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Eli and Jeremy welcome Jason Waller, former BBC Reporter, to the show to talk about the Americana and nostalgia of Stranger Things 3. We explore small towns, mall culture, sticky creatures, and the difficulty of nailing the third part of any creative output. Find out if we think Stranger Things: Season 3 pulled it off.

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The Skywalker myth has been with our generation for our whole lives. How do we process the end of the Skywalker story and new Star Wars stories like The Mandalorian? Join us as we break down The Rise of Skywalker and the new Disney+ show, The Mandalorian with some stories of what Star Wars has meant to us through the years.

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Our guest for this episode, Brittany Lee, chose to talk about the Netflix series "When They See Us" and some encounters she has had with law enforcement, including some Black teenagers she is helping mentor. Ava DuVernay's series gives us a lot to chew on as we share stories to try to wrestle with the issues involved. Brittany and Eli also discuss meeting Yusef Salaam, one of the original Exonerated Five, and the inspiration of his story. You can listen to a conversation with Yusef here, that Eli and Jeremy helped produce for the Black Like Me Podcast.

Brittany works in criminal justice reform and mentors young men with Trained To Grow Inc.

On our Halloween episode, our guest storyteller, actor Bryan Bosque, shares a story from seeing his first real horror movie on an unusual family vacation as a child. Jeremy shares a story of one of his scariest movie-watching experiences as a kid and Eli has nightmares about one of his early favorite films, Edward Scissorhands. Listen to hear what lies behind the nightmares that stuck with us. Also, Eli and Bryan reminisce on their experience making indie film projects together.

On the first episode of Season 2, we hear an amazing and heartfelt story from guest Rosita González about why Philomena was a turning point in the journey into her past and identity. We have a discussion around some of the untold issues facing transracial adoption and finish with Eli's story about High Fidelity and making mixtapes for love. Don't miss this episode!

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Jeremy Holiday and Eli Steenlage return with a fresh new style for Season 2 that focuses on movies and the personal stories that surround them. Each episode will feature a new guest storyteller to connect over the films that are important in our lives. Listen to the preview to hear more about what is coming this season.

After 2 and 1/2 years of ExtraTextual, Eli and Jeremy announce a new format and style to the show while maintaining their unique conversations and guests. Before launching the new personal stories and movies format, they catch up on all of the great things they have been watching lately. They talk Stranger Things, Fleabag: Season 2, Detective Pikachu, The Perfection, Black Mirror: Season 6, Twilight Zone, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, and Burning.

Check back very soon hear the next evolution of ExtraTextual in a new season!

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Eli and Jeremy break down a decade of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) and what the milestone of Avengers: Endgame means for the industry. From the point of view of large scale, serialized storytelling other cinematic universes like Star Wars and X-Men are also discussed. Eli and Jeremey also give their top three Marvel films.

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On this episode, Jeremy and Eli talk about camera movement with Professor Patrick Keating. The conversation spans early Hollywood cinema up through current directors such as Martin Scorcese and Spike Lee. Don't miss Professor Keating's viewing recommendations for great examples of camera movement in classic films.

Patrick Keating is an associate professor of Communication at Trinity University. He teaches courses in film studies and video production. Additionally, he has served as the chair of the interdisciplinary minor in Film Studies.

Books:

• Cinematography (editor). New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press, 2014.
• Hollywood Lighting from the Silent Era to Film Noir (New York: Columbia University Press, 2010).
• The Dynamic Frame: Camera Movement in Classical Hollywood (Columbia University Press, 2019)

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In the second part of our year-end wrap-up, Blake Goble of Consequence of Sound joins the show to continue the conversation of the stand out films of 2018. In this portion, the discussion covers Annihilation, BlackKklansman, Won't You Be My Neighbor, The Other Side of the Wind, They'll Love Me When I'm Dead, Hereditary, Black Panther, Mandy, Suspiria, Vice, and First Man.

