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First Fuel

Energy Efficiency Council

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Hosted by Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel, First Fuel brings you the latest perspectives on energy efficiency, energy management and demand response from Australia and around the world.

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92: Politics, purpose and net zero pathways with Matt Kean

Season 1 · Episode 92

Thursday, July 18, 2024 • Duration 32:07

On 1 August, Matt Kean will become chair of the https://www.climatechangeauthority.gov.au/. Over a parliamentary career spanning 13 years with two state premiers, Kean has been NSW's Treasurer, Environment Minister, Innovation Minister, Energy Minister and Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party. When announcing his resignation from politics just one month ago, Kean made it clear that the next phase of his career will be in the energy transition. In this timely episode, Luke and Matt discuss the different directions he was pulled in as an energy minister, Australia's critical behind-the-metre challenges, and what it was like to take the call from Chris Bowen pitching him his new role, while standing on a crowded train. The episode was recorded just after Kean stepped off stage at the 2024 Australian Clean Energy Summit, where he'd called on industry to "put its money where its mouth is." In a packed 30 minutes, Kean explains that challenge further, and discusses sectoral decarbonisation and how to engage different parts of the economy in deeper ways. "The energy transition is in Australia's interest, and our national interest, and we should be out there arguing the case." Connect with us: eec.org.au Follow us on Linkedin Email us at firstfuel@eec.org.au To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit podfollow.com/first-fuel/home

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82: Energy Efficiency Summit 2022 – Batteries of the nation: zero emissions commercial buildings

Season 1 · Episode 82

Tuesday, November 15, 2022 • Duration 40:15

This week’s episode of First Fuel is a recording of our panel titled ‘Batteries of the nation: zero emissions commercial buildings’ from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit.

In this panel, Francesca Muskovic, National Policy Director of Property Council of Australia, was joined by: Davina Rooney, CEO, Green Building Council of Australia; Carlos Flores, Director, NABERs; and David Palin, Sustainability Manager, Mirvac.

This expert panel considers what has been achieved on energy efficiency in Australia’s commercial building sector and how much more there is to do: driving decarbonisation outside the office sector, helping commercial buildings transition from gas to heat pumps, and making sure that commercial buildings are playing there part in a high penetration renewable grid.

You can watch a video version of this panel and all our panels from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit at eec.org.au/summit22

Key topics:

State of play for commercial building efficiency in Australia

The challenge of residual gas use in commercial buildings

Smart integration of all electric buildings into a renewable grid

The case for a national energy saving target

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Find Luke at https://twitter.com/lukemenzel
Find out more about the Energy Efficiency Council at www.eec.org.au
Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/EECouncil
Email us firstfuel@eec.org.au

To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit

81: Energy Efficiency Summit 2022 – Efficient, electric and affordable: creating better homes

Tuesday, November 1, 2022 • Duration 44:27

This week’s episode of First Fuel is a recording of our panel titled ‘Efficient, Electric and affordable: Creating better homes,’ from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit.

In this panel, Program Director of Climate and Energy at ACOSS, Kellie Caught, was joined by: Vanessa Davis, Researcher, Tagentyere Council; Margot Delafoulhouze, Systems Lead - Cities, Climateworks Centre; and Ben Milsom, co-founder and Chief Commercial Officer, Plenti.

In a wide-ranging session, this expert panel discuss the huge positive impacts of energy efficiency and standardisation on residential homes, particularly on social and low income housing, and those in remote parts of Australia, where energy poverty can create literally life threatening circumstances.

You can watch a video version of this panel and all our panels from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit at eec.org.au/summit22

Key topics:

The opportunities and benefits of residential energy efficiency
Existing building stock and retrofits
Energy efficiency financing in residential sector
Looking to overseas for incentive inspiration
Energy efficiency disclosure for existing buildings

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To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit

80: Energy Efficiency Summit 2022 – Leaders Panel

Season 1 · Episode 80

Tuesday, October 18, 2022 • Duration 45:10

This episode of First Fuel is a recording of the Leaders Panel at the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit. Delivered in person from Sydney, and streamed to a national online audience, the Summit brought together government, global experts, prominent consumer advocates and our largest industry associations for a unique, economy-wide discussion on the role of energy efficiency in this moment and beyond.

In this panel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel was joined by: Edwina MacDonald, Acting CEO, ACOSS; Innes Willox, Chief Executive, Ai Group; Ken Morrison, Chief Executive, Property Council of Australia, Senator the Hon Jenny McAllister; and California Energy Commissioner Andrew McAllister.

You can watch a video version of this panel and all our panels from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit at eec.org.au/summit22

Key topics:

Energy efficiency and its role in Australia’s net zero target
Supporting vulnerable households through the net zero transformation
Critical role of energy efficiency for business
Learning from California’s approach to the demand side
What’s left to be done – and some advice to the federal government

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79: California dreaming with Andrew McAllister

Season 1 · Episode 79

Monday, October 10, 2022 • Duration 41:37

Recorded in front of an intimate live audience in Melbourne on the eve of the 2022 Energy Efficiency Summit, episode 79 features Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel in conversation with California Energy Commissioner Andrew McAllister.

