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What ‘never forget’ means 25 years later10 sept. 202601:14:14

FDNY Chief of Department John Esposito recounts FDNY’s devastating losses, the decisions that saved thousands of lives and why honoring 9/11 means preparing the next generation to meet the moment

Twenty-five years after Sept. 11, 2001, FDNY Chief of Department John Esposito joins podcast hosts Jim Dudley, Rob Lawrence and Aaron Zamzow of Police1’s Policing Matters, EMS1's EMS One-Stop and FireRescue1’s Better Every Shift for a deeply personal conversation about 9/11, its enduring impact and the lessons that continue to shape fire, EMS and law enforcement. Esposito was a newly promoted FDNY lieutenant on Sept. 11, 2001. He recalls returning to the city after the towers fell, the collapse of command and communications, the desperate effort to account for missing members, and the realization that FDNY had suffered unimaginable losses.

The discussion moves beyond remembrance to examine what emergency services learned: stronger accountability, controlling self-deployment, incident management teams, interoperable communications, interagency cooperation, intelligence sharing and peer support. Esposito also reflects on the continuing toll of World Trade Center-related illness and explains why “never forget” must mean more than remembering 343 names. For him, it means remembering the decisions responders made, the conditions they faced and the thousands of lives their actions helped save. His challenge to today’s generation is simple: know your job, keep learning, take care of your people and ask whether you are prepared to “measure up” to those who came before.

Key quotes from FDNY Chief of Department John Esposito

“Never forget is not just their names and who they were, how they lived their lives, and most importantly, the decisions that they made that day and the actions that they took.”

“They're like, ‘No, we think we lost everybody.’ And that was when it started to sink in that no, this is gonna be as bad as it could be.”

“If we never showed up and we had no losses that day, the loss of civilians is in the tens of thousands.”

“This is your legacy. This is our legacy, this is what we do, and these are the people that did this before us.”

“I believe that some of them knew that they were not going to make it home that night. And they still did their job.”

“September twelfth came, the doors of the firehouse went up, people got on fire trucks, and they went out and did their job.”

“It was like an all-star team that we lost. Some of the best people to ever do this job we lost that day.”

“I see my job here and our job in this building and headquarters is to take care of the people that take care of the city.”

“We have no idea. We're in a firehouse or an ambulance one second and in five minutes we could be in the worst situation we've ever been in.”

“It's our job to make sure that the people in the field are prepared and when they need something, it's our job to get it for them.”

Episode timeline

00:27 – Introduction: EMS1, FireRescue1 and Police1 come together to reflect on 25 years since September 11

02:28 – Introduction: FDNY Chief of Department John Esposito

03:23 – Chief Esposito recalls Sept. 11, 2001 as a newly promoted lieutenant with a day off and plans to study for the captain’s exam

04:28 – Chief Esposito details arriving in lower Manhattan and finding command structures and communications devastated

05:04 – The desperate process of identifying who was alive, missing or lost

07:00 – Chief Esposito describes his initial response and why he never imagined the towers could collapse

09:00 – “We think we lost everybody.” When the magnitude of FDNY's losses began to become clear

09:30 – Accountability and self-deployment emerge as major lessons from 9/11

10:00 – How FDNY now wants off-duty members to report to firehouses and EMS stations rather than directly to an incident

10:30 – Modern digital accountability, riding lists and identifiable radio transmissions compared with 2001's paper systems

12:00 – The human factor: firefighters desperate to get aboard apparatus headed toward the World Trade Center

12:30 – Leadership decisions that removed extra firefighters from overloaded apparatus ultimately saved lives

14:00 – The continuing human toll: FDNY's memorial walls and deaths from World Trade Center-related illness

16:30 – How FDNY will commemorate the 25th anniversary

17:30 – Why September 11 remembrance is intensely personal for individual firefighters and families

21:00 – Chief Esposito discusses the emotional effect September 11 continues to have on him

22:00 – “Never forget” means remembering actions and decisions, not merely names

24:00 – The actions of responders helped prevent civilian deaths potentially reaching into the tens of thousands

25:00 – Managing the overwhelming desire of responders to help during catastrophic incidents

27:30 – How outside incident management teams helped FDNY solve problems after 9/11

28:30 – FDNY repaying the assistance it received through deployments around the United States

30:00 – How today's incident command and dispatch systems control resources and prevent uncontrolled response

31:42 – Sponsor message

32:30 – Improved interagency collaboration between FDNY, NYPD and other agencies

36:00 – Peer support, firehouse culture and challenging the stereotype that firefighters do not talk about emotional distress

38:30 – How FDNY's peer-support system works after difficult incidents

42:30 – September 11 demonstrated why the fire service needs to be part of the intelligence community

44:00 – FDNY members are trained to recognize suspicious activity during routine fire and EMS responses

46:00 – How information spotted by firefighters may become the missing piece in a larger investigation

48:30 – What Chief Esposito wants responders who were not alive on 9/11 to understand

49:00 – “This is our legacy.” Measuring today's performance against those who came before

52:00 – Know your job and do your job — while recognizing that not every emergency fits an SOP

52:30 – A recent Bronx explosion illustrates the need to adapt principles to situations for which no exact procedure exists

53:30 – Applying the overarching principles of life safety and rescue when the situation is unprecedented

54:30 – What does “never forget” mean 25 years later?

55:30 – September 12: despite catastrophic losses, FDNY opened its firehouses and continued protecting New York City

56:30 – Chief Esposito describes those killed as “an all-star team” and some of the best ever to do the job

58:00 – Aaron Zamzow reflects on the responsibility to “measure up”

59:30 – The nationwide impact of 9/11 and seeing FDNY remembered on apparatus thousands of miles from New York

1:01:30 – Jim Dudley reflects on intelligence, prevention and acting on warning signs

1:03:30 – Chief Esposito discusses the difficulty of measuring successful prevention

1:05:00 – Warning signs, intelligence and lessons shared with other historic disasters

1:06:00 – Rob Lawrence reflects on September 12 and the emergency services reality that tomorrow brings another shift

1:07:00 – “At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember.”

1:08:00 – Esposito discusses how 9/11 affected his career and leadership journey

1:09:00 – Leadership, doing the right thing and measuring decisions against the memory of colleagues lost

1:10:00 – “Take care of the people that take care of the city.”

1:11:30 – Emergency responders never know when the next call will become the worst situation they have ever faced

1:12:00 – The responsibility to ensure frontline personnel are prepared and supported

1:12:30 – Closing message: “Keep learning and keep moving forward.”

About our sponsor

This crossover episode of the Policing Matters, Better Every Shift and EMS One-Stop podcasts is sponsored by FirstNet — the only wireless network built with and for first responders.

Twenty-five years ago, first responders faced an emergency unlike any other. They stepped forward to protect and care for others, demonstrating extraordinary courage and resolve. This September 11th, we remember and honor those who answered the call. The example they set endures through the values that continue to inspire the profession today.

Learn more about FirstNet, Built with AT&T, at www.firstnet.com.

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Data versus Darwin with Todd Stout04 sept. 202600:37:35

AI may feel like the newest revolution in EMS, but the industry's relationship with data has been evolving for decades. In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with FirstWatch founder Todd Stout, whose 28 years working with EMS data gives him a particularly long view of where the industry has been and where it is heading.

Todd traces the journey from an era when monthly reports printed on green-bar paper were considered normal, to today's world of real-time dashboards, cloud-based systems and enormous volumes of operational and clinical information. The challenge has changed: EMS no longer suffers primarily from a lack of data; leaders now need technology that can identify what matters, separate signal from noise and turn information into decisions.

That makes AI extraordinarily promising — and potentially dangerous. Todd explains why he is more excited about the next 3-5 years than at any point in his career, while simultaneously being more concerned about the next 8-10 months. Rob and Todd discuss unreliable AI outputs, data security, HIPAA and privacy, the risks associated with startups and what EMS leaders should ask before entrusting vendors with organizational or patient data. They also examine the urgent need for EMS agencies to establish AI policies and train their workforce on responsible use.

Todd concludes with a preview of FirstWatch's next generation of AI-enabled tools and a broader message for EMS leaders: the organizations that thrive through this technology shift will not necessarily be those with the newest technology, but those capable of adapting, learning and using it responsibly.

Additional resources:

Memorable quotes
  • "I'm more excited about the next 3-5 years than I've ever been, I am also more scared about the next 8-10 months for our industry than I've ever been because it's so messy." — Todd Stout

  • "Nobody gets into EMS to be excellent data enterers." — Todd Stout

  • "AI well formed — with the proper bumpers, guidelines, rules around it — is astonishingly good at processing through lots of data." — Todd Stout

  • "If you're not paying for the thing that you're using, you are the product." — Todd Stout

  • "AI to many people seems like magic. And it's the opposite of magic almost. It's a lot of work and plumbing to get it right." — Todd Stout

Episode timeline
  • 00:27 – Rob introduces the episode and the evolution of EMS data, information and AI

  • 01:54 – Twenty-eight years of FirstWatch: from Stout Solutions to today's real-time data environment

  • 03:57 – Looking back at EMS's early adoption of real-time operational data

  • 05:18 – Why immediate data can improve individual performance and expose problems with systems and protocols

  • 06:24 – The "ah, buts:" gut instinct versus what the data actually shows

  • 07:19 – Dirty data, disconnected systems and why organizations sometimes don't believe their own numbers

  • 09:45 – EMS has moved from too little information to information overload

  • 10:31 – How AI can sift through enormous amounts of data and identify what leaders actually need to know

  • 11:22 – The accuracy problem: AI can produce impressive outputs while struggling with surprisingly basic tasks

  • 12:39 – Todd explains why he is simultaneously excited and concerned about the immediate future of AI in EMS

  • 14:35 – How EMS leaders can become better, more discerning customers of AI technology

  • 15:10 – Established technology partners versus innovative AI startups

  • 17:00 – What happens to your organization's data if an AI vendor fails or goes out of business?

  • 17:41 – HIPAA, privacy, cybersecurity and employee data obligations

  • 18:11 – Sponsor break

  • 19:26 – Part two: protecting patient and organizational information when using AI

  • 20:18 – AI training models, data sharing and why leaders need to understand vendors' default settings

  • 22:44 – The pace of change: today's AI expertise can become outdated within weeks

  • 23:08 – Preparing for the wave of "AI everything" appearing in EMS exhibit halls

  • 23:45 – Questions EMS leaders should ask prospective AI vendors

  • 25:20 – Why AI isn't magic — and why implementation requires significant work behind the scenes

  • 27:08 – The case for every EMS organization having an AI policy now

  • 27:41 – Todd warns that employees are almost certainly already using AI, sometimes without understanding the privacy implications

  • 28:21 – Why AI education should resemble cybersecurity education: policy, training, suspicion and continual reinforcement

  • 30:13 – Preview of FirstWatch Collaborate and the company's next generation of technology

  • 31:02 – FirstWatch 2.0, AI-enabled mobile tools and workload management

  • 31:55 – Reflect: incorporating patient satisfaction alongside operational and clinical performance

  • 33:34 – Why rapid patient feedback can be more meaningful to crews than retrospective monthly scores

  • 35:19 – Todd's closing message: EMS is good at adapting and improvising, and technology can make the job easier

  • 36:22 – Rob's takeaway: adapt, innovate, become a discerning AI customer and establish an organizational AI policy

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Liz Harney on the human side of EMS01 sept. 202600:55:18

This week on EMS One-Stop, I sit down with Liz Harney, almost a year after I first walked into a classroom at EMS World Expo looking for another session to report on and found what I later described as “the keynote I didn’t know I needed.”

Liz’s presentation was built around a part of EMS education we routinely acknowledge but rarely give equal billing: the affective domain — empathy, communication, professionalism, self-awareness and the ability to connect with another human being in what may be the worst moment of their life.

But the real power came from Liz herself. Before she was a paramedic, educator and EMS leader, she was the patient. At the lowest point of a decade-long struggle with addiction, one paramedic looked beyond the overdose, the circumstances and the judgement, and treated her as a person who still mattered.

Liz credits that interaction not simply with helping save her clinically, but with changing the trajectory of her life. She recovered, entered EMS and ultimately became the kind of paramedic she had encountered that day.

It is a remarkable journey from patient to paramedic, and in this conversation, Liz explains why that experience now sits at the heart of everything she teaches about the human side of EMS.

| MORE: Liz Harney — the affective domain is the heart of EMS, so why aren’t we teaching it?

Our discussion also catches up with where Liz’s thinking has evolved since. In her recent EMS1 article, “Shiny Happy People,” she takes that same belief in people and applies it to EMS leadership, challenging professionals that is exceptionally good at identifying everything that might go wrong not to let that instinct extinguish every new idea before it gets moving.

Together, we connect those themes: the provider who changed one patient’s life, the importance of deliberately teaching the affective domain, turning cynics into champions, recognizing burnout through QA and QI, and creating leadership teams with enough optimism and emotional intelligence (EI) to make change happen.

At a time when EMS is increasingly consumed by another form of intelligence (AI), the conversation comes back to a proposition I think matters more and more: if we are going to get good at AI, we first need to get much better at EI.