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Jeremy and Eli are joined by special guest Blake Goble, Senior Staff Writer for Consequence of Sound, to discuss our favorite films of 2018. On this episode, we start by broadly talking through the themes in cinema for the year. Then we cover picks on our best of lists, including If Beale Street Could Talk, Leave No Trace, Cold War, and First Reformed.

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On this episode, Eli and Jeremy discuss the latest entry in the Spider-Man film universe, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. They expose some of the techniques used in the innovative animation style of the film and why this film is so important in the history of animation. Eli and Jeremy also explore other important moments in film history that challenged the medium.

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On this episode, Jeremy Holiday and Eli Steenlage sing the praises of Steve McQueen's latest film, Widows. Though McQueen is working in the heist, crime genre this time, the many themes and variations are discussed. With a great ensemble cast and script co-written by Gilliam Flynn, it is hard not to love Widows. Jeremy and Eli disagree though on a central reveal in the middle of the film and how the scene is handled.

*Spoiler Warning

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On this episode we talk with Annalise Ophelian, the Producer and Director of the upcoming documentary Looking for Leia. Annalise discusses the filmmaking process and interviewing female Star Wars fans who have connected with Star Wars on various levels. The conversation covers Star Wars through the generations, representation of female heroes in media, and general Star Wars geekery. 

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On this episode Jeremy Holiday and Eli Steenlage give their Post-Halloween take on new movies and shows that lean toward the dark side. They dig into Castlevania Season 2 for the main discussion and then do some quick breakdowns of other viewing options. Eli talks about the new Halloween (2018) sequel and the new Netflix series The Haunting of Hill House. Jeremy critiques the second season of Attack on Titans.

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Jeremy and Eli evaluate the boom in animation in the streaming age and what it offers viewers going forward. The variety and quality of animation is changing quickly as we discuss the niche options available. Plus, we loved Netflix's The Dragon Prince and gush a lot about it.

On this episode Jeremy and Eli discuss the recent trend of comedy specials that lean more toward storytelling and serious topics. Primarily Hannah Gadsby's excellent Netflix special, Nanette, is explored as a major achievement. Gadsby dissects the stand up routine in light of her personal experiences.

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On this episode Eli and Jeremy reflect on the legacy of The Incredibles and how the worldview of the two films has been recieved by critics. There is a lot to discuss in the way that power and powers have exploded through superhero films since the release of the original Incredibles. Does the sequel do anything interesting with these concepts?

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On this episode Eli and Jeremy have a lot of fun with the topic of "Guilty Pleasure" movies and television series. Though the lines between high and low are fading, the reasons for why we feel guilty about some viewing habits are explored. Does the term guilty pleasures still apply? Should I care that I want to see rampaging dinosaurs or Archie characters trying to solve murders?

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Eli and Jeremy explore the excellent second season of Dear White People from Netflix. The show talks about race in serious and funny ways, and we are listening and watching closely. We look at the real life trolling and political climate that informed the latest season. Plus we break down some of the varied and strong elements at work in the show, from social commentary, politcal thriller, melodrama, noir, and surrealism.

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Professor Colin Burnett returns to the show to discuss the latest Star Wars film. The spoiler-iffic conversation covers the look of the new film, the characterization of beloved stars, and the future of the Star Wars universe. Having a few weeks to process the release of the film, we speculate on the film's perception as a failure and what it means for Disney/Lucasfilm going forward.

In arguably the greatest team-up ever, Jeremy and Eli break down and take down the culmination of a decade of Marvel movies in Avengers: Infinity War. The coversation covers how the superhero characters come together, the villiany of Thanos, and the future of the Marvel cinematic universe. This film sets a precedence of translating a comic book format into a cinematic format. Does it succeed?

Jeremy and Eli continue their exploration of the films that have influenced them creatively and personally. Jeremy shares how The Lord of the Rings helped him process his emotions growing up and inspired his own storytelling. In the conversation are a wide range of topics including documentaries, Bollywood films, High Fidelity, Greek Mythology, and Wong Kar-Wai films.

