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EP 129: New Forms, Faithful Church28 Oct 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 129

Series: Church on the Frontier

Description:

What if new expressions of church could make room for people and communities traditional models have struggled to reach? Rick Bolle of Front Porch Church and Rodrigo Cano of MicroChurch Residency discuss church communities shaped around belonging, participation, accessibility, and decentralized mission. Their work challenges familiar assumptions about where church happens, who gets to contribute, and what qualifies as an expression of church. This conversation explores how leaders can develop new forms without sacrificing theological depth, pastoral care, or relational integrity – and how the Church can become more accessible and reproducible without becoming less faithful.

Host:

Tom Planck, Innovation NEXT, Director

Guests:

Rick Bolle – Front Porch Church, Founding Pastor

Rodrigo Cano – MicroChurch Residency, Director

Category: Innovation NEXT

Links shared in episode:

Front Porch Church

MicroChurch Residency

EP 128: Discipleship Ordinary People Can Live21 Oct 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 128

Series: Church on the Frontier

Description:

Discipleship was never meant to remain a class, curriculum, or concept. Peyton Jones of Discipology and Patrick Linnell of Grace Bomb are helping ordinary followers of Jesus turn Scripture, kindness, and faithful intention into everyday action. Their work shows what becomes possible when people realize that participating in God’s mission does not require a platform, professional title, or complicated program. This conversation explores simplicity, obedience, relational mission, and the challenge of building a church culture in which discipleship extends far beyond Sunday. The future of disciple-making may depend on ordinary people believing, “I can actually do this.”

Host:

Tom Planck, Innovation NEXT, Director

Guests:

Peyton Jones – Discipology, Founder

Pat Linnell – Grace Bomb, Founder

Category: Innovation NEXT

Links shared in episode:

Discipology

Grace Bomb

EP 127: Technology That Removes Barriers14 Oct 202600:43:07

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 127

Series: Church on the Frontier

Description:

Technology is not the mission, but it can help remove barriers the Church has tolerated for too long. Aiden Britnell of Kaleo AI and James Donley of OneChurch.io share how digital tools can increase accessibility, strengthen collaboration, and serve Gospel movement. From real-time translation that helps people participate across language barriers to city-wide platforms that connect churches around prayer and mission, these ministries demonstrate how technology can support deeply human and relational ministry. This conversation invites church leaders to view technology not as a replacement for embodied community, but as infrastructure that can help the body of Christ work together more faithfully.

Host:

Tom Planck, Innovation NEXT, Director

Guests:

Aidan Britnell – Kaleo AI, Founder

James Donley – OneChurch.io, Founder

Category: Innovation NEXT

Links shared in episode:

Kaleo AI

OneChurch.io

EP 126: Where God Is Already Stirring07 Oct 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 126

Series: Church on the Frontier

Description:

What happens when the Church stops asking the next generation to come to us and begins recognizing where God is already at work among them? Michael Swalley of Break Free Ministries and Austin Rockwell of Kamp Love share how they are cultivating Jesus-centered communities within hip-hop culture and on college campuses. Their stories reveal the power of trusted relationships, culturally rooted leadership, and meeting young people where they already are. This conversation challenges churches to move beyond attracting the next generation and begin equipping young leaders to create missional movements from within their own communities.

Host:

Tom Planck, Innovation NEXT, Director

Guests:

Michael Swalley – Break Free Ministries, Founder and Executive Director

Austin Rockwell – Kamp Love, CEO

Category: Innovation NEXT

Links shared in episode:

Break Free Ministries

Kamp Love

EP 125: Multiplication in Overlooked Places30 Sep 202600:51:37

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 125

Series: Church on the Frontier

Description:

Some of the Church’s most important innovation is happening in neighborhoods and congregations that rarely receive the spotlight. Dhati Lewis of MyBLVD and Doug Beutler of Seeds of Change Network discuss contextual discipleship, urban mission, and the untapped potential of smaller churches. Together, they challenge the assumption that multiplication requires a large platform or extensive resources. This conversation explores how churches can move from survival to mission, develop leaders from within their communities, and rediscover a disciple-making identity rooted in the places God has already called them to serve.

Host:

Tom Planck, Innovation NEXT, Director

Guests:

Dhati Lewis – MyBLVD, Founder and President

Doug Beutler – Seeds of Change Network, Founder and CEO

Category: Innovation NEXT

Links shared in episode:

MyBLVD

Seeds of Change Network

EP 124: Strengthening the Missionaries23 Sep 202600:42:01

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 124

Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too

Description:

In this closing episode, Dhati Lewis and Missie Branch reflect on the biggest themes from the series and explore why urban missionaries need intentional investment, coaching, community, and care to thrive for the long haul.

This conversation is part of a collaboration between Exponential NEXT and MyBLVD, working together to equip and encourage leaders serving on mission in cities across the country.

Host:

Dhati Lewis – Urban Missions NEXT, Director

Guest:

Missie Branch – MyBLVD, CEO

Category: Urban Missions NEXT

 

EP 123: Becoming All Things16 Sep 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 123

Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too

Description:

What does contextualization actually mean, and why does it matter in urban missions? Daniel Yang brings theological and cultural insight to the conversation, helping listeners understand how cities shape Gospel ministry today.

This conversation is part of a collaboration between Exponential NEXT and MyBLVD, working together to equip and encourage leaders serving on mission in cities across the country.