Additional resources:

Key quotes
  • “It truly was a paramedic that not only saved me in a clinical sense, but she saved me in a human sense.” — Liz Harney
  • “Everybody has a story and they’re all a little the same, but they’re all very different at the same time.” — Liz Harney
  • “It’s our role as educators and program directors to be able to ensure that we are instilling, improving the affective domain, just as we are the cognitive and the psychomotor.” — Liz Harney
  • “You created from the cynic, turned them into the champion, and then the champion then took that back to their own service.” — Rob Lawrence
  • “I am the dreamer, probably because I have forged myself out of the depths of hell.” — Liz Harney
  • “Look at me, anything is possible. Like there is never a ‘no’ in my language.” — Liz Harney
  • “In order to build, in order to make change, in order to move the needle, you have to have folks that are strong in EI to make that happen.” — Liz Harney
  • “There’s always room for improvement.” — Liz Harney
  • “I may not be able to teach everyone to care, but I absolutely think you can teach people what caring looks like in practice.” — Liz Harney
  • “No one’s ever complained about the gauge of needle that we used, but they’ve certainly complained that the medic was mean.” — Rob Lawrence
  • “People underestimate the power of storytelling, but I’m here to tell you that is what creates the change into someone, that changes their perspective.” — Liz Harney
Episode timeline
  • 00:00 — Harney on surviving addiction, being written off and the potential EMS providers have to influence another person’s future
  • 01:02 — Rob welcomes listeners to EMS One-Stop and introduces Liz Harney
  • 02:14 — How Rob first encountered Harney at EMS World Expo and why he describes her presentation as “the keynote I didn’t know I needed”
  • 02:40 — Liz Harney 101: critical care paramedicine, organizational leadership, Baptist Health, Kentucky EMS workforce initiatives and Paramedic Pathways
  • 04:10 — Harney reflects on the rapid growth of her speaking platform and why sharing her story remains difficult but necessary
  • 05:32 — The human side of EMS: affect, emotional intelligence and why clinical competence alone is not enough
  • 08:10 — AI versus EI: why Lawrence argues that increasingly intelligent technology makes human emotional intelligence even more important
  • 09:00 — From patient to paramedic: Harney recounts the interaction with the paramedic who changed the direction of her life
  • 18:33 — Revealing her past to colleagues and students, and how that story changes attitudes toward people experiencing addiction
  • 22:08 — Why simply telling EMS students to care does not work — and how Harney began using clinical rotations and direct patient interaction to build the affective domain
  • 23:18 — “Everybody has a story:” students hear directly from people in addiction recovery
  • 25:23 — The cynic-to-champion story: a student’s dismissive attitude toward patients with addiction is transformed through one clinical rotation
  • 31:00 — Educating not simply for cognitive and psychomotor competence, but for the clinician the student is becoming
  • 32:15 — Harney moves from education into leadership and begins seeing the same issues around decision-making tables
  • 33:19 — The case for optimism: Harney describes herself as a dreamer and explains how persistent negativity can kill innovation
  • 34:04 — Lawrence’s rule: “If we do what we always did, we’ll get what we always got”
  • 36:27 — Why potential barriers matter — but introducing every possible objection too early can destroy an idea before it develops
  • 38:02 — “Shiny, happy people:” the discussion turns to Harney’s article on optimism, innovation and assembling teams capable of making change
  • 39:02 — Harney describes Kentucky’s EMS workforce committee and what happened when a group of optimistic problem-solvers started building ideas without immediately saying “no”
  • 41:00 — Choosing the right people for decision-making groups: why names, titles and tenure should not outweigh emotional intelligence
  • 41:59 — Harney defines EI: self-awareness, self-regulation, communication and empathy
  • 45:00 — “You can teach people what caring looks like in practice.”
  • 45:15 — Lawrence asks whether EMS can genuinely change the affect and attitudes of a generation of clinicians
  • 46:39 — Protecting the workforce: recognizing behavioral changes, cumulative exposure and the early warning signs of burnout
  • 47:41 — QA/QI as more than clinical oversight: documentation can expose frustration and changes in provider behavior
  • 48:07 — The leadership question: “What can I do for you?”
  • 49:27 — The power of storytelling to challenge judgment and change perspectives
  • 49:49 — Harney returns to her own experience: addiction, being cast off and ultimately demonstrating that recovery and transformation are possible
  • 51:10 — Harney’s closing message: “You don’t have to understand someone’s life to understand your responsibility to them.”
  • 52:41 — Turning QA/QI from a fault-finding function into a mechanism for recognizing providers, celebrating success and checking on people carrying heavy cognitive and emotional loads
  • 54:10 — Lawrence recommends seeing Harney speak: “You will come away emotional but enlightened.”

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EMS One-Stop: The EMS research every clinician should be reading21 août 202600:36:38

EMS research has grown rapidly, but finding the studies that truly matter to everyday clinical practice remains a challenge. In this edition of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by Dr. Christopher Richards, EMS and emergency physician at the University of Cincinnati; and Dr. Christian Martin-Gill, chief of the Division of EMS at the University of Pittsburgh and former president of the Prehospital Guidelines Consortium, to discuss the recently published EMS research reading list and the effort to identify the most important evidence EMS clinicians and medical directors should know about.

The discussion explores how the reading list was created; why a significant gap remains between publication and implementation; and how EMS can better translate research into education, protocols and patient care.

Richards and Martin-Gill explain the mix of evidence-based guidelines, position statements, systematic reviews and original research included in the project, while highlighting major gaps in behavioral emergencies, pediatrics, obstetrics, workforce wellness and EMS operations.

The message is clear: EMS practitioners should not wait for new research to appear in their protocols. They should read it, discuss it, question current practice and, where evidence is lacking, consider contributing to research that closes the gap.

Additional resources:

  • Richards CT, Cash RE, Crowe RP, et al. 2026. “Developing an emergency medical services research reading list for emergency medical services practitioners.” Prehospital Emergency Care, 1-6. https://doi.org/10.1080/10903127.2026.2693158

  • EMS1 Research Center. A central access point for critical research that can help drive operational and policy changes

  • Understanding research and its impact on patient care. David Page, MS; Hezedean Smith, DM; and Ayanna Walker, MD, share best practices for evaluating and interpreting prehospital research 

Key quotes
  • “With EMS research, there's always something missing. There's always more that we can do.” — Dr. Christian Martin-Gill

  • “What we're seeing here, particularly over the last decade, is these organizations working less as silos and moving more towards working together when it makes sense to do that.” — Dr. Christian Martin-Gill

  • “We didn't go in actually feeling like we needed to identify 10 primary research or professional statements that complemented the guidelines that were already identified through the systematic review. But there was just a natural break point there.” — Dr. Christopher Richards

  • “There are a number of position statements that are published by national and international organizations that are key scientific literature out there that people need to be paying attention to.” — Dr. Christian Martin-Gill

  • “Still there is research lacking in what the EMS clinicians themselves experience as part of the workforce — safety on scene, wellness, these sort of questions.” — Dr. Christopher Richards

  • “The behavioral emergency space I think is really important right now.” — Dr. Christian Martin-Gill

Episode timeline
  • 01:09 – Rob introduces the episode and welcomes Drs. Christopher Richards and Christian Martin-Gill

  • 02:16 – Dr. Richards introduces his EMS, emergency medicine and research background

  • 03:18 – Dr. Martin-Gill discusses his role at the University of Pittsburgh, UPMC and the Prehospital Guidelines Consortium

  • 04:15 – Why does EMS need a dedicated research reading list?

  • 07:11 – Where can EMS practitioners currently go to identify the research that really matters?

  • 09:13 – Moving research into protocols, practice and clinical care

  • 11:15 – Can the Prehospital Guidelines Consortium help align the many organizations producing EMS clinical guidance?

  • 13:41 – Breaking down the different categories of publications on the reading list

  • 14:47 – Evidence-based guidelines included in the broader reading list

  • 15:49 – Position statements covering hemorrhage, restraint, air medical utilization and workforce issues

  • 16:26 – Systematic reviews addressing airway management and prehospital evidence-based guidelines

  • 16:51 – Four original research papers, including refractory VF, pain disparities, evidence integration and midazolam use

  • 18:58 – How the research reading list was actually developed

  • 19:32 – The open call for EMS research submissions

  • 20:10 – The project is ongoing, with submissions continuing for the next iteration

  • 20:42 – Expert panel review, scoring and the natural cutoff that produced the final 10

  • 23:18 – What important EMS research is still missing?

  • 24:37 – Gaps in airway, pediatric and behavioral emergency evidence

  • 26:08 – Dr. Richards highlights workforce, safety, wellness and operational research gaps

  • 28:18 – Which areas should future EMS researchers investigate?

  • 28:31 – Martin-Gill highlights behavioral, obstetric and pediatric emergencies as priorities

  • 30:12 – Richards explains how everyday frustrations in EMS can become important research questions

  • 32:12 – Final thoughts on the paper and the breadth of the reading list

  • 33:37 – Martin-Gill discusses access to research and why highlighting important publications matters

  • 35:05 – Turning reading into discussion, protocol review and further research

  • 35:58 – Rob closes with a challenge to read, question, discuss and contribute to EMS research

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Knoxville’s Mission District model takes EMS beyond the 911 call16 août 202600:39:40

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence speaks with Wesley Brookshear, critical care paramedic and FTO program supervisor with AMR in Knoxville, Tennessee, about a community-led effort that is changing how EMS responds to the city’s Mission District. What began as an attempt to understand unusually high 911 utilization has evolved into a multidisciplinary outreach program bringing EMS, public health, addiction services, shelter providers, clinicians and other community organizations directly to Knoxville’s unhoused population. By concentrating on relationships, consistency and basic human needs, the initiative has produced a reported 32% reduction in traditional EMS call volume while dramatically expanding access to wound care, food, addiction treatment, mental health support, nurse navigation and other services.

Wesley explains why the program’s success is less about creating another specialized EMS unit and more about connecting people to the resources that already exist. The team initially arrived without uniforms, handed out fruit, listened and built trust before attempting to provide care. Two years later, the program has recorded thousands of encounters, helped more than 140 people enter treatment or sober living and generated remarkably few ambulance transports from its outreach activity. The conversation explores how other EMS systems can identify high-utilization areas, develop community partnerships, protect the mental health of outreach staff and start small—even with a single motivated employee.

Above all, Wesley argues that EMS has an opportunity to move beyond simply transporting patients and instead become the connector that gets people to the care and resources they actually need.

Additional resources:

Key quotes
  • “We did go down without our EMS uniforms on. We went in black t-shirts, blue jeans and started making connections.” — Wesley Brookshear

  • “We have noticed a 32% reduction in our normal call volume down at the mission since we started this program 2 years ago.” — Wesley Brookshear

  • “MIH, mobile integrated healthcare, isn't a title; it's actually a list. It's mobile, it's integrated and it's healthcare.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “This is not Wesley Brookshear, this is not AMR, this is an entire community of Knox County citizens that are coming together to support.” — Wesley Brookshear

  • “We talk about the homeless or the unhoused, and I do use both terms, but the unhoused, and we act like it's those individuals; it's never those individuals, those are humans within your community.” — Wesley Brookshear

  • “My mission wasn't admission avoidance, it was arrival avoidance.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “Our folks are wrapping their own wounds now. We are providing supplies. We are giving education.” — Wesley Brookshear

  • “Do not go down with the idea that you're going to cure this idea that homelessness is going to go away.” — Wesley Brookshear

Episode timeline

00:49 – Rob introduces the episode and the concept of specialist teams focused on populations at risk

01:52 – Wesley introduces himself, AMR Knoxville and the multidisciplinary Mission District outreach team

03:25 – Identifying concentrated 911 utilization around the North Broadway area

04:22 – The headline result: a 32% reduction in normal call volume after 2 years

05:08 – Building services around Maslow’s hierarchy of needs: food, water, shelter and safety

06:10 – How the project began with surveys asking community members what they actually needed

06:50 – Wesley emphasizes that homelessness should be understood as a human and community issue

08:05 – Building partnerships and establishing a consistent Tuesday outreach presence

08:28 – Why the team initially attended in jeans and black t-shirts rather than EMS uniforms

10:10 – Rotating team members to manage emotional and mental-health pressures

11:27 – Training new outreach personnel and protecting the culture of the program

12:10 – The practical work: washing wounds, basic dressings and human contact

13:02 – Patients begin managing and dressing their own wounds with education and supplies

13:26 – Taking CPR and Stop the Bleed education directly into the Mission District

14:00 – Using GMR nurse navigation to expand access to alternative care and follow-up

16:09 – Nurse navigation, mental-health pathways and bypassing the emergency department when appropriate

18:28 – Discussion resumes: community paramedicine versus mobile integrated healthcare

19:23 – Rob defines MIH as “mobile, integrated and healthcare”

20:01 – Building relationships with partner organizations beyond the street-level outreach work

21:23 – Program numbers: approximately 4,800 encounters, 515-plus people served, 140-plus entering treatment or sober living, and only nine outreach encounters requiring ambulance transport

22:14 – A frostbite patient whose feet were saved through coordinated community intervention

24:23 – Wesley reflects on severe wounds, winter outreach and the impact of simple acts of care

25:18 – Where another EMS chief should start: find the hot spots and find someone who cares

26:39 – Starting small and expanding services gradually through community partnerships

27:08 – Why handing someone a resource list is not enough

27:36 – EMS as clinicians and navigators rather than simply a transport service

28:50 – Rob discusses “arrival avoidance” and directing patients into appropriate pathways of care

29:51 – The minimum viable program: one person who builds connections and physically links patients to resources

30:42 – Costs, donated supplies and the operational value of reducing unnecessary 911 demand

31:55 – The broader return: increased ambulance availability and potentially improved workforce engagement

33:14 – What not to do: don't approach outreach expecting to “solve homelessness”

33:43 – Managing compassion fatigue and rotating team members

34:58 – Food, coffee and small gestures as tools for relationship-building

35:26 – Challenging assumptions about who becomes unhoused

36:51 – Wesley's closing message: seek opportunities for EMS to grow and approach vulnerable populations with compassion

38:38 – Rob closes the episode with a challenge to EMS leaders: start something, even if it is small

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Grant funding demystified with Anya Otterson07 août 202600:31:40

Finding grant funding can feel overwhelming, particularly for smaller EMS and fire agencies where one person often wears multiple hats.

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Lexipol Grant Writer and Colorado Firefighter-Paramedic Anya Otterson to demystify the grant-writing process.

From identifying funding priorities and locating grant opportunities, to building a compelling case backed by data, Anya provides a practical roadmap for agencies looking to secure funding for equipment, staffing and operational improvements. She explains why success starts with clearly defining organizational needs, understanding grant priorities, and assembling evidence that demonstrates both community impact and operational necessity.

The discussion explores the complete grant lifecycle, from preparing competitive applications, through to post-award reporting and compliance. Anya emphasizes that strong grant applications combine hard data with real patient stories, while Rob shares lessons learned from managing successful Assistance to Firefighters Grants (AFG) and transportation safety grants.

They also discuss how AI tools such as ChatGPT can accelerate research when used appropriately — but caution against relying on AI to write narratives outright. The episode concludes with encouragement for agencies to not be discouraged by unsuccessful applications, reminding listeners that grant writing is an iterative process where persistence and continual improvement often lead to success.