On this episode Eli and Jeremy talk about the films that have influenced them creatively and artistically. Talking more as filmmaker and artists, they share stories of the films that inspired their development. Some of the films they discuss include work by Scorcesse, Spike Jonze, David Gordon Green, Damien Chazelle, Terrence Malick. We look at documentary and meta films as well, such as the work of Erol Morris, Anand Patwarden, and the film Spellbound.

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On this episode Jeremy and Eli explore the release and marketing strategies of some recent Netlix original movies, including Cloverfield Paradox, Bright, and Mute. Plus Netflix orginal series we actually enjoyed are discussed, such as Jessica Jones season 2, Babylon Berlin, and Voltron.

Also, a warning about the audio quality of the first 35 minutes of this episode: Because of some technical difficluties in our recording, the beginning sound is lower quality than we prefer and the last half is normal.

Jeremy and Eli discuss the backlash and the heritage of Ready Player One. How does this movie handle pop culture and video game fandom? Where does this movie fit into Spielberg's career? Let the Easter Egg hunt begin?

On this episode we talk about Eli's favorite film of the 2018 so far, Annihilation. There is a lot to discuss as the film leaves much open to interpretation. Jeremy talks about the book and Eli relates it to Stalker. What does the ending mean? What is Area X? What happens inside? Of course there will be spoilers! 

Eli and Jeremy take a close look at the frisky fish flick, The Shape of Water. How does it stand up to the other Best Picture Oscar nominees that it beat out? Is this Del Toro's best film?

Jeremy and Eli continue their conversation on Black Panther and share some of their own thoughts and experiences with the film. How does Black Panther and the villian Killmonger fit into the Marvel cinematic universe and the broader superhero genre?

On this episode Eli and Jeremy get Dr. Alex Gee's perspective on the new Marvel film, Black Panther. Dr. Gee discusses the mixed feelings on seeing the fictional naiton of Waukanda and grapples with the complexity of the villian character. You can hear more from Dr. Gee on his podcast, Black Like Me or on his website.

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On this episode we continue to explore the world of Star Wars and the latest film, The Last Jedi. Special guest Pat Yulo brings a female perspective to Star Wars fandom, along with an understanding of cosplay and Jedi spirituality. Pat is also a part of the team behind the upcoming documentary, Looking for Leia.

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We are back with Part 2 of our Best of 2017 lists. On this episode we are again joined by David Klein as we share our favorite film picks from the last year.  Our lists include The Big Sick, Mother!, Thor: Ragnorak, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Blade Runner 2049, Call Me By Your Name, I Am Not Your Negro, and Coco.

Jeremy and Eli are joined by special guest David Klein to discuss our favorite TV and Film of 2017. On this episode we start by broadly talking through the major trends in media for the year. Then we cover our lists of best TV, including Game of Thrones, Big Little Lies, Mindhunter, Stranger Things 2, Legion, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Twin Peaks, and The Leftovers.

On this episode we welcome back Professor Colin Burnett to discuss the supposed controversy around The Last Jedi. We talk about the unique narrative style and surprises this film brings to the Star Wars world. Plus, we share some our favorite moments and explore the future of Star Wars as a Disney property.

Vox article: "The backlash against Star Wars: The Last Jedi, explained

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Eli and Jeremy discuss The New York Times article "Skip It: Why It's O.K. to Start a TV Show in the Middle" and mostly disagree. We also talk about what we have been watching lately, including Mindhunter, Chance: Season 2, and Daredevil: Season 2.

On this episode we talk with writer, producer, and director Joshua Russell about his filmmaking experience. We cover such topics as film education, the writing process, and making films that have meaning. Also, we discuss the way his upcoming film Absolution relates to the sexual assualt scandels rocking the news lately.

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Eleven and the gang are back for more monster hunting. Jeremy and Eli return to the topic of the inaugural episode of ExtraTextual with Stranger Things 2. Is the show just remixing the first season of nostalgia or doing something interesting with it's sampling of 80's references? And what about that punk 7th episode?