Host:

Dhati Lewis – Urban Missions NEXT, Director

Guest:

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Category: Urban Missions NEXT

 

EP 122: The Complexity and Sustainability of the Call09 Sep 202601:15:57

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 122

Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too

Description:

What does it take to sustain ministry in today’s cities? In this two-part conversation, Dhati Lewis is joined by James Hobson and Pete Contreras to explore the realities of urban mission beyond traditional ministry models. From entrepreneurship, nonprofits, and creative funding strategies to serving across multiple ministry contexts at once, they discuss why many urban leaders are embracing a both/and approach to ministry. These episodes offer a candid look at the challenges, opportunities, and mindset shifts required to build lasting Gospel impact in the city.

This conversation is part of a collaboration between Exponential NEXT and MyBLVD, working together to equip and encourage leaders serving on mission in cities across the country.

Host:

Dhati Lewis – Urban Missions NEXT, Director

Guests:

James Hobson – Hill City Community Church (Lynchburg), Pastor

Pete Contreras – New Vision Church (San Diego), Pastor

Category: Urban Missions NEXT

 

EP 121: Hyperlocal Mission02 Sep 202600:46:28

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 121

Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too

Description:

Dhati Lewis and Dale Huntington explore what it means to lead where you live, work, and worship. From neighborhood discipleship to navigating violence, addiction, and broken systems, this episode highlights the depth and complexity of hyperlocal ministry.

This conversation is part of a collaboration between Exponential NEXT and MyBLVD, working together to equip and encourage leaders serving on mission in cities across the country.

Host:

Dhati Lewis – Urban Missions NEXT, Director

Guest:

Dale Huntington – City Life Church (San Diego), Pastor

Category: Urban Missions NEXT

 

EP 120: The Cost of Staying26 Aug 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 120

Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too

Description:

In one of the most personal episodes of the series, Dhati and Angie Lewis open up about the emotional, relational, and spiritual costs of urban ministry and the unexpected gifts that come with it. Together, they reflect on what ministry in the city has cost them, what it has given them, and why healthy support systems are essential for long-term faithfulness. This honest conversation explores calling, sacrifice, enduring, and the deep joys that make the mission worth it.

This conversation is part of a collaboration between Exponential NEXT and MyBLVD, working together to equip and encourage leaders serving on mission in cities across the country.

Host:

Dhati Lewis – Urban Missions NEXT, Director

Guest:

Angie Lewis – MyBLVD, Missionary Care Director

Category: Urban Missions NEXT

 

EP 119: The Mission Field We Avoid19 Aug 202600:58:55

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 119

Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too

Description:

Why do we often think of missions as something that only happens overseas? In this episode, Dhati Lewis is joined by Missie Branch and Isaac Badaraco to help us rethink America’s cities as strategic mission fields and see urban missionaries through a new lens. Together, they explore the realities of staying rooted in difficult contexts, the calling and sacrifice required for long-term ministry, and the support urban missionaries need to faithfully serve where God has placed them.

This conversation is part of a collaboration between Exponential NEXT and MyBLVD, working together to equip and encourage leaders serving on mission in cities across the country.

Host:

Dhati Lewis – Urban Missions NEXT, Director

Guests:

Missie Branch – MyBLVD, CEO

Isaac Badaraco – One Life Christian Church (Long Island), Pastor

Category: Urban Missions NEXT

 

EP 118: Candid Conversation with Andrea Chung12 Aug 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 118

Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Description:

In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Andrea Chung shares her inspiring journey into ministry. She reflects on how a gentle prompting from God during a college summer break opened the door to a life of serving others, and how the faithful legacy of her father’s ministry helped shape her calling. Andrea also shares about planting and leading a church in Orange County, California alongside her husband, Will, offering encouragement to those seeking to faithfully follow God’s leading wherever He calls.

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Noemi Chavez – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Andrea Chung – Beloved Church, Co-Lead Pastor

Category: Women NEXT

 

EP 117: Candid Conversation with Missie Branch05 Aug 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 117

Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Description:

In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Missie Branch shares her journey of faithfully walking with Jesus through various seasons of life, ministry, and leadership. From serving in a church plant to running a baking business to leading MyBLVD, Missie reflects on the importance of helping Christ-followers discover and live out their God-given calling. Her story offers wisdom, encouragement, and a compelling vision for serving God’s mission both within the local church and throughout the marketplace.

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Noemi Chavez – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Missie Branch – MyBLVD, CEO

Links Shared in Episode:

MyBLVD website

Category: Women NEXT

 

EP 116: Candid Conversation with Simi John29 Jul 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 116

Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Description:

In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Simi John shares her passion for preaching and teaching the Gospel both within the local church and through her professional vocation as a physical therapist. Simi reflects on her journey of immigrating from India, the ways God has shaped her faith and calling, and her deep commitment to faithfully teaching Scripture. She also speaks about her heart to encourage and equip women to embrace their God-given calling, helping elevate the voices and leadership of God’s daughters for the flourishing of the Church and the advancement of the Kingdom.

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Noemi Chavez – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Simi John – Speaker/Author

Links Mentioned:

Simi John – Speaker/Author

Category: Women NEXT

 

EP 115: Candid Conversation with Ashley Weece22 Jul 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 115

Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Description:

In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Ashley Weece shares her journey of planting a church alongside her husband while raising a young family. With honesty and grace, she reflects on the joys and challenges of ministry, her passion for serving the Church, and the realities of navigating both affirmation and opposition in her calling. Her story is a powerful testimony of faith, resilience, and faithful obedience to God.

