris’ pork rillettes recipe
  1. You could get pork shoulder or beef chuck roast, or any kind of protein that you want to use.
  2. You braise that out and essentially until meat is falling-apart tender and fat is soft.
  3. Transfer meat and skin to a large bowl and pour fat and any cooking liquid in a pot into a heatproof measuring cup.
  4. Shred the meat and add some fat, duck fat if you have some at the house, or if you have some extra pork fat, and the braising liquid you saved.
  5. Add salt, pepper,  nutmeg, pickles to it. You can add a little bit of vinegar, lots of nuts. We love using pumpkin seeds,  sunflower seeds, peanuts, pecans, stuff like that for texture.
  6. Pack the “rillette” mixture into jars, pushing out any air bubbles.
  7. Top each with a few spoonfuls of reserved fat and chill until set, at least overnight.
  8. Serve with sourdough bread or crackers.
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The concept for the restaurant Petra and the Beast has always been within the philosophy of sustainability. We are a low waste kitchen.

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Our main philosophy is to be a low waste, as sustainable as possible within the realm of supporting our smaller farms. It is almost like a community-based philosophy that we have for our restaurant.

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The concept of the restaurant is really using all the parts of fruits, veggies, and animals as well. Anything that gets done away either gets composted or preserved.

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One thing we love to do, especially for tastings, is to take one vegetable and used different techniques or methods and do it multiple different ways on a dish.

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iI was just an immediate love. I just fell in love with the whole process of butchering and aging.

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I’m a huge collector of graphic novels and vinyl toys. I think a lot of inspiration sometimes will come from something I see or something that an artist does.

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Andrew McLeod – Cooking is an Exercise in Practicality08 Dec 202000:54:42
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Andrew McLeod from Avenue M talks about the challenge of launching a new menu when a customer base 
  • How did he balance the business need to keep classics on the menu and the desire to add his own creations?
  • Chef Andrew McLeod says that cooking is an exercise in practicality and not a series of creations from an artist.
  • Avenue M’s menu features locally sourced ingredients.  Chef Andrew McLeod takes us through the relationship with local farmers and purveyors.
  • He shares his passion for Salumi and Pasta.
  • Chef Andrew McLeod describes the concept of the Sunday Supper Series created during the pandemic.
  • He talks about his sources of inspiration and his creative process.
  • Chef Andrew McLeod mentions his latest ingredient obsession: mushroom pellets.
  • He describes his experience with chef Sean Brock.
  • Chef Andrew McLeod talks about addiction issues in the industry and the need for recovery and asking for help.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/Andrew_McLeod
Links to other episodes in the Appalachian region

Conversation with Chef Matt Bolus in Nashville

Covid-19: 3 Chefs respond with Chef Ian Boden

Episode with Chef Edward Lee

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners Quick and easy pasta recipes with few ingredients.

A recipe from Chef McLeod. “That’s a really easy kind of one pot deal or one pan deal that I like to do sometimes is either farfalle or macaroni or whatever, kind of dry noodle that you have laying around to cook that. While you’re doing that, render some sausage, some breakfast sausage, like hot and spicy Jake’s breakfast sausage, or something like that in a pan. Toss in some kale or torn up collard greens or turnip greens, or whatever you have around and glaze that in the sausage fat. Drain off some of the fat, add a little bit of cream to the pan and toss your pasta with it and crush it with some Parmesan cheese and fine herbs and lemon juice. That’s a really good, if you got twenty minutes for a quick dinner or a lunch meal.”

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I don’t view a dish as something that I created or that we created as a team, or that comes inherently from a creative place. I really feel that cooking is an exercise in practicality.

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My understanding of a chef is that you’ve sourced the best product that you can from the best place that you can. That’s your responsibility to figure out how to translate that into something that somebody wants to eat.

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Most people that are serious about cooking have had periods where they really had an inflated sense of themselves. I was certainly one of those people that was really trying to do things that were far beyond my skill set and trying to be in places that I didn’t belong to.

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Chef Sean Brock always had the PIE theory – Product, Ideas, and Execution. That’s something that was really important in our development as chefs and managers working with him.

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You can’t properly express anything creatively without proper technique and fundamentals.

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I’m a really open-source guy. I don’t believe in secrets in the kitchen.

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Filled pasta is always my favorite kind to make by hand. That’s where I feel like I just have the most satisfaction of working with my hands.

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Chef Sean Brock is the biggest influence that I’ll ever have. He’s the first person that allowed me to come in and see a real kitchen. I was never the same after that day. It just sparked me in the direction that I currently am still in.

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Nina Compton: From Caribbean Flavors to NOLA23 Apr 202400:58:43

Today I’m talking to Chef Nina Compton, a James Beard award-winning chef based in New Orleans,Louisiana. She’s the owner and creative mind behind Compère Lapin and Bywater American Bistro. You’ll hear about her experience on Season 11 of Top Chef, – Saint Lucian roots

What you’ll learn from Nina Compton
  • Chef Nina Conpton’s  unique and flavorful upbringing in St. Lucia 2:35
  • The sweet scents of a childhood in the Caribbean 3:44
  • The influence of her grandmother in her cooking 5:54
  • Cakes of the Caribbean 7:26
  • Nina Compton’s journey to becoming a chef 8:35
  • Why she went to culinary school 9:26
  • A detour in her plans to get back to the Caribbean 11:50
  • How Nona Compton brings together the flavors of New York, Miami, and the Caribbean 14:36
  • The surprise hit dish that she can’t take off of the menu 15:27
  • Staples that have remained on the menu 16:57
  • The reopening of her neighborhood restaurant 17:56
  • How the menus at her two restaurants differ 21:25
    Practicing the power of restraint 22:28
  • Her strong involvement in the bar program and New Orleans expectations 24:03
  • The less-familiar sources of her Italian wines 25:42
  • How seasonality is reflected in her food 26:51
  • Her experience on Top Chef 28:40
  • The lengthy process of making the cut 31:13
  • A day in the life of a Top Chef contestant 32:26
  • Why she doesn’t want to return to Top Chef as a contestant 35:34
  • The evolution of the New Orleans culinary scene 36:59
  • The sharing nature of local chefs 38:57
  • Origin of the nameCompère Lapin 41:47
  • Her culinary tour of New Orleans 44:03
  • Her simple guilty pleasures 46:04
  • Recent cookbooks to explore 46:57
  • Kitchen pet peeves 48:23
  • The worst trend she’s seeing in the industry 51:42
  • Her advice for working your way up in the business 52:24
  • The chef she would like to collaborate with 53:54
  • Her alternative career if she wasn’t a chef 54:37


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Don’t miss out on the chance to hear from these talented chefs and gain insight into the world of culinary techniques. Check out the links below for more conversations with chefs from New Orleans.

Conversaion with chef Nathanial Zimet

Conversation with chef Michael Gulotta

Listen to my conversation with chef Alex Harrell

Listen to my conversation with Chef Rebecca Wilcomb

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Bryce Shuman Transforms The Ordinary Into A Refined Experience24 Nov 202000:55:02
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Bryce Shuman traveled at a young age with his parents (his mother was an anthropologist) and he shares the interesting food he was exposed to in Costa Rica and in the Arctic. 
  • He takes us through the journey that took him from being a dishwasher to San Francisco at Rubicon with Stuart Brioza and Nicole Kraskinski, to his travels in Europe, to Eleven Madison Park in New York, and finally his restaurant Betony in New York.
  • Chef Bryce Schuman shares what he learned from his mentors Stuart Brioza, Nicole Kraskinski, and Daniel Humm.
  • We learned how him and Chef Hari Cameron became friends. Click here to access the episode with Chef Hari Cameron.
  • Chef Bryce Shuman gives some advice for young cooks to be successful in their careers.
  • He describes his experience at his (now closed) restaurant Betony in New York.
  • Chef Bryce Shuman talks about his creative process ad the collaboration approach to menu creation at Betony.
  • His first source of inspiration – the ingredients.
  • Chef Bryce Shuman introduces his new concept ‘Ribs n sides’ created during the pandemic.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes in New York City

Conversation with Executive Pastry Chef Mark Welker

Interview with Chef Gabriel Kreuther

Conversation with Chef David Burke

Interview with Chef Trigg Brown

Conversation with Pastry Chef Sam Mason (Odd Fellows)

Interview with Brand Ambassador Charlotte Voisey

Conversation with Flavien Desonlin from the Brandy Library

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Fluffy pancake recipe by Chef Bryce Shuman
  1. Two cups of flour
    Two cups of buttermilk
    One half a stick of melted butter in the buttermilk
    One teaspoon and a half of baking powder
    Half a teaspoon of baking soda
    A pinch of salt
    1/4 cup of sugar
    4 eggs
  2. Separated the yolks and the whites. Place the yolks into the wet ingredients. Make sure you don’t break the yolks.
    Then you take the sugar and you add it into your whites. You beat your whites until they are stiff; basically making a French Meringue.
    You add the dry ingredients into your wet ingredients and mix until smooth, but don’t over-mix it too much.
    Fold in your whites in thirds.
    Get your pan hot warm, add about a cup of butter. It should be nice and foamy.
    Start dropping in your pancakes. You’re going to want your eat to be on about medium low. And these pancakes are going to brown as they’ve got sugar in the them. The sugar’s going to caramelize faster than a regular pancake. So you got to be careful. You can’t have the temperature of the pan too hot.
    You’re going to flip these pancakes when they’re still a little bit softy on the top. Then cook them on the other side and then take them out.
    Now, I promise you, if you do this right, these are going to be the most fluffy, delicious pancakes you ever had.
How to Become a Successful Chef by Chef Bryce Shuman
  1. Decide what kind of chef you want to be.
  2. Do your research and trail or stage at different restaurants.
  3. Select the one you like, put your head down, work hard, ad stay there for several years.
  4. Get mentors and learn from them.
  5. If you jump around from one restaurant to another, make sure to learn different skills at each location.
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Eating seal when I was a kid was an interesting experience. It’s very irony, somewhat fishy, but it was definitely like red meat. But I preferred caribou.

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I’ve been trying to recreate experiences that I have not been able to find anywhere else. I have certain benchmarks like the best pork chops or the best strawberry.

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I loved washing dishes. All you do is organize things, tidy things up, and put things in a row. And nobody messes with you!

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First, decide what your absolute goal is. Decide what kind of a chef you want to be.

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I learned from Daniel Humm that you have to be absolutely doggedly ruthless about your goals and your achievement of them. You can’t let anything stand in the way.

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A chef tries to create a real experience that doesn’t exist anywhere else in the world based on the essence of the location.

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Carlo Lamagna Reformulates Traditional Filipino Cuisine10 Nov 202000:45:20
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Carlo Lamagna shares his thoughts about Filipino cuisine and why when restaurant suggestions are made, often people mention Thai, Ramen, Korean Barbecue, Pho, Sushi, and Indian joints. Rarely will Filipino Cuisine be included in the conversation.
  • Other Asian cuisines have been part of the American landscape for decades. But only in recent years have Filipino dishes started gaining recognition outside immigrant communities.
  • Chef Carlos Lamagna describes Filipino food. With more than 7,500 islands, the Philippines is an archipelagic country. It went through a lot of foreign influences thought out History.
  • Adobo is a good example is a very popular dish. That is well-known around the world, but what people don’t realize that every Island and every region in the Philippines has its own variations and every family has its own variations. 
  • Chef Carlo Lamagna says that the most common answer that people give about Filipino cuisine is that it’s a fusion cuisine. He couldn’t disagree more. Filipino cuisine is an evolutionary cuisine. It evolves just like any other culture. 
  • Filipino cuisine has Malaysian, British, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and Pacific Islanders influences.
  • Chef Carlo Lamagna mentions that the condiment game in the Philippines is very strong. The condiments like Bagoong, Suka, vinegar, fermented shrimp pastes, fish sauces, soy sauce, or a mixture of any of those ingredients are used to personalize the dish itself.
  • He describes his restaurant Magna as a non traditional Filipino restaurant that is inspired by its roots, by traditional and authentic flavors that are authentic to him. It is a modern Filipino restaurant serving modern versions of traditional dishes.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast https://apple.co/Carlo_Lamagna
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Conversation with Chef Bonnie Morales – A Return To Russian Cooking

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners Filipino Adobo recipe from Chef Carlo Lamagna

I think a lot of people should really truly explore what Adobo is. When I cook Adobo at home, I use a combination of both pork belly and pork neck bone. There’s good meat on the neck bone. It adds a lot of great flavor to the broth when it’s brought down and the pork belly itself is a tougher and richer cut. I cook it the way that my dad cooks it. Add water, vinegar, Bay leaves, garlic, peppercorns inside the pot with your neck bones and pork belly, just to cover. The pork belly can be diced up. You start slowly cooking that down. Most Adobo a lot of people do is very saucy. I like mine a little on the drier side. It’s a little bit more on the oily side. That fat is such great flavor when you put it on rice. So I actually cook it util the liquid is almost all gone. And then I season it with soy sauce. I don’t add the soy sauce at the beginning, because if you add the soy sauce in the beginning, as it cooks out, it actually the bitter notes of the soy sauce will come out more and you don’t want that. Always season it at the very end and I never eat it right away. I always eat it the day after. It’s a labor of patients because again, just like any braise, it’ll be so much better the next day, because all of those flavors are allowed to sit in there and re-soaked back into the meats. Yes, you can eat it right away. It’s fine. But it’s going to be significantly better the next day. That’s one thing that I would encourage you to try . Serve it with a nice bowl of white rice using Jasmine rice as it is the most common rice in the Philippines.

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The Filipino community is actually one of the oldest immigrant communities in the US brought over via trade ships and trade galleons from the Spanish colonization area. 

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The Filipino community kind of holding themselves back as well. Why would I bother paying X amount of money when I could just make that at home? And that I think is actually one of the main reasons why Filipino food has been held back for so many years.

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Now you have your generations of Filipinos that have grown up here that are now wanting to reconnect with their roots.

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The most common answer that people give about Filipino cuisine is that it’s a fusion cuisine. I couldn’t disagree more. I hate that word personally.

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Filipino cuisine is an evolutionary cuisine. It evolves just like any other culture.

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The condiments like Bagoong, Suka, vinegar, fermented shrimp pastes, fish sauces, soy sauce, or a mixture of any of those ingredients are used to personalize Filipino dishes.

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Lamar Moore – Striving for Greatness27 Oct 202000:45:59
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Lamar Moore won the Food Network’s Vegas Chef Prizefight and became the Head Chef of Bugsy & Meyer’s Steakhouse at the Flamingo in las Vegas.
  • He shares with us the premise of the show ad his experience on TV cooking shows.
  • Chef Lamar Moore shares his approach to opening a new restaurant.
  • He talks about the food scene in Las Vegas.
  • Chef Lamar Moore comes back to what compelled him to become a chef and the different experiences he had traveling abroad in Europe, Greece, and Peru.
  • Chef Lamar Moore describes his creative process and his sources of inspiration.
  • Giving back to the community is essential to him and he wants to provide opportunities to the younger generation of cooks.
  • Chef Marcu Samuelsson.
  • Less than 18% of chefs are African-Americans and Chef Lamar Moore said “We have to work twice as hard just to keep up and three times as hard to earn the opportunity.”
  • He talks about the difficulties of being African-American today and the need for equal opportunities.
  • Chef Lamar Moore has a passion for mentoring African-American youth. Now with his celebrity chef status and his recent victory at the Vegas Chef Prizefight, he is, even more, empowered to show an example of black excellence to a younger generation of African-American.
  • He mentions that great dish recipes ca come from mistakes. He tells the story of how the Sweet Tea Brined Pork Chops came about.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
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Pimiento cheese burger recipe from Chef Lamar Moore
  • Moore’s signature burger features two thin-smashed patties, house-made pimento cheese, and pickles on a brioche bun.
    Toast the brioche buns in a frying pan with butter (both sides).
    Place a slice of cheese on top of the buns.
    For the patties, mix 80% Angus and 20% brisket.
    Add salt and pepper to the patties.
    Sizzle the burgers.
    Do not press the burger down when it cooks.
  • For the pimiento cheese.
    Mix diced smokes jalapenos, raw jalapenos, red pimientos, mayo, fresh garlic, a little bit of beer, green onions, cilantro, sour cream cream, cream cheese, ad shredded cheddar.Place the burgers on the buns.
    Drop the pimiento cheese on top of the burgers.
  • Serve and enjoy!
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Each week I competed on a high level and I was able to get in the heads of a lot of the chefs that I competed against and make sure that I set myself apart from what they did.

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I define myself as a fun-loving chef and a person, and I like to have great camaraderie in the kitchen and with people. I’m a huge people person. I like to give back to communities.

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It’s so important to me as a person and as a chef to give back to communities and I do it through food.

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I’ve had great people that mentored me and it’s important for me to continue to echelon through other people.

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There are a lot of African-American chefs out there. We need to have a voice and a sound for ourselves to be known for who we are and culturally, for what we do.

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One of my favorite chefs is Marcus Samuelsson. I love what he does for the community. I watch how he brings up other chefs throughout his teams and his operations. I model myself out to him.

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There’s a lot of things that I don’t want to do that I have to do. There’s a lot of things that I don’t want to do that I need to do. And there’s a lot of things that I don’t want to do that I must do.

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Nick DiGiovanni – A Young Entrepreneur Pursuing His Dreams13 Oct 202000:40:30
What we covered in this episode with Nick DiGiovanni
  • Nick DiGiovanni talks about his motivation to participate to MasterChefs.
  • 8 in 10 US Adults in the US watch cooking shows – what specifics appeal to Nick DiGiovanni about cooking shows?
  • Nick DiGiovani shares his connections with Chef Gordon Ramsey and Joe Bastianich on the show.
  • He graduated from Harvard in 2019 Harvard and decided to self-designed his own major around “Food and Climate”.
  • Nick DiGiovani did an internship with chef Corey Lee at Benu, a three-star Michelin restaurant in San Francisco, and worked as a line cook at Cambridge restaurant Waypoint during his sophomore and junior years.
  • He grew-up in an Italian and Persian household and describe how this multi cultural background influence his cooking.
  • Social media is a strategic tool for Nick DiGiovanni and he shows an amazing follower base growth both on Instagram and TikTok.
  • Nick DiGiovanni shares his top food spots in the Boston area.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.

Listen to my conversation with Niick DiGiovanni on the Apple Podcast here!

Listen to my conversation with Niick DiGiovanni on Spotify here!

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Episode #39 with Chef Jamie Bissonnette – Unconstrained Creativity

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Conversation with Chef Brad Miller in episode #40 – Amazing Food Trucks!

Episode #64 with Chef Silvia Barban – Her Lifelong Italian Culinary Influences

Conversation with Chef Elizabeth Falkner in episode #63 – Elizabeth Falkner Continues to Challenge the Status Quo

Episode #56 with Chef Lamar Moore – Striving for Greatness

Conversation with Chef Tim Hollingsworth in episode #51 – Celebrating Luxury and Mundane Food

Episode #52 with Chef Brian Duffy – A Gigantic Appetite for Casual Restaurants

Conversation with Chef Edward Lee in episode #21 – The Marco Polo of American Cuisine

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Go-To Pasta from Nick DiGiovanni

I find it hard to beat just a good homemade pasta with some sort of homemade pesto. That’s always my go-to, and my favorite. It’s so easy. It’s so delicious. There’s nothing like blending the pesto up in the blender and then taking off the lid and got all hot and steamy smell. It is one of the best smells I’ve ever found in the kitchen. And then if you want to be a little bit more challenging to yourself, there’s always that Egg Yolk Ravioli you can make. It takes a little bit more time and precision. Try to fold in egg yolk into your pasta, and keep it whole where you get this amazing sauce from the egg yolk after you break it open.