Additional resources Key quotes
  • "The data and statistics are incredibly important when writing grants, but to try to set yourself apart, I do like to have a little bit more of a personal touch." — Anya Otterson

  • "Figure out what kinds of things you want funding for and prioritize it." — Anya Otterson

  • "You've got to be in it to win it." — Rob Lawrence

  • "Give yourself enough time. This is not a day-before kind of thing." — Anya Otterson

  • "Making sure that everybody's on the same page is critical because this is not something you can really do in a silo." — Anya Otterson

  • "Never be afraid to reach out to the funding agency with questions. Their job is to help you through the process." — Anya Otterson

  • "ChatGPT should not be writing your narratives for you." — Anya Otterson

  • "If you don't get funded the first time, keep trying." — Anya Otterson

  • "The juice is worth the squeeze." — Rob Lawrence

Episode timeline
  • 00:00 – Introduction and why so many EMS leaders struggle to know where to begin with grants

  • 01:30 – Meet Firefighter-Paramedic and Lexipol Grant Writer Anya Otterson

  • 03:00 – The first step: identifying and prioritizing organizational funding needs

  • 04:00 – Where to find grants, including GrantFinder, ChatGPT, state resources and direct outreach

  • 05:45 – Overview of FEMA's Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) program

  • 07:00 – Understanding funding priorities and why high-priority requests have the greatest chance of success

  • 09:00 – Building a compelling grant narrative using statistics, research and patient stories

  • 12:30 – Grant writing best practices: answer the questions, proofread thoroughly and involve leadership early

  • 15:50 – Importance of organizational buy-in and internal communication

  • 17:20 – Understanding grant requirements, matching funds and funding conditions before applying

  • 18:40 – Post-award responsibilities, reporting requirements and maintaining compliance

  • 20:40 – Rob shares practical lessons from administering successful federal grants

  • 23:20 – Lexipol's GrantFinder platform and professional grant writing services

  • 25:45 – Using ChatGPT responsibly to support grant research while avoiding AI-generated narratives

  • 29:35 – Final advice: persistence, continual improvement and learning from unsuccessful applications

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Why EMS can’t sing along with this Anthem24 juil. 202600:32:31

Matt Zavadsky explains how a commercial insurer’s reimbursement proposal — and looming Medicaid changes — could reshape EMS funding

In this week’s episode of EMS One-Stop, we examine two major financial threats facing EMS reimbursement.

Host Rob Lawrence is joined by Matt Zavadsky to analyze the recent Elevance (Anthem) Health Public Policy Institute paper, which argues that commercial insurers should reimburse ambulance services at approximately 160% of the Medicare fee schedule.

Zavadsky, EMS/mobile healthcare consultant with PWW | Advisory Group, explains why this paper is significant, noting that Medicare already reimburses below the actual cost of providing ambulance services. If policymakers adopt or even believe Elevance's recommendations, commercial reimbursement could fall dramatically, removing one of the few revenue sources that currently offsets chronic underpayments from Medicare and Medicaid. The discussion highlights the growing influence of commercial insurers in state legislatures and stresses the need for EMS leaders to counter policy proposals with credible cost and operational data rather than anecdotal arguments.

The conversation then shifts to CMS's proposed Medicaid supplemental payment rule (GEMT), where Matt predicts that most of the proposed changes are likely to survive into the final rule despite industry opposition. Both hosts discuss their review of the public comments, noting differing impressions of stakeholder sentiment but agreeing that agencies should begin financial planning now for a potential reduction in supplemental Medicaid revenue beginning in 2029.

Throughout the episode, the recurring theme is that EMS must become far more effective at explaining both the cost of readiness and the consequences of underfunding. The episode concludes on a more positive note by highlighting the newly released What Paramedics Want in 2026 report as a practical roadmap for improving workforce satisfaction while the industry continues addressing long-term reimbursement challenges.

Additional resources

Key quotes

"The commercial insurance industry is creating a story that elected officials may perceive as reasonable. We need to combat that story with facts." — Matt Zavadsky

"Medicare reimbursement is already below cost, so using it as the benchmark automatically discounts ambulance services." — Matt Zavadsky

"We do a great job telling stories about the lives we save. We do a poor job telling the story of what it costs to provide that service." — Matt Zavadsky

"The balance billing issue is going to be the No. 1 issue in the next 12 months." — Matt Zavadsky

"The first time local elected officials hear there's a problem is usually when the sky is already falling. We need to tell the story before the sky falls." — Matt Zavadsky

"Know your costs; know your costs at different service levels, and begin educating your local community." — Matt Zavadsky

"This isn't necessarily good news, but it's something we need to understand and all work together to deal with." — Rob Lawrence

Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction and the Elevance Health Public Policy Institute report

02:00 – Matt explains who Elevance Health is and why the report should be viewed as a commercial insurer's policy position

03:30 – Discussion of state balance billing legislation and how commercial insurers are successfully pushing lower reimbursement benchmarks

06:15 – Breakdown of what percentages of Medicare actually mean using national EMS financial data

08:30 – Why using Medicare as the reimbursement benchmark is fundamentally flawed because Medicare itself pays below cost

10:30 – Discussion on the political influence of insurers and why EMS must counter with data-driven messaging

12:30 – Why EMS has historically struggled to tell its financial story despite being effective at telling patient care stories

14:20 – Matt predicts balance billing legislation will become the industry's No. 1 policy issue over the next year

16:10 – Potential consequences if commercial reimbursement falls to 160% of Medicare

17:30 – Discussion on community funding, essential service models and matching service expectations with available revenue

22:20 – Transition to CMS's proposed Medicaid supplemental payment (GEMT) rule

22:45 – Review of public comments submitted on the CMS proposal and differing observations about stakeholder support

25:00 – Matt predicts the CMS rule will largely move forward and agencies should prepare accordingly

27:45 – California and other states discussed as examples of systems likely to experience significant reductions in supplemental Medicaid funding

30:45 – Closing on a positive note with discussion of the What Paramedics Want workforce survey

Preventing falls, preserving independence: An EMS success story23 juil. 202600:37:23

The 2026 AIMHI Excellence in Public Information or Education Award recognizes organizations that create innovative programs which improve health, educate communities and demonstrate measurable outcomes. This year’s recipient, the Medic Keep the Beat Foundation, earned national recognition for a groundbreaking fall-prevention initiative that is helping older adults remain independent, reducing repeat 911 calls and preventing avoidable hospital admissions. The award celebrates programs that move EMS beyond emergency response into proactive, community-based healthcare.

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Jimmy Pierson, president and COO of Medic Ambulance; and Angeline Pierson, occupational therapist with the Medic Keep the Beat Foundation, to explore the award-winning program in depth. The discussion covers everything from home safety assessments and occupational therapy interventions, to public-private partnerships, sustainable funding, EMS workforce innovation and why prevention may be one of the greatest opportunities facing EMS today.

Key quotes

“You’ve taken the frequency out of a faller.” — Rob Lawrence

“We don’t want healthier transports; we want a healthier community.” — Jimmy Pierson

“This isn’t a business model; it’s a community model.” — Jimmy Pierson

“We want to keep people safe and independent in their own homes.” — Angeline Pierson

“With this program they can stay at home instead of moving into a skilled nursing facility.” — Angeline Pierson

“The key is finding partners who see you as a partner; not as a subcontractor.” — Jimmy Pierson

“The Australian paramedics became part of our family; they weren’t temporary staff.” — Jimmy Pierson

Additional resources Episode timeline

01:00 – Meet Jimmy and Angeline Pierson

02:00 – Inside the award-winning fall prevention program

06:45 – How patients enter the program

08:30 – Why preventing falls starts inside the home

12:30 – Measuring outcomes and demonstrating return on investment

15:00 – Funding, grants and building community partnerships

17:00 – Public-private partnerships with California fire departments

22:00 – Sonoma County Fire and collaborative EMS delivery

28:00 – Workforce rebuilding after COVID-19

31:30 – Recruiting Australian paramedics and creating a sustainable workforce

34:30 – Final reflections on prevention, partnerships and the future of EMS

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Breaking the system to make it stronger03 juil. 202600:35:42

This week on the EMS One-Stop podcast, Rob Lawrence sits down with emergency management and large-scale exercise expert Mike Marsh to explore what really goes into preparing agencies, communities and public safety partners for major events.

With the FIFA World Cup underway, America 250 upon us, and countless local events happening every weekend, the conversation focuses on the practical realities of planning, exercising and pressure-testing emergency response systems before the big day arrives.

| MORE: Training hard and fighting easy. Creating an effective tabletop training exercise for pre-planning MCI response

Drawing on decades of EMS leadership experience and his current work through Marsh EMS Consulting, Mike shares how agencies can move beyond "grant compliance exercises" and build meaningful operational readiness.

From tabletop exercises and ROC drills, to stakeholder coordination, communication failures and after-action reviews, Mike provides a masterclass in how to build resilient systems from the operator up.

His central premise is simple: exercises should be designed to break the system in a safe environment so weaknesses can be identified and corrected before a real incident occurs.

Whether you're preparing for a World Cup match, a county fair, or simply reviewing your MCI plans, this episode offers practical lessons for agencies of every size.

Notable quotes
  • "Our team is hired to break your system and rebuild it together." — Mike Marsh

  • "The scene will be bigger than they are. And it is OK to ask for help." — Mike Marsh

  • "We don't walk in and say, 'You don't understand ICS.' Actually, you do understand ICS, you just don't know that you're using it." — Mike Marsh

  • "Identifying and learning are two different activities; and they have to be cemented in." — Rob Lawrence

  • "Trust your people, know that you can't do it all, get a team together, train them, drill them, pressure them." — Mike Marsh

  • "Prior preparation and planning prevents pathetic performance." — Rob Lawrence

| MORE: 5 lessons for special events standby services and emergency response

Episode timeline

00:00 – Introduction and why major events require planning, exercises and preparation

02:25 – Mike's journey from California EMS leadership to emergency management consulting in Texas

04:53 – The biggest misconceptions about exercises and tabletop planning

06:30 – What frontline EMTs and supervisors need to know when the incident is bigger than they are

08:07 – The first questions Mike asks when planning a major event

10:13 – Communication, stakeholder engagement and identifying operational gaps

12:16 – Translating ICS and NIMS concepts into practical operational language

17:08 – Planning a county fair exercise: where to start and why capability gaps matter

19:46 – Who should be at the planning table and why executive participation matters

21:23 – The role of public works, politicians, emergency managers and public information officers

22:29 – The best and worst exercises Mike has ever experienced

25:29 – How to challenge leaders who believe their plans don't need testing

28:01 – Exercise planning for small and rural systems with limited resources

30:22 – After-action reviews and turning lessons identified into lessons learned

32:11 – Advice for agencies that have never exercised their plans before

33:54 – Mike's biggest leadership lesson from a career in EMS and emergency management

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Pinnacle 2026 preview: Leadership, retention, AI and the future of EMS26 juin 202600:35:29

The countdown to Pinnacle is on. Returning this year to San Diego from July 13-16, Pinnacle remains one of the most influential leadership and management conferences in EMS. Now entering its 22nd year, the event continues to attract executives, clinical leaders, innovators, educators and industry partners who gather not simply to learn, but to debate, challenge assumptions and shape the future direction of EMS. EMS1 is proud to be the premier media partner of Pinnacle.

| MORE: What Paramedics Want in 2026: Bookmark this page to get your copy

Joining EMS One-Stop this week is Anthony Minge, senior partner at Fitch & Associates and one of the driving forces behind Pinnacle. Anthony previews the major themes emerging this year, including workforce retention, leadership development, burnout and wellness, preparedness, artificial intelligence, blood delivery, drone technology and the ever-popular What Paramedics Want report.

Throughout the discussion, Anthony emphasizes that Pinnacle's value extends beyond the classroom. The real learning often happens in the conversations between sessions, over meals and among peers facing the same challenges across the country.

The conversation explores why retention has overtaken recruitment as EMS's primary workforce concern, how leaders must take greater responsibility for organizational culture, and why emerging technologies such as AI and drone-delivered medical supplies are changing the profession faster than many realize.

Anthony also offers a preview of keynote speakers, including preparedness expert and author William Forstchen, and highlights sessions covering leadership, resilience, operational excellence, workforce wellness and healthcare innovation.

As always, Pinnacle promises to deliver practical takeaways, provocative discussions, and the opportunity to connect with some of the brightest minds in EMS.

Key quotes

  • "If we can keep our people, we don't need to spend as much time trying to replace them."
  • "People don't leave organizations, they leave managers."
  • "Burnout is still too high. One suicide is way too many."
  • "We can't push it into the dark corners of our organizations and just hope it goes away."
  • "AI is here to stay. It's going to help us. It's going to do some great things."
  • "It is never meant to replace this computer right here."
  • "We practice healthcare. We practice extremely innovative healthcare out there."
  • "It's amazing the things that are happening out there."
  • "Good leaders share."
  • "Being responsible leaders is probably one of our largest challenges."

Additional resources

  • Pinnacle EMS 2026: Conference information, agenda details, speakers and registration
    • Conference dates: July 13-16, 2026
    • Location: Sheraton San Diego Resort
    • Pinnacle Early Bird Offer: provide the code “EMS26”. This gives early-bird offer provides $100 off the current/regular price
  • What Paramedics Want: 2026 Report debuts July 13, 2026
  • William Forstchen’s books

Episode timeline

03:00 – The major themes of Pinnacle 2026. Discussion of retention, leadership, financial sustainability, workforce wellness, preparedness, AI and emerging technologies.

06:30 – Recruitment vs. retention. Why keeping employees has become more important than finding new ones and how organizations can build careers rather than simply fill vacancies.

08:15 – Leadership beyond operations. The role of leadership in employee engagement, succession planning, data-driven decision-making and lessons from Matthew McConaughey's book Greenlights.

11:00 – Burnout, wellness and resilience. Why burnout remains a major challenge for EMS and how leaders must confront it rather than ignore it.

13:00 – Preparedness for the next crisis. A preview of keynote speaker William Forstchen and discussions around resilience, disaster readiness and planning for both natural and man-made events.

19:00 – AI Comes to EMS. Anthony discusses the opportunities and risks associated with artificial intelligence, from documentation and CAD integration, to clinical decision support.