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Noemi Chavez – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Ashley Weece – Iron Coast Church, Associate Pastor

Category: Women NEXT

 

EP 114: Candid Conversation with Vanessa Cruz15 Jul 202600:33:55

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 114

Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Description:

In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, we are joined by Vanessa Cruz as shares thoughtful insights on the discipleship needs of the next generation. Drawing from her work with Urban Youth Workers Institute, she offers a compelling vision for whole-life discipleship and its transformative impact on young people today. Vanessa highlights the importance of shaping not only the future of the Church, but also investing deeply in the spiritual formation, leadership, and flourishing of the next generation in the present.

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Noemi Chavez – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Vanessa Cruz – Urban Youth Workers Institute, Director of Church Leadership

Links Shared in Episode:

Urban Youth Workers Institute

Category: Women NEXT

 

Bonus Episode: 7 Disruptive Church Trends Defining 202614 Jul 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Bonus Episode

Description:

What if the biggest shifts shaping the future of the Church are already happening…and most leaders are just starting to notice?

In this one-hour conversation, Dave Ferguson, Carey Nieuwhof, and Carrie Williams unpack the 7 Disruptive Church Trends Defining 2026…from the surprising rise of Gen Z faith to the quiet crisis of leadership pipelines, from algorithm-driven discipleship to the looming impact of AI.

This isn’t just a trends conversation, it’s a wake-up call and a window of opportunity.

You’ll explore:

  • Why young adults are returning to church in unexpected ways
  • The troubling gap as young women disengage while men re-engage
  • How evangelism is moving from the stage to the street (and screen)
  • Why preaching must shift from content delivery to real encounter
  • The reality that your church is competing with algorithms for discipleship
  • A coming leadership shortage few churches are ready for
  • And how AI will reshape everything…and why the Church might be uniquely positioned to respond

This special bonus podcast episode is both hopeful and sobering…a conversation about renewal, disruption, and what it will take to faithfully lead in a rapidly changing world.

If you care about the future of the Church, this is a conversation you can’t afford to miss.

Hosts:

Dave Ferguson – Exponential CEO, President, and Co-Founder

Carrie Williams – Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Carey Nieuwhof – Best-Selling Author, Speaker, Pastor, and Podcaster

Links Shared in Episode:

2026 Church Trends Report

Exponential National Conferences

West

Central

Women in the Church Survey Report 2025

Category: Exponential NEXT

EP 113: Candid Conversation with Jaime Levi08 Jul 202600:58:36

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 113

Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Description:

In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Jaime Levi shares her journey of deconstruction, being drawn back to following Jesus through the genuine love of two co-workers. Jaime shares that early on her return to following Jesus she heard God say He was going to use her voice, but it has been a journey of navigating working with both healthy and unhealthy leaders. She shares about leaving a toxic church culture, planting a church that struggled, and eventually launching a whole missional network of churches through Trinitas Communities, as well as The New Eve, which is committed to helping women reclaim their voice!

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Noemi Chavez – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Jaime Levi – Trinitas Church, Pastor

Links Shared in Episode:

The New Eve website

Category: Women NEXT

 

EP 112: Exploring Affinity Church Planting01 Jul 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 112

Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting

Description:

What if church planting wasn’t tied to a place—but to a people? In this episode, we will explore anew the conversation surrounding the innovative world of affinity church planting—a model focused on reaching specific communities rather than geographic regions. Join us as we hear from Steven Barr, founder of Cast Member Church, which ministers to Walt Disney Company employees around the world, and Victor Glover, leader of Fathers on the Move, a movement planting churches within federal and state prisons. Through powerful stories and practical insight, they share how relational discipleship, hospitality, and trust-building can lead to deep spiritual transformation—often in places the traditional church may not reach. This conversation challenges conventional models and invites you to imagine how God might be calling you to minister to the people you’re uniquely positioned to reach. This expression is highlighted in a free resource called ‘The Atlas’ which can be found on our website at exponential.org/atlas.

Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Steven Barr, Co-Founder & Visionary Leader, Cast Member Church

Victor Glover, CEO/Executive Director, Fathers on the Move

Links Shared in Episode:

Fathers on the Move

Last Days World Outreach Ministries

Cast Member Church

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

 

EP 111: Exploring Network Church Planting24 Jun 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 111

Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting

Description:

Can a church actually grow by getting smaller? Join Bill Couchenour as we revisit his discussion with Jason Shepperd, founder of Church Project in The Woodlands, Texas, to uncover the secrets to Network Church Planting. Explore the power of relational communities, discover how to cultivate leaders from within, and learn how to use your church building as a shared resource for the community. For pastors curious about transitioning from traditional church models, Jason offers thoughtful advice: start small, lead with biblical conviction, and let the vision take root gradually. This episode invites you to rethink what it means to plant—and multiply—churches in ways that are relational, reproducible, and rooted in everyday life. This expression is highlighted in a free resource called ‘The Atlas’ which can be found on our website at exponential.org/atlas.

Host:

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guest:

Jason Shepperd, Founder and Lead Pastor, Church Project

Links Shared in Episode:

A Church of House Churches: An Articulated and Applied Ecclesiology

churchproject.org

rethinkandreturnpodcast.com

goodgodgospel.com

 

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

 

EP 110: Exploring Microchurch Planting17 Jun 202600:52:28

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 110

Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting

Description:

Forget the building, forget the budget – what if all you needed was your neighbors? Come along as we explore this conversation again with Brian Johnson and Rob Wegner, leaders of the Kansas City Underground, as they share their powerful journey into microchurch planting. The Kansas City Underground equips people to live as missionaries in their own networks through rhythms of prayer, listening, eating, serving, and storytelling. Microchurches—defined as extended spiritual families—emerge from these relational networks, led by unpaid leaders who embrace the mission of Jesus in everyday life. Discover how to empower everyday believers to lead, foster authentic community, and live out the mission of Jesus in their own circles. This episode will challenge your assumptions and inspire you to see ministry opportunities all around you. This expression is highlighted in a free resource called ‘The Atlas’ which can be found on our website at exponential.org/atlas.

Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Rob Wegner, Co-Founder and Director, KC Underground

Brian Johnson, Co-Founder and Director, KC Underground

Links Shared in Episode:

KC Underground

KC Underground YouTube Channel

StarfishyoU Substack

eBooks through EX:

Extraordinary Prayer

Deeply Rooted

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

 

EP 109: Exploring Digital Church Planting10 Jun 202600:34:54

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 109

Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting

Description:

What happens when church planting takes an unexpected turn—and it’s exactly what God intended? In this episode, join us as we take another look at the conversation between our hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour and Justin and Janae Klatt, founders of Imagine Church Global, a fully digital faith community born from obedience and innovation. What began as a traditional church plant in Phoenix shifted online when the Klatts realized people across the country wanted to join—but couldn’t move. Through Spirit-led moments and creative risk-taking, Imagine Church Global emerged as a week-long, app-based experience where “community builders” lead flexible, discussion-driven gatherings. This model reaches those often excluded from physical churches—like flight attendants, RVers, or the homebound around the country and around the world. This episode is a powerful reminder that God moves in unexpected ways—and that new expressions of the Church can meet people right where they are. This expression is highlighted in a free resource called ‘The Atlas’ which can be found on our website at exponential.org/atlas.

Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Justin Klatt – Co-Founder and Co-Pastor, Imagine Church Global

Janae Klatt – Co-Founder and Co-Pastor, Imagine Church Global

Links Shared in Episode:

Imagine.church

IG: @imaginechurchglobal

 

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

 

EP 108: Exploring Entrepreneurial Church Planting03 Jun 202600:47:48

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 108

Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting

Description:

What if your church could fight hunger AND fuel your soul? Let’s revisit the forward-thinking approach of entrepreneurial church planting with our guests, Carl Johnson and Scott Woller. These innovative leaders are embedding their churches in the heart of their communities, using coffee shops, grocery stores, and workforce development programs as powerful expressions of their mission. Whether you’re a church planter, pastor, or just curious about new models of ministry, this episode will challenge and inspire you to think beyond the building—and plant churches that meet people where they are. This expression is highlighted in a free resource called ‘The Atlas’ which can be found on our website at exponential.org/atlas.

Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Carl Johnson, Lead Pastor, Faith City Church Network

Scott Woller, Pastor/Planting Pastor, Corner Church

Links Shared in Episode:

scott@cornerchurch.tv

www.corner.coffee

www.corner.church

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

 

EP 107: Exploring Multisite Church Planting27 May 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 107

Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting

Description:

Is your church ready to reach more people in more places? Join us as we revisit this conversation and dive into the world of multisite church with Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor of The Table Church. Drawing from her own leadership journey, Christy offers a behind-the-scenes look at how her church has reproduced its ministry into multiple locations. She unpacks the vision, strategy, and lessons learned along the way—offering practical insights for any church exploring the multisite church planting model. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation about growth, leadership, and multiplying ministry impact. This expression is highlighted in a free resource called ‘The Atlas’ which can be found on our website at exponential.org/atlas.

Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guest:

Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor, The Table Church

Links Shared in Episode:

Table Resources

Table Crash Course

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

 

EP 106: Cultivating What Outlives You20 May 202600:56:14

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 106

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this episode, Patrick O’Connell and guest Andrew Hoffman discuss the evolution of church planting networks and the shift from isolated ministry to collaborative missional work.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Andrew Hoffman, Bay Area Church Planting Network, Director

Links Shared in Episode:

Bay Area Church Planting Network

Category: Networks NEXT

 

EP 105: From Table to Impact13 May 202600:47:13

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 105

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this episode, Patrick O’Connell is joined by guest Corey Garris to explore the foundational role of networks in church multiplication. Garris, a leader with the Front Range Multiplication Network (FRMN) in Denver, shares insights on shifting from isolated ministry to collaborative action.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Corey Garris – Front Range Multiplication Network, Catalyst

Links Shared in Episode:

Reproducing Network Accelerator

Category: Networks NEXT

 

EP 104: Pruning for Maturity06 May 202600:45:53

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 104

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this episode, Patrick O’Connell speaks with Eric Metcalf, a leader with Exponential and the Chicagoland Collective, about the vital role and challenges of network leadership in church multiplication.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Eric Metcalf, Partnerships Director, Exponential and Chicagoland Collective, Catalyst

Links Shared in Episode:

Chicagoland Collective Website

Category: Networks NEXT

 

EP 103: Designed for Pollination29 Apr 202600:47:34

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 103

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this episode, Patrick O’Connell and Rodrigo Cano explore the transition from isolated to collaborative ministry through the power of networks. Rodrigo shares his extensive experience managing microchurches and leading the Chicagoland Collective, highlighting how shared Kingdom vision can address spiritual needs on a massive scale.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Rodrigo Cano – Chicagoland Collective, Director

Links Shared in Episode:

Chicagoland Collective Website

Category: Networks NEXT

 