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I think everyone was thinking that I would be really scared and nervous meeting Gordon Ramsey. That didn’t bother me at all. He was a super nice guy. For me, it was just like meeting any other person.

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There’s obviously a lot of things that happen with the show that has to do with it being a reality show, but at the same time, there’s a lot more of real cooking than people assume.

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I wouldn’t be opposed to going on the side of the judges a little bit and getting to taste a bunch of other people’s food, but I feel like I still have to prove myself a little bit before I can get in that position.

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I’m lucky to be at one of the best schools in the world [Harvard], and I should be able to study what I want to study here.

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Good food and good ingredients are the ones that are oftentimes grown naturally anyway. So if you’re actually going out and finding the best ingredients you can find, I think chances are most of the time they’re going to be really good for the environment too.

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Nine out of 10 kids, at least according to the CDC, don’t eat enough veggies. So we said, how can we fix that? We thought about foods that kids love and pasta is immediately always at the top of that list/ What kid doesn’t like pasta?

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Once you fall in love with food, it’s hard to think in any other way. It’s such an amazing thing to work with and it makes everybody happy.

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Jeremy Umansky – The Koji Expert29 Sep 202000:56:02
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Jeremy Umansky mentions that they were really fortunate that a good half of our business before the pandemic was to-go-food. They have greatly pared down the amount of offerings that we’ve been been doing on a given day. 
  • He lists some of the pickles they were making during the pandemic: kosher dill pickle, green bean pickles, cucumber pickles, and Koji cabbage pickle.
  • We talked about what got him into fermentation ad how he discovered Koji.
  • Chef Jeremy Umansky explains that Koji is the backbone of many foods in Asia, especially the core ingredient like amino pastes like Miso and alcohols like Makgeolli or sake, and, some soy sauce like Shochu. So many of them cannot be made without Koji.
  • He presents his book Koji Alchemy.  It is not a cookbook in the traditional sense. Chef Jeremy Umansky wanted to give people the tools to explore and use Koji through their own cultural lens.
  • He explains that Koji don’t shorten the curing time but it can bring down the drying time by as much as 60%. 
  • At Larder Delicatessen in Ohio City, the two things they offer all the time are their pastrami sandwich and their fried chicken sandwich. And in both of those, they use Koji.
  •  Chef Jeremy Umansky describes his creative process as collaborative because when you’re making food to serve to large amounts of people, you have so many varying degrees of preferences for different things. So working as a team is really important.
  • Seasonality is the driver and the inspiration. Enjoying something that is so special that you hold it in high regard.
  • Chef Jeremy Umansky shares his past problems with drug and alcohol and the big focus of the restaurant industry needs to be that you can work in this profession, you can embrace it and you don’t need those things.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
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Conversation with Chef Brett Sawyer


Submitted questions from podcast listeners Chef Jeremy Umansky’s fried chicken sandwich recipe

The fried chicken sandwich, it starts with a bun that we made, and it’s a buttermilk bread recipe in which we culture the buttermilk with Koji first. And it adds this wonderful, cheesy note that’s above and what buttermilk would normally have. So we do that. We bake the bread, the chicken itself, you know, for those of you that, that kind of want to do this at home. We make a marinade of two parts buttermilk. So one part amazake, which is a liquid version of Koji, and we marinate the chicken in there with a little bit of salt. We put a little bit of either hot sauce or cayenne in there, and our house spice mixture, which is a blend of toasted yeast. We take just regular baker’s yeast and we toast it. And then oven for about a 350 degree oven for about 45 minutes to an hour untill it’s just golden brown and malty. And we blend that with some caraway and juniper and black pepper and sesame and mustard seed. We add that mixture to the chicken. We let it marinate. Sometimes if we’re in a rush, it just gets about an hour, but other times, we prefer to let it go overnight. And then we pre cook the chicken before we fry it. So we’ll bake it off on a sheet tray in the oven, just until it’s cooked. We typically bring it to about 155 and then let it carry over. And then once it’s cooled, we put it back in the marinade and then we go into the bread and the fry. For the breading we use equal parts all purpose flour, and cornstarch. We also put our house spice mixture into, so we’ve got your cooked marinated chicken, you dredge it. And then we fry it 325 just for a few minutes. So, the whole sandwich itself, we put on a house mayonaise that we make. It is mayo, some of the mustard that we make, which is a mix of a Midwestern spicy brown mustard and a whole grain mustard. We put some pickles on there and we dressed the whole thing with an oil and vinegar slaw. It’s cabbage, it has cherry Kool-Aid pickled onions in it, and lots of fresh dill. And the dressing for that is a vinegarette that we make with Koji, our mustard and some oil. So put the whole thing together and you’ve got this beautiful, beautiful fried chicken sandwich.

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I did some more research and found out that Koji is the backbone of many foods in Asia, especially the core ingredient like amino pastes like Miso and alcohols like Makgeolli or sake, and, some soy sauce like Shochu. So many of them cannot be made without Koji.

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People have been working with Koji for thousands and thousands of years, and going back even 150 years, people had far less access to technology and modern resources that we have now.

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Koji smells intoxicating and sensual, and we compare it to this mix of Granny Smith apple and honeysuckle meets roasted chestnut and just a little bit of mushroom. Kind of earthy funk.

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That’s the driver, that’s the inspiration, that intense seasonality and enjoying something that is so special that you hold it in high regard.

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Self-realization. That’s the first thing. If the individual doesn’t want it, no matter how much you give to them, it’s a waste of everybody’s time. And that’s the unfortunate thing with addiction and alcoholism.

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Matt Bolus Introduces New Global Flavors To Nashville15 Sep 202001:01:22
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Matt Bolus describes his locations in Nashville, TN: The 404 Kitchen and Gertie’s Bar. All lot of global flavors and bourbon!
  • He talks about the types of dishes that bring him comfort.
  • Chef Matt Bolus shares how he navigated through the pandemic situation
  • He talks about the relationship he built with purveyors and with some of Kentucky’s top distillers, allowing him to buy exclusive single barrels to be sold exclusively at Gertie’s.
  • During the pandemic, Chef Matt Bolus started his Culinary Passport Staycation Dinner series in collaboration with people like Chef Chef Andrew Zimmern, Chef Marcus Samuelsson, Chef Carla Hall.
  • Chef Matt Bolus has a passion for Whiskey, specifically Bourbon and Rye. 
  • He gives examples about food and whiskey pairings.
  • Chef Matt Bolus wants to try and taste everything. He uses his tasting experience and music as sources of inspiration.
  • For the best Chicken wings he suggests to “cheat” and start by pre-cooking your wings in an oven or on the grill, or on a smoker.
  • Discover the three cookbooks that inspired Chef Matt Bolus the most and his guilty pleasure food.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What food goes well with bourbon?

You get the pork and rye roasted pork chop, blast of rye whiskey. I always loved the poached pears that we did at Le Cordon Bleu. Old school French dessert, most people don’t get excited about. I can understand why, because it’s a pear and people are thinking about it, but a good friend of mine, Scott Crawford out of Raleigh, North Carolina, came up and did a dinner with Kavalan whiskey, actually Taiwanese. They had a Sherry cask finish. So, Sherry – pears, okay. Those go together. Smokey – pear, that goes together as well. We took this Manzanilla cask finished Taiwanese whiskey, and added a little bit of butter and some sorghum. And we gently poached these pears. Just mind blowing the flavor that came off of it. It was the perfect marriage of flavors.
I love apples and bourbon in many forms, from apple pie to using apples with roasted butternut squash. It was with a pork Tenderloin on the Big Green Egg. I put this fat cap on Tenderloin on the top rack. And underneath that, I built a little boat of aluminum foil with butternut squash, garlic, herbs and gold rush apples and drizzled bourbon all over it. Buffalo Trace bourbon all over it and just let it slow cook. You get these crispy apples with this bright, oaky, woody, and earthy flavor.

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Southern born and raised. My grandfather was Lebanese and my first food memory is Lebanese food. I went to a French culinary school in England and I start a lot of dishes like an old Sicilian lady!

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One of the things that I always focus on is acid brightness, whether it be lemon juice, lime juice, or apple cider vinegar. Acid is going to bring out the flavor in a big way.

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I want to meet you as a purveyor. I want to know what kind of person you are. I’m horrible about asking you random questions that have nothing to do with business at hand.

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With 404 Kitchen Staycation Culinary Series, we are bringing chefs to Nashville like Andrew Zimmer and Marcus Sanderson, and Carla Hall. It’s a way for us to offer a little bit of getaway from the normal break, from your routine, and travel a little without having to go anywhere.

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We are more bourbon centric. The focus is on really on flavor profile and the nuances of it. People have realized over the course of probably the last 10 years, bourbon is much like wine. Particularly with some of the smaller producers, every barrel is different.

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One day I just realized I’m a lot happier at midnight on my hands and knees scrubbing the kitchen floor after a great service than sitting behind this desk in a nice suit, earning great money.

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Brian Duffy – A Gigantic Appetite for Casual Restaurants01 Sep 202001:09:49
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Brian Duffy talks about his podcast ‘Duffified Live’ and the challenge to get chefs on a podcast.
  • He shares his thoughts about the pandemic situation and its impact on the hospitality industry.
  • Chef Brian Duffy focuses most of his time at the moment on his restaurant Ardmore in Philadelphia.
  • After culinary school in Philadelphia and working at fine dinning restaurants, Chef Brian Duffy has chosen a career in casual restaurants. 
  • Chef Brian Duffy explains his passion for burger, pizza, and barbecue restaurant business.
  • He made a business out of it with his consultancy group called ‘Duffified experience Group’.
  • Chef Brian Duffy shares the top three mistakes all new restaurants and bar owners make.
  • He is a TV personality with the show ‘Bar Rescue’ and ‘Open Night’.
  • Chef Brian Duffy describes the seven day process every new restaurant/chef owner needs to take gearing up to opening night.
  • He shares a Duffified style burger recipe that every food enthusiast should try.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes in Philadelphia

Conversation with Chef Jose Garces – Competitive Mindset

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What is the ‘Duffified Burger’ recipe?

My number one thing is to play around with different cuts of meat. A burger is going to be good with fat. It’s just that simple. So to be able to get something like a really good brisket is great and grind it up and make your own patties. If you really want to make a great burger, start grinding your own patties. Get into finding a good grind of meat or a couple of different types of meat. I love a burger that had a small amount, 10 to 15%, of lamb, because I think that lamb has an unbelievable flavor that just is enhanced by that grilling, by that searing, by that caramelization, that Mayard reaction that is happening in the browning process.
The other thing for me that is awesome, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese. Go ahead and find yourself great cheeses. I love a Tillamook cheddar, really good, super sharp cheddar. I love a Cooper American. The melting process of it, the creaminess, the umami that happens in your mouth with that burger, that cheese, that bun, that lettuce, that tomato, that onion, that to me, is a perfect burger. And then an unbelievable egg. A dippy egg on top which is a fully firm white with a runny center, but it’s got a fried crushed to the outside of it.
I made a Duffified burger on the menu. It is a basted burger where we actually seared the burger. And then we basted it with butter, garlic, olive oil and Rosemary, like you would have with a steak and it’s an awesome burger.

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At the beginning of the pandemic, I created a program called ‘staff meal’, which you could order for $10 and it would feed three people every time somebody placed an order.

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I started to go into these smaller locations. I loved the creativity that I had, and I could put food on a plate for the regular person that was upscale, but I didn’t have to charge the same prices as a lot of the fine dining places.

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My passion plays in the casual restaurant realm. That’s what I love to do. I love to put the chef technique into everything that we do because I utilize my culinary degree every single day.

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We are in a casual concept now. People want to be able to go into more of a gastropub-style setting. Go in, sit down, on a weekly basis as opposed to a super high-end fine dining restaurant you’re only going to, maybe, two times a year.

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Chefs are a tough group of people. We literally have pivoted, we have adjusted, we’ve readjusted. The positive that’s going to come out of this is that we’re going to have a stronger restaurant community.

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Do you know what the number one common denominator is of every restaurant that we did on the show [‘Opening Night’]? None one of them, not one of them had recipes.

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The top 3 mistakes that you see that restaurant and bar owners make are one, micromanagement, two, would have to be owners really trying to do stuff that benefits the owner, as opposed to the guests, and three is that the owners are just nonexistent.

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Tim Hollingsworth – Celebrating Luxury and Mundane Food18 Aug 202001:06:06
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Tim Hollingsworth shares how they are navigating through this current situation of the pandemic.
  • It is a heavy cost to reopen a restaurant. Everybody needs to rethink what they’re doing with the restrictions.
  • Chef Tim Hollingsworth describes restaurant Otium as a more comfortable version of fine dining: both a neighborhood and a special occasions restaurant.
  • He explains how could adapt his menu at Otium for a to-go-menu.
  • Chef Tim Hollingsworth shares what is type of food brings him comfort at home.
  • He talks about his recent partnership with Blue Apron and how different it is to create a menu for them than creating a menu for his restaurants or meals at home.
  • Chef Tim Hollingsworth explains the reasons why he selected Los Angeles to launch his first restaurant.
  • He describes the thirteen years he has spent at the French Laundry and what he has learned from his mentor, Chef Thomas Keller.
  • Chef Tim Hollingsworth talks about his engagement in social media and especially their YouTube channel.
  • We talk about his approach to create a new dish.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes in Los Angeles

Brad Miller – Amazing Food Trucks

Alison Trent – The Future is Collaboration

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners The top cookbooks that inspired Chef Tim Hollingsworth?
  1. The French Laundry Cookbook.
  2. Great Chefs of France.
  3. The Flavor Bible.
  4. I think people should buy books in different genres and kind of exhaust them a little bit. So whether it be I’m into Indian cooking and you pick out five Indian cook books and you sort of read through them and learn from them and make a few dishes in each and see the differences. Learn about a type of cuisine at that moment. 
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For a lot of the restaurants, it is time to really rethink the model of a restaurant is today.

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This goes against what I do for a living to a certain extent, but, it’s very important for people to eat at home together and have nice meals. You’ve seen a lot of restaurants pivot and offer those offerings to their guests.

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We’ve seen that takeout game definitely stepped up by some of my peers that have really executed great quality products and meals.

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Blue Apron offers the ability to get in front of people and encourage them to cook at home.

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What you’re looking for is designing food that is going to challenged people to a certain extent. Introduce them to new flavors that maybe they haven’t been exposed to before.

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When you start at the French Laundry, it’s a very tough environment. You are not there for a job, you’re there to get better every single day.

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The number one lesson that I have learned from Chef Thomas Keller is the constant push and drive and that nothing is ever perfect, and second, his ability to help develop chefs versus just cooks.

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Charlotte Voisey – The Exciting Life of a Brand Ambassador04 Aug 202000:49:40
What we covered in this episode with Brand Ambassador Charlotte Voisey
  • Charlotte Voisey introduces William Grant & Sons, global supplier of spirits.
  •  She works with all the ambassadors on all of William Grant & Sons’ brands. Their job is to make people fall in love with the company’s brands such as Hendrick’s Gin or Glenfiddich  Scotch or Balvenie Scotch.
  • Charlotte Voisey’s role is to search for people whose personality fit those brands so that they can really bring them to life for people and extend the brand into human interaction. 
  • A good Brand Ambassador needs to have the ability to truly connect with people, and that’s often through charisma, it’s through interesting personality, it’s through having the confidence to be a great presenter in a room. 
  • Charlotte Voisey says that the events that Brand Ambassadors create could be a study on techniques, a talk on different trends that are happening in the industry, or what’s happening in different geographical areas of the world about trends in cocktails.
  • Brand Ambassador is a wonderful job and it’s an incredible experience. There’s a lot of travel and you have access to experiences that most people will never see. The catch is that you are always on!
  • Charlotte Voisey explains the process how to become a Brand Ambassador.
  • We talk about cocktail making and about Charlotte Voisey’s approach to cocktails.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast.
Links to other episodes with bartenders or bar owners

Conversation with Flavien Desoblin from the Brandy Library in NYC

Episode #1 with Jesse Vida

Conversation with Angel Teta from Portland in episode #4

Episode #62 with Bob Peters from Charlotte, NC

Conversation with Brand Ambassador Charlotte Voisey in episode #50

Episode #36 with Beau du Bois from San Diego, CA

Conversation with Ryan Burk, Head Cider Maker at Angry Orchard

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What cocktails can I make with Monkey Shoulder Scotch?

Monkey Shoulder is a blended scotch, but the whole premise around Monkey Shoulder is that it’s made for mixing. So it’s not a traditional scotch that you sit down and sip neat. It is designed to be mixed in cocktails. For Monkey Shoulder, what we want to do is push the idea of scotch in cocktails, as extreme as possible to get this message across. We suggest to come up with an overarching idea of making a scotch Tiki cocktail, for example, or a scotch cocktail with tropical flavors, something you wouldn’t normally expect. That’s the goal, right? It has to be something that looks like a rum drink. That can be served by the pool. It could be blended, it could be with crushed ice. You might find it in a Tiki bar. And then you work backwards to fit in Monkey Shoulder. Then, you would then come bring in different elements. Like big tropical flavors such as fresh pineapple. You could add orgeat simple syrup instead of just a regular sugar. Start from that. Ask yourself what are you trying to achieve? How does it need to taste and how does the temperature need to be? How does it need to look? And then you work backwards rather than looking at Monkey Shoulder, like a scotch, and then thinking about scotch cocktails.

How travels inspire your cocktail creations ?

Last year I was lucky enough to visit both Columbia and Costa Rica. And in both places, we went to visit a coffee plantation and, I drink coffee regularly. It’s not a new ingredient to me and I’ve even used it in drinks before, but when you actually learn the whole process of how coffee grows, the aromas of the coffee flower, how the coffee berries open, how they are processed, and then experiencing coffee tasting like a cupping. I was just open in terms of the different flavors of coffee and then how they can be balanced in a drink, for maybe a more citrusy side or a spicy side or a fruity side. So that was a really great experience, which is unforgettable because I was literally in nature, in the coffee plantations scene and breathing in, and enjoying the aromas. And then you learn about the production. Coffee for me, after that trip just exploded with opportunities for cocktails.

Cocktail recipe with Nixta Licor de Elote
  • 1 ½ oz Monkey Shoulder Scotch Whisky
  • ¾ oz Nixta – Licor de Elote (new Mexican corn liquor)
  • ¾ oz Sweetened Corn water
  • 1 oz Fresh lemon juice
  • Combine ingredients and shake very well
  • Strain into a coupe glass prepared with a half rim of tajin spice
  • Garnish with micro cilantro and an edible flower from The Chef’s Garden
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A good Brand Ambassador has the ability to truly connect with people, and that’s often through charisma, it’s through interesting personality, it’s through having the confidence to be a great presenter in a room.