24:00 – Blood, drones and clinical innovation. A look at how blood products, AEDs, naloxone and other critical supplies are increasingly being delivered through innovative technologies, including drones.

29:00 – What Paramedics Want in 2026. A preview of the latest survey findings and the issues currently weighing most heavily on the minds of EMS professionals.

30:00 – Why Pinnacle matters. Anthony explains why networking, relationship building and peer-to-peer learning remain among the conference's greatest strengths.

32:00 – The conversation EMS needs to have. Anthony identifies leadership responsibility and accountability as one of the most important — and often avoided — topics facing EMS today.

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Policy, payment reform and why EMS must engage18 juin 202600:34:45

At a time when EMS reimbursement faces unprecedented scrutiny and pressure, Shawn Baird joins the EMS One-Stop podcast to explain what is happening in Washington, D.C., why it matters to every ambulance service in America and what EMS leaders can do about it.

| MORE: When the spreadsheet meets the siren: How CMS’s Proposed GEMT Rule could reshape EMS funding

A former Paramedic, ambulance service owner, CEO, American Ambulance Association resident, and now Vice President of Government Affairs for the AAA, Baird brings a unique perspective that spans frontline care, operations and national advocacy.

In this episode, Rob Lawrence and Baird unpack the growing threats to Medicare and Medicaid funding, discuss the proposed changes to Medicaid supplemental payment programs, and explore the work of the National EMS Payment Reform Committee.

The conversation also previews the AAA Legislative Fly-In, and highlights efforts to secure EMS workforce funding, streamline military medic transitions into civilian EMS and advance federal fuel tax relief. Most importantly, Baird delivers a clear message: EMS professionals must tell their story, engage with elected officials and advocate for the future of mobile healthcare.

This episode serves as both an explainer and a call to action. As federal policymakers debate Medicaid funding, EMS reimbursement, workforce development and healthcare spending, Baird makes the case that every EMS professional has a role to play. Whether through legislative fly-ins, ride-alongs, town halls or simply telling the EMS story, advocacy is no longer optional. It is essential to preserving access to emergency medical care in communities across America.

Notable quotes

"We're hoping to make some proposals for real long-term reform on Medicare that will shore up the EMS system, not just to survive day to day, but really to thrive." — Shawn Baird

"We are more than just a ride. We are mobile healthcare." — Rob Lawrence

"We really have not been able to find a lot of data to support a bunch of waste, fraud and abuse in the EMS system. What there is, is a lot of misunderstanding." — Shawn Baird

"If we don't get paid ourselves, how can we pay other people? How can we then afford to deliver excellent healthcare to our patients?" — Rob Lawrence

"First of all, talk about the patient because the patient is the most important part of this whole discussion; second of all, talk about the medical care you provide because that's what the patient needs." — Shawn Baird

"We're the safety net. We're access to critical emergency care in many communities that don't have other healthcare." — Shawn Baird

"Probably the most important thing that folks listening to your show can do is attend a town hall and raise your hand and say, 'I'm just worried about our ambulance service.'" — Shawn Baird

"We have the greatest story of all to tell." — Shawn Baird

Additional resources

Episode timeline

01:00 – Rob introduces the episode and outlines the challenges facing EMS reimbursement and federal healthcare funding.

02:07 – Shawn Baird's EMS Journey — from paramedic intern at Grady Hospital to rural EMS operator, company owner, AAA president and government affairs leader.

03:00 – Why healthcare reimbursement decisions are increasingly shifting from Washington to state legislatures.

06:45 – The National EMS Payment Reform Committee and the search for long-term solutions to EMS financing.

09:13 – Medicaid, waste, fraud and abuse — understanding misconceptions about EMS reimbursement and why ambulance services are being caught in broader healthcare debates.

11:33 – EMS is more than transportation — reframing EMS as healthcare first, transportation second.

13:20 – The threat to Medicaid supplemental funding — provider taxes, GEMT programs and proposed federal changes that could impact ambulance services nationwide.

15:15 – Proposed CMS rule changes — why EMS leaders are concerned about being included in Medicaid funding reductions.

17:40 - How national EMS organizations are coordinating efforts to speak with one voice.

20:08 – The AAA Legislative Fly-In — what it is, how it works and why provider participation matters.

21:45 – Federal legislative priorities — EMS workforce development funding, military medic-to-civilian certification pathways and federal fuel tax relief for ambulance services.

26:50 – How EMS providers can engage when legislation is moving.

27:40 – The importance of local advocacy — town halls, community events and direct engagement with elected officials.

29:30 – Ride-alongs as an advocacy tool — why seeing EMS firsthand changes policymakers' perspectives.

32:00 – Final thoughts — politics is ultimately about relationships, storytelling and helping decision-makers understand EMS.

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Johnny and Roy inspired a generation. Now they're telling EMS's toughest truths12 juin 202600:41:22

What happens when the stars of the television series that introduced America to paramedicine decide it's time to tell the real story?

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by EMS pioneer Dr. Baxter Larmon and award-winning filmmaker Tom Putnam to discuss Into the Unknown: The Paramedics' Journey.

| MORE: ‘Emergency!’ stars launch Kickstarter campaign to expand reach of paramedic documentary, “Into the Unknown,” backed by Steve Buscemi, Randolph Mantooth and Kevin Tighe

Born from the vision of Emergency! stars Randolph Mantooth and Kevin Tighe, and backed by Steve Buscemi, the documentary follows paramedics, dispatchers, volunteers, flight crews and their families across America, revealing the realities of modern EMS. From Baton Rouge to Sparks, from volunteer rescue squads in Virginia, to helicopter rescue teams in California, the film explores not only what paramedics do, but what the job does to them.

The conversation examines workforce shortages, mental health, resilience, public misunderstanding of EMS, and the role the film could play in educating communities, policymakers and future generations.

The episode also explores the documentary's Kickstarter campaign and plans for worldwide release. If Emergency! introduced America to paramedics 50 years ago, Into the Unknown seeks to explain the people behind the uniform.

Notable quotes
  • "One of the things that I'm probably most proud about in the movie is that these first responders are now allowing their family members and their friends to be able to see what they go through every single day." — Dr. Baxter Larmon

  • "The call volume, I mean, they used to sit in the station, they'd joke in the station, they'd eat, they'd have dinner, they'd complete their whole dinner and they would never get a call. That just doesn't happen anymore." — Dr. Baxter Larmon

  • "Our fourth goal is to get recognition by governmental agencies to understand what EMS is, to be able to recognize its importance in the community, but more importantly, to fund it appropriately as well." — Dr. Baxter Larmon

  • "I honestly had no idea what I was getting into with this and how intense the personal interactions were gonna be." — Tom Putnam

  • "By the time that particular run was over, I just think I was wide-eyed and said, wow, we're making a war movie." — Tom Putnam

  • "For the right person, this is the best job in the world." — Tom Putnam

Episode timeline
  • 00:00 – Trailer and opening montage

  • 01:41 – Rob introduces the episode and guests

  • 03:18 – The origin story of Into the Unknown

  • 05:13 – The lasting impact of Emergency! on EMS and what story the documentary is trying to tell

  • 08:32 – Tom explains why he said “yes” immediately

  • 10:52 – The first EMS call filmed and realizing the scale of the project

  • 12:15 – Locations featured in the documentary

  • 16:22 – How EMS has changed since Johnny Gage and Roy DeSoto

  • 17:54 – Stories that surprised Tom most

  • 20:15 – The emotional burden of the profession

  • 22:40 – Calls Tom "can't unsee"

  • 24:00 – EMS as the safety net for society

  • 25:07 – Burnout, resilience and humanity

  • 27:30 – Why families need to see this film

  • 28:06 – Why the project launched a Kickstarter campaign, funding goals and distribution plans

  • 33:30 – Using the film as an EMS advocacy tool

  • 35:43 – Lightning round

  • 38:03 – Why EMS might be the best job in the world

  • 39:05 – Dr. Richard Carmona's role in the film

  • 40:16 – Final thoughts and call to action

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Blood on Board: The second chance that changed everything04 juin 202600:30:46

In Episode 4 of the EMS One-Stop Blood on Board Series, host Rob Lawrence brings together two powerful perspectives on prehospital blood transfusion.

First, retired Army trauma nurse and national blood advocate Randi Schaefer discusses the work of the Prehospital Blood Transfusion Initiative Coalition and the ongoing effort to remove barriers to blood product availability across the United States.

Drawing on lessons learned from military deployments and civilian implementation efforts, Schaefer explains why successful blood programs require collaboration among EMS agencies, hospitals, blood banks, legislators and funding partners. She emphasizes that while every system is different, the goal remains the same: getting lifesaving blood to patients before they reach the hospital.

The second half of the episode focuses on the story behind the statistics. Dr. Kate Krause, an emergency physician from Dallas, recounts her near-fatal postpartum hemorrhage just weeks after giving birth to her daughter. After she lost more than two liters of blood at home, Dallas Fire-Rescue paramedics recognized the severity of her condition and secured authorization to administer prehospital blood. That decision, combined with rapid transport and seamless hospital coordination, helped save her life.

Today, fully recovered and back to practicing medicine, Dr. Krause has become a compelling advocate for prehospital blood programs, reminding policymakers and EMS leaders that behind every protocol, funding request and unit of blood is a patient whose future depends on receiving the right treatment at the right time.

Previous Blood on Board episodes:

Impactful quotes

"I had a severe postpartum hemorrhage and had my life saved by a prehospital blood transfusion." — Dr. Kate Krause

"I'm here. I have no deficits. I'm healthy. I'm back to being a physician. I'm back to being a wife and being a mother to my beautiful little baby girl." — Dr. Kate Krause

"The coalition wants to make blood products available to those EMS agencies that want to carry them."  — Randi Schaefer

"This is a brand-new relationship. So there's a lot of learning how each other's worlds work." — Randi Schaefer

"We were not going to let people die of preventable death." — Randi Schaefer

"Keep pressing forward. We will find a way to yes." — Randi Schaefer

"Blood is one of those things that really makes a difference when it's given early." — Dr. Kate Krause

Additional resources

Episode timeline

00:00 – Introduction to Episode 4 and recap of the Blood on Board series and overview of previous episodes covering local, state and national blood initiatives.

02:18 – Introduction of Randi Schaefer and Dr. Kate Krause. Schaefer discusses military deployments and early blood program experiences, while Dr. Krause outlines her journey from lifeguard, to EMT, to emergency physician.

05:05 – Origins and mission of the Prehospital Blood Transfusion Initiative Coalition, military lessons learned, funding challenges, sustainability concerns, the importance of legislative support and reimbursement

13:57 – Dr. Krause recounts her postpartum hemorrhage.

19:03 – Discussion of non-trauma indications for prehospital blood and the importance of medic judgment and protocol flexibility

20:22 – Dr. Krause discusses recovery and advocacy efforts, and Dallas City Council appearance and public awareness activities.

24:24 – Dr. Krause delivers a concise advocacy message supporting blood programs nationwide.

25:01 – Schaefer reflects on meeting blood recipients and the impact of seeing survivorship firsthand.

27:47 – Closing remarks from Dr. Krause and Schaefer

29:03 – Lawrence wraps up the four-part Blood on Board series and reinforces the need for continued advocacy and funding.

This episode is sponsored by Triad of Life. After traumatic injury, patients may enter the “Triad of Death” — a dangerous cycle of hypothermia, acidosis, and coagulopathy that can rapidly lead to fatal outcomes without timely intervention. That’s why Delta Development Team partners with Qinflow and Lifeflow to combat these life-threatening conditions with the Triad of Life. Learn how your team can put the Triad of Life into practice.

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Blood on Board: Everything is bigger in Texas28 mai 202600:46:18

Texas is taking prehospital whole blood to scale. In this second installment of the Blood on Board series, the conversation moves from pioneering local programs to a statewide initiative backed by legislation, trauma system collaboration and a $10 million investment in EMS blood capability.

Host Rob Lawrence welcomes Dr. Jeff Jarvis, chief medical officer and system medical director, Fort Worth Office of the Medical Director; Dr. C.J. Winckler, deputy medical director for the San Antonio Fire Department; and Jorie Klein, director of EMS-Trauma Systems Section, Texas Department of State Health Services.

From San Antonio’s early adoption to Fort Worth’s operational maturity and the Texas Department of State Health Services’ statewide rollout, this episode examines how Texas built one of the most ambitious prehospital blood programs in the country.

The discussion goes beyond clinical theory. The guests tackle implementation, logistics, blood stewardship, wastage concerns, rural access, legislative strategy and the realities of getting physicians, transfusion medicine specialists, EMS leaders and lawmakers aligned around a shared mission.

The episode also explores the expanding use of whole blood beyond trauma, including GI bleeds, obstetrics and surgical hemorrhage, while reinforcing the operational mantra repeated throughout the show: systems save lives.

| MORE: Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire

Impactful quotes
  • “You can’t quarterback it from your office. You have to be engaged and be out there with them.” — Jorie Klein

  • “Little did I know that it would take almost every waking minute of my life to get blood on an ambulance.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler

  • “We’re not improving overall mortality yet, but we are improving mortality in the first six hours.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler

  • “When you work together as a system, you can do amazing things.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis

  • “In the last 13 months, we’ve given 259 units to 211 patients.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis

  • “Our definition of wastage is anything that doesn’t go into a patient.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvisv

  • “It turns out this stuff works.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis

  • “It’s all about communication and trust.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler

  • “Five years ago, we knew those patients would not survive. Now we have new tools.” — Jorie Klein

  • “My dad was saved by prehospital whole blood.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler

  • “Talk to the clinicians who are giving this blood and ask them about the impact it’s making.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis

Episode timeline

00:00 – Opening message. Jorie Klein outlines the central lesson for other states: engage frontline providers and avoid managing programs remotely.

00:40 – Introduction. Rob Lawrence introduces Episode 2 of the Blood on Board series, shifting focus from local systems to statewide implementation in Texas.

01:20 – Meet the guests. Jorie Klein, Dr. Jeff Jarvis and Dr. C.J. Winckler introduce themselves and their roles in Texas EMS and trauma care.

03:22 – The San Antonio origin story Dr. Winckler explains how military medicine, trauma surgeons and Texas delegated medical practice helped launch San Antonio’s whole blood program.