EP 102: Soil Before Seed22 Apr 202600:51:15

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 102

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this episode of the Networks NEXT Series, Patrick O’Connell is joined by Selena Freeman, Church Multiplication Catalyst for the Church of the Nazarene. Patrick and Selena dive into a conversation that helps leaders see that networks don’t start with strategy – they start with trust, and that trust has to be intentionally cultivated. Join us for this important conversation.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Selena Freeman, Church Multiplication Catalyst, Church of the Nazarene

Category: Networks NEXT

EP 101: The Lie of Going It Alone15 Apr 202600:40:48

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 101

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this first episode, Patrick O’Connell, Director of Networks NEXT, talks with Mark Neal, COO of Apsire Network and Co-Founder of Clarity Ministries. The conversation in this episode centers around moving from an isolated ministry toward a mission-oriented community and calling leaders back to a shared mission.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Mark Neal, Aspire Network, COO and Clarity Ministries, Co-Founder

Links Shared in Episode:

Clarity Leadership Collective

Aspire Network

Category: Networks NEXT

EP 100: Is Using AI Sinful? 10 Must-Ask Questions About AI in Ministry08 Apr 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 100

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Description:

AI is here, and your congregation has questions. Is it a sin to use it? Will AI replace jobs? And what about your kids using it?

Nils Smith, VP of Marketing for Faith Driven Entrepreneur and founder of Amplify Social Media, walks through the top 10 questions pastors are being asked about artificial intelligence.

Learn how AI can be a tool for organizational efficiency and an “incredible tool” for spreading the Gospel, without replacing the essential human connection and worship the church is built on.

Don’t miss Nils’ answers to the deepest question your members are asking: What makes humans special if AI can do what we do, perhaps even better than we can?

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Nils Smith, Faith Driven Entrepreneur, Vice President and Amplify Social Media, Founder

Category: AI NEXT

EP 99: How Eleven22’s AI Strategy Saves Thousands And Disciples More People01 Apr 202600:40:53

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 99

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Description: Jay Owen, Chief of Ministry Staff at Church of Eleven22, shares how his team builds custom ministry apps in hours using AI-powered tools. His church now creates software solutions for under $3 that used to cost tens of thousands of dollars and take weeks to develop.

In this practical episode, Jay walks through real examples including:

  • A personalized wallpaper creator built in 45 minutes the night before a major presentation
  • A baptism registration system that served nearly 2,000 people
  • A sermon search tool that indexes 890 hours of content
  • Landing pages created for $0.50 in 2 minutes

You’ll learn about vibe coding with tools like Replit, where ideas become working applications through simple descriptions. Jay walks through actual builds, shows troubleshooting in real time, and explains which projects work best for this approach.

Whether you’re tech-savvy or someone who barely likes being on the computer, you’ll discover specific tools and workflows that reduce costs, improve user experience, and create stronger discipleship pathways.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Jay Owen, Church of Eleven22, Chief of Ministry Staff

Category: AI NEXT

EP 98: AI Jiu-Jitsu: How Pastors Can Own the Data and Beat the Robots at Their Own Game25 Mar 202600:30:32

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 98

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Description: AI is a “force multiplier” for the Kingdom, but instead of being a friend or an enemy, you should make AI your frenemy. In this episode, Jason Morris introduces the “Art of AI Jiu-Jitsu”, teaching pastors how to use AI as an “adversarial network” to leverage its power while avoiding its weaknesses.

Since the average church cannot afford to “own the compute” or “own the model,” the speaker argues that the greatest opportunity for pastors to use AI without becoming a commodity is to own the data.

Some of the critical issues to discuss internally with church leadership are:

  1. Own the Prompts: The question of “who owns the prompts” is becoming more valuable than ever, and pastors should reuse and share them among staff to create efficiency and save time.
  2. Build Contextual Equity: Create a knowledge base of best practices around prompts to help onboard new staff and volunteers quickly.
  3. Leverage Context: Since “content is no longer the king… context is”, your unique human context with your church is your “superpower” that AI will never have.
  4. Focus on the Human Element: AI is designed for “dopamine, not truth” and excels at “sycophancy”. Pastors should prioritize relationships, care, and speaking the “cold hard truth”, actions AI cannot produce.

Jason leads the conversation by showing how AI can be used to handle the “grunt work” like administration and research, freeing you to focus on the relationships and community that only humans can provide.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Jason Morris, thechurch.digital, Director of Equipping & Mobilization

Category: AI NEXT

EP 97: Thinking Biblically About AI for Your Church11 Mar 202600:35:33

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 97

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Title: Chad Williams, CEO of FiveQ agency, provides a comprehensive biblical framework for evaluating AI and technology in ministry. Drawing from Scripture, he traces technology through creation, fall, and redemption to help church leaders make wise decisions about emerging tools.

In this episode, Chad addresses the questions your congregation is already asking about AI. He explains why technology reflects God’s creative nature, how sin corrupts its purposes, and how redemption transforms even the most dangerous tools for kingdom impact.

You’ll learn four practical evaluation questions for any technology decision:

• Can I trust the source?

• Is it communicating truth or spreading lies?

• Does it amplify or replace human work?

• Am I creating or just consuming?

Chad demonstrates these principles across five ministry contexts: sermon preparation, administrative tasks, discipleship and pastoral care, outreach and communications, and volunteer training. Each example shows the “human sandwich approach” where human judgment bookends AI processing.