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Everything you do, anytime you leave your house and you’re interacting with people in a way you are representing your brand and the company you work for.

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It’s really important to find a brand that you truly love and admire and a brand that has values that align with yours.

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The part about my job I do love the most is the travels. I have been so fortunate to travel the world, experience people and cultures that I probably never would have seen before. It’s just such an enriching way to live life and learn.

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When you become a brand ambassador, everything changes, there is no routine. No two days are the same. No two weeks are the same. Everything is different.

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When you’re a bartender working in a bar, you have the bar family, you have your regular guests. So there’s a lot of things that I miss about bartending.

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When you are creating a cocktail it’s an overarching flavor combination that you have in mind or you’re working towards. And then within that, there’s the theme of balancing.

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Bartenders love to work with gin because it’s the original spirit of the cocktail. And it’s so versatile in cocktails.

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Be careful about the trend of making cocktails just for Instagram, rather than the quality of flavor and the opportunity to pair with food for the guests.

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Michael Gulotta – Asian Inspired Cuisine with Louisiana Pantry21 Jul 202001:02:53
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Michael Gulotta explains the reasons why he shut down early March his restaurants in New Orleans at the start of the pandemic.
  • He shares how different the impact of this pandemic is compared the situation caused by the hurricane Katrina  back in 2005.
  • Chef Michael Gulotta describes his different restaurant concepts: MOPHO, MAYPOP, Tana, and 
  • MOPHO is a restaurant that is a New Orleans neighborhood spot first, but inspired by Vietnamese cuisine. 
  • Chef Michael Gulotta grew up with a lot of Vietnamese friends and he loved the way their families took the hardy dishes of New Orleans and how they brighten them with, with all of ginger, lemon grass and lime leaves.
  • He describes how the food at MOPHO evolved through the years. As they say, it is not a Vietnamese restaurant. They are a New Orleans restaurant inspired by Vietnamese cuisine.
  • Our food is an evolution of a traditional cuisine. We’re trying to evolve the traditional Vietnamese cuisine here in New Orleans.
  • The cuisine at MAYPOP melds the Mekong Delta with the Mississippi Delta. So it pulls from all of my training, pasta making and charcuterie from Chef Michael Gulotta’s time in Northern Italy and in Germany, but then it blends in with all of the Mekong Delta.
  • At MAYPOP there’s Laotian cuisine, there’s Thai cuisine, there’s Vietnamese cuisine. 
  • Chef Michael Gulotta explains how the trip that he took with his Chef de Cuisine Paul Chell to Southeast Asia influenced some of the dishes at his restaurants.
  • Early on in his career, he spent time in Northern Italy and in Germany.  About the same time that he worked for Chef John Besh.  Chef Michael Gulotta revisit his time spent in Europe and what he learned from it.
  • He shares his time at restaurant August wit Chef John Besh.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcasts.
Links to other episodes in New Orleans.

Listen to my conversation with Chef Rebecca Wilcomb

Link to Chef Michael Gulotta’s Asian Curry recipe.

Click on this link to download the 3 pagers with the recipe and additional information on how to add some Asian influence in your cooking. 

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners How do you get inspired to cook?

I think there’s so many facets. There’s so many different ways for a dish to come about. I have never been able to settle on a single way because I try to keep things seasonal. Sometimes it’s me sitting down just with whatever. My local farmers will send me their produce lists and I’ll try to go through there and figure out what to do. But also sometimes I’ll eat something at a friend’s restaurant or out, travel and eat something. And I’m like, wow, this inspires me to do my own take on this. Sometimes it is a food memory. Like I’ll remember something that I’ve had and I’m like, man, I really love this dish when I had it. I think we should do a play on that at the restaurant. But also a lot of that is tempered with what customers want. The customer has to crave what you’re putting on the plate. The customer has to be excited about it. And so a lot of that comes into play too. Sometimes I based dishes off of what I think the customer wants. And then I add my inspiration to it. There’s a whole lot of different ways to attack and they’re not always the same. I want my team to have input. So a lot of times I put it up to the team, like, what are y’all interested in right now? What’s, what’s exciting to you. And then we would all collaborate.

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All we cared about was the customers, which is kind of backward. You have to care about your employees too.

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I started just building a pantry with Vietnamese ingredients and started making new Orleans dishes with those Vietnamese ingredients.

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We already know how to do it big and lose money. Can we do it small and make money?

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SXSW 2024 Panel: Immigrant Flavors Reshape America09 Apr 2024

This episode is the recording of the SXSW 2024 panel discussion I moderated with local chefs in Austin at a live SXSW event called Global Bites, Local Delights: How Immigrant Flavors Are Shaping the U.S. Food Scene. I’m joined by Chef Tavel Bristol-Joseph from Emmer & Rye Hospitality Group, Chef Edgar Rico from Nixta Taqueria, and Chef Simone Tong from Zoe Tong.

You’ll hear how global flavors are making their mark on American cuisine, influenced by talented chefs with roots from Guyana, Mexico, and China. You’ll learn how these chefs are adapting classical dishes from around the world to the local ingredients available in Austin. You’ll also hear about the important community role restaurants play and how these restaurants are overcoming food stereotypes.

What you’ll learn from the SXSW 2024 panel discussion
  • The diverse roots of these chefs 4:03
  • The cultural mosaic of food in America  5:59
  • How an ancient grain tells the story of its history 6:56
  • Infusing food with meaning through staff experiences 8:03
  • The history of La Milpa farming in Oaxaca
  • Food as a love letter 10:00
  • The difference between sharing and showcasing your culture 11:21
  • Unique ingredients from Guyana 12:02
  • The freedom in ownership 12:37
  • Fusing the unique tapestry of many cultures into culinary art 14:14
  • The importance of locality in Chinese culture 15:48
  • How culture shapes the creative process 16:34
  • Tasting stories about culture on a plate 17:15
  • The most sentimental dish on the menu at Nixta 17:39
  • Why you won’t find Peking Duck on the menu at Zoe Tong  20:28
  • The beauty of Texan bok choy 23:14
  • Knowing when to source locally and when to import ingredients 24:09
  • Exploring the diversity of the Central Valley 25:54
  • Bridging cultures through fusion 28:20
  • Turning a challenge into a worthy goal 30:16
    Simone’s biggest struggle in the kitchen 31:30
  • Battling the American stereotypes of Chinese food 32:42
  • Breaking down a $9 taco in Austin 33:44
  • Meaningful cooking and the insecurities that come up 36:44
  • Preparing for Broadway, every night 38:13
  • Being an emotional versus a physical chef 38:56
  • The role of restaurants as cultural hubs 41:58
  • Rico’s ‘Free Fridge” Program in Austin 42:49
  • The impact of buying local on the economy 44:54
  • Seeing Americans embrace Chinese food culture 46:38
  • One Chinese Texan hybrid dish you’ll find at Zoe Tong 49:08
  • Particularly challenging dishes for a Texas audience 50:07
  • Getting staff to get behind the style of food they make 54:52
  • Storytelling in the kitchen through deep diving into a dish 55:29


I’d like to share a potential educational resource, “Conversations Behind the Kitchen Door”, my new book that features dialogues with accomplished culinary leaders from various backgrounds and cultures. It delves into the future of culinary creativity and the hospitality industry, drawing from insights of a restaurant-industry-focused podcast, ‘flavors unknown”. It includes perspectives from renowned chefs and local professionals, making it a valuable resource for those interested in building a career in the culinary industry.

Get the book here! Links to other Panel Discussions with chefs

Don’t miss out on the chance to hear from these talented chefs and gain insight into the world of culinary techniques. Check out the links below for more conversations during panel discussions.

Panel StarChefs in Philadelphia 2024

Panel about Pizza

Panel StarChefs in Austin 2023

Panel StarChefs New England

Panel StarChefs Portland

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Leadership – What Every Senior Executive Can Learn From Top Chefs07 Jul 202000:41:24

This conversation about leadership and “What Every Senior Executives Can Learn From Top Chefs” with Chef Andre Natera should have taken place at the SXSW CMO Clubhouse in Austin, TX back in March.  Obviously, with the pandemic situation the event was canceled and we recorded our discussion about leadership as an episode for my podcast “flavors unknown”.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Andre Natera starts the conversation with an overview  of his career that led him to be the executive Chef at the Fairmont in Austin in Texas. He manages directly and indirectly about 150 people.
  • “Awake and Ready!” means we hare here, we are focus, and be ready for what is going to come at you today.
  • The first aspect of leadership in the kitchen is about discipline and consistency.
  • Leadership is about motivating your teams, offering them opportunities, setting goals, and giving them a sense of purpose.
  • The third element of leadership is mentorship. Everything is designed to push people our of their comfort zone and help them overcome obstacles that they are facing in their career.
  • Creating the framework in the environment where people can be inspired is another aspect of leadership for Chef Andre Natera.
  • In our discussion we focused on how Chefs are leading creative teams.
  • The fifth critical aspect of leadership is the hiring process. How do you place people in the right position and a position for future success?
  • What are the keys to developing the next generation of leaders in this industry?
  •  Having a common purpose is key for breaking down silos and encourage collaboration.
  • Series of rapid-fire questions.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes in Austin

Conversation with 3 Chefs in Austin (Chef Andre Natera, Chef Kevin Fink, and Chef Fiore Tedesco) – Vol 1

Conversation with 3 Chefs in Austin (Chef Andre Natera, Chef Kevin Fink, and Chef Fiore Tedesco) – Vol 2

Chef Fiore Tedesco – L’Oca D’Oro

Chef Michael Fojtasek – Olamaie


Chef André Natera
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Submitted questions from podcast listeners How to develop future leaders?
  1. Be a good example for the next generation of leaders.
  2. Develop them. Mentor them. Spend time with them. Coach them. And you also need to give them room to make mistakes and learn from their mistakes.
  3. Challenge them and hold them accountable, allow them to fail, hold them accountable for their failures, make sure they’re learning from their failures. Push them out of their comfort zone and continue to develop them and not allow them to become complacent.
  4. Allow them to lead, allow them to get in front of people, push them to speak publicly, push them to make tough decisions. And even when they’re not ready, but sometimes just doing it will start to build their confidence.
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When we talk about discipline in the workplace, it’s the discipline to do the right things that are good for the customer and that are good for the rest of your team.

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Creating challenges for people is probably one of the most difficult things that you could do.

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Instilling a sense of purpose in people I think is important. Everyone needs a purpose at work and they need parameters and goals in which to strive for.

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Think differently and be the exception to the rule.

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People that ask for the opportunities would be surprised about how many doors open for them simply by asking.

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I give people the framework in an environment where they can be inspired.

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I want to turn down the noise and have so much consistency that my team could really focus on what’s important, in my case that’s food.

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Learning from mistakes sometimes is the best education.

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COVID-19 Prompts Two NJ Chefs to Pivot Business23 Jun 202000:56:21
What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Leia Gaccione and Chef Sam Freund describe their dining concepts.
  • South + Pine American Eatery in Morristown, NJ and  at Central + Main American Eatery in Madison, NJ for Leia.
  • White Birch in Flanders, NJ and Slamwich Scratch Kitchen in Madison, NJ for Sam.
  • Leia is famous for her burgers! 
  • They both share their reactions when the pandemic hit their business and how they came up with a game plan to stay open and implement curbside pick-ups menus.
  • They listened to what their customers or the people from their communities wanted.
  • Chef Leia Gaccione even started offering groceries and created the South + Pine Market.
  • “The milestone that pivot so quickly, it was like the fear of losing everything”, says Leia.
  • “The saddest thing was to let people go and you built these relationships and you can only keep so many people. At the end of the day, this is a business”, says Sam.
  • They downsized their menus and tested new options and they will keep some of them in their future menus.
  • Chef Leia Gaccione set-up special menus “Fri-Yay” (Fish Fry Fridays) and Sammie Saturdays with a special sandwich every Saturday, and on Sundays they do their Sunday Supper Series.
  • Chef Sam Freund wanted to see what food people were craving. They got that word comfort. So, they did fried chicken!
  • They leverage social media to stay in contact with their customers.
  • A series of rapid-fire questions
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast


Submitted questions from podcast listeners What is your go to comfort food?

Chef Leia Gaccione: “what dishes bring me comfort? Oh my goodness. Well, fried chicken, I think is a good one. Mac and cheese or pasta. If I’m like having a bad day and I need something to make me feel better. It’s always like some type of pasta, which actually I don’t have any pasta on the menu right now. We do have Mac and cheese on the menu. Comfort food to me is always like extremely indulgent. So I try to not dive too much into that. Another thing for me, that’s comfort food is like, it sounds so terrible, but like I grew up eating those packet ramen noodles”.

Chef Sam Freund: “as a fellow Italian, there’s nothing wrong with a beautiful Spaghetti and Meatballs. That’s probably one of my most comforting dish, and also fried chicken. You took this food, this high end food all the time. It’s just like, it’s hard to eat all the time too. So, the one thing that actually brings me joy on a daily basis and really brings me home is cereal and whole milk. I mean, there’s nothing better than a huge, massive bowl of cereals. And I’m talking me personally, I could eat a whole box in one sitting and I’ve done it several times. So my whole thing is thatI don’t eat the sugar stuff, I am a big Raisin Bran lover!”

Best Burger recipe?

Chef Sam Freund: “I have a little seasoning that I make. It’s a brown fennel seed, that are toasted. Salt, pepper, and dried thyme. Season it like that, and then sear it up. And then I’m very simple. I’m a huge Swiss guy. So, I use in Gruyere cheese. Lettuce, tomato. Now, if you were a huge fan of Slamwich restaurant, we used to make this red onion jam, it brings a sweet tart to the burgers, and balance. You could even Google a recipe for red onion jam, but that pretty much sums up my burger. Add mayo and mustard.”

Chef Leia Gaccione: “For me, I love to toss the greens in a vinaigrette. I feel like the acid wakes up the burger because the beef is so rich and fatty that it cuts through it. And it also brightens the whole thing up. So, I would say that for me, it’s definitely put a vinaigrette on there. For the sauce: French onion dip aioli! For the bread:maybe it’s on an English muffin that is toasted. Maybe it’s on brioche, nice and soft and buttery. Or it is on a Kaiser roll so that you could get a nice little crunch on the outside, but it’s holding everything on the inside.

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When you put your whole life savings into your business. And that it could be taken away from you so quickly, you have to be able to think on your feet and you have to be able to make quick decisions.

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The milestone that pivot so quickly, it was like the fear of losing everything.

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You don’t really have time to think it’s more of a reaction. You got to give it a chance and give yourself that opportunity to keep going.

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The saddest thing was to let people go and you built these relationships and you can only keep so many people. At the end of the day, this is a business.

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Other than the healthcare industry, restaurants are probably the most sanitary places with the most sanitary practices that you could find.

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The success of our businesses is in our customer’s hands. People really need to understand that and keep doing what they’re doing, because if they weren’t, I don’t know if I would still be here today.

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I switched up the menu up every week. I would do some Asian influence and I would do Spanish influence. Every week we changed it up.

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Chris Cosentino – Inspired by Local Culinary Heritage09 Jun 202001:02:56

Chef Chris Cosentino says: “you can’t create future unless you understand history. If there’s not a grounding in history, then it just doesn’t make sense. And it’s also easier to draw from history than it is to just make shit up!”

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Chris Cosentino shares his thoughts about the situation created by COVID-19 and wonder what the future might bring but one thing is certain is that hospitality will have to reinvent itself. 
  • Chris Cosentino describes the four restaurant concepts: Cockscomb in San Francisco, Acacia House in Nappa Valley, Jackrabbit in Portland, OR, and Rosalie in Houston.
  • Each concept is different but based on its own historical aspect.
  • Cockscomb is based on the Gold Rush and the influx of large concentration of immigrants from all over the globe.
  • Acacia House is based on all the origins of grapes from foreign countries to the Valley.
  • Jackrabbit is based on people moving there because of lumbering. The food is very artisanal.
  • Rosalie is American Italian, related to Chef Chris Cosentino’s great grandmother who immigrated from Italy.
  • Chef Chris Cosentino mentions that he doesn’t really have a process for his creative approach. He doesn’t like to overthink everything. It starts with a seasonal product and ultimately it should be based off something historical.
  • Talking about creativity versus technique, Chef Chris Cosentino says that because Chefs are trade people, ultimately everything is based on technique.
  • Patience is gone because everybody’s so hooked up to their phones and their computers and to what’s next. 
  • Chef Chris Cosentino says that there is a million techniques out there and million ways to do things. And ultimately Chefs are just riding in the backs of thousands of grandma’s before them.
  • Talking about the new generation of cooks, Chef Chris Cosentino wonder how do you get somebody to be excited to do the same task over and over again until it is beautiful and they want to make like that every time.
  •  Chef Cosentino talks about No Kid Hungry and that today because of the pandemic one kid out of four are suffering from malnutrition.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
  • Rapid-fire questions.
Links to other episodes in San Francisco

Chef Kim Alter – Nightbird


Pasta recipe with broccoli

To me when people are cooking at home, unless they’re baking recipes or guidelines, not everybody has the same ingredients that restaurants have. Everybody has different markets and different seasons, and it’s really about adapting to what’s available in their moment and in their place.
Then it’s really about learning to think on your feet and know what flavors work together. So, something very simple as broccoli. You know, people think of broccoli as like this green tree that you get a giant wedge of it on a plate at like a steakhouse. But there’s so many varieties of broccoli. There’s broccoli de Cicco, there’s broccolini, there’s broccoli rapini, there’s sweet broccoli. Then, you have all these other broccoli’s, there’s arugula rabe, which is a broccoli. You have all these like sprouting broccolis purple sprouting broccoli. Then it’s such a simple thing as taking a penne pasta, and in the pan you have very basic things, you need garlic, you need olive oil, you need chili flakes, lemon zest, lemon juice, and you can use broccoli, but you chop it, you peel the stems and you chop it up and you start by cooking the broccoli stems and then you feed in the garlic and then you start adding your pasta to it. Once you add your pasta, then you add pasta water, then you add olive oil. You add the broccoli tops, which are the soft tender bits that cook really quickly. So it’s really about understanding a product, then it boils down to timing and being prepared in advance and having all the stuff cut properly.

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The restaurant industry as a whole will change. For starters, you’re not going to see people smiling anymore because they’re going to be wearing masks on their faces.

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We are Trade people. So ultimately, everything’s based on technique!

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Patience is gone because everybody’s so hooked up to their phones and their computers and to what’s next.

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Remember, we’re here to make people happy and if you let your ego get in your own way, you’ll lose.

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There are thousands of French grandmas who have cooked before me that will cook French food better than I ever will.

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Salumi is about mastering patience, mathematics, and techniques.

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We’ve chosen a career where we’ve signed an oath to take care of people. That’s the hospitality business.