06:04 – Building the first protocols. Dr. Winckler discusses creating guidelines from scratch, operationalizing blood administration and securing funding support from city leadership.

08:52 – Going system-wide. San Antonio launches whole blood citywide in October 2018 without a pilot project.

10:13 – Ethics and evidence. Discussion shifts to mortality data, prehospital physiology and whether balanced blood resuscitation should already be considered standard of care.

12:14 – Fort Worth follows. Dr. Jarvis explains how San Antonio’s system inspired adoption in Fort Worth and highlights the importance of regional collaboration.

14:03 – Texas goes statewide. Klein explains the legislative process that resulted in a $10 million statewide prehospital whole blood initiative.

17:24 – Rural Texas and blood access. The conversation focuses on plasma options, rural hospital shortages and improving access for remote communities.

23:45 – The data discussion. Dr. Jarvis shares Fort Worth operational metrics, transfusion volumes and remarkably low wastage rates.

28:49 – Whole Blood Academy. Drs. Jarvis and Winckler discuss the National Whole Blood Academy and how Texas is teaching other EMS systems to replicate their success.

32:00 – Trust, logistics and blood stewardship. Dr. Winckler explains the importance of relationships between EMS and transfusion medicine physicians, emphasizing operational discipline and trust.

36:20 – What comes next? Dr. Klein discusses statewide reporting, future funding requests and sustaining the Texas model long term.

40:15 – Final lessons for other states. The guests close with advice on advocacy, clinician engagement and building support from the ground up.

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Blood on Board: Federal funding paves the way for EMS blood programs28 mai 202600:42:39

The EMS One-Stop Blood on Board series moves to the federal level in Episode 3, exploring how the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) grant program is opening new funding pathways for prehospital blood programs.

Host Rob Lawrence is joined by three leaders directly involved in building regional blood capability through federal funding.

  • Julie Stilley, PhD, is an EMS researcher at the University of Missouri, whose team secured a $4.6 million SS4A demonstration grant focused on advanced post-crash care, including prehospital blood administration.
  • Jason White represents the Mid-America Regional Council in Kansas City, a multi-jurisdictional regional planning organization coordinating EMS, trauma systems, hospitals and transportation partners around a regional whole blood strategy.
  • Mark Heath is chief of EMS for the Kansas City Kansas Fire Department and one of the operational leaders preparing to launch whole blood in the field as part of the Kansas City regional effort.

Rather than focusing solely on clinical practice, this episode examines the realities of applying for, winning and administering federal grant funding. The guests discuss building regional coalitions, engaging blood banks, developing standardized protocols, navigating compliance requirements and preparing operational rollouts.

From Missouri’s $4.6 million demonstration grant, to Kansas City’s regional planning initiative, this episode provides a practical roadmap for EMS leaders looking to transform roadway safety funding into lifesaving trauma care capability.

Impactful quotes

“Don’t be afraid of applying for a big, scary federal grant.” — Mark Heath

“EMS is the perfect partner to try to understand how to address the post-crash care component of a safety action plan.” — Julie Stilley

“If you’re going to do it as a region, you’ve got to hang together.” — Jason White

“The data points on the backside will set you free.” — Mark Heath

“If my blood is closer to the next address over, just because there’s a river in the way doesn’t mean we can’t get across the bridge.” — Mark Heath

“What started initially as an absolute ‘no’ became, ‘Wait, let me listen to you some more.’” — Julie Stilley

“The juice is worth the squeeze.” — Rob Lawrence

“Firefighters and EMS are cowboys, and blood banks are accountants.” — Mark Heath

“Cowboys do marry accountants.” — Jason White

“Run, don’t walk, to your local blood bank.” — Mark Heath

“It’s your blood in your community and going into you on your ambulances.” — Mark Heath

“We’re moving toward reducing mortality and reducing long-term injury.” — Julie Stilley

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Episode timeline

00:00 – “Free money is free money”. Chief Mark Heath opens with encouragement for agencies considering federal grant applications and urges smaller communities not to be intimidated by the process.

00:44 – Introduction to Episode 3. Rob Lawrence recaps Episodes 1 and 2 of the Blood on Board series before introducing the SS4A grant focus and the featured guests.

02:07 – Meet the guests. Julie Stilley introduces her role at the University of Missouri and reveals her project’s $4.6 million award. Jason White and Mark Heath outline the Kansas City regional collaboration.

04:19 – Why apply for SS4A? Julie Stilley explains how frustration around operational barriers to blood implementation motivated her grant application.

05:38 – Understanding demonstration grants. Discussion on the difference between planning and demonstration grants, and how post-crash care fits into regional traffic safety action plans.

06:51 – Building regional coalitions. Jason White discusses Kansas City’s existing regional EMS partnerships and how those relationships became the foundation for the grant application.

10:30 – Regional protocols and data. Mark Heath explains how Kansas City agencies standardized protocols, agreed on shared data points and committed to a coordinated regional approach.

13:04 – Pulling together the application. Julie Stilley outlines the process of bringing together planners, EMS leaders, trauma centers and blood banks to support the grant proposal.

15:02 – Equipment, compliance and logistics. Discussion shifts to blood warmers, storage systems, chain-of-custody monitoring and the operational realities of safely carrying blood products in the field.

18:25 – Planning grants and future implementation. Jason White explains how the Kansas City effort uses a planning grant to build toward larger implementation funding opportunities.

23:22 – Busting myths about blood. Mark Heath describes how data and national experience changed his thinking about whether whole blood matters in urban EMS systems with short transport times.

27:19 – The reality of grant administration. Julie Stilley and Jason White explain federal reimbursement structures, compliance requirements and why strong administrative partners are essential.

31:37 – Sustainability and reimbursement. Discussion on long-term funding, legislative advocacy and the need for reimbursement models for prehospital blood administration.

33:43 – Final lessons learned. The guests share advice on partnerships, blood bank relationships, data collection and not being afraid of “big scary federal grants.”

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Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire14 mai 202600:45:29

EMS systems can safely deliver blood in the field, and when they do, patients who would otherwise die are surviving

Whole blood in the field is no longer theoretical; it is operational, measurable and increasingly expected. In this EMS One-Stop episode, host Rob Lawrence brings together two of California’s leading medical directors — Drs. Clayton Kazan and Kevin Mackey — to compare and contrast their prehospital blood programs.

From concept to deployment, both systems demonstrate how data, relationships and persistence can translate innovation into lives saved.

This discussion goes beyond theory. It addresses real-world barriers — regulation, blood bank skepticism, funding gaps — and pairs them with practical solutions.

The result is a clear message: EMS systems can safely deliver blood in the field, and when they do, patients who would otherwise die are surviving. For agencies considering similar programs, this episode provides a roadmap grounded in experience, outcomes and operational reality.

Notable quotes
  • “When there's someone who wants to see your program, talk about your program.” — Kevin Mackey

  • “I kind of never believed it really possible to put it on a paramedic truck until I saw what the military was able to do.” — Clayton Kazan

  • “If the five minutes matter, why wouldn’t we want to do it 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes sooner?” — Clayton Kazan

  • “Never say ‘no,’ never say ‘die.’” — Kevin Mackey

  • “They’re never tired of trying to find new ways to save people’s lives.” — Clayton Kazan

Episode timeline

00:00 – Opening message. “Never say ‘no,’ never say ‘die’” sets the tone for program development and persistence

01:00 – Series introduction. Rob frames the episode as part of a broader national discussion on blood in EMS

02:00 – Guest introductions. Dr. Kazan and Dr. Mackey outline their EMS and medical backgrounds

03:20 – Program overviews. LA County: April 2025 launch, 11 squads, 58 transfusions; Sacramento: December 2025 launch after 15-month build

05:20 – Origins and catalysts. Influence from San Antonio and New Orleans programs; leadership support as a trigger

07:00 – Military influence. Translation of battlefield success into civilian EMS feasibility

08:50 – Building the business case. Data-driven forecasting using ePCR systems

11:00 – Overcoming resistance. Regulatory hurdles, skepticism and blood bank concerns

15:00 – Survivor stories. Real-world saves that validate the programs and influence policymakers

18:00 – Funding realities. Grant-based models, no current reimbursement, cost-benefit framed in life-years saved

21:45 – Equipment and logistics. Cold chain, monitoring systems, delivery devices and operational considerations

24:40 – Training and deployment. Targeted rollout using heat maps and trauma incidence data

27:45 – Early challenges. Blood recirculation, cold chain validation and system integration issues

31:50 – QA/QI and research. 100% case review and participation in multi-county data collaboratives

34:10 – Patient populations. Primarily trauma, with emerging medical indications

36:00 – Sustainability and scaling. Political engagement and expansion planning

38:15 – Rapid fire lessons learned. Transparency, persistence, relationships

42:50 – Myths and realities. Frontline providers embrace innovation; capability concerns disproven

44:00 – Final takeaways. Appreciation, relationships and system-wide collaboration as keys to success

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Special report: Andes Hantavirus risk assessment13 mai 202600:16:44

In this special EMS One-Stop update, Rob Lawrence is joined by returning guest Dr. Alex Isakov to break down the rapidly developing Andes Hantavirus outbreak linked to the expedition cruise ship MV Hondius. What began as a handful of unexplained respiratory illnesses aboard a South Atlantic voyage has evolved into an internationally monitored infectious disease event involving multiple countries, quarantine operations, public health investigations and the repatriation of exposed passengers to specialized containment facilities in the United States.

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Dr. Isakov is professor of emergency medicine at Emory University School of Medicine and executive director of the Emory Office of Critical Event Preparedness and Response (CEPAR). He also serves as EMS lead for the National Emerging Special Pathogens Training and Education Center (NETEC), where he helps lead national preparedness efforts for high-consequence infectious diseases.

In the episode, he explains how Andes Hantavirus differs from other hantaviruses already present in North America because it is capable of person-to-person transmission in limited circumstances.

The discussion covers transmission dynamics, incubation periods, PPE recommendations, public health monitoring and why experts continue to assess the overall public risk as low. Listeners are also directed toward the excellent educational resource hub on preparedness and response available through NETEC Hantavirus Resources.

Episode timeline

00:00 – Introduction to the Special Edition. Rob Lawrence introduces the emergency update format and welcomes Dr. Alex Isakov to discuss the emerging Andes Hantavirus outbreak.

00:50 – Understanding hantaviruses. Dr. Isakov explains the difference between common North American hantaviruses and Andes Virus, emphasizing the rare person-to-person transmission capability.

03:13 – The cruise ship incident. Discussion of the outbreak aboard the MV Hondius, including onboard transmission concerns, severe illness development and international evacuation efforts.

05:16 – U.S. monitoring and quarantine. Review of quarantine operations in Nebraska and ongoing public health monitoring of exposed American passengers.

07:21 – Incubation and EMS risk assessment. Dr. Isakov outlines the prolonged incubation period and explains why frontline EMS encounters remain unlikely.

11:17 – PPE guidance for EMS personnel. Specific PPE recommendations are reviewed, including standard, contact and airborne precautions with eye protection.

13:17 – Looking ahead to World Cup 2026. The discussion turns to international travel, mass gatherings and why clinicians must maintain awareness of rare infectious diseases tied to travel history.

14:32 – EMS and public health resources. Dr. Isakov directs listeners to CDC, WHO and NETEC resources for ongoing guidance and EMS-specific updates.

Mind the gap: Data, disparities and the future of EMS08 mai 202600:40:35

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Tanir Ami of the CARESTAR Foundation to explore a subject that is increasingly central to the future of EMS: equity, data and system design.

Born from the legacy of CalSTAR, CARESTAR has evolved into a philanthropic engine focused on improving EMS through research, convening and targeted investment.

Ami brings a 25-year background in community health, grounded in service to underserved populations, and applies that experience to a sector that is only now beginning to fully interrogate disparities in care and outcomes.

The conversation moves beyond theory into practical reality. From disparities in pain management and pediatric restraint use, to the challenges of fragmented EMS systems and the slow pace of statewide change, Ami outlines both what is known and what remains uncertain.

The throughline is clear: data must be collected, interrogated and acted upon. CARESTAR’s work sits at the intersection of research and action, funding studies, building infrastructure, and creating space for difficult but necessary conversations.

For EMS leaders, the message is direct and national in scope: examine your data, stay curious and be prepared to confront what it reveals. Key quotes

“The data show that there are differences not only in how people are treated, but on the back end and the outcomes that they experience.” — Tanir Ami

“Particularly Black girls were four times as likely to be physically restrained as any of their counterparts.” — Tanir Ami

“Stay open-minded and open-hearted about what it is, the type of conversation that we’re trying to have.” — Tanir Ami

“We really come at it holding the clinicians who are out working at the front lines of EMS in incredibly high regard, and also simultaneously wanting to talk about how and where and what the challenges are.” — Tanir Ami

“Just collecting those numbers and sending them off … is not the end of the game.” — Rob Lawrence

“We had a section of the city … almost a desert of non-911 calls and we realized that was our Latino community. We worked with them to promote the fact that we’re not ICE … we want to assist you in your emergency. Through that process, we closed off that desert.” — Rob Lawrence

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Episode timeline

01:00 – Tanir Ami outlines her 25-year healthcare career and explains the transition from CARESTAR to the CARESTAR Foundation.

04:30 – Discussion of disparities in care and outcomes, and the complexity of addressing systemic inequities.

08:00 – Insights into disparities in pain management and pediatric restraint use, with examples from UC Berkeley and UCSF studies.

11:30 – Focus on building momentum, creating safe spaces for discussion and balancing research with implementation.

15:45 – Overview of CARESTAR funding priorities, including community conversations, behavioral health integration and pilot programs.

20:30 – Exploration of regulatory fragmentation and the challenges of statewide EMS coordination.

25:00 – Call for EMS leaders nationwide to interrogate their own data and remain open to findings.

30:00 – Emphasis on localized interventions and the absence of one-size-fits-all solutions.

35:00 – Tanir reinforces optimism and momentum, leaving listeners with a clear challenge: examine, understand and act on their data.