In this episode, Jeremy and Eli explore the world of the Blade Runner sequel. Is Deckard a replicant? What implications does the film hold for our current world? Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Also, check Eli's short film "Meshes of the Mind" from a few years ago that predicts the major plot point from Blade Runner 2049.

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Yes, we're talking about memories. Friend of the Podcast Professor Steve Noll joins the show to explain some of Blade Runner's rich history and many versions. We explore the Blade Runner from the perspective of a Noir, artificial intelligence, philosophical sci-fi, and our own personal experiences or insights.

Jeremy follows up with The Expanse to discuss season 2 and compares versions of The Tick. Eli talks anime on Netflix with the release of the live action Death Note and has mixed feelings about new series Neo Yokio. 

Jeremy and I discuss the new IT film and the television version. We cover a wide range of views, including childhood and collective trauma, the American psyche, and childhood fears. And we can't forget talking clowns and scariest moments.

On this episode Eli and Jeremy discuss the religious commentary of Castlevania, introducing Raiders of the Lost Ark to Eli’s son, Voltron: Season 2, the expansive narrative of The Expanse, The Last Airbender, and Hologram for a King. We also consider the joys of brainstorming story concepts, inspired by Lucas/Spielberg collaborations and the Inklings.

Special Guest and comic book creator Ben Grisanti joins Eli once again for a discussion on Twin Peaks: The Return as the series comes to a close. As we struggle to come to grips with the ending, we share our personal feelings and theories about the unexpected conclusion. We talk Cooper, Dougie, Mr. C, Richard and Linda. All the Dopplegangers you can imagine in this world or any other! Is this the last we will hear of David Lynch or are we just dreaming?

On this episode Eli and Jeremy discuss Luc Besson's new sci-fi epic, Valerian and it's unique production in the world of franchises. Though an entertaining and visually stunning film, Eli and Jeremy find many issues with the film.

On this episode Jeremy and Eli reflect on the state of film in the 21st Century so far. Based on the New York Times article, we discuss the film critic's list and Eli shares some picks from his personal list.

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Eli's List:

Lost in Translation

There Will be Blood

The Master

The Tree of Life

Children of Men

In The Mood for Love

Spirited Away

Three Times

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Casino Royal

Moulin Rouge

The Royal Tenenbaums

Under the Skin

Almost Famous

Lord of the Rings Trilogy

A.I. Artificial Intelligence 

Adaptation

4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days

The Social Network

Mullholland Dr.

Upstream Color

Nightcrawler 

The Prestige

Scott Pilgrim vs The World

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Special Guest and comic book creator Ben Grisanti joins Eli for a discussion on Twin Peaks: The Return as it hits the mid point. We talk themes of the new series, favorite moments, and some theories. Some damn fine podcast!

On this episode Jeremy and Eli discuss the merits of not binging shows and leaving room to refelect on single episodes. Eli recommends a few new Netflix shows, including Okja and Castlevania, and reflects on the end of The Leftovers. Jeremy looks at Netflix's Daredevil and how the third season of Agents of Shild makes some strong political commentary. Plus, Jeremy and Eli are inspired to get deep about art, truth, and life.

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Eli, Jeremy and returning guest Colin Burnett discuss the merits of the newest addition to the Alien franchise. Colin makes a case for the world building advancing through Ridley Scott's return to the world of Alien.  

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On this episode we talk about the new Wonder Woman film with Colin Burnett, author and Professor of Film and Media at Washington University. Our discussion covers director Patty Jenkins, reading the film as a feminist blockbuster, and the cultural relevance of Wonder Woman. We also share our opinions on the film’s effectiveness as a narrative and the villains involved.

Check out more writing by Colin Burnett:

Moving Patterns

The Invention of Robert Bresson

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On this episode Jeremy and Eli discuss what we have been watching with our kids (Transformers, Monsters Inc., Spirited Away). Then we discuss what we have been playing at our houses (Helldivers, Master of None, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, London Spy, Love, The Leftovers).

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