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Matthieu Cabon – A Passion for Bread26 May 202000:50:09
What we covered in this episode
  • Baker Matthieu Cabon believes that artisan bread is popular today because of an evolution in taste and people are tired of white bread.
  • The main difference between industrial bread and artisan bread in “TIME”, says Matthieu Cabon.
  •  Between bakers, we judge ourselves with the baguette and the croissant, but personally my favorite bread to taste would be an artisan country loaf.
  • Matthieu Cabon says that the main difference between the bread preference in France and in the US is cultural.  American bread is soft (like in Asia), and French people like their bread overcooked.
  • The nice contrast between the crust and the soft inside of the bread comes from the humid atmosphere in the professional oven that allow the dough to rise one last time in the oven.
  • Matthieu Cabon talks about his youth in Brittany, France, and what made him decide to become a baker.
  • The dough is made with three ingredients – flour, salt, and water. But a lot of parameters impact the flavors of the bread – the outside temperature, the atmospheric pressure, the quality of the water, and the type of flour.
  • Matthieu Cabon worked at Joel Robuchon at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas as head baker.
  • Then he became the chef baker of the France Pavilion designed by Paul Bocuse at Disney’s Epcot Center.
  • Finally, he became a business partner with his friend Otto Sanchez and opened a French bakery in Houston called Magnol.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/matthieu_cabon
Links to other episodes in Houston

Chef Chris Shepherd – UB Preserv

Chef Drake Leonards – Eunice


Submitted questions from podcast listeners The 7 step process of bread making

1. First you scale the ingredients.
2. Then, you mix the ingredients. You can mix them in one shot or mix them in different steps.
3. You can let the dough rest between mixing for the first fermentation.
4. Then you will divide, reshape.
5. Let it rest again.
Then you will shape it,
6. Then you are ready to proof it (second fermentation).
7. And finally you will bake it.

For the sandwich bread you will do this process in about an hour before the oven.
For a sourdough bread you can easily go to over 24 hours sometime 72 hours.

Croissant Croque Monsieur Recipe

The best way to use leftover croissant s from the day before.
1. Start by opening your croissants in half with a knife without separating them completely.
2. Bechamel sauce preparation: melt the butter in a saucepan, add flour to it and little by little, with a whisk, add milk (the quantities are to your liking). Leave to thicken over low heat, stirring constantly. Add salt, black pepper, and nutmeg.
3. As soon as your béchamel is ready, melt the cheese and spread it inside the croissants. Add a slice of rolled ham, then more béchamel and grated cheese.
4. Put in the oven at 350 ° f for 20 min while monitoring.

What type of bread for what type of food?

Bread and food pairing:
– The baguette is good for sandwiches
– The country bread or the sourdough bread, I like when it is combined with a deep flavor, like cured meat for example, like a nice dry sausage, you want to enjoy the nice deep flavor on the bread as well.
– We avoid the contrast for some cheese for example. I like cheese with baguettes because that way I can really taste the cheese and not the bread. If the bread is too sour, you will have a wrong combination of flavors in your mouth. And if you really buy the cheese for the cheese, I will eat it with the baguette.

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The real baker follows the dough and not the reverse. If you are in a rush somehow the dough is going to make you pay the next day.

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You can always go back to your dream, but an opportunity, you take it or you leave it, as it might not come back.

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The two critical aspects of bread baking at home are temperature and time.

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A Dutch oven, to me right now, it’s the easiest tool to use at home for bread making and you can really get nice results, a nice crunchy and shiny crust. To me that’s the tool best yet.

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Farmer Lee Jones – Celebrate Mother Nature’s Seasons12 May 202001:04:17

Farmer Lee Jones from The Chef’s Garden says “We are going to create a whole entire generation of gardeners because once they garden as a child and they learn how fun that is, they understand that the carrot comes from the soil and when they can go with mom and dad and harvest that and bring it in and cook it, and then eat it and realize how good it is and they have a connection with where the food’s coming from and how it’s grown and how much work it takes to grow it. We’ve got a generation of gardeners!”

What we covered in this episode
  • Farmer Lee Jones says that, with the COVID-19 pandemic, they are even more focusing on health and food safety at the farm.
  • The current situation affected them in a grand way. Over the last 37 years,  hundred percent of their revenue has come from working directly with chefs throughout the United States and internationally. 
  •  Farmer Lee Jones explains that the farm is in an ideal location. It is situated 2.9 miles inland from Lake Erie and Lake Erie is the shallowest of all the great lakes and it’s also the warmest, and the soil is all old Lake bottom. 
  • In the early eighties, after a very devastating hailstorm that wiped out all the crops, his parents lost the farm.
  • They started back in farmer’s market. Farmer lee jones was around 20 years old at that time.
  • They met a local Chef who educated them about growing vegetables without chemicals and told them that they would be enough Chefs in America that would support them to grow vegetables with great flavor.
  • The second Chef was Jean Louis Paladin. He helped them to build their network with Chefs like Daniel Boulud, Thomas Keller,  Alain Ducasse, and Jean-Georges Vongerichten.
  • Farmer Lee Jones says that what they have heard from chefs over the last 37 years is that flavor is the most important. Flavor, flavor, flavor. And that’s really what they have based every decision on was the flavor, the integrity of the product, and how it’s grown. 
  •  With the pandemic, The Chef’s Garden pivoted their business to online orders and deliveries. 
  • You can order a box of vegetables, herbs, and blossoms to be delivered at your doorsteps at https://www.chefs-garden.com/products/home-delivery
  • Healthy soil = healthy plants = healthy food for people. 
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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What is the best type of farming?

It is our personal belief, says Farmer Lee Jones from The Chef’s Garden,  that God designed a system far superior to anything we can fake out chemically or synthetically. The way that we’re farming [in the US] chemically and commercially today is much like our Western culture of medicine. Once we get sick, then a doctor prescribes medicine to treat the symptom. The method of farming that we’re trying to do today is more like the Eastern culture. The Eastern culture is, get the body in balance to defend against the disease in the first place. So we have a sane healthy soil, healthy vegetables, and healthy people. We do the soil analysis based on the deficiencies that we find within the soil. Then we plant crop specific. This is what’s really cool based on the deficiency we plant cover crops. Different types of plants will accept different types of energy from the sun, buckwheat, Clover, vetch, barley. We even have a 17 variety cover crop mix that we use to give us a, it would be like, like us taking a multivitamin, the plants except different types of energy from the sun, so based on the deficiency in the soil, you plant crops specific. You let that land sit fallow and let the plants in and if you can visualize the leaves of that plant as antenna or receptacles, they accept the energy through the leaves into the stems, then down to the roots and then into the soil. Then the next year when we plant the turnip or the beat or the carrot or the radish or the zucchini or whatever it happens to be, it picks that back up and when we eat it, it builds our immune system. 

What is the Culinary Vegetable Institute?

The Culinary Vegetable Institute’s initial vision was a place for the foremost chefs in the country to be able to come and to do experimentation and research and to be able to play. It’s an R&D lab. We have relationships with culinary equipment companies that have the best of the best and the newest ideas. Normally we have about 600 visiting chefs a year. The idea was originally for chefs to be able to come. It’s evolved into a place where we do corporate R&D and corporate retreats. So corporations come and bring their guests. As you know, the, what most of them usually did for many years was go out to Greystone and then toward the Napa Valley. There’s only so many times you want to do that. And so this really gives corporations an alternative to be able to come in. It’s kind of nice, they have a captive audience because you know, you’re out in the farm and so they’re not getting wandering off into a bar or some other thing. They’re focused on really building the relationships. It’s about relationship building and learning different ways to be able to use ingredients. 

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For my Mom’s generation, it was all about convenience. The convenience thing was great, but I think it went too far, and we took our eye off, in America, of where the food was coming from.

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The Chefs didn’t necessarily know what varieties to grow, but what they were telling us was about flavor, quality, and consistency.

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What we’ve heard from chefs over the last 37 years is that flavor is the most important. The second is, flavor, and third is flavor. Flavor, flavor, flavor. And that’s really what we’ve based every decision on was the flavor, the integrity of the product, and how it’s grown.

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We pick the vegetables even before daylight because we like to harvest very early in the morning at the lowest respiration rate of the day.

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We’re the flee on the end of the tail at the end of the dog. We’re very small, 350 acres, but to make it even smaller, 250 acres of that in any one year is harvesting the sun’s energy.

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Our carrots are testing 300 times higher in beta carotene than the USDA average.

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Roy Yamaguchi – How to Beautify Hawaiian Flavors28 Apr 202000:52:24

Chef Roy Yamaguchi is the father of the Hawaii Fusion cooking style. In 2018 he celebrated the 30 year Anniversary of Roy’s restaurants. In 2020, he will celebrate the 10 year Anniversary of the Hawaii Food and Wine Festival. He was the co-founder back in 2010. Chef Roy Yamaguchi explains to us what Hawaii fusion is and how you came to create it.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Roy Yamaguchi was born in Japan. His father was from Hawaii, his grandfather lived on Maui, and his mother was from Okinawa.
  • He grew up on an US military base in Japan.
  • Every other summer he spent time with his family in Hawaii and Chef Roy Yamaguchi discovered the flavors from Hawaii. 
  • Chef Roy Yamaguchi remembers two important dishes that he grew up with: Chicken Hekka and Beef Stew that his father would turn into a Japanese curry.
  • His father would take them to the Tomashiro fish market in Honolulu.
  • Chef Roy Yamaguchi’s inspiration to become a cook came from his father and his school counselor.
  • He went to the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park in New York to learn the foundation of cooking.
  • Out of school, Chef Roy Yamaguchi want to work at a French restaurant and went to Escoffier and L’Hermitage in Los Angeles.
  • Chef Roy Yamaguchi first restaurant  was 385 North  where he started his own style which at that time was French-Japanese. 
  • in 1988 Chef Roy Yamaguchi created Roy’s restaurant that not only served the flavors of his past, which was French and Japanese but he wanted to add the local ingredients from Hawaii.
  • 2020 is the 10 year Anniversary of the Hawaii Food and Wine Festival that Chef Roy Yamaguchi created with Chef Alan Wong.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 
Links to other episodes in Hawaii

Chef Jean Marie Josselin – JO2


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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What is Roy Yamaguchi’s swordfish recipe?

Whether it would be a piece of fish, like a “opakapaka” or whether it be “moi” or whether it be kind of a reef fish, I look at the ingredients and then I try to figure out, how can I best present that. Whether it be steamed or, seared or whether it be grilled depending on the fat and the leanness of the fish itself. And then at the same time, do I want it more refreshing or do I want it as an appetizer and serve raw or do I want it cooked and more meaty? A good example might be, the local, swordfish. It’s called “shutome”. I try to look for the smaller eye, meaning that I look for the filets from the swordfish to be not a huge piece of swordfish where the loin could be five, six, seven, eight inches in diameter. Maybe look for a swordfish that’s smaller, that may have a three or four inch diameter and use that as a presentation. I want to make a steak. So some of those thought process comes out like that. And then do I want to do a hard sear or a soft sear or do I want to put a crust on it, or no crust, whether it would be a macadamia nut crust and then salt and pepper, then cooked all the way or maybe a medium rare. I want a sauce that’s a lot lighter, it could be a vinaigrette, utilizing, you know, maybe, the local lilikoi (passion fruit) or I want more of a richer sauce that may have some cream in it or maybe Chardonnay or do I want a more of a hardy sauce to make it completely different for someone to eat it with a red wine. So making a sauce made with demi-glace, or could decide for a Chinese style where, you know, steaming it and serving it with a kind of soy braised sauce like ginger and garlic and green onions that’s cooked with soy and little bit of sweetness, maybe Palm sugar.

What is Roy Yamaguchi wood smoked Szechuan style baby back pork ribs recipe?

When I was growing up, my father used to make baby back ribs. He would make it with a kind of a vinegary thing. So he would make it with black pepper and he would get garlic, salt, butter and red wine vinegar, and marinate the pork ribs and then he would grill it and then he would steam it, make it soft. That was stuck to my mind. But I said to myself I want a rib that’s more Asian. By putting the hoisin sauce and oyster sauce and soy sauce, ginger, garlic, green onions, add a little sugar, maybe I can make this marinade that I can call it my own and make it Asian. That’s the process I went through. Getting that marinade made and then I said to myself I really want to make it kind of like stand out a little bit more. I’m going to smoke the ribs first with kiawe wood, that’s a local wood, local tree here. So getting kind of the smokiness in there and then rub it with this marinade, make it Asian. And then I would grill it again, so it’s twice cooked, to get more flavor in there. So, and that’s how that was developed.

What are Roy Yamaguchi’s suggestions how to use hearts of palm?

I like working with Hearts of Palm, I either shave them, and fry them to make these little crisps or either I shave them and use them for a salad or whether I shave them and use them as a topping or whether I puree them and use them instead of a creamy potatoes or risotto. You may use a creamy Hearts of Palm as a bed to plate other ingredients.


Chef Jean-Marie Josselin

If you are interested in discovering more about the restaurant scene in Hawaii, check out this previous episode by clicking on the picture on the left:   Chef Jean-Marie Josselin from JO2 in Kapaa, Kauai.


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The most important thing is to build that [cooking] foundation because that foundation is actually the brick that you’re going to be able to stand on and continue to build your career on.

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In 1987 I moved to Hawaii because I wanted a restaurant in Hawaii because I felt that that’s my upbringing. There is a lot of Asian cultures here.

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I wanted a restaurant that not only served the flavors of my past, which was French and Japanese but I wanted to add the local ingredients from Hawaii.

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I started to add a lot more of the Filipino, Korean, Chinese, and Vietnamese flavors into what I was currently doing with the Japanese-French cooking. So I really had a global kind of flair but yet utilizing the ingredients from Hawaii.

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Not everything has to be conceptually crazy, you know, with 4 steps or anything. Something simple is what I really enjoy.

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COVID-19: Top Chefs Respond14 Apr 202000:54:24

COVID-19 is impacting the US economy and has a devastating effect on Chefs and the restaurant industry.
Early on, people started to cancel their dinner plans, then they favored grocery versus take-out and finally a lot of restaurants were ordered to close and many closed because of no income.
I have three guests today:
Naomi Pomeroy, based in Portland, Oregon, has helped define Portland as one of America’s most culinarily creative cities with her restaurant, Beast.
Ian Boden, located at the foothills of the beautiful Appalachian Mountains, has contributed, with his restaurant The Shack in Staunton, Virginia, to the revival of the Southern cuisine.
Gabriel Kreuther has proven, with his 2 Michelin star restaurant in Manhattan, that the market for fine dining remains at a high level.
I have three top Chefs invited them on a panel discussion about COVID-19 as they represent different regions of the US and different restaurant styles.

What we covered in this episode COVID-19 impact on restaurants
  • When COVID-19 started, their restaurant reservations drop off first by 40% and finally by 70%.
  • As they saw reservations dropping off, some restaurant made the call to switch their model and try to pivot to do take out and deliveries.
  • Chef Ian Boden says: “First, we followed the protocols. If you enter the restaurant, wash your hands. When you leave the restaurant, put on gloves to bring stuff to people at the curbside, sanitize your car if you’re doing deliveries. The reality is that we’re just spinning wheels. The restaurant wasn’t paying its bills. The staff wasn’t making money. And the anxiety and stress of the whole thing we’re bearing down on all of us.”
  • Chef Gabriel Kreuther says: “The hardest thing was to make those personal phone calls to people that worked with me for twenty, fifteen, ten, eight years, that we are forced to close and temporarily have to lay them off.”
COVID-19 impact beyond restaurants
  • Chef Naomi Pomeroy: “So many restaurants are connected to so many purveyors. We all have a community network that goes way beyond even just our family. One of the biggest and most difficult things is knowing that the chain is pretty long of people that are getting affected by this.”
  • Chef Ian Boden: “The supply chain is huge. We also deal with reps. Virginia is a wine country, and all of those local wineries are struggling now.
  • Chef Gabriel Kreuther: “There are also so many people that are struggling to get an every day meal on the table. So in New York City, all the restaurants worked with Harvest City and other charities to handle all the food.”
Thoughts on early stage of government support
  • The three Chefs reacts to Chef David Chang’s statement in the NY Times “Without government intervention, there will be no service industry in the future.”
  • On the current (mid-March 2020) support from the government about COVID-19, the three Chefs stated that it was not even close to sufficient.
  • Chef Naomi Pomeroy: “It’s really like a small Band-Aid. There is a strong argument to be made for the fact that CIVID-19 is physical damage and that insurances should be accountable for that. Another thing that we are fighting for is tax breaks.”
  • “We’re trying to educate people in Washington, educate the general public that if you want to have these unique and special restaurants around, we have to have a bailout.”
  • Chef Gabriel Kreuther: “These closings are not made by choice, they are mandated. And I believe that when the government comes and mandates you to close, they have to have a plan to make you survive.”
  • The three top Chefs agree: “It’s about leadership from the top down. And, if we don’t have leadership on the federal level, the local level is useless.Then at the same time if it’s not coming from the top, top-down, then maybe it needs to come from our representatives in Congress and our Senators.”
Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 


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The restaurant business, it’s a family. We are spending more time with the people who work with us than with our own family. And It’s really heartbreaking to see the way everything went down and with no end in sight.

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The chain of distribution for restaurants is long. And we have really committed relationships with these people. And I don’t want to see some small farmers not able to survive.

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If there is no government intervention, the fall out will be huge.

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People believe that because you are a Chef you must be rolling in the dough. The truth is that no matter how big or small your operation is, nobody is getting rich.

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If a business-minded person looked at our [restaurant] business models, they would all say, hey, you should shut down. This is not good business.

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We’re trying to educate people in Washington, educate the general public that if you want to have these unique and special restaurants around, we have to have a bailout.

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These closings that we have not by choice, they are mandated. And I believe that when the government comes and mandates you to close, they have to have a plan to make you survive.

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Restaurants are the DNA, the social fabric of a neighborhood, of society.

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You don’t prepare for anything like this [COVID-19] as an industry. You prepare for this as a country.

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Restaurants are made for going out and having a good time and doing celebrations. Meeting people. It’s the social fabric. I believe that there is a place for us in the future to do what we do.

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Beast restaurant in Portland, OR

The Shack restaurant in Staunton, VA

Gabriel Kreuther restaurant in Manhattan

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Drake Leonards – The Road Back to his Roots31 Mar 202000:47:23

Chef Drake Leonards: “Wherever I went I learned how to cook. And I learned a little bit more about myself as well. I meet new people and was exposed to new things. This journey is not just about cooking. You take inspiration from all over. Just being exposed to new things and being around people with different backgrounds, it starts to rub off on you. And you never know where it’s going to come in to play in your life.”

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Drake Leonards describes the food scene in Houston as dynamic from fine dining to casual dining.
  • Every culture is represented in Houston from the Golf Coast to Louisiana.
  • Chef Drake Leonards remembers the sense of community from his small town in Louisiana where he grew up and this is something that he tries to take with him today to his restaurant. 
  • Everyone cooks in this small town and he was fortunate to eat really well and go to the smoke shop and the smokehouse and get the andouille sausage.
  • Chef Drake Leonards moved to Queens, NY after college and was exposed to different cultures. He worked at Café Boulud.
  • He then decided to discover the roots of his Louisiana heritage going to France. He spent two years in Europe.
  • Chef Drake Leonards opened his restaurant Eunice in Houston in 2018.
  • Eunice has a seasonally-inspired menus marring European influences and Louisiana heritage with ingredients from the Gulf Coast.
  • His creative process is something that has to make sense: seasonal + local + inspiration from somewhere + tie back to Houston + collaboration.
  • Chef Drake Leonards is obsessed with Texas BBQ, and Tex-Mex.
  •  5 rapid-fire questions
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast
Links to other episodes in Houston

Chef Chris Shepherd – UB Preserv

Baker Matthieu Cabon – Magnol French Baking


Submitted questions from podcast listeners What does Chef Drake Leonards put in his gumbo recipe?