About CARESTAR

The CARESTAR Foundation is a California-based philanthropic organization dedicated to improving emergency medical services through research, innovation, and system-wide collaboration. Established in 2018 following the sale of the CalSTAR air ambulance program, the foundation was created to honor that legacy by advancing quality, integrity and equitable care across the EMS spectrum. Under the leadership of Tanir Ami, CARESTAR focuses on identifying and addressing disparities in prehospital care, funding research into EMS practices and outcomes, and convening stakeholders to drive meaningful change. Its work emphasizes the use of data to uncover gaps in treatment, supports community-driven solutions, and invests in initiatives that strengthen both the workforce and the systems that serve diverse populations.

When systems hesitate, they deploy: The rogue air crews who faced Ebola head-on30 avr. 202600:39:15

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Kevin Hazzard to explore No One’s Coming, a gripping account of the 2014 Ebola outbreak and the extraordinary effort to rescue infected American aid workers from West Africa.

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What begins as a seemingly impossible mission evolved into a high-stakes, time-critical operation led by Phoenix Air — a team known for taking on the missions no one else will.

Hazzard traces the origins of this unconventional organization, from transporting explosives and nuclear materials, to pioneering aeromedical evacuation of the world’s most dangerous infectious patients.

The conversation moves beyond storytelling into operational reality. With no established protocols, limited knowledge of Ebola and widespread public fear, crews were forced to improvise, adapt and execute under intense pressure.

The episode examines the intersection of EMS readiness, public health hesitation and leadership under uncertainty. At its core, this is a study in preparation, risk tolerance and professional duty — illustrating how a small group of individuals stepped forward when systems hesitated, reinforcing the enduring EMS principle: when the call comes, you answer.

Key quotes from Kevin Hazzard

  • “This is as scary as it gets.”
  • “It is the largest and deadliest Ebola outbreak in human history.”
  • “We’ve got to figure out how to transport highly contagious patients — nobody does that.”
  • “They risked their lives. They risked their families’ lives for strangers.”
  • “Preparation is the most important thing.”
  • “We are notoriously short-minded … we’re not long-range thinkers.”
  • “There are people out there who are willing to step into the breach when needed.”

Episode timeline

00:00 – Opening context: Ebola outbreak severity and mission stakes

01:00 – Introducing Kevin Hazzard, author background

03:30 – Origins and evolution of Phoenix Air

08:00 – High-risk missions (including Libya nuclear extraction)

14:30 – Transition to EMS and infectious disease transport

16:00 – Development of the biocontainment system

20:00 – Ebola mission planning and execution challenges

27:00 – U.S. reception, EMS transport and public reaction

31:00 – Leadership lessons and EMS preparedness gaps

35:00 – Reflections on readiness, resilience and future threats

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‘Hydraulic debriefing:’ Alcohol, stress, and the hidden culture of EMS23 avr. 202600:30:40

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Dr. Maria Koeppel to explore a topic that has long existed in the shadows of EMS culture — alcohol use among providers.

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Drawing on NIH and FEMA supported research, Koeppel outlines how EMS clinicians may be engaging in higher-risk drinking behaviors than the general population, with patterns influenced by stress, exposure and workplace culture.

What emerges is not a story of individual weakness, but one of systemic pressure — where both major traumatic incidents and the accumulation of low-acuity, high-frequency calls contribute to a steady burden of stress that many providers attempt to manage off-duty.

The conversation moves beyond statistics into culture, leadership and generational change. Koeppel highlights how traditional “crew bonding” through alcohol — what one participant termed “hydraulic debriefing” — may be giving way to a new, more wellness-focused approach among younger clinicians.

At the same time, gaps in education, policy and peer support remain evident across EMS systems. For leaders, the message is clear: alcohol use is not a fringe issue, but a workforce health, safety and performance issue that requires thoughtful engagement, cultural awareness and proactive support structures.

Key quotes from Maria Koeppel
  • “Over 50% of firefighters surveyed had binge drank in the last 30 days — about twice the rate of the general population.”

  • “EMS providers tend to drink a little bit more frequently than the general population — and that’s tied directly to stress.”

  • “It’s not just the big trauma calls — it’s the micro-stressors that add up over time.”

  • “A third of clinicians in our sample engaged in high-risk drinking behaviors.”

  • “Younger clinicians are at higher risk — but that risk declines with age as coping mechanisms develop.”

  • “Paramedics are at higher risk than EMTs, likely due to increased responsibility and patient exposure.”

  • “Some described going out after shift as ‘hydraulic debriefing’ — using alcohol to process the day.”

  • “Gen Z is driving a more sober culture — they’re choosing connection without alcohol.”

  • “Leadership isn’t just policy — it’s culture, awareness and how you care for your people.”

  • “Alcohol and coping has to be part of the conversation if we care about workforce health and patient safety.”

Episode timeline
  • 01:06 – Maria’s background: firefighter and researcher
  • 02:24 – Overview of NIH/FEMA research and EMS focus
  • 04:14 – Key findings: stress, frequency of drinking and EMS culture
  • 05:08 – Micro-stressors vs. major trauma calls
  • 06:54 – Risk factors: age, role, education, multiple jobs
  • 10:11 – Culture and “hydraulic debriefing”
  • 11:46 – Fire vs. private EMS cultural differences
  • 14:38 – Generational shift: Gen Z and sober culture
  • 19:24 – Alternative substances and coping trends
  • 21:20 – Leadership roles: policy vs. culture
  • 24:11 – Peer support gaps in EMS
  • 26:41 – Workforce impact: sleep, stress, retention
  • 27:14 – Education gap and need for EMS-specific training
  • 29:11 – Conferences and future research dissemination
  • 30:13 – Episode wrap-up

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FDNY’s future: AI, BWCs and pay parity16 avr. 202600:57:34

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence travels to New York City to sit down with Lillian Bonsignore, the 37th Commissioner of the Fire Department of the City of New York (FDNY). A 30-plus year veteran who rose through the ranks of EMS — from EMT in the South Bronx to Chief of EMS and now Commissioner — Bonsignore brings a ground-up understanding of the largest fire-EMS system in the United States.

She reflects on stepping into the role as “walking onto a fast-moving train,” immediately confronted with major incidents, severe weather and system pressures, while simultaneously building her leadership team and setting direction for the future.

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The conversation explores the unique structure of FDNY, where the Commissioner operates as the executive leader “almost like CEO of the company,” while operational command sits with the Chief of Department.

Bonsignore is clear-eyed about the scale and demands of the system: over 2.2 million runs annually, with 1.6 million EMS-related, reinforcing her long-held position that EMS must be treated as an essential service with appropriate funding and career pathways.

Drawing on her experience leading through the COVID-19 pandemic and responding on Sept. 11, 2001, she emphasizes resilience, communication and presence — being visible in stations, honest with staff and committed to supporting those who “leave their own families behind to go serve a stranger.”

Bonsignore also addresses criticism of her appointment directly and without hesitation, framing it as a misunderstanding of the Commissioner’s role and the realities of modern emergency response. She underscores that FDNY is both fire and EMS, and that her career — spanning 9/11 response, pandemic leadership and decades of frontline service — positions her to lead the entire enterprise.

Looking ahead, she speaks to the need for infrastructure investment, workforce stabilization, mental health support, and the thoughtful adoption of technologies such as AI and body-worn cameras. As FDNY approaches the 25th anniversary of 9/11 and the nation’s 250th year, her focus remains clear: support the workforce, strengthen the system, and prepare the department for the next generation of service.

Key quotes from Commissioner Bonsignore
  • “Walking into a position like this is like walking onto a fast-moving train.”

  • “I understand the ground level challenges that go on because I lived them.”

  • “The commissioner is the administrative level, almost like CEO of the company.”

  • “We’re responding to over 2.2 million runs a year … 1.6 million of those runs are EMS-related runs.”

  • “We have to stabilize our system … it’s time that EMS is finally treated as an essential service.”

  • “I will always tell you the truth. You may not like my truth, but I will give it to you.”

  • “The decision of a first responder is to leave their own families behind … to go serve a stranger.”

  • “They are literally your heroes … they will put their lives on the line for you.”

Episode timeline
  • 01:10 – First 100 days as Commissioner — “fast-moving train”
  • 02:30 – Career journey and EMS roots shaping leadership
  • 04:30 – Workforce trust, credibility and lived experience
  • 06:30 – Pay parity and EMS as an essential service
  • 09:00 – Structure of FDNY — Commissioner vs. operational command
  • 11:30 – Setting direction and stabilizing the organization
  • 13:30 – Relationship with the Mayor and political leadership
  • 17:30 – Addressing criticism and misconceptions
  • 19:30 – Leading through COVID — scale, innovation, mutual aid
  • 23:30 – Morale, resilience and leadership presence
  • 26:30 – Recruitment and retention challenges
  • 30:30 – AI and future innovation in EMS
  • 32:30 – Behavioral health response and BeHeard program
  • 36:30 – First responder mental health and support systems
  • 38:30 – Violence against EMS and workforce protection
  • 41:00 – Body-worn cameras and transparency
  • 43:30 – 9/11 reflections and legacy
  • 50:30 – Commemoration planning and future outlook

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CAAS accreditation – More than a badge, a blueprint for excellence09 avr. 202600:37:21

This week on EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Sarah McEntee, executive director of the Commission on Accreditation of Ambulance Services (CAAS), to unpack what accreditation really means for modern EMS systems.

Moving beyond the “sticker on the truck,” Sarah reframes CAAS as a living, breathing process — one that drives internal improvement, organizational alignment and long-term sustainability. From its origins within the American Ambulance Association in the 1990s, to the latest Version 4.0 standards, the conversation highlights how CAAS provides a unified, industry-driven framework that elevates agencies from compliant to high-performing.

Rob brings a practitioner’s perspective, reflecting on his own experience navigating multiple accreditation cycles, emphasizing how CAAS becomes a “guiding light” for governance, clinical care and operational excellence.

Together, they explore the structure of the standards, the application journey, and the cultural readiness required to succeed.

The key takeaway is clear: accreditation is not a project with an endpoint — it’s a continuous process that strengthens organizations from the inside out, identifying risks, improving systems, and ultimately delivering better care to patients and communities.

Episode timeline

01:30 – Origins of CAAS and need for unified standards

03:30 – Breakdown of CAAS standards (admin, clinical, operations)

06:30 – Deep dive into operational standards and structure

10:30 – Rob’s real-world experience with accreditation

12:30 – Accreditation as a process vs. project

16:00 – Value proposition: internal vs. external benefits

18:30 – Cost vs. value — and the risk of not being accredited

22:00 – Step-by-step accreditation journey (readiness → submission → review)

28:30 – Site visits and peer collaboration

31:30 – Resources, support and how to get started

34:30 – Final reflections and leadership call to action

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Live from NEMSMA: From battlefield to boardroom29 mars 202600:24:08

This edition of EMS One-Stop, recorded at the inaugural National EMS Management Association conference in Arlington, Virginia, pairs two complementary conversations about leadership and the future of EMS.

 

In the first half, General Robert Neller brings a military leader’s lens to universal leadership truths: lead yourself first, remember that everyone is watching, stay humble, listen better and understand that decisiveness matters. His message is simple and sharp. People want leaders who will set the example, make the call when it matters, and balance standards with empathy.

 

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In the second half, NEMSMA President Dr. Hezedean Smith reflects on a successful launch for the conference and looks ahead to where EMS leadership must go next. He frames this association as a growing home for mentorship, shared learning and strategic thinking, while also pointing to the disruptive forces already reshaping the profession:

  • Artificial intelligence

  • Redesigned systems

  • Recruitment and retention pressures

  • The possibility of autonomous ambulance operations

Taken together, the episode is both a leadership masterclass and a forward look at an EMS profession that cannot afford to stand still.

Episode timeline

00:39 – Rob sets the scene from the inaugural NEMSMA conference in Northern Virginia.

00:51 – Rob introduces General Neller as the opening keynote speaker.

01:38 – General Neller explains his leadership “roadmap,” beginning with leading yourself first.

03:38 – Rob and General Neller discuss how leaders are always being watched.

06:04 – Advice for the newly promoted EMS lieutenant: growth takes time, ask for advice, study and learn.

08:11 – General Neller reflects on what he wishes he had known earlier in his career: be a better listener.

09:41 – The “don’t eat the cake” story becomes a lesson in humility and example-setting.

11:42 – General Neller discusses when leaders must consult and when they must simply decide.

13:22 – Final leadership theme from General Neller: empathy strengthens standards rather than weakening them.

17:04 – Rob returns with Dr. Hezedean Smith, President of NEMSMA.

17:18 – Dr. Smith describes the early success of the inaugural conference and strong turnout.

18:12 – Dr. Smith confirms planning is already underway for next year because the event has outgrown the venue.

19:25 – Discussion shifts to the future direction of EMS leadership and system design.

19:49 – Dr. Smith highlights AI, system redesign, and recruitment and retention as major themes.

20:47 – Dr. Smith talks about self-driving ambulances, solar-powered systems and rapid technological change.

21:38 – Dr. Smith emphasizes that technology must make providers’ work easier, not harder.

22:22 – Rob asks why people should join NEMSMA.

22:28 – Dr. Smith outlines mentorship, information sharing and rapid organizational growth.

23:13 – Dr. Smith closes by reaffirming NEMSMA’s role in the EMS leadership space.

23:46 – Rob signs off from what he calls an “amazing time” at the conference.

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Six minutes to live: Inside the push to save cardiac arrest victims12 mars 202600:38:54

In this edition of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by Bob Davies and Hilary Gates to explore the mission behind Six Minutes to Live, a growing movement focused on improving survival from sudden cardiac arrest.

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The conversation begins with the stark reality that every minute without CPR and defibrillation reduces survival by 10%, and then widens into a larger discussion about injustice, geography and system performance.

Bob reflects on his landmark USA Today investigation into EMS disparities across the country, while Hilary explains why this issue remains deeply personal and why communities, not just medical systems, must be part of the solution.

The episode then turns from problem to action. Hilary and Bob describe how Six Minutes to Live is using storytelling, advocacy, community partnerships and public training to drive change, especially through bystander CPR education, school-based training and public access defibrillation.

From Santa Cruz to the Resuscitation Academy in Seattle, the emphasis is on making the simple feel possible: hands-only CPR, early defibrillation and empowering ordinary people to act. The result is more than a nonprofit or a campaign. As Rob notes, this is a movement.

