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Fabulist

Joel Pilger

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Frequency: 1 episode/42d. Total Eps: 28

Go behind the scenes of the world’s most disruptive studios and production companies — to discover the business stories fueling these industry creative powerhouses. Hi, I’m Joel. I lead the global movement of studios mastering the art of the business. Whether you run a studio in motion, animation, live action, sound, or experiential, this is the show unlike any other. Join the movement at http://joelpilger.com. Huge thanks to our awesome audio production partner, Coupe Studios. Learn more at coupestudios.com. © 2019–2025 JPMP

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State of Studios 2025 - The 7 Laws of Thriving Studios

Season 4 · Episode 5

Monday, December 29, 2025 • Duration 16:54

What’s actually happening inside creative studios right now?

I work with hundreds of creative studios and production companies across 40+ countries — motion design, VFX, live action, experiential, music, and sound. And toward the end of every year, founders ask me the same question:

“You work across the industry… what are you seeing right now?”

This episode is my answer.

Not pulled from headlines.
Not scraped from LinkedIn posts.
Not theory.

This is pattern recognition drawn from real conversations inside Forum®, private working sessions, founder dinners, sales calls, boardrooms, and years of building and advising studios at the highest level.

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This isn’t a downturn. It’s a reconfiguration.

In 2025, something surprising happened:
• Studios were busy
• Revenue went up
• Payrolls shrank

Smaller teams.
Higher leverage.
Clearer positioning.

At the same time, the anxious middle of the industry is being pulled into a race to the bottom — faster than ever.

Ryan Summers and I call this shift The Great Bifurcation.

In this episode of The Fabulist™, I break down the Seven Laws of Thriving Studios — the patterns separating studios that are gaining authority from those losing relevance.

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The Seven Laws Covered in This Episode
1. From Servicing Projects → Solving Problems
2. From Order Taker → Expert
3. From Outsider → Insider (Experts Travel)
4. From Hoping to Win → Pitching to Win
5. From Selling Inputs → Selling Outputs
6. From One of Many → The One & Only (a → the™)
7. From Attention → Trust

We also cover:
• Why AI doesn’t replace expertise — it amplifies it
• Why pitching (done well) is still the highest-ROI activity for top studios
• Why trust will be the rarest asset in the next creative era
• Why founders are shrinking teams while increasing revenue
• How insiders think differently than vendors

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Referenced Conversations & Contributors

This episode draws from real conversations and sessions with founders and leaders including:

Ryan Summers
Kevin Rapp (Ultra Friends)
Jeremy Dimmock (Polyester Studio)
Nuno Ferreira
Justin Cone (BUCK)
Mitch Monson (Sibling Rivalry)
Tony Kadillak (VERSUS)
Tim Bradley (Pennant Video)
Ed Rhine (Spillt)
Dominic DiMaria
Martin Schurmann (Váscolo)
Radim Malinic
Matt Hernandez (Paramount)

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About Me

I’m Joel Pilger — former studio founder (20 years at Impossible Pictures), advisor to the world’s top creative studios, host of The Fabulist™ podcast, curator of Fuse private dinners, and founder of Forum™, the private peer community where studio owners master the art of the business.

Most of the conversations you hear on this podcast continue inside Forum — where founders stop being order takers and start leading as experts.

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If this episode made you uncomfortable… good.

That usually means one of these Laws is already at work in your business.

👉 Learn more about Forum™ and how studio founders are navigating this shift together at joelpilger.com

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Competition as Craft: The Sister-Studio Experiment

Season 4 · Episode 4

Monday, October 13, 2025 • Duration 59:05

We’re challenging each other—and the industry. Joel sits down with Vagrants co-founders Dustin Devlin and Winston Macdonald (Boston-based creative/production studio) and Tim Bradley, founder of Pennant Video Co., to unpack how today’s best studios are evolving beyond “project vendors” into true strategic partners.

From Boston’s “old guard” union shop era to today’s gray area where studios look a little like agencies (and brands build in-house teams), this conversation gets real about identity, positioning, and why the business of running a studio is the most interesting project you’ll ever take on. Tim breaks down Pennant’s mid-funnel Video Marketing Trifecta (Differentiation, Demonstration, Validation) and how productizing strategy turns scattered content needs into measurable results. The group also talks lifestyle companies, saying no to the wrong work, collaborating across sister companies, and the power of generosity over zero-sum thinking.

If you’re a founder navigating agency relationships, brand-direct work, or that “are we a studio or an agency?” identity crisis—this one’s for you.