That was something that I grew up with. And it’s found in little pockets in Louisiana. I think gumbo is something that is different from home to home, from region to region, from parish to parish. And so every gumbo a little bit different. Every gumbo is unique. The cook makes it unique. By the way they do it. But we serve ours with a little bit of potato salad. I like mine with a nice dark brew. And I like it a little thicker. I like to add a little smoked meat sausage, and Tasso, and a little chicken. I love a chicken and sausage gumbo. It’s what I grew up with. I love a great seafood gumbo as well. Serve it with just a little bit of potato salad right inside. It is something unique. At the restaurant, we take the skin of our chicken and make little chicken cracklings and serve that with a little side of chicken cracklings and potato salad. In your home you can make the potato salad. I like just a little touch of horseradish on the potato salad. And you can crush up little pork crackling, like chicharrones from these great markets throughout the country. It just gives you a little crunch. With saltine crackers is the way that we eat it as well, growing up at home with potato salad and our rice.

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Houston reminds me very much of what New Orleans and I think Louisiana were a couple of hundred years ago, with a huge number of people who come in and bring their cuisine, culture and way of life. And it just kind of blends here in Houston beautifully.

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I love the hospitality of a restaurant and being around people. And so having a passion for food and having a passion for people, and being a Chef it’s kind of fits naturally together.

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My colleagues at Café Boulud were young, hungry, ambitious cooks that made me be better because they expected more out of me than I expected out of myself.

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I always think that in our restaurant, if we can surround ourselves with great people, it’s gonna make us all become a little bit better. It’s going to make our team better. It’s gonna make myself better. And it just kind of we push each other.

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I learned was that Chefs have taken, what they knew and grew up with and just refined it a little bit.

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France and Germany were great place to go to understand the origins of what we’re doing now and how it became Cajun or how it became Creole. I felt like I had to get to the source.

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New York really gave me the confidence to know that the world was so much bigger than I could ever imagine. It just fueled that desire to really be able to see what was out there.

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There’s never a perfect time for anything. There’s never enough money. There’s never enough of anything. You just have to do it.

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Chef Sam Freund from White Birch in Flanders, NJ

If you liked the current episode with Chef Drake Leonards, you might like these two previous episodes:

  • Chef Sam Freund from White Birch in Flanders, NJ
  • Chef Jonathan Zaragoza from Birreria Zaragoza in Chicago, IL

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Brad Miller – Amazing Food Trucks!17 Mar 202000:57:42

Chef Brad Miller is currently the Chef and Co-Owner at Inn of the Seventh Ray restaurant. He is also the corporate chef and tastemaker for Five Star Senior Living, one of the country’s most prestigious retirement companies. Brad is a much sought-after television personality, appearing on such channels as VH1, NBC, FOX, Food Network, Cooking Channel, PBS, Tasted Channel and Hallmark Channel. Brad currently stars in Food Truck Nation on Cooking Channel, airing now.

What we covered in this episode with chef Brad Miller
  • Chef Brad Miller grew up in his Dad’s butcher shop outside of Chicago.
  • He discovered that he liked cooking in a class at school.
    Chef Brad Miller went to culinary school in Arizona and cooked in various resorts. He then moved to L.A and staged at a few places.
  • He is the executive Chef and partner at the Inn of the Seven Ray in Topenga, CA, next to Malibu.
  • The restaurant was voted the most romantic restaurant in LA and the 7th in the country.
  • The cuisine style is contemporary American leveraging both luxury ingredients and ingredients from local farms.
  • Chef Brad Miller says that his creative process is the same than with every chef. It starts with the produce.
  • Already having cooked from food memories, now his creative process starts at the market, from tasting on site.
    Amazing to me these food truck. The level of cooking is amazing.
  • Chef Brad Miller shares his experience of being on the Season 3 of Hell’s Kitchen with Chef Gordon Ramsey.
    He is the host and producer on the Cooking Channel of Food Truck Nation.
  • They picked these food trucks for the show from around the country because they are the best of the best.
  • For him the top 6 cities for Food Trucks in the country are Portland, Austin, L.A., Charlotte, Denver, Minneapolis
  • The mission of the show is to demonstrate that people are really good cooks and they’re doing it off a food truck.
  • Chef Brad Miller expresses his opinion about people writing reviews on social media platforms.
  • He got inspired by culture and why they eat that food. And figure out different techniques and method I can apply and use to keep it different and fun.
  • Science play a huge part in his cooking and when he is with someone filming.
  • Truffles and persimmons are his latest obsession.
    Fake hustle is Chef Brad Miller top Pet Peeves in the kitchen.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcasts http://bit.ly/Chef_Brad_Miller
Links to other episodes in Los Angeles area

Chef Alison Trent – Ysabel

Links to other podcast episodes with chefs who competed in food TV shows

Conversation with Chef Brad Miller in episode #40 – Amazing Food Trucks!

Episode #64 with Chef Silvia Barban – Her Lifelong Italian Culinary Influences

Conversation with Chef Elizabeth Falkner in episode #63 – Elizabeth Falkner Continues to Challenge the Status Quo

Episode #56 with Chef Lamar Moore – Striving for Greatness

Conversation with Chef Tim Hollingsworth in episode #51 – Celebrating Luxury and Mundane Food

Episode #52 with Chef Brian Duffy – A Gigantic Appetite for Casual Restaurants

Conversation with Chef Edward Lee in episode #21 – The Marco Polo of American Cuisine

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Submitted questions from podcast listeners What are the top three elements that make a food truck successful?
  • Having a cool food truck wrapped in fancy colors
  • Focusing on one type of food and becoming great at it.
  • Serving hand held food that you can walk around with.
Chef Brad Miller’s burger recipe

It’s not something that you’re going to do all the time, but it’s definitely a mix that’s like really great and makes it like, very umami, it makes your burger kind of taste meatier and kind of things of that nature has like a it’s basically a couple of ingredients. It’s take your burger meat. I would do a chuck steak and short rib. I do a 50 50 chuck and short rib grind, cut into cubes. Don’t freeze it, but I get really cold and then grind it and then mix in smoked paprika, onion powder, garlic powder, and here’s the kicker, a little bit of miso powder. Like when you’re gonna make miso soup with these little packets, just a little bit of each. Not too much. You don’t want to overpower the flavor. And salt, of course. But these little ingredients really bring out the flavor of the piece. It tastes really beefy. The smokiness of the paprika almost makes it taste aged a little bit. For a pound of burger meat, I would say, a sprinkle of smoked paprika, a sprinkling of all these things, you know, like more than a sprinkle, I’d say like two sprinkles. But it really brings out the beefiness of your meat and it makes you have so much flavor and also have the salt in there. It will make a juicy, really juicy burger. You get a really good bite and it doesn’t matter what you put on top of that. You can just put cheese in a bun and it’s gonna be delicious. I would say Kewpie mayonnaise, Japanese mayo. That is the best mayonnaise in the world. I consider that and Duke’s. Duke’s mayonnaise and Kewpie Mayo. I would say just that burger, medium-rare, two pieces of American cheese. Not cheddar, American cheese. Just because for me, even though cheddar has more flavor, American cheese just gives you that gooeyness, that old school memory of cheese. So I would do two pieces of American cheese, the burger, just brioche buns if you want, just mayonnaise, and about three pickles.

Chef Brad Miller recipe with persimmons

I take the persimmons that I quarter them and I take the middle out and then I put them in a sous-vide bag with really good olive oil and a little bit of salt. And then I compress them and I let them sit overnight. They go on a plate with whipped ricotta. More really nice olive oil. We have a pomegranate gel. Fresh pomegranate seeds. And then a little bit of shiso. So we’ve got a little shiso all over it. Toasted Marcana almonds. A couple drops of lemon oil and then Maldon salt. And it’s one of those things that when you serve it, you will, think it’s gonna be a dessert. But it’s like a starter and it’s just so tasty. And when you bite into those persimmons, they melt in your mouth and you got that pomegranate gel with them. And it just really is an amazing dish.

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By nature, cooks and chefs are just curious. I am just curious what other chefs are doing and why they’re doing it, and what is their purpose for doing it

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Being a chef is putting the guests first and really putting something out there that you’re really proud of. And it’s going to go and nurture people’s children.

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I’ve learned one thing trying to produce TV is that every idea has already been thought of. There are no original ideas.

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The great thing about food trucks is that it’s a great soundboard to trial your food before you open a brick and mortar restaurant.

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You don’t have to be a classically trained chef to have a food truck.

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In 50 years from now, cooking is going to be so different because all the health laws.

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Nobody wants to be a Chef anymore. Cooks don’t want to be Chefs and kids don’t want to be cooks. Everybody kind of just wants to have the fame of it and the funny thing is they absolutely can do that nowadays.

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Jamie Bissonnette – Unconstrained Creativity03 Mar 202000:49:11

Jamie Bissonnette is the James Beard Award—winning chef and partner of Boston favorites Coppa, an Italian enoteca, Toro, the Barcelona-style tapas bar, and Little Donkey, Cambridge’s eclectic neighborhood restaurant.  In fall 2013, Bissonnette and co-chef and partner Ken Oringer brought Toro to New York City, and received rave reviews from outlets like The New York Times and New York Magazine. The Little Donkey concept was expanded to Bangkok, Thailand during 2019.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Jamie Bissonnette travels around the world and brings back ideas for Toro and Little Donkey, inspired by specific ways of cooking tortilla Espagnola in Madrid or unique honey in Dubai.
  • “Spain is such an innovative culinary capital of the world, but it also excels at its simplicity”.
  •  Toro is inspired by Spain. Chef Jamie Bissonnette and his partner Ken Oringer took inspirations from different part of Spain when they travel there.
  • Coppa is an Italian Enoteca. Handmade pasta and handmade charcuterie. 
  • Linked Donkey in Cambridge, MA and Bangkok is small plates from all over the place. 
  • Chef Jamie Bissonnette explains how they expended Toro from Boston to NYC and then to Dubai.
  • He goes over the reasons why in Bangkok they revamped their concept from Toro to Little Donkey.
  • Chef Jamie Bissonnette loves Indian food and Middle-Eastern food. He talks about the variety that exist with green cardamom.
  • “A lot of times young cooks, when they don’t understand intrinsically that culture of food, they think that they need to have too many ingredients to make something more interesting”.  Spain is such an innovative culinary capital of the world, but it also excels at its simplicity. 
  • “The best creative outlet for me is to just start cooking. Don’t overthink it. Sitting in front of a notebook and writing things down is great. But I will have more impact with things if you. just put me in the kitchen, give me a bunch of ingredients, and say start cooking”, says Chef Jamie Bissonnette.
  • To learn more about Chef Jamie Bissonnette, listen to the full episode!
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast 


Submitted questions from podcast listeners Where does Chef Jamie Bissonnette find inspiration?

You’re going to find your inspiration from a lot of different places. It can be from a song. It could be from an article that you’re reading, a cookbook that you’re looking at, a dinner that you’ve had and opening up your mind to realize when something strikes you to try to remember it and do something with it is important. But for me, I find that the best creative outlet is to just start cooking. Don’t overthink it. Sitting in front of a notebook and writing things down is great, but I will have more impact with things you just put me in the kitchen, give me a bunch of ingredients, and say start cooking! I become way more creative than I would be if I was just looking for recipes and reading books and looking at pictures and my notes from travel.

What is Jamie Bissonnette’s Tortilla Española recipe with chips?

I always have eggs in the house that one of my favorite foods. I don’t always have potato chips in the house because I eat them too much. But you can get potato chips if you live in the city. You can get potato chips within three blocks, pretty much anywhere in any city you live in. Whether it’s a bodega store. Guess what? So my one of my favorite tortillas to make is I make tortillas española. But instead of using potatoes cooked in olive oil and onions, I use some sort of either just regular straight-up salted potato chips, sometimes salt and vinegar, potato chips, barbecue potato chips do not work. Don’t try that at home. They taste terrible. And I make a tortilla where I add they add to the eggs some potato chips at the beginning. Before I do my first flip, I add more potato chips so it gets the bottom side on the first flip gets a nice like very, very like golden-brown crust from the chips that you can slide it right if you use an individual pack of potato chips and you only use three or four eggs. You can slide it right back into the potato chip bag and you’ve got tortilla española on the go.

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When we travel, we leave no stone unturned. We go down every alley, we go into every store, we look at everything, we get inspired by everything that we see.

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Spain is such an innovative culinary capital of the world, but it also excels at its simplicity.

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A lot of times young cooks, when they don’t understand intrinsically that culture of food, they think that they need to have too many ingredients to make something more interesting.

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I always say don’t cook the recipe like you have to follow it exactly. It’s like music. The first time you want to play somebody else’s song, you follow the sheet music and then you figure it out.

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The thing that I love about Spanish culture is, because it’s so innovative, that you can really mix any kind of flavors together and you can still have that same spirit of delicious, impactful bites like tapas and pinchos.

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Ken and I are like little kids when we start talking about food. So as long as we can get the business stuff out of the way in the morning, by the afternoon, all we wanted to do is taste food, eat food and make people happy.

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We know what and how we do something. But knowing why we do is what makes it authentic.

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You don’t have to be traditional and authentic all the time. You can be innovative if you can. Use your own whimsy. But as long as you do it in a way that is educated and that you’re not just throwing things together.

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The best creative outlet for me is to just start cooking. Don’t overthink it. Just put me in the kitchen, give me a bunch of ingredients, and say start cooking.

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Inside ‘The Dish’ with Author Andrew Friedman26 Mar 202401:11:42

Today I’m talking to Author Andrew Friedman. His most recent book is called The Dish: The Lives and Labor Behind One Plate of Food. It takes a deep dive into one Chicago kitchen to explore the nature of our food system and the professionals who plate and prepare the food we eat. He’s also the host of the podcast “Andrew Talks to Chefs”.
You’ll hear about the inspiration for his book and the journey it took him on to understand the labor and love that went into a single dish. You’ll learn how the restaurant industry has evolved, and the changes it might face in the future. You’ll also hear his thoughts on the rising food costs and how industry professionals are managing.

What you’ll learn from Andrew Friedman
  • Andrew Friedman’s inspiration for the book 3:12
  • Why he chose to focus on a restaurant in Chicago 5:4
  • The dish Andrew Friedman chose to highlight in the book 9:08
  • The reason he wanted to involve young chefs 14:17
  • His biggest discovery from researching the process 17:02
  • The true hero’s of the food chain 17:53
  • The process of researching the book 20:32
  • Shared characteristics between farmers and chefs 20:50
  • How the industry has changed since the 90s 21:39
  • Why the old school kitchen was more entertaining to write about 22:59
  • How the pandemic changed the way chefs operate 25:03
  • The new nature of collaboration 26:07
  • How famous chefs are changing the restaurant experience 26:44
  • One unique collaborative fundraising project 27:40
  • The changing role of chefs in popular culture 28:49
  • A surprising chef who doesn’t consider his food an art 30:50
  • Why cooking is a scientific endeavor 31:51
  • One topic that rarely gets talked about 32:28
  • How eating has been transformed over the centuries 33:11
  • Observing the menu planning process as an outsider 36:50
  • Designing dishes in two different restaurant worlds 39:43
  • How technology might affect the brainstorming process 42:22
  • Andrew Friedman’s goal for readers of the book 45:29
  • What he does every time he leaves a restaurant 45:50
  • Understanding the cost of your meal 46:44
  • What every chef fears 49:14
  • Where the industry has gone wrong in terms of pricing 50:09
  • How he chooses guests for his podcast 52:12
  • Keeping listeners engaged and the conversation interesting 53:58
  • The most interesting guest he’s had on the show 56:36
  • His creative process 59:27
  • A food tour through New York 1:03:30
  • His guilty pleasure food 1:05:16
  • Cookbooks that have inspired him 1:06:18


I’d like to share a potential educational resource, “Conversations Behind the Kitchen Door”, my new book that features dialogues with accomplished culinary leaders from various backgrounds and cultures. It delves into the future of culinary creativity and the hospitality industry, drawing from insights of a restaurant-industry-focused podcast, ‘flavors unknown”. It includes perspectives from renowned chefs and local professionals, making it a valuable resource for those interested in building a career in the culinary industry.

Get the book here! Links to most downloaded episodes (click on any picture to listen to the episode)
Chef Sheldon Simeon
Chef Andy Doubrava
Chef Chris Kajioka
Chef Jacques Pepin


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Mark Welker – Set Goals and Make Them Happen18 Feb 202000:58:19

Mark Welker is the executive pastry chef at “Make it Nice” group which includes Eleven Madison Park and NoMad (New York, L.A., Las Vegas, and London). He was raised in Indiana, went to culinary school in Kentucky, and attended the former French Culinary Institute in NYC. Then you went to France “because you wanted to understand where pastry making was born”. Talking about his position today, Executive Pastry Chef Mark Welker says “It’s a very collaborative team. When we talk about things we want to accomplish, everyone’s voice counts and everyone’s voice matters. I want people to be the best versions of themselves and I have to help them to get there, help them make good decisions”.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Mark Welker went to France a few years after culinary school because he “wanted to understand where pastry making was born”. It was one of his first goals in life.
  • Since he started professionally, he always has been focused on his career. 
  • Setting goals and delivering on those goals are important for Chef Mark Welker. This applies to travel abroad as well.
  • He recommends traveling for people who want to enhance their career and just become a better person. 
  • Chef Mark Welker today’s goals are less personal and more aligned with the company culture.
  • Coming back from France Chef Mark Welker staged at WD-50.
  • After helping friends in St Louis, Chef Mark Welker staged at Eleven Madison Park and he has been now more than 10 years in the group (recorded in 2020).
  • Chef Mark Welker talks about becoming a Four Stars NY Times restaurant, being on the top 50 San Pellegrino list,  and becoming a three Michelin Star restaurant.
  • What does it mean to be the first restaurant in the world?
  • About Nomad, we discussed how to create menus that are specific to each location but still keep the brand identity.
  • It takes a long time before you understand your style or the style of the restaurant that you’re you’re creating desserts for.
  • Listen to the full conversation on this page or on any phone podcast apps like Apple Podcasts or Spotify.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast http://bit.ly/PastryChef_Mark_Welker
Links to other episodes in New York City

Chef David Burke – Restaurateur

Executive Chef Gabriel Kreuther

The Brandy Library with owner Flavien Desoblin

Pastry Chef Sam Mason – Odd Fellows

Chef Trigg Brown – Win Son


Submitted questions from podcast listeners Which country is best for chefs?