Memorable quotes

  • “For every minute that a person's heart has stopped, their chance of survival decreases by 10%.” — Hilary Gates
  • “Life and death is defined by geography.” — Bob Davies
  • “There are vulnerable, voiceless people living on the margins who need a voice.” — Hilary Gates
  • “The main way that people save more lives is they care.” — Bob Davies
  • “Every podcast that Hillary and I are involved with is actually sponsored by R&D. Rip off and duplicate, show up, take our stuff, go and save lives with it.” — Rob Lawrence

Additional resources

Episode timeline

  • 01:34-02:14 – Rob Lawrence introduces the episode and welcomes Hilary Gates and Bob Davies.
  • 02:21-03:21 – Hilary Gates shares her background as an educator turned paramedic and cofounder of Six Minutes to Live.
  • 03:48-08:14 – Bob Davies recounts his experience as a paramedic and journalist, including his USA Today investigation into EMS performance disparities.
  • 08:24-10:50 – Rob asks what has changed in 20 years; Bob discusses the enduring formula, new technology and the energy of younger clinicians.
  • 11:08-13:02 – Hilary explains why Six Minutes to Live was founded and frames cardiac arrest survival as an issue of injustice and community responsibility.
  • 13:13-17:08 – Rob asks what Six Minutes to Live is and how it fits among other advocacy organizations; Bob and Hilary describe its role as a connector and storyteller.
  • 18:04-18:39 – Rob resets the conversation and asks what the organization is doing now.
  • 18:50-20:47 – Hilary describes the Santa Cruz partnership, community CPR training and support from donors and local agencies.
  • 21:12-23:47 – Bob highlights their upcoming workshop at the Resuscitation Academy in Seattle and the power of systems that care enough to measure and improve.
  • 24:00-25:20 – Rob offers a transatlantic explainer connecting Eisenberg, Utstein and UK ambulance response standards.
  • 25:24-28:41 – Hilary discusses community myths about CPR and AEDs, and the need to simplify action for laypeople.
  • 28:48-31:02 – Bob outlines what is next: documentaries, deep listening, connecting voices and helping movements grow organically.
  • 31:17-33:01 – Rob and Hilary talk about creating local champions, liability concerns and getting communities to act.
  • 33:13-34:47 – Rob asks the closing question; Hilary urges EMS clinicians to become local champions for simple lifesaving actions.
  • 35:22-37:20 – Bob closes with a call for EMS professionals to confront the “little secrets” they know and act on them.

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EMS leaders head to Capitol Hill with one message: It’s time to fund the future05 mars 202600:31:56

EMS on the Hill isn’t just a date on the calendar — it’s the profession’s annual moment to stand in front of Congress and tell the EMS story with clarity, confidence and unity.

In this edition of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by NAEMT President, Chris Way, to preview EMS on the Hill (March 25–26, 2026) and explain why this event matters now more than ever: EMS is where most Americans first enter the healthcare system, and the care delivered in the field is no longer “drive-you-to-the-hospital medicine.”

Chris and Rob also unpack what’s changed — the scale of collaboration across national organizations and the discipline of going to Capitol Hill with aligned priorities and a shared message. They walk listeners through the event flow (Education Day, briefings, Hill visits, awards and reception), the importance of working relationships with staffers, and the advocacy “ask” that could reshape the future: reimbursement for treatment in place, mobile integrated healthcare/community paramedicine, and sustainable support for initiatives like prehospital blood. The throughline is simple: show up, speak with one voice, and translate momentum into legislative wins.

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Episode timeline
  • 00:00 – Chris Way frames the goal: becoming a trusted, go-to EMS resource for lawmakers

  • 00:52 – Why EMS on the Hill matters; EMS as the front door of healthcare; call to action

  • 02:16 – Advocacy theme and EMS on the Hill as the seminal D.C. event

  • 03:27 – Kansas City summit recap; commitment to making it annual; “stronger together”

  • 05:39 – Evolution of EMS on the Hill into a multi-organization partnership; one message

  • 08:24 – Logistics overview begins: dates, hotel, education day, briefings, awards

  • 10:16 – How to succeed in legislative meetings: reading the room, time limits, staffer relationships

  • 17:14 – Priority bills: treatment in place, MIH/CP, whole blood, NAMSP priorities

  • 21:02 – “This is ongoing” collaboration: monthly cross-organization calls, broader coordination

  • 24:05 – Chris shares his recommended approach: prep, priorities, cards/coins, questions, follow-up

  • 27:34 – Rob’s add-ons: photos after meetings, tagging lawmakers, comms/PR value

  • 28:59 – Final logistics recap; what to expect as a first-timer at state tables

  • 30:37 – Chris closes: unprecedented partnership, focus to “get this done”

  • 31:14 – Rob plugs state-level advocacy (CAA Stars/Capitol Day)

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Synergy in action: How EMS leaders are aligning for impact26 févr. 202600:31:56

Recorded on location at the EMS Association Summit in sunny Kansas City, this edition of EMS One-Stop captures something that’s been building for a while across the profession: real momentum.

In the first half, Rob Lawrence sits down with Bill Seifarth, CEO of the National Registry of EMTs, to unpack what the Registry is today; how its mission has evolved; and why partnerships, research and continued competence sit at the heart of public trust when 911 is called.

In the second half, returning guest Patrick Pianezza joins Rob to talk Code 3, the top streaming EMS movie’s impact on providers and families and what comes next.

Across both conversations, the theme is unmistakable. When EMS organizations collaborate, align messaging and show up as one voice, the profession becomes harder to ignore and easier to support. The summit becomes more than a meeting. It becomes a signal.

Episode timeline
  • 1:02 – Introduction of Bill Seifarth; brief personal bio and career path
  • 2:01 – “National Registry 101”: Bill explains the mission and what the Registry does
  • 2:53 – Research focus: the Registry’s fellowship and EMS research priorities
  • 3:31 – “Bread and butter”: entry-level and continued competence assessment and why it matters to the public
  • 4:33 – Rob notes the Registry’s growing national presence; Bill outlines advocacy-through-partnership
  • 5:08 – Preview of next year’s summit; participation in EMS on the Hill and NCSL with multiple EMS orgs in one booth
  • 6:33 – Why the summit matters: state associations and national partners coming together under one roof — it’s a sold-out inaugural event; education, networking and shared experience highlighted
  • 10:52 – Next stop: EMS on the Hill; “hunting in a pack”
  • 12:20 – Bill’s closing: partnership, collaboration, synergy and supporting the profession
  • 13:38 – Transition: Rob introduces Patrick Pianezza, co-writer of Code 3
  • 14:41 – Patrick reflects on the film’s reception — especially among working providers
  • 15:33 – Patrick shares the origin story: a “homework assignment” turned full-length film
  • 17:39 – Where to watch: Apple/Amazon to rent or purchase; streaming on Hulu; performance metrics shared
  • 18:30 – What’s next: pitching a TV series and interest in a sequel; realities of funding and IP ownership
  • 21:33 – Discussion of the “Mr. President” scene and the intentional visual tension-building
  • 24:19 – Patrick addresses feedback and the goal: honest portrayal and conversation-starting, not villainizing partners
  • 27:41 – Leadership pipeline point: great clinicians aren’t automatically great leaders; mentorship matters
  • 30:15 – Closing theme returns: one voice, fewer scattered voices, more impact for the profession
  • 31:20 – Rob wraps: summit takeaways, guests, and a final nudge to watch Code 3

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Dr. Linda Dykes: From toxic culture to safer systems12 févr. 202600:47:27

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Dr. Linda Dykes joins Rob Lawrence from the UK for a wide-ranging, transatlantic conversation that starts with workplace culture and ends with a practical look at how health systems can keep patients safely at home.

In the first half, Linda breaks down her newly published (open-access) qualitative paper, provocatively titled “It’s not bullying if I do it to everyone,” drawn from UK NHS “Med Twitter” responses: a raw, heartbreaking window into the red flags of toxic workplace culture, how bullying is experienced in the eye of the beholder, and why incivility and silence are not just HR problems — they’re patient safety threats.

In the second half, Linda brings listeners into the UK’s evolving admission alternative world: frailty care at home, urgent community response models, and the increasingly important interface between EMS and community-based teams. She explains the UK’s SPOA (single point of access) concept, why she dislikes the term “admission avoidance,” and how ED crowding and access change the risk-benefit equation for hospital vs. home.

Rob connects the dots back to the U.S. reality — reimbursement, APOT/wall time, treatment-in-place policy — and why this work is becoming a shared challenge on both sides of the Atlantic.

Timeline

00:51 – Rob opens, recaps NAEMSP in Tampa and recent content.

02:25 – Rob introduces Linda as the “triple threat” (emergency medicine, primary care/GP, geriatrics) and tees up two-part discussion.

05:39 – Rob introduces Linda’s paper: “It’s not bullying if I do it to everyone.”

06:13 – Linda explains why toxic culture is increasingly visible and how the tweet prompt became a dataset.

07:33 – “Flash mob research group” forms; Linda explains social-media-to-qualitative methodology and limitations.

10:03 – Rob asks about bias; Linda clarifies purpose: insight, not representativeness.

16:39 – Linda defines gaslighting and why it’s so destabilizing.

18:21 – Reactions to publication; resonance, sharing and uncomfortable self-reflection on learned behaviors.

20:18 – The “16:55 Friday email” as a weapon — and as an accidental harm.

23:29 – Leadership as “the sponge” — absorbing pressure rather than passing it down.

25:27 – “One thing right now”: know the impact your words can have, especially on vulnerable staff.

26:41 – Rob on “pressure bubbles,” micro-movements and atmospherics: how leaders shift climate without realizing it.

30:53 – SPOA explained: single point of access and urgent community response behind it.

33:03 – EMS interface: calling before conveyance to find safe pathways to keep patients at home.

35:47 – Linda on mortality risk of access block/long waits and how that reframes risk decisions.

37:19 – Evolving models: primary care-led response vs. hospital at home approaches.

39:34 – Clinical myths challenged: oral antibiotics sometimes non-inferior to IV in conditions we assumed needed admission.

40:34 – Outcomes: hospital at home trial signals safety and fewer patients in institutional care by 6 months.

42:00 – Telemedicine/telehealth: underutilized but useful; when you still need a senior clinician in person.

44:50 – Closing takeaways: read the paper (with trigger warning); admission alternative work is deeply satisfying.

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EMS One Stop: Resilience and beyond29 janv. 202600:30:47

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence welcomes John Sammons, an advanced practice paramedic with Wake County EMS, a peer support team member and a key leader in the NAEMT Lighthouse Leadership Program. John sits at the intersection of system design and human performance, helping build the kind of operational and cultural scaffolding that keeps clinicians effective, healthy and coming back tomorrow.

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence welcomes John Sammons, an advanced practice paramedic with Wake County EMS, a peer support team member and a key leader in the NAEMT Lighthouse Leadership Program. John sits at the intersection of system design and human performance, helping build the kind of operational and cultural scaffolding that keeps clinicians effective, healthy and coming back tomorrow.

| MORE: Peer support teams: How to build trust and maximize effectiveness

This week’s conversation goes beyond “be more resilient” and into the practical realities of burnout, moral injury, mentoring and culture, including the role of frontline and unofficial leaders in shaping what “normal” looks like inside an agency. John also shares the Wake County approach to peer support: presence first, then resources, plus the power of finding your people: your team, your tribe, your board of directors.

Memorable quotes from John Sammons
  • “We have folks that don’t stay in the profession. We have folks that leave. We have folks that unfortunately develop substantial mental health crises up to and including, unfortunately, suicide in our profession.”

  • “What an amazing privilege that we’re invited into somebody’s home to take care of them and to figure it out.”

  • “Every one of those people expects to call 911 and have an expert show up and solve the problem.”

  • “I work to live, I don’t live to work. And that’s a great philosophy to have.”

  • “Everybody goes home ... but there should be an addendum on the bottom of it that says, ‘but everybody comes back tomorrow.’”

  • “Nobody gets us like we get us.”

  • “Leadership is action, not a title.”

  • “Everybody has their bucket, and everybody’s bucket can only hold so much.”

  • “Nobody got into this because we wanted to be crusty and angry and miserable and difficult to be around.”

Episode timeline

00:40 – Rob opens the episode and introduces John Sammons and the theme: resilience and beyond

02:05 – John’s “Sammons 101” bio: Wake County APP, peer support, Lighthouse Leadership involvement

03:01 – Burnout data and why it matters for retention and wellbeing

04:16 – Wake County’s Advanced Practice Paramedic Program: the “three Rs”

05:03 – John’s post-COVID turning point: “I’m done ... I don’t want to do this anymore”

06:12 – What brings John back to work: purpose, people, privilege, challenge

09:16 – Prevention and balance: identity beyond the job, sleep, nutrition, purpose

12:15 – Peer support in practice: presence, triage, in-house clinician, canines, statewide resources

17:09 – Podcast/vodcast reminder and John’s slides supporting the discussion

18:14 – NAEMT Lighthouse Leadership: why relationships and peers are the real multiplier

20:39 – Mentorship as a resilience strategy: formal programs and informal investment

24:25 – Culture: administration vs frontline leaders vs unofficial leaders

28:06 – Closing reflections: remembering why we got into EMS

30:36 – Final takeaways

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‘We love this job — and it’s hurting us’: Paramedic Sophie on EMS burnout and culture change22 janv. 202600:35:00

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Sophie Fuller — better known across social media as Paramedic Sophie — joins host Rob Lawrence for a candid, energizing conversation about what it really feels like to work in EMS right now: pride, the pressure, the burnout, and the culture issues that too many providers have been taught to silently absorb.

Sophie is a critical care ground paramedic, flight paramedic, educator and president of the Tennessee Association of EMS Providers (TAEMSP), and she brings a provider-first lens to everything from leadership visibility, to mental health and pay equity.