What You’ll Learn

Studio → Partner: How challenger studios win by solving problems, not just fulfilling briefs.
Old Guard vs. New Guard: What changed in Boston’s market—and why it mirrors everywhere.
Productized Strategy: Pennant’s mid-funnel framework (Differentiation / Demonstration / Validation).
Saying No (On Purpose): Why Vagrants turned down ~half a million in “the wrong” work—and what that unlocked.
Direct-to-Brand Reality: Working with modern in-house teams and where agencies still fit.
Ops is Creative: Why COO thinking (utilization, team health, repeatable value) fuels better creative.
Community > Competition: Forum, Fuse dinners, and the “generosity paradox” in action.

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Bravely Making “Brave The Dark” With Derek Dienner

Season 1 · Episode 20

Monday, January 20, 2025 • Duration 50:34

In this episode of The Fabulist, Joel Pilger dives deep with Derek Dienner, founder of Make Films and producer of the upcoming feature film Brave the Dark. Derek shares his remarkable journey from running a thriving commercial production company to navigating the highs and lows of bringing a heartfelt narrative drama to life.

Discover how Derek balances the dual challenges of managing a creative business and pursuing his dream of making impactful films. From securing $4 million in funding during the chaos of COVID, to signing a distribution deal with Angel Studios for a theatrical release in over 2,500 theaters, Derek’s story is one of resilience, vision, and entrepreneurial grit.

If you've ever wondered what it takes to transition from producing commercials to creating feature films—or how to persevere when the odds seem insurmountable—this is the episode for you. Hear about the challenges of the entertainment industry, the power of belief and grit, and the importance of staying connected to your creative roots.

Links: Learn more about Derek's production company:

MakeFilms.cc Tickets for Brave the Dark: Available starting December 1st, with the film opening nationwide January 24th.

Tune in now to explore the intersection of creativity and commerce, and to celebrate the journey of reinventing the future of storytelling.

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Building Your Brand To Elevate Your Company Brand with Simon Dixon, Mitch Monson, and Carson Hood

Season 1 · Episode 19

Monday, December 9, 2024 • Duration 46:38

In this thought-provoking episode of the Fabulist Podcast, host Joel Pilger brings together a panel of creative industry leaders—Simon Dixon of DixonBaxi, Mitch Monson of Sibling Rivalry, and Carson Hood of BGSTR—for an authentic and inspiring conversation on the evolving role of personal and professional reputation in the creative world.

The discussion explores:

The transition from competition to collaboration and the democratization of the creative industry.
The importance of fostering trust and authenticity in relationships with clients, collaborators, and teams.
How personal values and actions can positively impact company culture, reputation, and success.
Practical advice for creatives on how to show up authentically, add value, and find their unique lane in the industry.

Join Joel and his guests as they candidly share their journeys, insights, and aspirations for the future of creativity. Whether you're a seasoned professional or an aspiring leader, this episode offers a fresh perspective on thriving in the creative industry.

Listen now. Be inspired. Let’s redefine leadership as simply being valuable.

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The Nash Stash: Current & Creative Business Strategies with Joe Nash

Season 1 · Episode 18

Monday, November 25, 2024 • Duration 31:16

In this episode, I sit down with Joe Nash to unpack the complexities of running a creative studio in today's ever-evolving market.

We dive into: Why authenticity and truly caring about your clients’ challenges are the ultimate game-changers.
The shift from traditional agency models to in-house teams—and what that means for studios.
The power of curiosity in navigating change and finding new opportunities, from motion systems to experiential design.
How to define success on your own terms—whether it’s scaling big or staying small and impactful.

Joe shares wisdom from his time working with studios of all sizes and insights from building Brand Tracker, a tool connecting incredible creative work to the people who need it most. If you’ve ever felt the push and pull of staying relevant in a fast-changing industry, this conversation is for you.

Listen now to explore what it takes to innovate, adapt, and thrive in the creative world!

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Your Client Called—They’re Doing It Themselves: Surviving Motion Design’s In-House Insurgence with Justin Cone

Season 1 · Episode 17

Monday, November 11, 2024 • Duration 48:42

In this episode of The Fabulist, I – your host Joel Pilger – am joined by industry veteran Justin Cone at BUCK to tackle some of the biggest shifts currently shaping the motion design world.

We dive into the rise of in-housing, as brands increasingly bring creative work in-house. This trend, while challenging for studios reliant on agency work, is creating fresh opportunities for those ready to build direct, meaningful relationships with brands.

We also get into the role of AI in creative workflows. Justin and I discuss how AI can open up creative possibilities, but only when it’s used to enhance—not replace—human insight and craft. Justin shares his thoughts on where AI adds value and where studios should draw the line to ensure their work remains both high-quality and human-centered.