I think there are so many locations, especially with the 50 best restaurants list out there, they highlight so many different restaurants from all over the world and so many of these restaurants have different philosophies. So if you want to focus on fermentation and foraging and things like that, there are restaurants out there that specialize in that, like, you know, a lot of the Nordic restaurants. I think some of the restaurants in Brazil and South America really do well with fermentation. If you’re interested in Mexican cuisine and Mexican spices, then you should probably travel south of the border. I think that there are restaurants all over the world at this point time, and it doesn’t need to be a Michelin star restaurant. If you’re passionate about Thai food and you want to learn about Thai ingredients, then just go travel through Thailand. Go eat on the streets. Go to the markets, go to the wet markets, have an Airbnb, get the ingredients and cook. As long as you’re setting yourself goals. timelines, and pushing to meet those goals with a mindset of coming back and actually using what you’ve learned to better yourself and to further your career.

Which savory ingredients could be added to sweets?

In the realm of things being fermented, different koji inoculating with different things, using different homemade vinegars is a big one that really can help desserts a lot, like using kombucha techniques to make a tea. Kind of like make a fermented tea and then use that to season things.I kind of think that’s like the best. I’m not into using bacon, you know, or different meat products. I’m not really into even vegetables outside of squash or carrot. Like, I really don’t want to. I’m not I’m just not a big fan of that kind of stuff. We use a lot of vinegar for brightness. And again, it kind of lower the sweetness of the dessert.

What is Mark Welker’s apple pie recipe?

I would look at the apples first that I chose to make the pie and when I make an apple pie, I think of the different textures inside of apple pie. And I don’t like it to all be one texture. So I think that I would choose maybe three different varieties of apples. That’s where I would start, I would pick my favorite apples. And you’d want an apple that’s going to be very firm and hold up the cooking while one that’s going to have different make sweetness or acidity notes as well. You want one that kind of falls apart, they can kind of like bind it all together. But again, not having like too much moisture. And I think then there are different ways to deal with that if an apple has too much moisture. What I would do is give it a little sugar in my Calvados treatment or pick the core of your choice, rum or it could be bourbon, it could be anything you really want it to be. But I would add a little bit to the apples and I would let them soak and macerate overnight and then I would drain them, and then really kind of like get all that liquid out of it and then maybe even make a caramel with all that juice and sugar that’s leftover and then kind of just lay it on the inside.

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People should travel. It’s good to get out of the country and see how small the world is, and how small life is. It makes you think differently.

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Young people today want to learn things much faster. They want to move to the stations a lot quicker. And it’s more about resumé building to them.

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Long term goals change as you change and grow but short term goals should be very realistic. People should have a lot of them. And they should be checking them off.

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I want to hire people who want my job. We want people that are ambitious.

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Every single day we show up to work. We need to think of it like a championship game. And as a leader, you have to show up every day like you’re ready for the championship game. It starts at the top.

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We want things to look effortless on the plate. But once you eat it, you realize that the flavors, the textures, and the technique are much deeper than what you think.

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You should use sugar to season something not to like just make it sweet, not just for like an end result.

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Chris Shepherd – Sharing Food & Life Experiences04 Feb 202000:50:17

I am really pleased to have Chef Chris Shepherd of Houston, TX on the show. Chef Chris Shepherd is a James Beard Award winner and was recently named by the Robbery Report magazine as the best chef in the world. He has helped change the landscape of the Houston culinary scene since opening Underbelly in 2012.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Chris Shepherd is the most recognizable Chef in Houston, TX.
  • In 2019 he was named the Chef of the Year (in the world) by Robb Report, the luxury-lifestyle magazine based in Los Angeles.
  • Houston is known to be the most diverse city in the US. Chef Chris Shepherd describes the food scene in Houston.
  • Food takes you to local ethnic places and you get to learn from people and they learn from you. And just sharing life experiences. And that’s it’s a beautiful, beautiful thing. 
  • His cookbook “Cook like a Local” is broken into six chapters dedicated to integral ingredients of the unique Houston melting pot: fish sauce, chiles, soy, rice, spices and corn.
  • When Chef Chris Shepherd talks about “local food” he is not talking about locality of ingredient, he is talking about locality of culture. 
  • Chef Chris Shepherd says that his cookbook is a love letter to Houston, and to the US. And it’s a love letter to accepting and to start to learn and understand where we’re going as people.
  • His has an unconventional approach to the restaurant business. He opened Underbelly in 2012 and closed it in 2018 even if the business was good. 
  • With One Fifth Chef Chris Shepherd decided that with the five year lease he will have five restaurants in five years with five different concepts: year one Steakhouse, year two Romance languages (French, Spanish, and Italian), year three Mediterranean (Greek inspired), year fourvGulf Coast cuisine.
  • To learn more about our my conversation with Chef Shepherd, click on the link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcasts http://bit.ly/Chef_Chris_Shepherd

Links to other episodes in Houston

Chef Drake Leonards – Eunice

Baker Matthieu Cabon – Magnol French Baking


Submitted questions from podcast listeners How to use fish sauce?

What I learned is that there should be two ingredients in fish sauces. There should be anchovies and there should be salt. And that’s it. For a home consumer to use fish sauce make sure you are buying quality. And that’s pretty easy to do at this point. Then it’s like how do you balance something so super funky that you need something sweet, that you need something spicy, that you need something to tone it back. You need some acidic. And it’s just learning about balance.  I think fish sauce is the perfect day to inspire you to learn balance in a dish because most cooks cook with salt, pepper and maybe a little bit of lemon juice or lime juice or something on a dish. But it’s more about understanding the balance of sweetness, sour, the spice, the funk. Fish sauce is a perfect ingredient for young cooks, especially to understand their palate and to understand balance and flavors.

Where to use fish sauce?

If you are going to brines a chicken. I think for use it in a little bit of fish sauce into it gives it that “you’ll never know it is there” spice or flavor profile. It is perfect in Bolognaise sauce. You had a little bit in your Bolognaise and it just gives it that umami richness. If you aren’t looking to do predominantly a Vietnamese or Thai influenced flavor, that you’re adding just a little bit of sodium and more of that richness of fermentation and that richness of umami, that flavor contrast that you can’t find, that you can’t buy, that it’s there and you have to use these ingredients then I think for fish sauce is the absolutely perfect way to put those things in there. A little bit in a vinaigrette, a little bit in a braising.

Chef Chris Shepherd chicken wings recipe?

Caramelized fish sauce, chicken wings. Greatest thing ever. Roast the chicken wings in the oven or grill them.Then have a little sauté pan, toast a little bit of garlic, shaved garlic, add some honey or white sugar, caramelized that fish sauce, add lime juice. Toss the wings and you’re good. A few chilies in there like Sereno or Jalapeño.

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The best way to start to have a conversation is through food on the table. Then you can establish friendship conversations and learning from each other and not just talking about food all the time, but talking about life.

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Learning from people is one of the greatest things that we could possibly do. Just share stories and have conversations. It’s the easiest thing to do.

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You need to quit cooking for yourself and start cooking for the culture. You could cook free at that point.

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People love challenges. Status quo is one of the worst things for people that is trying to just sit there and do the same things over and over and over again.

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I tell people all the time that the only thing that holds you back is yourself. And that’s the honest truth. Because you have to try and push to try to learn and you’ll find inspirations anywhere and everywhere.

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Creativity is probably the most important thing, it’s about seeing things and using things and touching things. Technique is cool. But at the end of the day, it’s got to taste good.

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Beau du Bois – Listen to your Neighborhood!21 Jan 202000:44:23

Have you ever wonder how to revamp a cocktail program or how to go about reinventing a classic cocktail?  Well, in today’s episode, this is exactly what you will find out with my guest, the award-winning bar director, Beau Du Bois. You recently moved to the south of California as the new bar and spear with the creative director at Puesto in San Diego. He built is 16 years career in L.A. at the Corner Door and in Napa Valley at the three Michelin star restaurant, Meadowood.

What we covered in this episode
  • Looking back at Beau du Bois’ career, I asked him if he would build his cocktails more from the top-down or bottom up? Meaning, would he come up with an overarching flavor / theme and build the details with specific ingredients or bring individual flavors one at a time?
  • What drew him to mixology?
  • What was the motivation for creating themed cocktail menus when Beau du Bois was at Corner Door in L.A.?
  • How is it different to create a drink menu at a 3 Michelin Star restaurant?
  • Beau du Bois recently joined Puesto in San Diego. Which “road” brought him to work this Mexican restaurant?
  • How would Beau du Bois describe San Diego cocktail scene in comparison to Los Angeles and Napa?
  • Listen to the full podcast episode to learn more about designing a cocktail program, discovering his creative process, and the cocktail trends for 2020.
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast http://bit.ly/Beau_du_Bois


Submitted questions from podcast listeners How to make an old fashioned at home?

So for a twist on an Old Fashioned, I would say head to the decent liquor store in your town or down the street from your house and grab some apple brandy and grab a bottle of cognac. And let’s just do one ounce of each. Let’s get a little bit of apple cider and we’re gonna use the cider instead of water to make this simple syrup. So just equal parts there. Then just a little bit of cherry and orange bitters in there. And you’ve got a Thanksgiving Day in a glass right there.

How to Design a Successful Drink Menu?

Take your time and you want to come at it the right way.

First, you look at some of their the sales reports. Then, you look at Instagram and you start correlating the things that are already working, the flavors that are already working, the types and formats that are already working. This isn’t about ripping the rug out from underneath the program. It’s about just taking quarter turns on the things that are already doing so well and just elevating them ever so slightly so that you don’t leave those guests in the dark just because they don’t like Aloe Vera or Tamarin. It’s about this quarter turning that recipe and turning the volume up a little. So the customers will be like, “I like the old one, but this one is getting better”. And this is the trust. The trust that you earn from guests so that maybe they will come back in a month or two months and try that crazy cocktail at the bottom of the menu.

The other side of that is looking at things that really don’t work, or haven’t worked historically. And in offering something new that, again, listening to the neighborhood, you feel is going to be a success or is going to start to tell a story.

How to reinvent a classic cocktail?

In terms of reinventing the classic cocktail, let’s just go for the low hanging fruit. Let’s talk about old fashioned.

An old fashioned is just a combination of a base spirit, bitters, and sugar.

Obviously it was historically usually made with whiskey. And at a time, when bars were just beginning to have creative menus, people would come back and say, can I have the whiskey cocktail, the old fashioned way? That’s when the name was born.

When you look at those building blocks of that cocktail, whiskey, sugar, bitters, and any base spirit, there’s a lot of room to play there.

Let’s take the bourbon out. Let’s put in cognac. Or let’s take the bourbon out or the rye out, and let’s put in tequila or let’s do a split of cognac and rye.

Now for the sugar. It is just a just a vehicle for some richness, some softness of the cocktail. But that sugar is made with water, which is flavorless. It doesn’t need to be flavorless. Why don’t we just use tea or put, some fruit in that water, or infuse the sugar with some fruits and peels of various citrus.

So now you’ve already greatly changed that cocktail to something that’s a little close to a fingerprint of flavor that you were going for. But it still scratches the itch of someone who’s looking for that old fashioned.

Of course, you can play with the bitters. I mean, we live in a time where I’d be shocked if you could find the flavor that isn’t in a bitter right now. I’m sure somebody got a peanut butter bitters out there.


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If you are interested in mixology check out these two additional episodes by clicking on the respective pictures:   Jesse Vida (Episode #1)  when he was at BlackTail, NYC and Angel Teta (Episode #4) Whiskey Guardian at Angel’s Envy.


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It starts with the base spirit. Then it becomes more about the overarching flavor that I’m going for. And then it moves into the visual presentation that will elevates the guest experience.

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When it comes to building cocktails and creating cocktails, make sure that you’re listening to your neighborhood and to your guests. Your neighborhood helps you keep the bills paid. Make sure that you’re not leaving the neighborhood behind!

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Themed cocktail menus give the opportunity and the challenge of creativity. But you always have to stay one foot in the “is this viable for this business or for this neighborhood”? First, you earn the trust of your community and your demographic. And then once you have that, it’s time to innovate.

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In cocktail-food pairing, overly complimentary is where you’re using the same ingredients or similar flavors in the cocktail, in the dish. For me, that’s just too much. It’s more important to offer a little bit of contrast so that we’re helping to reset the palate.

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We live in the world of Instagram, we live in a world of pictures, and people taste with their eyes. And if you can’t evolve as a chef or a bartender and understand how to use that to your advantage, then you’re sleeping at the wheel.

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Ted Lee – Home Cook and Writer07 Jan 202001:07:51

Ted Lee from the Lee Brothers: “we grew up in Charleston, South Carolina. It’s a very particular region of the south. So we didn’t know a lot about eastern Kentucky or the panhandle of Florida. And so then this other phase of our lives, with magazines paying us to go to different regions of the south that we didn’t know. To write about them was so exciting. We learned so much because remember, we don’t have a southern grandmother. We grew up in Charleston, but neither of our parents grew up there. So we had to learn everything about southern food from somebody else’s mother or grandmother.”

What we covered in this episode
  • Ted Lee from The Lee Brothers is a home cook and a writer.
  • Him and his brother moved to Charleston, SC when he was 8 and his brother Matt 10.
  • They developed their orientation towards food during their childhood.
  •  It all started with Boiled Peanuts in Charleston, SC and the Lee Bros. Boiled Peanut Catalog.
  • They published their first cook book “Southern Cookbook” in 2006.
  • Ted Lee talks about how to write a successful cookbook?
  • The most existing cookbooks today are personal cookbook.
  • The most critical element for writing a recipe cookbook is to invest in independent recipe testing.
  • “You can make money. Usually the book sort of breaks even, but it serves every other aspect of your business.”
  • The Lee Bros. developed a cookbook writing workshop in Charleston, SC called “Cookbook Boot Camp”.
  • Ted described the 6 seminars of the curriculum: “Finding a Voice”, “Defining you Kitchen Vision”, “Keeping your Material Fresh”, “Creating a Test-Kitchen Practice”, “How you are going to Tell your Story”, and “Marketing & Publicity”.
  • We discuss about Charleston being one of the main food travel destination in the US and the food from the Low Country.
  • Ted Lee introduces their new book called “Hotbox” about catering and tells many stories linked to their experience in the catering industry.
  • Listen to the full podcast to learn more cookbook writing, the low country, and the behind the scenes of the catering business. 
  • Link to the podcast episode on Apple Podcast http://bit.ly/Ted_Lee


Submitted questions from podcast listeners How do you make pimento cheese?

The cheese in a pimento cheese is usually typically an orange-colored sharp cheddar cheese. I use a white cheddar, really aged with some age on it with seems almost crystalline structure which makes it  so delicious. I also used Poblano. The Poblano peppers are roasted and then pickled. And it is just a completely different but familiar flavor. It is like green chili pimento cheese. I use cream cheese and mayonnaise in it, which is sort of controversial. Some people only think it’s only mayonnaise, but I like the combination. There are so many different spins you can do on pimento cheese, but that one with the extra sharp cheddar and roasted pickled planters is extraordinary.

What is the difference between Low Country, Gullah, and Soul Food?

There’s a lot in common between the cuisines. You mentioned Gullah Geechee cooking, low country cooking and soul food. I would say they all have their origins in the migration of enslaved Africans to North America. That’s the origin of those things. And you can see this in a dish that’s sort of a classic low country dish like red rice. You can see the sort of connections to the West African joloff rice. It’s a huge influence.
I would say that what’s important is to get away from defining them or defining them as sort of oppositional. But finding the proximity, and especially finding a chef who can guide you through that, through their personal experience, either through a book or by meeting them.

What is the difference between a chef and a caterer?

It’s so different. Very rarely are you cooking things to order. So if you are doing a gala with six hundred people who get served filet tenderloin or lamb chops, those proteins should be seared in a deep fryer the day before. Just to get the color on them and then killed down in the walk in. And then it would be moved to the venue in a transport cabinet which, once on site, is turned into a hot box, all the food pulled from it and transformed using sterno and sheet pans into a warming oven. And so it’s a completely different practice than what restaurant chefs are used to. It’s always most plated dinners at simultaneous service. So you’re really building a kitchen that’s meant to serve out the first course. The second course and the third course, all the same plate within 15 minutes, instead of having the bell curve that a restaurant has over the course of the evening where the orders come in.

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The great thing about cookbooks is there can be all kinds of them and as long as they are of quality, and the recipes tested, they will find an audience.

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You can make money. Usually the book sort of breaks even, but it serves every other aspect of your business.

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The most exciting books that are being done today are the most personal book. The ones that really are from an accomplished cook who’s telling about how who they became resulted in the food they serve and why people love it.

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The Chefs today are more in tune with telling stories about themselves and their ancestors, where they’ve come from, where they’re going, and really situating their own kitchen practice between the past and the present and the future.

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There is no visibility because they’re working in special events catering. It’s all designed to focus attention on whoever is being celebrated. The people behind the scenes are not the story.

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Brother Luck – Embracing your Fears!24 Dec 201900:47:30

“The first time I did a Top Chef Colorado, says Chef Brother Luck from Four by Luck in Colorado Springs, that was more about anger. I was angry at myself for losing the show. And I understood why. I was disappointed in myself. Coming back for the second season and doing Top Chef, Kentucky was a decision that I probably shouldn’t have made. I was so quick to want to validate myself from losing the previous season and feeling like it was unfinished that. I went back and I wasn’t in a good mental place. And in the end, I think that’s where a lot of young chefs don’t understand, is you have to take care of your mental health.”

What we covered in this episode From depression to raising awareness for mental heath issues
  • Chef Brother Luck shares his “big lesson” after being on multiple cooking TV shows like Beat Bobby Flay, Chopped, and Last Chance Kitchen.
  • Cooking on television isn’t real. It’s entertainment. 
  • Chef Brother Luck takes us to the time when he was told “pack you knives and go!” when he lost Last Chance Kitchen.
  • The elimination from Bravo’s Top Chef was the beginning of some important life changes for Chef Brother Luck.
  •  Chef Brother Luck had a very traumatic childhood. “I never realized how much that was going to affect me as a man. I built up a lot of anger from all that pain. And you can only hold that in for so long.”
  • “And all it takes is one fracture of a scenario to break it and it’s coming out. You don’t know how to handle that. And I think that was where I was at at that point in my life when when I got kicked off Top Chef, Kentucky. Losing the show was the trigger.”
  • “That was a really hard time. And I was one of the fortunate ones to say, you know, I need help. And I want to go talk to my therapist. I need to be around people that actually care about me because I felt used at that time. And I think when you’re in a situation where you feel used or taken advantage of, you’re gonna shut down. And that’s exactly what I was doing.”
  • His therapist diagnosed him with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) about two years ago, which stemmed from experiences like the passing of his father and violence in his childhood.
  • Chef Brother Luck came to realize that sharing his story helps other chefs and cooks struggling with the same challenges.
  • “When someone’s dealing with depression or insecurities or not feeling like they belong or they’re looking for validation, the answer isn’t to ask them “are you OK?” I think the answer is to share your own story so they don’t feel alone.”
  • “I think we don’t have a labor shortage right now. We have bad leaders. So we have to change our our culture. So I think that’s where it starts.”
  • Read Chef Brother Luck’s essay about mental health and depression (link to article in the “link mentioned in this episode” section below)
From cooking for necessity to owning Four by Luck restaurant in Colorado Springs
  • “I never wanted to be a chef until they told me I was good at cooking. And that compliment is what I became hungry for. I wanted that attention. I spent my whole career chasing that approval of that male role model.”
  • Chef Brother Luck mentions the benefits of Griffith Center for Children, C-CAP, and Pro-Start programs.
  • The cuisine at Four by Luck is continuously influenced by four main providers who supply the ingredients  “The Hunter, The Gatherer, The Fisherman, The Farmer”
  • Influenced by a recent trip he made to Japan, Chef Brother Luck transcribed the love that Japan has for nature, menus celebrating the four seasons into his local region in Southern Colorado.
  • “It’s not about which ingredient is the best each season. It’s about the transformation of the ingredient from the season.”
  • For Chef Brother Luck at Four by Luck, cooking is about survival.  The story of each ingredient as it transforms through the season is what it’s about.
  • Favorite ingredients: Huitlacoche, pronounced weet-la-COH-cheh, is a fungus that grows on ears of corn, and, green chilies.
  • For Chef Brother Luck creativity happens because of techniques.
  • He describes his creative process behind the signature dish Tempura Poppers.
  • Chef Brother Luck describes the food scene in South Colorado.
  • 5 rapid-fire questions!
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I’ve had a very traumatic childhood. I never realized how much that was going to affect me as a man. I built up a lot of anger from all that pain. And you can only hold that in for so long.