This was Commissioner McAllister’s first visit to Australia in five years, and this fascinating and wide-ranging discussion range from what compelled Ronald Reagan to make energy efficiency central to California’s policy in the 1970s, through to why “the matching of supply and demand is the concept of our time.”

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California’s Warren-Alquist Act

Key topics:

California's integration of building code and appliance standards with generation permitting and demand forecasting.
Managing demand growth over time
The crucial importance of building standards
Load flexibility and management
Energy reliability during extreme weather
The importance of “quality” electrification

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Find the California Energy Commission at https://twitter.com/calenergyConnect with us:
Find Luke at https://twitter.com/lukemenzel
Find out more about the Energy Efficiency Council at www.eec.org.au
Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/EECouncil
Email us firstfuel@eec.org.au
To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit www.eec.org.au/podcasts

78: Farm panel – Energy management in agriculture

Season 1 · Episode 78

Tuesday, September 20, 2022 • Duration 27:23

In Episode 78 of First Fuel we bring you a panel discussion from the launch of the Energy Efficiency Council’s sector spotlight on energy management opportunities for Australian farms, released in partnership with the National Farmers Federation in late 2021.

Luke Menzel, CEO of the EEC is joined by Ash Salardini, Chief Economist at NFF, Edwina Beveridge, Blantyre Farms; Dean Cayley, Cayley Farms; and Karin Stark, the founder of the National Renewables in Agriculture Conference. This fantastic panel digs into how the leaders in the Aussie farm sector are approaching smart energy management.

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Navigating a dynamic energy landscape: A briefing for farms

Connect with us:

Find Luke at https://twitter.com/lukemenzel

Find out more about the Energy Efficiency Council at www.eec.org.au

Email us at firstfuel@eec.org.au

To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit www.eec.org.au/podcasts

77: Electrifying Europe with Thomas Nowak

Season 1 · Episode 77

Tuesday, September 6, 2022 • Duration 42:07

In Episode 77 of First Fuel, EEC’s CEO Luke Menzel is joined by the Secretary General of the European Heat Pump Association, Thomas Nowak.

Even prior to the war in Ukraine, Europe was already warming up to heat pumps, but the need to get away from Russian gas has supercharged that effort. Today, the European Commission has a plan to double the rate of heat pump deployment, with Germany announcing a ‘heat pump offensive’, to take the annual install rate to half a million per year. As another example, the Netherlands - one of the most gas-reliant countries in the world - will ban fossil fuel heating from 2026, making heat pumps mandatory.

Needless to say, Thomas is at the forefront of this movement. In this episode, he and Luke discuss the pace of change in Europe, the opportunity to leverage this technology in Australian homes, commercial buildings and industry, and the need to educate the public about the transformative benefits of heat pumps for climate, health and hip-pocket.

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RePowerEU
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Key topics:
What is the European Heat Pump Association?
The gas crisis and the EU’s response
Heat pumps in residential buildings, commercial buildings and industry
The role of refrigerants in heat pumps, and effectively managing climate impacts

Connect with our guests:
Find Thomas at https://twitter.com/ThomasNowakEU

Connect with us:
Find Luke at https://twitter.com/lukemenzel
Find out more about the Energy Efficiency Council at Follow us on Twitter at Email us at To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit

76: 'He waka eke noa... we’re all in this together' with Dr Megan Woods

Season 1 · Episode 75

Tuesday, August 23, 2022 • Duration 44:44

In Episode 76 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by New Zealand’s Minister of Energy and Resources, Dr Megan Woods.

Luke and Minister Woods discuss New Zealand’s legislated climate targets, New Zealand’s proud history of action on energy efficiency, and two of the nation's flagship energy efficiency programs, the Government Investment in Decarbonising Industry Fund (GIDI) and the Warmer Kiwi Homes program.

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Key topics:

New Zealand’s climate policy architecture
The use of sectoral targets in the net zero transformation
Why has energy efficiency has been so important to New Zealand policy-making
New Zealand’s investment to decarbonise industry
The Warmer Kiwi Homes programme, and its role in improving the lives of vulnerable households

Connect with our guests:

Find Minister Woods at https://twitter.com/Megan_Woods

75: Reinventing efficiency with Professor Nick Eyre

Tuesday, August 9, 2022 • Duration 41:42

In Episode 75 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Professor Nick Eyre, Director at Oxford University's Centre for Research into Energy Demand Solutions (CREDS).

Luke and Nick discuss the impact of the European gas crisis on UK energy consumers and what can be done about it. They also dig into the UK Government’s Heat and Buildings Strategy, and Nick’s recent paper – co-authored with Jan Rosenow of RAP – Reinventing energy efficiency for net zero.

This episode was recorded at Oxford University on Thursday 7 July 2022.

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Key topics:

Gas crisis impacts on UK consumers
Strategies for decarbonising heat in buildings
Heat pump targets and deployment in UK
Flexibility in the context of different renewable technology mixes
The evolving role of efficiency as we journey to net zero

Connect with our guests:

Find CREDS at https://twitter.com/@CREDS_UK

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Find Luke at

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