Lastly, we explore the idea of “ephemeralization” — doing more with less—and how staying curious, adaptable, and plugged into the industry can help studios navigate these ongoing shifts. This is a must-listen for anyone in the creative industry looking to stay ahead in a rapidly changing landscape.

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Originality is the Template with Dominic DiMaria

Season 1 · Episode 16

Monday, October 28, 2024 • Duration 45:49

In this episode of The Fabulist, Joel Pilger talks with artist and entrepreneur Dominic DiMaria, co-founder of Das Audie. Together, they explore the art of “positioning” — how creatives can stand out by embracing a unique perspective and refusing to compromise on originality.

Dominic shares his Magnetic framework, a process that helps creatives communicate their authentic voice, transforming how they approach clients and projects.

Tune in for practical insights on breaking through the noise, building a memorable brand, and why “the only ‘next’ that matters is the next first.”

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Producers: The Unsung Heroes of Our Industry with Rebecca Olson, Kathryn Henderson, Leyla Rosario, and Jessica Ransom

Season 1 · Episode 15

Wednesday, October 16, 2024 • Duration 01:00:33

In this episode of The Fabulist, we tackle one of the most misunderstood roles in the creative industry: “What does a Producer actually do?”

To help answer that question, I’ve brought together an incredible panel of powerhouse Producers – Rebecca Olson, Kathryn Henderson, Leyla T. Rosario, and Jessica L. Ransom – to shed light on the role of these behind-the-scenes masterminds. From navigating complex projects to keeping creative chaos in check, these experts reveal the magic Producers bring to every production.

I’ll admit: I wasn’t cut out to be a Producer. In fact, my studio’s turning point came when I finally hired a rockstar Producer. The difference was night and day, transforming Impossible Pictures into a high-functioning powerhouse. It’s why, even though I’m all about championing creatives, I’m here to declare:

Producers are the Unsung Heroes of our Industry!

Still not convinced? Give this episode a listen and I guarantee you’ll see just how indispensable these heroes are.

And if you already agree, show some love to your favorite Producer in the comments.

Huge shoutout to Coupe Studios for making The Fabulist so fabulous

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The Transition to Digital Was Nothing Compared to AI with Michael Gilday

Season 1 · Episode 14

Wednesday, October 2, 2024 • Duration 32:30

In this enlightening episode of The Fabulist Podcast, host Joel Pilger sits down with Michael Gilday, founder and CEO of Deep Vibe Creative, for an in-depth discussion on the transformation and future of creative industries in the age of AI.

Gilday shares his extensive career journey, from the early days of analog media to the cutting-edge digital era, and highlights the unique skills and crafts that are being overshadowed by technological advancements. Concerned about the diminishing opportunities for students and junior roles in creative fields due to AI technologies, he urges the younger generation to become indispensable by helping older professionals stay relevant.

The conversation spans various topics, including the role of AI in artistry, the eroding middlemen in the industry, and the cautionary lessons from the music sector's technological struggles. Gilday emphasizes the importance of passion over financial motivation in creative careers and shares his insights into leadership, business acumen, and the evolving demands of the creative workforce.

Join us as we explore the potential and pitfalls of AI in the creative world, the importance of regulation, and the fine balance between technology and human creativity. Whether you're an industry veteran or an aspiring creative, this episode offers valuable perspectives on navigating the future of the creative landscape.

Highlights:

AI's Impact on Opportunities:
How AI is reshaping job roles and opportunities in creative fields.
Craft and Technology:
The transition from analog to digital and its effects on craft and learning.
Leadership and Collaboration:
The role of creative leaders in nurturing talent and managing innovation.
Future Outlook:
The need for regulation and responsible use of AI in creative industries.

Tune in for an engaging discussion that blends personal experiences, professional insights, and forward-thinking perspectives on creativity and commerce.

Your Studio's Future is Brand-Direct with Kevin Rapp

Season 1 · Episode 13

Tuesday, September 17, 2024 • Duration 36:01

Let's dive deep into the highs and lows of the creative life with Kevin Rapp, the seasoned creative leader and founder of Ultra Friends.

In this episode, Joel Pilger invites Kevin to explore:

Why creatives often find themselves exploited
The emotional toll of turning passion into a career
How business realities can erode the joy of creation

Kevin shares powerful insights on finding value in creative work, navigating the tension between business and creativity, and empowering the next generation of creators.

Tune in for this honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of living a creative life.

Connect with Kevin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-rapp-consulting/

Thanks for our audio production partners at http://coupestudios.com

Find out more about FORUM at https://www.joelpilger.com/forum

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