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I have an addictive personality. That’s who I am. And whether it was being an addict to alcohol or drugs or for me, it’s work. So it’s easy to drown myself in the world work.

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When someone’s dealing with depression or insecurities or not feeling like they belong or they’re looking for validation, the answer isn’t to ask them “are you OK?” I think the answer is to share your own story so they don’t feel alone.

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When you watch social media, you’re watching everyone’s greatest hits. No one’s posting the bad stuff that happened to them today. They’re talking about the great stuff and we measure ourselves against that. So I think it starts from me with social media being real.

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I think we don’t have a labor shortage right now. We have bad leaders. So we have to change our culture. So I think that’s where it starts.

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For me, cooking started at a very young age out of necessity. But then it became the supplement of the male role model from the street hustler or the gangbanger to now the chef and the toques.

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I never wanted to be a chef until they told me I was good at cooking. And that compliment is what I became hungry for. I wanted that attention. I spent my whole career chasing that approval of that male role model.

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Hari Cameron – Creativity within Boundaries10 Dec 201900:52:09

“When we do the tasting menus at a(MUSE.) we asked each guest three questions. What do you love in season? Do you have any allergies or intolerances? Is there anything you’d rather stay away from? So in the restaurant, we can be doing five tasting menus and they can all be different. In my creative approach, Everything has to be technique. I’m not in a place where I can just put a radish on a plate and serve it. I have to manipulate it. The vegetables is a perfect, beautiful thing. And how can I not mess that up? How can I deliver it in its peak of flavor? And how can I presented in a way where the guests will enjoy it and really get a sense of what it is?”

What we covered in this episode
  • a(MUSE.) is Chef Hari Cameron flagship restaurant in Rehoboth Beach, DE and GrandPa Mac is a fast casual concept focusing on mac & cheese that he opened with his brother Orion Cameron.
  • a(MUSE.) = amuse-bouche + inspiration + fun
  • At GrandPa Mac they make everything from scratch and fresh pasta everyday. It has integrity and soul.
  • A(Muse) celebrate progressive Mid-Atlantic cuisine and real “farm to table” concept.
  • “I always want my food to be, no matter how progressive it is, always grounded in the mid Atlantic, but seasonal and regional.”
  • “We often speak of food from the South and New England. We think of Louisiana cuisine. But the Mid-Atlantic is sometimes overlooked as a cuisine. But I think we have a lot of history and rich heritage.”
  • Chef Hari Cameron describe the food staples from Delaware: crab, seafood,  light beer, corn, and chicken.
  • “As a modern chef, I’m taking a lot of the fat in the roux out of things. Fat is a tool for flavor. So if you’re using it, well, it’s fine. But no, back in the old days, a lot of these old recipes have a lot of flour and butter and things that aren’t necessary, things that kind of get in the way of flavor.”
  • Chef Hari Cameron explains how he had to balance his progressive mindset and interest for new techniques and new ingredients with the reality of the commercial aspect of the business. 
  •  “When we do the tasting menus at a(MUSE.) we asked each guest three questions. What do you love in season? Do you have any allergies or intolerances? Is there anything you’d rather stay away from? So in the restaurant, we can be doing five tasting menus and they can all be different.”
  • Chef Hari Cameron talks about his creative process using squash, and Channeled Whelk as an example.
  • “There needs to be technique. You have to be creative. But creativity has to happen within boundaries because if you’re creative for creative sake, you’re only going to hit a very small portion of people.”
  •  What compelled him to become a Chef. He did not find cooking, Cooking re-found him.
  • 5 rapid-fire questions! 
Chef Hari Cameron gourmet mac & cheese recipe

So you can get fresh pasta from so many different makers right now. Even if you don’t have a home extruder, it’s pretty easy to get fresh pasta. So I think you start with the pasta. If you’re using dry pasta, that’s fine. There’s a place for that as well. Next thing I think is your cheese selection. I think that you need some depth in your cheese. So using a couple of different cheeses, depending on if it’s white or yellow. I think Gruyere as some really nice nuttiness. I think Fontina adds some depth there also. Really understanding your cheeses, white cheddar of course and different ages. It’s kind of a classic. And then I don’t think flour is needed. I think that if you are a home cook and you use sour salt, it’s called sodium citrate, you can make any cheese into the perfect melting consistency. Like Velveeta. The perfect mac and cheese cheese. So you use 9 to 12 percent of that of total weight of cheese.

I think you need some acid in there. Some people use mustard as their acid, some people use an alcoholic cider. Kind of like doing a fondue play. Or I think that using a beer would be interesting. So when you can add a little acidity to help cut the fat, the mustard is nice because it adds that kind of spice as well. Tabasco is nice. Tabasco is a vinegar based hot sauce. It has that kind of brightness that you’re looking for. Nutmeg would make it more, you know, the Italian Bechamel.

Pasta is like a nicely dressed salad. You don’t want too much dressing. You want it to evenly coated, understanding the consistency of your sauce and you don’t need to bake it or you could bake it. One of the best mac and cheese you can make is Cacio e Pepe. I think that if you have some parmesan, if you have olive oil or butter, pasta, water and black pepper and a good pasta, if your emulsification technique is good, you can make it beautiful. It’s not mac and cheese, but it’s so simple.

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I always want my food to be, no matter how progressive it is, always grounded in the Mid-Atlantic, but seasonal and regional.

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We often speak of food from the South and New England. We think of Louisiana cuisine. But the Mid-Atlantic is sometimes overlooked as a cuisine. But I think we have a lot of history and rich heritage.

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As a modern chef, I’m taking a lot of the fat in the roux out of things. Fat is a tool for flavor. So if you’re using it well, it’s fine. Back in the old days, a lot of these old recipes have a lot of flour and butter that aren’t necessary, things that kind of get in the way of flavor.

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When I first opened up, I was more militaristic about the only using ingredients in our food shed. Now it’s more about sourcing the best things that I can and making the guest happy.

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I’ve only ever been in competition with myself. I feel like if I’m paying attention to other people, I’m taking the eye off of my craft and what I’m doing.

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Gabriel Kreuther – Making Customers Happy!26 Nov 201900:53:39

Chef Gabriel Kreuther with cuisine rooted in  his  Alsatian heritage, says that “the beauty [of getting 2 Michelin Stars] is the sense of teamwork, the sense of accomplishment and also the sense of making customers happy. We are in business because we love what we do, we cook, but at the end of the day, we love to cook a little bit for ourselves, and by doing so we engage with customers and make them happy. And hopefully they have a great moment with us.”

What we covered in this episode From Alsatian cuisine in France to 2 Michelin star restaurant in NYC
  • Garbriel Kreuther restaurant received in 2019 and in 2020  Two Michelin Stars. We discuss with Chef Gabriel Kreuther how he and his team felt about it. “A feeling of accomplishment for the past”
  • What is the difference between a two stars and a three stars? 
  • Looking back to his career, Chef Gabriel Kreuther reviews the key milestones that led him to get 2 Michelin stars.
  • He always wanted to be a Chef. Chef Gabriel Kreuther started to work while on vacation in the hotel from his uncle in the region of Alsace in France.
  • He became the “Meilleur Apprenti de France”. And it was for him a new start and a new thinking approach.
  • In 1988 and 1989 he took a Chef position in Washington DC. It was a turning point to him.
  • His motivation was (and still is today) to want to understand everything, understanding the “why”. 
  • Before the time of internet and easy access to information, he spent a lot of time doing research.  He always needed to feel that he was learning something.
  • He always wanted to work in [kitchen] environments that were decent, where the human person was respected.
  • Chef Gabriel Kreuther talks about his mentors Chef Jean-Georges Vongerichten and Chef Danny Meyer.
Gabriel Kreuther’s creative process
  • The food served at the 2 Michelin star Gabriel Kreuther’s restaurant is a blend of the Alsatian heritage and the modern aspects of other cultures.
  • The Chef explains the story behind his willingness to  have a relaxed atmosphere in his 2 Michelin star restaurant. 
  • Alsatian cooking is basically the rusticity and the wholeness of the German cooking mixed up with refinement and the finesse of the French cooking, Almost like a kind of fusion before anybody talked about fusion cooking.
  • Creativity around the tradition Alsatian dish: “La Tarte Flambée”. The dish is based around three basic elements: “fromage blanc”, onion, and smoked bacon on bread dough. Chef Gabriel Kreuther innovated with hens of the woods mushrooms, duck confit, or smoked salmon.
  •  For Chef Gabriel Kreuther, the creative process has many starting points: product centric, influenced by the season, travels, or it can be a challenge.
  • “You cannot have only technique and no flavor. It’s meaningless.”
  •  His management style is about coaching, mentoring and inspiring. 
  • “You really have to love what you do in order to to bring the quality on the plate and in order to do what we do, if you don’t have that genuine passion, that work is too hard for you.”
  • The Chef mentions that he always used techniques that were either very old techniques or techniques that were forgotten.
  • In the Fall of 2021, Chef Gabriel Kreuther will publish a book.
  • 5 rapid-fire questions!
Links to other episodes in New York City

Chef David Burke – Restaurateur

Pastry Chef Mark Welker – Eleven Madison Park

The Brandy Library with owner Flavien Desoblin

Pastry Chef Sam Mason – Odd Fellows

Chef Trigg Brown – Win Son

Chef Gabriel Kreuther recipe with scallops

“It depends of the quality of the scallops. But if it’s really, really beautiful ones. Yeah, I will literally tend to eat them almost as a tartare or as a ceviche. So we’ll just slice them in couple slices and season them with grape-seed oil, a little bit of olive oil, salt, pepper, chives, a few red peppers in there, a little bit of orange juice and something crunchy, I would put a little bit puffed wheat or something like that in there. Mix it. And that’s a nice little appetizer. 

I will have a little bit of green apple in it. Well, then just roast it. I will make them very simply with a couple of mushrooms. Just you can just deglaze with a little bit chicken stock or water or a little bit of white wine or lemon juice and a little bit olive oil. I will serve them literally with a nice lentil soup. But passed and not the whole lentils in it. And we’d be like a bed.”

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I always wanted to work in [kitchen] environments that were decent, where the human person was respected.

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We are walking many hours in this business, and we spending more time [in the kitchen] than we do with our families, and I think it can be fun and it can be good. It doesn’t have to be the crazy side of it.

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It takes a while for a chef to understand that it’s not only cooking that makes the experience. It’s a little bit more than that. Hospitality and how you speak, behave with the guests, and how you’ll receive them.

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I always ask myself, I don’t need to have a jacket. I don’t need to have a tie. The food won’t taste better. So why can we not get over that?

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Alsatian cooking is basically the rusticity and the wholeness of the German cooking mixed up with refinement and the finesse of the French cooking, Almost like a kind of fusion before anybody talked about fusion cooking.

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As you get older in your [Chef] career and more seasoned, you understand that the most important thing is really the flavor. And then the technique. But you cannot have only technique and no flavor. It’s meaningless.

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You want to be original and you want to come with something that is not well known and surprises people.

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Flavien Desoblin – Owner Brandy Library NYC12 Nov 201901:20:51

The very sole purpose of the Brandy Library, says Flavien Desoblin, is to show our customers whoever wants to listen, that these spirits, whether it is Cognac or bourbon or tequila are made by real people. First of all, with an amazing tradition, usually a great deal of heritage and there is so much care into the process, into the making of the spirits and where wherever they made from that they definitely deserve attention and then should we pay that to a little bit of attention. We discover a whole world of flavors.

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What we covered in this episode with owner of the Brandy Library
  • Flavien Desoblin talks about his French upbringing in Burgundy, France.
  • He moves to the US in 2000 and created the Brandy Library in Manhattan in 2004.
  • The core mission of the BL is give the letter of character back to the spirits. 
  • There is such much care in the making of the spirits that they deserve a lot of attention.
  • Where does the name Bourbon come from? Definitely there is a connection to France!
  • We talk about the official definition of straight bourbon.
  • Straight Bourbon: 51% corn, rye, malted barley, and sometimes wheat aged 2 years in charred new oak barrels – do not have to be from Kentucky to be called Bourbon but has to be produced in the US and it has to enter the cask at no more than 62.5 abc 125 proof
  • About 94% of the bourbon is made in Kentucky. What makes Kentucky ideal for bourbon whiskey production? Is it because of the limestone-filtered water? Or is it because of the weather and the variation of temperature?
  • Is older always better for bourbon?
  • What of the following has the most impact on the final bourbon taste? A specific mashbill? The yeast? The aging in barrels? Or the finish in different casks?
  • The number one is the aging in barrels with the impact of the seasons with the wood of the barrels expending and contracting.
  • What does Bottle-in-Bond means?
  • Flavien Desoblin has a strong opinion against adding drops of water to a high-proof bourbon and definitely not a good one about adding ice in a glass of bourbon.
  • Flavien Desoblin talks about moving barrels around during maturation and describes as well the Solera technique
  • Innovation via various specific cask-finish.
  • Pairing bourbon with food. Flavien advise to use a highest proof like 92-96. 
  • What is Spirits Network? The link is at the bottom of this page.
  • 5 rapid-fire questions. 
Links to other episodes in New York City

Chef David Burke – Restaurateur

Pastry Chef Mark Welker – Eleven Madison Park

Executive Chef Gabriel Kreuther

Pastry Chef Sam Mason – Odd Fellows

Episode #72 with Chef Dan Kluger from Loring Place

Conversation with Chef Silvia Barban from Brooklyn in episode #64

Episode #58 with Chef Bryce Shuman from Betony

Chef Trigg Brown – Win Son

Conversation with food critic John Mariani in episode #70

Links to other podcast episodes with awarded mixologists

Episode #1 with Jesse Vida

Conversation with Angel Teta from Portland in episode #4

Episode #62 with Bob Peters from Charlotte, NC

Conversation with Brand Ambassador Charlotte Voisey in episode #50

Episode #36 with Beau du Bois from San Diego, CA

Conversation with Ryan Burk, Head Cider Maker at Angry Orchard

Flavien Desolblin talks about Bourbon and Food pairings

“For someone some reason I am one of the very few people who love to pair a bourbon, if not cask strength, at least a higher strength 96 proof or above with Jamon Iberico de Bellota because there is so much depth, richness, and harmony in Jamon Iberico de Bellota that I think is the perfect complement. 

You can go straight at chocolate and enjoy a wide variety of chocolate milk chocolate, very dark chocolate to the bitter chocolate. And in a variety of bourbon, you know, some bourbons are drier than others and some are sweeter than others. Some have more vanilla than others. You’ll find spicy bourbons. Is it because of the rye or because it was aged for a lot longer? I’m not sure. Whichever that it is, no matter what there will be chocolate, that will be ideal for it, you can just go as simple as a praline chocolate candy and a Maker’s Mark.

Asian foods, especially when he gets a bit spicy is great with bourbon. But even without being spicy, there is the mastering of fat in the dishes that are just the right complement. And I mean, those barbecue sauces and the soy-based marinades. I mean there is so much depth in there that you find the depth in the bourbon as well while in the rye whiskey. So I like a cask strength or barrel-proof when I’m going that way.

God knows bacon is just bourbons’ best friend!

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There is such a great deal of heritage and there is so much care into the process of making spirits, where wherever they are made, that they definitely deserve our attention.

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If you found yourself in the liking of fancy red wine, naturally you’re looking for the drier style and you don’t mind the tannins and you appreciate the structure that the tannins will the red wine is the same thing for spirits.

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Should you be in contemplation, so to speak, rather than in a rush to drink it and you’ll see that the whiskey will expose itself to you.

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Innovation, no matter what is absolutely needed to keep the whiskey business going.

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Bourbon is a very natural product that you cannot temper with. So it’s a beautiful thing that you can sort of play with the bourbon by transferring it after a wise traditional maturation in brand new charred oak barrels into different casks.

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Noosh – Celebrating Eastern Mediterranean Cuisine29 Oct 201900:50:36

Noosh is a cohesive Eastern Mediterranean concept from Chefs Sayat and Laura Ozyilmaz that elevates the simplest foods from the region into a story that basically resonates with the California culture. The restaurant is named after my grandmother, says Chef Sayat. We care about cultural anchors, something that sort of rests in history and culture, and the logical place and Noosh is not just an Armenian and Greek words, but it also as a meaning. In Farsi that is part of an expression, that means cheers. 

What we covered in this episode
  • How is it to be couple in life and working as a coupe in the kitchen?
  • Chef Sayat is Armenian from Turkey and Laura is from Mexico. How are they merging these two cultures (Eastern Mediterranean and Mexican) together? 
  • Laura fell in love with the culture from Turkey way before she met Sayat.
  • They staged in Michelin star restaurants during their…honeymoon!
  • San Francisco was the right city for both of them to move to and create the food they love.
  • Noosh is a Eastern-Mediterranean restaurant concept that include food, drinks, tea, and wine. It is named after Sayat’s grandmother.
  • They have created a borderless cuisine that celebrates the whole Eastern-Mediterranean region.
  • More than 50% of the menu can be suitable for vegetarians.
  • Eastern Mediterranean cuisine has a high $ / flavor ratio says Chef Sayat.
  • Middle Eastern food is obviously a trend today but it is not reduce only to hummus!
  • The pepper paste is in the ancient Ottoman Empire is like almost the equivalent of sofrito.
  • Key spices from the area: sumac, alepo pepper, urfa biber, khmeli suneli, and blue fenugreek.
  • We talk about their creative process. It has to be seasonal, Eastern Mediterranean, and easy to execute.
  • Chef Sayat details a dish from their menu: Minty Yogurt Broth
  • There are still a lot of flavors, ingredients, and unique traditional processes and techniques.
  • Sayat and Laura share their approach to and their experience while staging before opening their own restaurant.
  • Rapid-fire questions.
Chefs Sayat and Laura Ozyilmaz Eastern Mediterranean Inspiration

I think for the people that want to try Eastern Mediterranean food or want to start cooking, the right angle is to go and explore spices, to begin with. The spices play a huge role with this cuisine. When you understand the spices and how they interact with each other you can create something amazing. I think they’ll be the right angle. The other thing, if you want to create like a special dish, of course, exploring the pantry of the eastern Mediterranean or the Ottoman Empire using them in a way that fits in with your city or your area where you live in. 