Whether you’re responding to concerned congregation members or evaluating AI tools for your team, you’ll gain theological grounding and practical wisdom for stewarding technology in ministry.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

 

Guest:

Chad Williams, Five Q, CEO

Category: AI NEXT

EP 96: The #1 AI Trend Every Pastor Must Pay Attention To (And Learn In 2026)04 Mar 2026

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 96

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Title: AI just removed the technology barrier that’s been killing your best ministry ideas.

You’ve had this idea for months. A better way to equip parents. A simple volunteer system. A tool that helps your people apply Scripture to daily life. You can see it clearly. You know it would work.

But then: “That would cost thousands.” “We’d need a developer.” Another God-given vision shelved.

Kenny Jahng shows pastors how churches are using AI to create custom ministry solutions by simply describing what they need. No programming. No developers. No massive budget. Just you, having a conversation with AI—and watching it build exactly what you need.

The prayer system your recovery ministry needs. The family discussion tool. The coordination system that fits YOUR church. AI builds it while you focus on ministry.

You’ll see concrete examples, get a simple roadmap, and discover how your pastoral instincts guide AI to serve your vision.

Use AI to build what your people actually need. You already know what’s needed. Now AI makes it possible.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

 

Guest:

Kenny Jahng, AI NEXT, Director

Category: AI NEXT

EP 95: How to Get Started with Agentic AI for Your Church and Ministry25 Feb 202600:57:11

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 95

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Title: How to Get Started with Agentic AI for Your Church and Ministry

Natchi Lazarus breaks down agentic AI in plain language for church leaders who want practical solutions, not complicated tech jargon.

Discover how AI agents work 24/7 on your behalf—creating content, posting to social media, and tracking results while you focus on people. You’ll learn the four essential components of AI agent systems, when to use agents versus simple AI tools, and the SONG framework for implementation.

Get step-by-step guidance to deploy your first AI agents with no-code tools, understand multi-agent workflows, and set up proper guardrails. Whether you’re tech-savvy or a complete beginner, this episode shows you how to transform AI from a confusing buzzword into a practical tool that multiplies your ministry’s gospel impact without requiring coding skills or technical expertise.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Natchi Lazarus – CC Academy, Founder/CEO

Category: AI NEXT

Team Development in a Multiethnic Church Context18 Feb 202600:59:36

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 94

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Team Development in a Multiethnic Church Context

Unity matters in every church: but in a multiethnic church, cultivating a unified staff is both more challenging and more consequential. In this episode, we share transferable truths and practical insights to help leaders build effective, mission-aligned multiethnic teams.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Nirup Alphonse – LIFEGATE Church, Lead Pastor
Lawrence Hicks – Mosaic Church, Executive Pastor
Paul Kroger – Vine & Village, Executive Director

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Disruption: Repurposing the Church to Redeem the Community

Community Engagement: Beyond Rhetoric to Results18 Feb 202600:55:55

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 93

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Community Engagement: Beyond Rhetoric to Results

Pastors often say, “We’re going to take this city for Christ.” But have we ever actually seen that happen? And many churches claim to love their city—but does the city love the church back? In this episode, we’re joined by proven practitioners who share actionable insights for meeting real, empathetic needs in your community at the bridge of Christ’s humanity.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Tommy “Urban D.” Kyllonen – Crossover Church, Lead Pastor
Melissa Mixon – CrossPurpose, VP of Legacy
Rodrigo Cruz – The United Methodist Church, Executive Assistant to the Bishop for the North Georgia Conference

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Disruption: Repurposing the Church to Redeem the Community

The Power of Asking ‘What If?’

Theological Insights for Building a Healthy Multiethnic Church09 Feb 202601:04:08

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 92

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Theological Insights for Building a Healthy Multiethnic Church

New Testament churches were intentionally multiethnic. They were envisioned by Christ in John 17, described by Luke in Acts 11, and prescribed by the apostle Paul throughout his life and writings. In this episode, credible practitioners and scholars come together to discuss the biblical mandate for the multiethnic church.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Derwin Gray – Transformation Church, Lead Pastor
Noemi Chavez – Revive Church, Lead Pastor
Dr. Dominick Hernandez – Talbot School of Theology at Biola University, Associate Professor of Old Testament and Semitics

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Building a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church: Mandate, Commitments, and Practices of a Diverse Congregation

The High Definition Leader: Building Multiethnic Churches in a Multiethnic World

Multiethnic Church Planting, Growth, and Development04 Feb 202601:12:48

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 91

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Multiethnic Church Planting, Growth, & Development

Every church planter faces challenges. Those planting multiethnic churches face even more. Where does the passion come from, and how does the vision become reality? This conversation offers practical insight and quotable wisdom for leaders pursuing healthy, gospel-centered multiethnic churches.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Naeem Fazal – Mosaic Charlotte, Co-Lead Pastor
Kristin Mockler Young – Mosaic Charlotte, Co-Lead Pastor
Bernard Emerson – Tapestry Church, Lead Pastor
Collin Outerbridge – Nona Church, Lead Pastor

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Ex-Muslim: How One Daring Prayer to Jesus Changed a Life Forever

Tomorrow Needs You: Seeing Beauty When You Feel Hopeless

Transitioning from Homogeneity to Healthy Multiethnicity28 Jan 202601:10:46

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 90

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Transitioning from Homogeneity to Healthy Multiethnicity

In this episode experienced practitioners consider the how and what of transitioning a homogenous church into a healthy multiethnic church. Among other things, we explore personal calling, receptivity of denominational churches of over 100 years, prophetic vision and pace of change, how to foster cross-cultural relationships within the body, and turn the power and pleasure of God that uniquely dwells in unity and diversity, outward to impact and engage the community. The longer the conversation goes, the deeper and more actionable the insights—so be sure to stay tuned to the end!