You will always buy stuff, vegetables. So this is something that you can miss. As well using the grilling  techniques, grilling kebab and grilling fish with burnt oregano.

Note from the host: have a look at Chef Laura Ozyilmaz book recommendations in the link section below.

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One of the mottos has always been “we want to serve food, that we want to eat ourselves.”

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With that idea of borderless cuisine and the value we bring by expanding it to not just food has been the biggest way we’ve elevated casual Middle Eastern foods to a higher level.

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When creating a pantry of key flavors you build the fundamental building blocks of your cuisine by identifying those key ingredients that are so important to you, not only by finding the common denominators, but also by identifying what differentiates you.

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Istanbul and Beyond: Exploring the Diverse Cuisines of Turkey

Essential Turkish Cuisine

Black Sea: Dispatches and Recipes, Through Darkness and Light

3 Chefs from Austin Question Everything15 Oct 201900:36:39

This is the second part of the recording in Austin, TX with three local Chefs. We are here at the Fairmont in Austin and I have with me around the table three chefs from Austin. Chef Kevin Fink from Emmer & Rye, Chef Fiore Tedesco from L’Oca D’Oro and Chef André Natera from The Fairmont Hotel. We are continuing the conversation on creativity and the local food scene in Austin. Just before the series of rapid-fire questions, the 3 Chefs will talk about local ingredients.

What we covered in this episode 3 Chefs in Austin Part Two Question Everything
  • Kevin Fink – “The ability to question is to me what we need to follow and the ability to seek enough knowledge to have context to this questioning. And I think that what Ferran did. I know that what Rene did. The irony of this all is, as creative as it is, it just makes sense. Question the molecular structure or why things happen or what it takes for our world to do it. They just gave us glasses to understand different elements of our world.”
  • “Don’t look for others and try and mimic what they’re doing. Question why you’re doing everything that you’re doing and make sure that everything in that makes sense because the person that is going to be the next Ferran on Rene is not going to find somebody they’re what they’re gonna do instead is they’re going to have a perspective different enough about what we do that others will be captivated by.”

Look For Soulful Experiences

  • Fiore Tedesco – “I’m constantly in seek of soulful experiences. There is something about for me seeking out these soulful intimate experiences in all the places that I go that really turned the lights on for me and helped me answer those questions.”
  • “And generally when I’m going somewhere I want I want to go where I see families laughing and where I see a bunch of people gathering in what seems like like a natural way people existing in the world. I want a window into what is not authentic but fuel’s right to them and feels normative when we go down to like fancy restaurants.”
Food Scene in Austin
  • Andre Natera – “Right now you have almost as in between chef driven interpretation of Mexican food. And I would say probably right now locally that’s what I see the most. And if I was going to open up a restaurant in Austin right now to make a lot of money what would I open. I would say Mexican cuisine is having its moment probably not in Mexico I don’t think having a Mexican food moment in Mexico but here in Austin.
  • Kevin Fink – “When it comes to food we in many ways have the Danish complex and what I mean by that is we don’t have a style of cuisine that was ours. The Austin food scene offers a tremendous amount of creativity. It offers some limitless possibilities of things. It offers a camaraderie that we have here and because it’s not so saturated and set in its ways it also offers a nimbleness to it. We have permissions here to try things that are different.”
Austin Local Ingredients
  • Herbs and flowers: Hoja Santa (sassafras), Devil’s Claws, Prickly Ash/Toothache Tree, Moringa, 
  • Citrus: Wild lime and Persian lime
  • Berries: Hackberry, Jujube dates
  • Native Cactus, Monk’s Pepper, Mesquite, Burr Oak

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If you are interested in discovering more about the Austin restaurant scene, check out these two additional episodes by clicking on the respective pictures:   Chef André Natera from the Fairmont Hotel and Chef Fiore Tedesco from L’Oca d’Oro.


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A Taste of Philly: Chef and Bartender Innovations12 Mar 202401:19:33

Today, I’m exploring A Taste of Philly with a StarChefs Rising Stars panel of talented chefs in Philadelphia. You’ll hear from Chef Michael Vincent Ferreri at Irwin’s, Chef George Madosky at Fork, Chef Yun Fuentes at Bolo, Bartender Fred Beebe at Post Haste, and Pastry Chef Amanda Rafaiski from Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Discover how their cultural heritage influences their menus, the significance of local produce, the stories behind their acclaimed venues, and their current experiments with flavors, from savory to sweet and sippable creations.

What you’ll learn from this panel discussion
  • The sauce that was the staple of the Ferreri home 3:29 
  • An American classic that Madosky grew up with 4:25 
  • The spicy, flavorful base of the Fuente’s family kitchen 4:58 
  • Beebe’s healthy food childhood 5:48 
  • The roots of Rafaiski’s love for breakfast foods 6:48 
  • Using competition as a driving force 7:31 
  • Incorporating savory ingredients into desserts 8:05 
  • Why Fuentes originally went into the food business 9:16 
  • Ferreri’s first career choice before going into the culinary trade 11:42 
  • How Rafaiski broke the mold of her rural upbringing 13:41 
  • Learning from Stephanie Izard 14:45 
  • Discovering what a little seasoning can do 16:06 
  • How Beebe channeled his interest in politics and love for food 17:39 
  • Working at Blue Hill at Stone Barns 21:12 
  • The inaccessibility of fine dining 23:00 
  • Understanding the unique flavors of Sicily 25:34 
  • A typical, low intervention Sicilian dish 27:29 
  • Expressing cultural heritage through local ingredients is a good illustration of A Taste of Philly 28:58 
  • Tasting Puerto Rican influence through the lens of Philadelphia 30:54 
  • The immigrant experience and blending in to make a name for yourself reflects A Taste of Phillyv 34:31 
  • Following traditions first, then putting your spin on a dish 37:44 
  • The importance and difficulty of consistency 39:24 
  • Sweet inspiration from local sources 40:44 
  • How Rafaiski sources ideas 43:38 
  • Why Beebe draws a hard line for sourcing ingredients 45:50 
  • Building a classic drink with modern, local influences 48:02 
  • Struggles with local sourcing for classic cocktails 50:12 
  • The magic of matching what people want with what’s available locally 52:57 
  •  Madosky ‘s culinary journey at Fork 54:41 
  • The current most popular ingredients at these Philly restaurants: A Taste of Philly 56:36 
  • The most important flavor profile of Sicilian food 1:04:00 
  • Adapting new produce to non-traditional regions 1:05:49 
  • The importance of going out and having food experiences 1:11:02 
  • What brings us together as humans that AI can’t replace 1:14:36 
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Interview with Restaurant Critic Craig Laban

Conversation with Celebrity Chef Jose Garces

Conversation with Chef Richard Landau

Interview with Chef Brian Duffy

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What Is More Important: Techniques or Creativity?01 Oct 201900:45:38

This is a very interesting episode. Techniques or Creativity? It’s very different from what we have done before. We are here at the Fairmont in Austin and I have with me around the table three chefs from Austin. Chef Kevin Fink from Emmer & Rye, Chef Fiore Tedesco from L’Oca D’Oro and Chef André Natera from The Fairmont Hotel. Thank you very much to the three of you for joining me here today. There’s going to be an interesting tasting and discussion around the table today.for

What we covered in this episode 3 Chefs in Austin Part One Chef’s introductions.
  • Kevin Fink – “I think that’s a really important part to get the best out of our community is to make sure that those that are at different levels of it are continuing to steward people you know that are still striving to get there.”
  • André Natera introduces the French dishes that were served during the podcast (in my honor!): Shellfish Plateau, Toasty Artichaud, Simple Salad, Pomme Purée, French Bread, Rotisserie Chicken, Porterhouse, and Tarte Tatin.
Why French Techniques are important in the culinary world.
  • André Natera – “In the last 15-20 years, you started to see the emergence of the American chefs kind of taking over but still rooted in the fundamentals of French cooking so [French Techniques] are always going to be important based on the techniques that we learned, based on the flavors that we grew up with.”
  • Fiore Tedesco – “When you talk about French technique and French kitchen my mind first goes to a disciplined orderly space where cleanliness and order are king . There is a universal respect for that amongst chefs and so, the cuisine that ties together those principles is amongst chefs always revered.”
  • Kevin Fink – “French food is also that oversimplification of things that are different in a region and what it is more about ideals. And this mantra that we have looked back for some of the great gastronomes of history and they came out of France. But what France is today or France was five hundred years ago are totally different.”
  • Kevin Fink – “[Being a Chef] is not just something that is a possible skill set. It is a profession.  It is a calling. And the French have made that very clear that it is a part of their culture.”
Is it still important to teach the French Techniques at Culinary Schools today?
  • Fiore Tedesco -“I sort of look at like part of the French culinary training, the specific like all the mother sauces, it’s sort of like learning trigonometry. Is it really going to be applicable to the cuisine that you create? Well, if you’re a mathematician sure, if you’re not, then maybe in some more esoteric ways you know that having the knowledge helps you be more creative and have more tools to feed your creativity.”
  • “I would say that learning [culinary techniques] in the French way, is a more prevalent or important than learning system of equally refined Italian or Japanese technique? I’d say no, I think it’s having the discipline and the refinement of that technique ingrained in you is what’s important.”
  • André Natera – “I felt like that the techniques gave me a strong foundation. If you knew how to roast properly it didn’t matter if you’re roasting a chicken or a duck or a piece of meat. You could interchange that recipe based on the technique. So I think what the French did really well is that they brought those techniques and I would say especially here in the West if you look at 90 percent of the restaurants that exist, you’re probably using those techniques. However when you get to the higher-ends of the spectrum in the higher end kitchens, then I think that you start introducing more of the Japanese and more complex techniques that are no longer French.”
  • “It’s interesting to see how times have changed in terms of fashion but the one thing that hasn’t changed is that you still need to know how to dice. You still need to know how to stay. You still need to know how to braise regardless if you’re braising something that’s Asian influenced or something that’s French or Italian. Certain things don’t change.”
So, what is more important: techniques or creativity?
  • Kevin Fink – “This is what we are doing in America today, we’re taking guidelines and we are trying to make our own artwork that we have here right now. And I believe very much how we’re craftsmen more than artists.”
  • Fiore Tedesco- “There is nothing without the techniques. Without the techniques, you have no outlet. You could be the most creative person, you could be an absolute creative genius, without that technique, you have no way to play that out. I would venture to say that creativity is the easy part.”
  • André Natera – “If I’m hiring someone, I would almost rather hire someone with more technique and less creativity.”
  •  “If you have the technique then your creativity is is limitless. You could really go far but not everyone has it. But if you don’t have the creative part, you can always fall back on the technique and the fundamentals.
  • “Delivering consistently good food and delivering consistently good service and having a consistent experience might be more important, in the restaurant world than creativity.”
  • Kevin Fink – “Serving a guest is not putting plates out, taking silverware, or pouring wine. That’s not service. Service is about hospitality.”
  • We discussed their thoughts if the new generation of cooks is less motivated than the generation before.
  • The 3 Chefs from Austin give advice to young people who want to work in that industry.
  • André Natera – “My advice to someone  [wanted to be in the industry] is to find the kitchen that you want to be and define your top line. If you want to be the next Kevin Fink, then you’ve got to work under Kevin Fink to know what that’s like. You’re not going to learn how to be that by working in a taco shop for example. But if you want to be the best taco shop you’re not going to probably learn that working in my restaurant or any of our restaurants.”
  • Techniques or Creativity? What do you think? Please leave a comment in the box at the end of the show note page. Thank you!


Chef André Natera
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If you are interested in discovering more about the Austin restaurant scene, check out these two additional episodes by clicking on the respective pictures:   Chef André Natera from the Fairmont Hotel and Chef Fiore Tedesco from L’Oca d’Oro.


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When you talk about French technique and French kitchen my mind first goes to a disciplined orderly space where cleanliness and order are king.

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[Being a Chef] is not just something that is a possible skill set. It is a profession.  It is a calling. And the French have made that very clear that it is a part of their culture.

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It’s interesting to see how times have changed in terms of fashion but the one thing that hasn’t changed is that you still need to know how to dice.

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This is what we are doing in America today, we’re taking guidelines and we are trying to make our own artwork that we have here right now. And I believe very much how we’re craftsmen more than artists.

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There is nothing without the techniques. Without the techniques, you have no outlet. You could be the most creative person, you could be an absolute creative genius, without that technique, you have no way to play that out.

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If you have the technique then your creativity is is limitless. You could really go far but not everyone has it. But if you don’t have the creative part, you can always fall back on the technique and the fundamentals.

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Emmanuel Laroche – Podcast Host17 Sep 201900:48:56

Emmanuel Laroche, host of the “flavors unknown” podcast says “Everyone who knows me would say that it’s obvious that I love food. I always loved food. It started when I was a kid with my mom. I’m obviously French. You can tell from the little tiny accent people say that I have. My parents were from the Northeast part of France close to Germany. The Lorraine area. I always remember my mom cooking for family or friend events. I learned how to cook when I was very young”.

What we covered in this episode
  • Emmanuel Laroche’s friend Katie Schlientz, CEO at CommuniKate Media, was conducting the interview.
  • She first asked hims what made him pursue a career in food.
  • Emmanuel Laroche’s  Mom always cooked and I learned very early on how to cook yogurt cakes and make quiche.
  • One of his earliest food memory is tasting “Paté Lorrain” in the North-East part of France.
  • Emmanuel Laroche’s talked about his passion for travels and networking with people.
  • He became the flavors unknown podcast host a year ago and Katie asked him what gave me the idea to start a podcast.
  • Great source for podcasting best practices is the conference called “Podcast Movement”.
  • Emmanuel Laroche dived into the reason behind the name “flavors unknown” for his podcast.
  • The unknown part in the name “flavors unknown” comes one from his passion in discovering new flavors. The other point of reference is obviously Anthony Bourdain. It was very important for Emmanuel to pay homage to him.
  • The mission of “flavors unknown” is to create a platform for the Chefs, Pastry Chefs, and Bartenders to share their passion and for the audience to learn. “flavors unknown” is part of the educational podcast genre.
  • Emmanuel Laroche described the three categories of audiences this podcast is targeted to.
  • What are the 7 steps process for his podcast.
  • As flavors unknown podcast host, he selects the guests either based on the awards they got from James Beard Foundation or from StarChefs or guests who have a great a great story to tell.
  • They discussed the easiest part and the hardest part of the conducting the guest interviews.
  • Katie asked him about his memorable moments while interviewing the 26 guests during the first season of being the podcast host.
  • What inspire Emmanuel: travels and people.
  • 5 rapid-fire questions to the flavors unknown podcast host!
Emmanuel Laroche’s 7 step process for the podcast “flavors unknown” There’s seven steps in the process.
  1. First of all you have to establish a connection with the person that you want to have as a guests.
  2. You have to have an agreement because having the connection is not enough.
  3. After you have the agreement then there is the whole research because you are not going to interview them without you spending time in advance to learn about who they are.
  4. You have to put together a series of questions that’s you. I am sharing the main questions with them in advance.
  5. Then after that there is the recording that I do most of the time remotely on the phone or it could be face to face.
  6. And then when this is done there is another aspect of the podcasting which is editing as I edit my  podcast. Because I just want to focus on rich content. I’m trying to have a podcast which is 35 to 45 minutes long because otherwise people lose interest and the focus. 
  7. After editing starts the promotion. I know it is strange but even if you are doing the podcast for an audience, the problem is that people don’t know about it. You want to put it out there and you have to let them know that it exists. So social media is one tool to accomplish this. When you start, no one is listening. The promotion aspect is always important and I think that for me it’s key. The people that listen to the podcast can have a important role here and they can help the host to promote the podcast. They can share it with they their foodie friends, they can share it within their network and maybe they don’t have that in mind when they listen to the podcast Subscribe to it. Share it with your network. Word of mouth is critical! Always prepare visuals and share all the links with your guest. Easier for them to share if they want to.
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What is interesting to me is to look at behind the scene and understand what are the new ingredients and flavors that the Chefs and Bartenders are experimenting with.

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There’s a high level of engagement with podcast. There’s always rich content and when you are in marketing you’re always looking for very good content that you can share with an audience. That’s the reason why I like podcasting.

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The unknown part in the name “flavors unknown” comes one from my interest in discovering new flavors. The other point of reference is obviously Anthony Bourdain. It was very important for me to pay homage to him.

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Travels and People inspire me. Once a year go somewhere you have never been before!

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Kim Alter – Creating Food Memories03 Sep 201900:42:40

I just really wanted something that was a little bit more lighthearted where we could come and sit. There aren’t tablecloths and we’re not too precious and the music might be a little bit louder. But you’re still getting the refinement of food that you would get in a more upscale restaurant. So I think the theme adds a little bit of fun to it and there’s a story. I wanted a story to translate. Some hold really special to my heart like I did a menu about my mom going blind. And then how she was able to regain her vision near the end she had the surgery. Then the menu kind of translated.  It was very blurry and beige and then all of a sudden bright colors things you could eat with your hands. So a lot of times it just comes from the mode I’m in and where I’m at emotionally and just kind of comes from all different places.

What we covered in this episode
  • Chef Kim Alter describes the difficulty of opening a restaurant in San Francisco.
  • Would she has done things differently looking back at it today when working on opening her restaurant.
  • Does women have access in 2019 to the same opportunities as men in restaurants.
  • Chef Kim Alter describes her Linden Room bar concept and her restaurant Nightbird.
  • The themed menus at Nightbird changes every 2 to 3 weeks. 
  • What is the inspiration behind the themed menus.
  • Master the techniques first and apply them to the products that are available to resonate with your menu idea.
  • The Chef talks about her recent trip to Taipei (Taiwan).
  • How does she keeps her team motivated.
  • She talks about her mentors and what they brought to her.
  • Fermentation is one of her latest obsession.
  • Alliums are irreplaceable to her.
  • Buying quality ingredients is the number one when you are making something simple.
  • Chef Kim Alter talks about her consultancy work.
  • Sustainability and waste management are part of the way menus are conceptualized at Nightbird.
  • 5 rapid-fire questions!
Links to other episodes in San Francsico

Chef Chris Cosentino – Cockscomb

Chef Kim Alter’s summer salad recipe

Definitely go to farmer’s market so you can kind of pick out everything on your own. I really love grilled or seared little gems and I was just at the farmer’s market this morning and grabbed some little gems you cut them in half grilled them or sear them on in your outside or inside on your stove. And then same with peaches charring peaches there’s so much sugar in them you could get a little bit of char to give like a bitter sweetness and then just like a charred peach salad mash ups some of those peaches as the vinaigrette with a little bit of lemon juice super simple and like get some Burrata from the cheese chop and just like a Burrata, grilled little gem with some like chard and pickled peaches would I think be really refreshing and very summery.

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Evolution is a constant word I use. I always want to grow, I always want to learn, and I want to evolve.

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I’d like to think that people are looking at chefs now as a whole and not just as a woman chef and as a man chef but as someone who is talented and smart and can operate a business whether you’re a man or a woman.

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When you get taken out of your environment you start thinking outside of the box. You are witnessing new ingredients and techniques and environments that change the way you think.

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