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Libin Abraham – Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, Lead Pastor
Mark Hearn – First Baptist Church of Duluth, Senior Pastor
Oscar Acosta – Bend Church of the Nazarene, Co-Pastor
RJ Strickland – Bend Church of the Nazarene, Co-Pastor

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Technicolor: Inspiring Your Church to Embrace Multicultural Ministry

Building a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church: Mandate, Commitments, and Practices of a Diverse Congregation

 

Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches: Sociological Insights21 Jan 202601:03:44

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 89

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Sociological Insights: Evaluating the Movement Past, Present, and Future

Join sociologists Michael Emerson and Geoge Yancey to consider the history and trajectory of the Multiethnic Church Movement from the late 1990s to the present day. The conversation explores pains and gains over the past twenty-five years and what is needed to press on to maturity over the next quarter of this 100-year movement, which describes what is today the 2nd largest category of churches in the U.S.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Michael Emerson – Rice University, Harry and Hazel Chavanne Fellow in Religion and Public Policy
George Yancey – Baylor University, Professor of Institute for Studies of Religion and Sociology

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Divided by Faith, 1st edition

Divided by Faith, 2nd edition

United by Faith

 

Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches: Developing Your CQ14 Jan 202601:14:22

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 88

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Developing Your CQ®

This episode dives deep into the why, how, and what of developing Cultural Intelligence (CQ®). The conversation explores the four components of CQ—Drive, Knowledge, Strategy, and Action—and explains how pastors, staff teams, and entire churches can strengthen their CQ. With actionable insight and discussion of the CQ assessment tool, this robust interaction offers practical guidance for all who seek to understand diverse others and lead them to walk, work, and worship God together as one in the local church for the sake of the Gospel.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Harry Li – Mosaix Global Network, Senior Consultant
Graham McKeague – Mosaix Global Network, Certified CQ® Facilitator
Jaye Goosby Smith – Pepperdine University, Vice President for Community Belonging and Chief Diversity Officer
Markus Lloyd – Threaded, Founder/CEO

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Mosaix

Ministry Reimagined17 Dec 2025

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 87
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What does it look like to disciple deeply and see that impact multiply widely across communities?

In this challenging and hope-filled episode, host Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, is joined by Walter Harvey of the Wi+H Movement and Paul Watson of the Freedom Initiative. Together, they share innovative, context-specific approaches to discipleship that are helping people grow in faith and become disciple-makers in their own communities.

Walter shares how Wi+H Movement partners with churches and emerging pastors to develop culturally relevant and transformative discipleship strategies. Rooted in relationship and local context, their work equips leaders to disciple effectively in the communities they serve.

Paul brings insight into the powerful work of Freedom Initiative, which is focused on launching disciple-making movements among those impacted by incarceration in the U.S. By equipping believers, prison ministries, and churches, they’re seeing lives transformed, recidivism reduced, and the Kingdom expanded through the power of deep, replicable discipleship.

Whether you’re serving in a traditional church, navigating complex social issues, or longing to see real transformation in your community, this episode offers both inspiration and practical models for making disciples who make disciples.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Walter Harvey, President, Wi+H Movement

Paul Watson, Founder, Freedom Initiative

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

with.city

walter@with.city

@Bishop_WalterHarvey

Bishop Walter Harvey

contagiousdisciplemaking.com

@pauldwatson

Paul D Watson

Ministry Reimagined10 Dec 2025

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 86
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What will it take to raise up the next generation of Kingdom leaders—and how can the Church equip them to thrive?

In this visionary and practical episode, Tom Planck is joined by three catalytic leaders who are deeply invested in multiplying healthy, mission-driven leadership: Jon Wiest of Mobilize the Church, Steve Pike of Urban Islands Project, and Dave Miller of Leadership Pathway. Together, they engage in a powerful conversation about how to find, develop, and unleash change makers for the future of the Church.

Jon shares how Mobilize the Church partners with pastors and local leaders to train and resource the body of Christ for movement and mission. Steve discusses how Urban Islands Project is working across multiple cities to launch coaching clusters that support church starters planting in urban contexts simultaneously. And Dave outlines how Leadership Pathway is helping churches build strong leadership pipelines through intentional, in-house residency programs that consistently raise up high-impact leaders.

If you’re a church leader, coach, planter, or simply someone passionate about leadership development, this episode offers real tools, tested strategies, and fresh inspiration for building the kind of leaders the Church desperately needs.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Jon Wiest, Co-Founder, Mobilize the Church

Steve Pike, President and Founder, Urban Islands Project

Dave Miller, Co-Founder, Leadership Pathway

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

mobilizethechurch.com

nextwave.community

leadershippathway.org

 

Ministry Reimagined03 Dec 202500:43:45

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 85
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What does meaningful ministry look like for the next generation?

In this energizing and insightful episode, Tom Planck is joined by Olivia Williamson of Claim Your Campus and Emma Tautolo of AZ Reach, two leaders who are deeply invested in raising up Gen Z through prayer, leadership, and holistic community engagement.

Olivia shares how Claim Your Campus is mobilizing middle and high school students to pray for their schools and communities, creating a grassroots movement of young people who are spiritually grounded and bold in their faith. Emma brings a powerful perspective from her work with AZ Reach, which empowers Arizona youth through mentorship, skill-building programs, entrepreneurship training, mental health support, and more.

Together, they dive into what it means to reach, equip, and walk alongside a generation navigating immense cultural, emotional, and spiritual challenges. Whether you’re a church leader, youth pastor, parent, or someone passionate about the future of the Church, this conversation offers real stories, practical insights, and fresh vision for engaging Gen Z and beyond.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Olivia Williamson – Director, Claim Your Campus

Emma Tautolo – Executive Director, AZ Reach

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

azreach.com

@azreach

claimyourcampus.com

Claim Your Campus App

@claimyourcampus

Ministry Reimagined26 Nov 2025

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 84
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What if evangelism wasn’t just about sharing the message of Jesus—but about sharing life with others?

In this inspiring and deeply practical episode, host Tom Planck is joined by Akie Hadeed, Founder of Streets of Prayer, and Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder and Executive Director of The Brook. Together, they explore the transformative power of relational evangelism, where faith is shared not from a platform but from the context of real, everyday relationships.

Akie shares the global vision behind Streets of Prayer, an app and movement aiming to raise up a billion Spirit-filled followers of Jesus to cover every person and every place in persistent prayer by the year 2030. Molly brings her passion for multiplying everyday disciple-makers through The Brook, a movement mobilizing young professionals to live out the Gospel across generations.

This conversation offers encouragement, strategy, and a renewed vision for how personal connection can open doors for spiritual transformation. Whether you’re in full-time ministry or simply want to love your neighbors better, you’ll be equipped and inspired to live and lead as a bridge builder in your own community.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Akie Hadeed, CEO/Founder, Streets of Prayer

Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder & Executive Director, The Brook

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

streetsofprayer.com

thebrook.city

@thebrook.city

 

Ministry Reimagined19 Nov 202500:49:28

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 83
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What does ministry look like when the church goes beyond four walls and into the digital world?

In this thought-provoking and timely episode, host Tom Planck sits down with Anne Bosarge, founder of Digital Discipleship and Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor of Lux Digital Church, to explore how technology is reshaping the way we reach, disciple, and walk with people in their faith journeys.

Anne and Mark share their unique perspectives on building real, authentic relationships, even when those relationships begin on a screen. From online prayer and community to virtual mentorship and spiritual formation, we unpack both the incredible opportunities and real challenges of doing ministry in digital spaces.

Whether you’re leading a church, launching a digital ministry, or just wondering how to better engage people online, this conversation will expand your vision for what’s possible. Ministry in the digital era isn’t about replacing face-to-face connection; it’s about leveraging technology to make the Gospel more accessible than ever before.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Anne Bosarge, Founder, Digital Discipleship

Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor, Lux Digital Church

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

digitaldiscipleship.online

Digital Discipleship: Reimagining the Great Commission in a Digital World

luxdigitalchurch.com

mark@luxdigitalchurch.com

 

Ministry Reimagined12 Nov 202500:43:13

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 82
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What happens when the Church doesn’t wait for people to come but goes to where they already are?

In this insightful and energizing episode hosted by Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, sits down with Drew Cline of South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe and Shane Boyd of Gathering of Nomads to explore what it truly means to be a sent community. These two leaders are reaching people in vastly different, but equally impactful, contexts: Drew is engaging and discipling people in and around Central Arkansas, while Shane is ministering to individuals and families living in RV parks across the country.

Together, they share powerful stories and practical strategies for how they’re discipling, equipping, and mobilizing believers outside of traditional church models. From house gatherings and mobile communities to persistent presence and relational evangelism, this episode unpacks fresh, contextual approaches to ministry that meet people where they are – literally.

If you’re passionate about church planting, mission-driven community, or reimagining how the Gospel moves in the world today, this conversation will inspire and challenge you to think beyond the building.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Drew Cline, Elder & Lead Pastor, South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe

Shane Boyd, Founder, Gathering of Nomads

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

gatheringofnomads.com

gatheringofneighbors.com

southcity.org

dcline@southcity.org

317.coffee

A Called Generation05 Nov 2025

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 81
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode welcomes Austin Rockwell, founder of Kamp Love and leader with Nissi Young Adults. Austin is a passionate disciple-maker whose journey has shaped thriving ministries for college students and young adults across the country.

Every calling comes with a cost but the transformation is worth it.

Carrie and Austin dive into the often-unspoken realities behind growth, leadership, and living out your purpose. Austin shares deeply from his own story; navigating grief and purpose after the tragic loss of his best friend, using that pain as fuel to launch Kamp Love, and persevering through seasons of doubt, exhaustion, and sacrifice. His journey paints a raw and hopeful picture of what it really means to step into God’s call, day after day.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

  • How setbacks, loss, and struggle can become the very foundation for your greatest impact
  • What it looks like to keep serving when the path is unclear and ministry feels costly
  • The spiritual and emotional price of becoming who you’re meant to be—and how God meets you in the “messy middle”
  • Stories from Kamp Love’s growth and Nissi Young Adults—reminders that the deepest transformation often comes outside your comfort zone
  • Practical encouragement for leading, loving, and pressing forward, even when the journey feels uphill

Austin’s perspective is honest and hope-filled, shaped by hundreds of camping trips, thousands of lives impacted, and countless lessons learned on the front lines of ministry. Whether you’re a leader, volunteer, or simply hungry to grow, this episode will invite you to count the true cost and embrace the beautiful, hard, and redemptive work of becoming.

You are not alone. Every part of your story, no matter the cost, is preparing you for a purpose greater than you imagine.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Austin Rockwell, Founder, Kamp Love

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

kamplove.org

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