Together, Rob and Sophie dig into why Sophie started creating content in the first place (hint: burnout and the need to connect), how social media can be used as a force for good, and what “healthy” EMS culture should look like in practice. Sophie shares practical advice for crews and leaders alike:

  • Be human

  • Say the uncomfortable thing

  • Stop normalizing harm

  • Build systems that “care back” for the people doing the work

Memorable quotes
  • “We're just working in systems that haven't yet learned how to care back for the provider.” — Sophie Fuller

  • “Management by walking about. Don't be stuck in the office. Don't say my door is always open because that relies on people coming in to see you. Get out and go and see them.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “We love this job and that distracts us from the fact that it's also hurting us.” — Sophie Fuller

  • “Just because it's normal doesn't mean it's healthy.” — Sophie Fuller

  • “We confuse trauma with tradition.” — Sophie Fuller

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Episode timeline

01:00 – Rob introduces Sophie Fuller (“Paramedic Sophie”) and frames the influencer vs. “effluencer” concept

02:14 – Sophie’s origin story: graphic design → hospital tech → EMT → volunteer fire → paramedic → critical care → flight

06:16 – TAEMSP: why Tennessee needed a provider-level association and the shift toward legislative advocacy

08:05 – Why she started with social media: two full-time 911 jobs, low pay, burnout and the need for an outlet/connection

09:32 – Defining EMS burnout: the “jar on the shelf” and cumulative strain that becomes chronic fatigue

13:26 – Sophie’s guidance to providers: vulnerability, telling the truth and not letting naysayers silence needed conversations

16:00 – Sophie’s message to leadership: don’t be the “Wizard of Oz” — show up, communicate and stay connected to crews

20:26 – EMS culture: self-sacrifice, silence, “earning your place through suffering,” and confusing trauma with tradition

23:10 – Sophie’s book “The Next Shift”: a field guide to “learn, lead and last” in EMS

26:03 – Mistakes and “just culture”: reporting, mentoring, anonymous reporting systems, and learning vs. blame

32:08 – Closing challenge: stop normalizing harm; speak up for culture and patient care

33:14 – Where to find Sophie online and how large her platform has become

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NEMSQA 2025 Report: In trauma care, consistency outperforms heroics15 janv. 202600:37:07

In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence is joined by his own Medical Director, Dr. Maia Dorsett, to unpack the 2025 NEMSQA Measures Report — a deep dive into trauma-focused quality measures built largely from NEMSIS data.

Dr. Dorsett frames the discussion around the central aim of quality improvement:

  • Are we doing a good job?
  • Are we delivering the best possible care?
  • How do we get better?

From pediatric vital signs to traumatic brain injury (TBI) fundamentals, she walks listeners through what the report reveals, what it can’t reliably measure yet, and why some of the “sexy” procedures are too rare to serve as useful system-wide metrics.

The conversation highlights a recurring theme: fundamentals matter most. Dr. Dorsett explains how measures like complete vital signs and avoiding secondary brain injury in TBI (hypoxia, hypotension, hyperventilation) can drive meaningful outcomes — even during relatively short prehospital intervals.

She also points out where current measurement approaches unintentionally create documentation burden for clinicians, arguing that systems should do more of the “figuring out” (like trauma center designation and prenotification capture) without requiring extra clicks.

The episode closes with a call to action: anyone can join NEMSQA, contribute to the work, and help shape what EMS quality measurement becomes next.

Memorable quotes from Dr. Maia Dorsett

“I think the most fundamental question in quality improvement is, are we doing a good job?”

“I think part of the value of this report is specifically looking at those things and saying what should we be measuring using NEMSIS data or how should things be integrated into that database so that the answers are there rather than needing to be documented on each individual case?”

“If there's one thing that you're going to take away from this trauma report is that, the sexy stuff is important, but it happens rarely. And if you want to improve care in your system, it's about the fundamentals of good care.”

Additional resources

Episode timeline

00:31 – Rob welcomes listeners; introduces the 2025 NEMSQA measures discussion and notes prior episode with Dr. Jeff Jarvis

01:10 – Dr. Dorsett joins; holiday surge discussion and flu impact on EDs and admissions

03:08 – Dr. Dorsett explains her role as co-chair of NEMSQA’s Measure Analysis and Research Committee; trauma focus of the 2025 report; pain measures not included due to active research

05:00 – NEMSIS scale and opportunity: extracting meaningful measures from a massive national dataset

05:35 – Dr. Dorsett on what NEMSIS measures well vs. what it shouldn’t force clinicians to document (system should determine trauma center status)

07:46 – “HALO procedures” table: why rare interventions shouldn’t become national quality measures

10:17 – Trauma 08: complete vital signs; pediatric gap (adults ~93% vs pediatrics ~85% in discussion)

14:22 – TBI measures: preventing secondary brain injury; why fundamentals outperform “sexy” fixes; correction rates for hypotension/hypoxia discussed

21:39 – Trauma 04: trauma triage criteria and transport to trauma centers; why national measure looks low; documentation field limitations

24:17 – State collaboration comparison: using state trauma center designation data shifts performance dramatically (often 75–90%+ in examples)

26:55 – Trauma 14: hospital prenotification; importance and measurement challenges (multiple modalities, inconsistent capture)

30:01 – Rob raises operational/policy concerns about trauma alerts and incentives; Dr. Dorsett adds nuance about local criteria variation

33:22 – Closing: Dr. Dorsett’s “fundamentals matter” takeaway; impact at scale

34:44 – Dr. Dorsett plugs joining NEMSQA as an individual/agency; committees are open

35:31 – NAEMSP Tampa preview; Dr. Dorsett: “The people” are why she goes — leaves energized with new ideas

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Leading through momentum: Dr. Douglas Kupas on steering NAEMSP08 janv. 202600:39:19

Dr. Douglas Kupas joins Rob Lawrence to kick off EMS One-Stop in 2026, reflecting on his first year as President of NAEMSP — a year he describes as fast-moving, complex and occasionally “whack-a-mole,” with emerging issues demanding real-time leadership while long-term priorities still had to move forward.

He shares what he’s learned about the presidency, the value of NAEMSP’s leadership “bench strength,” and why advocacy and coalition-building across national EMS organizations has become more coordinated, more strategic and more essential.

The conversation then turns to what’s immediately ahead: the NAEMSP Annual Meeting in Tampa (late January), including pre-conference courses, the flagship Medical Director’s Course, and a packed scientific program. Kupas highlights a keynote focused on transforming battlefield trauma care; major research programming through oral abstracts and hundreds of posters; and high-impact sessions spanning clinical care, operations, legal issues, and international perspectives — reinforcing why the Tampa meeting remains a must-attend event for anyone serious about the science and future of EMS.

Episode timeline

00:00 – Rob tees up NAEMSP Annual Meeting growth as a “good problem to have” 00:50 – Welcome/Happy New Year 2026; Dr. Kupas introduced as first guest of the year 01:45 – Year one as NAEMSP president: what’s surprised Dr. Kupas, pace of work, governance “bench strength” 04:26 – NEMSAC termination: what happened, what NAEMSP hopes comes next 07:02 – Building the pipeline: medical student/resident interest group, travel support ideas 08:47 – “Hot off the press:” NAEMSP accepted into WHO Acute Care Action Network 10:08 – Advocacy “hunting as a pack:” overlapping national orgs, EMS on the Hill coordination 12:40 – Why Hill visits work: stories, staffers and why first-timers matter 16:48 – “White hat” advocacy and patient-centered priorities; ED wall time as a key issue 20:07 – Tampa preview: “It’s not just for docs,” NAEMSP membership structure 22:11 – Pre-cons overview: Medical Director’s Course, QI workshop, MIH, ventilation, blood, TECC 23:55 – Keynote: Dr. Frank Butler and special intro by Dr. Bob Mabry; Grand Rounds obstetric focus 27:45 – Major legal session format and why legal content draws a crowd 29:28 – Space constraints and future planning: small convention centers; San Diego “buyout” scale 31:49 – Research explosion: oral abstracts, posters, receptions; better ways to access abstracts 34:39 – “Meat of the conference:” operations, clinical topics, international speakers/learning 36:49 – Closing question: Bill details

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The EMS Avenger returns: Jimmy Apple’s no-holds-barred take on tech, burnout and backboards30 déc. 202500:31:18

As the year wraps, Rob Lawrence welcomes back the “EMS Avenger” Jimmy Apple for a fast-moving, end-of-year pulse check on the EMS universe — through the lens of social media, research and what frontline clinicians are actually saying when the mic is on and the comments are open.

Building on last week’s data-and-trends conversation , this episode pivots into “the world according to Jimmy Apple” and his alter ego, the EMS Avenger, exploring what’s made providers lean in, push back or flat-out declare “enough is enough.”

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From burnout and workforce conditions to AI-assisted ECG interpretation and the rise of microlearning, the conversation lands on a central theme: the future of EMS isn’t just protocols — it’s people, technology and how we choose to learn, adapt and debate. Jimmy also names his “paper of the year” on spinal immobilization, explains how he handles disagreement without falling into “quicksand arguments,” and previews a packed 2026 speaking calendar — plus a relaunch of his podcast.

Memorable quotes
  • “If we can just verify that you’re retaining the information, that’s much more important than the veracity of how long it took you to get that information.” — Jimmy Apple

  • “You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.” — Jimmy Apple

  • “That’s the future; is that literally, we’re going to swipe it, absorb it and swipe away again.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “My paper of the year is the paper that was published on spinal mobilization … It does not support the use of backboards as anything other than an extrication tool.” — Jimmy Apple

  • “I think that a big push that I’m making this year is to really start talking about the EMS provider as the person.” — Jimmy Apple

Episode timeline
  • 00:56 — Rob welcomes listeners, references year-in-review data and notes ambulance thefts continue to trend.

  • 01:38 — Rob brings Jimmy back and asks for a quick summary of Jimmy’s year and growing reach, and the top themes Jimmy has seen.

  • 04:12 — Jimmy identifies provider conditions and mindset as the dominant theme and describes discussion of collapse/collapsing systems.

  • 06:12 — Jimmy explains social media as the pulse point and highlights burnout, anger and provider frustration.

  • 06:52 — Jimmy pivots to technology’s growing role and EMS resistance to tech encroachment in practice.

  • 07:23 — Rob connects the tech thread to conference observations (Axon, AI). Jimmy gives examples (AI 12-lead, apps) and argues tech advancement shouldn’t be rejected due to “skill deterioration” fears.

  • 09:34 — Rob asks Jimmy’s “how do you explain complex concepts quickly?” Jimmy uses the Michelangelo anecdote to describe stripping concepts to essentials; critiques padded, time-gated education.

  • 12:29 — Jimmy argues for education credit models that recognize microlearning and self-directed learning if retention can be verified.

  • 14:04 — Rob asks for standout research; Jimmy discusses RSI/induction agent considerations, pressors debate and prehospital antibiotics.

  • 16:47 — Rob and Jimmy preview NAEMSP’s annual meeting (“research Disney”), value of posters, networking and clinical depth.

  • 18:26 — Jimmy names spinal immobilization evidence review as his “paper of the year” and explains its conclusions.

  • 21:36 — Rob asks how Jimmy handles disagreement/detractors with a larger platform — Jimmy describes disagreement as healthy, focuses on respectful pushback and staying anchored in data.

  • 29:00 — Final question: Jimmy emphasizes “provider as person,” healing the clinician and a sponsored podcast relaunch in January.

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EMS at the edge: Inside a year of reckoning and redesign26 déc. 202500:36:01

As EMS closes out 2025, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Matt Zavadsky (PWWAG) and Rodney Dyche (Patient Care EMS Solutions) for their second annual EMSIntel.org “year in review” conversation — a fast-moving tour through the biggest stories shaping the EMS profession.

Drawing from the EMSIntel news log (now 3,849 stories as of the morning of recording), the trio connects what’s making headlines to what EMS leaders are experiencing on the ground: unstable economics, governance pressure, system redesign and rising operational risk.

The discussion lands on several recurring themes: economic sustainability as the dominant issue; the real-world politics of tax levies and “essential service” designations; the ongoing obsession with response times (and what they cost); preventable ambulance thefts escalating in severity; and the importance of measuring and publishing clinical outcomes and meaningful performance metrics. The through-line: communities are being forced into more honest conversations about what they can afford — and what EMS should look like going into 2026.

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Memorable quotes
  • “Having a thoughtful conversation about what your system needs to look like on the go forward is paramount.” — Rodney Dyche
  • “If you don’t talk about yourself, somebody else will, and then you don’t control the narrative.” — Rob Lawrence
  • “Our No. 1 focus really needs to be on the economic sustainability of these systems because we are past the breaking point.” — Matt Zavadsky
  • “Response times equals speed; speed equals crashes.” — Rob Lawrence
  • “These theft incidents are … in almost all cases, 100% preventable by an aftermarket device … probably for 100 or $150.” — Rodney Dyche
  • “Response times are expensive. The shorter that you want your response times, the more money it’s going to take.” — Matt Zavadsky
  • “Across every provider type … the fee-for-service revenue is 50% to 60% below the cost of providing service. So when somebody says to you, ‘I can do this for free,’ ask more questions.” — Matt Zavadsky
  • “Response times are used as a cudgel.” — Rodney Dyche
Episode timeline
  • 01:11 – Rob introduces the end of 2025 reflection and 2026 look-ahead; welcomes Matt Zavadsky and Rodney Dyche for the second annual EMSIntel year-in-review.
  • 02:26 – Rodney reports the EMSIntel log count (“3,849 as of this morning”); Rob explains EMSIntel’s purpose: curating national EMS stories to identify themes and brief stakeholders.
  • 04:13 – Matt names the year’s biggest issue: economic sustainability; the fiscal model is broken and impacts everything else. 06:32 – Matt walks through the “AnyTown EMS” trajectory: communities can’t sustain old models, must define service levels, use system intelligence, and redesign for a modern “2028 model.”
  • 09:06 – Matt cites the Medicare/RAND cost collection findings and warns that fee-for-service revenue sits far below actual costs; “ask more questions” when someone promises “free.”
  • 10:12 – The group discusses communities pursuing tax levies and essential-service framing; Rodney contrasts places that pass funding measures with places that don’t, and highlights local politics and competing priorities.
  • 11:52 – Matt clarifies that “essential service” means different things to the public versus statute; agencies need trust, transparency and real community education to succeed at the ballot box.
  • 13:50 – Rodney describes the “cost of readiness” misunderstanding (public sees mileage, not readiness); Matt pushes proactive reporting (monthly/quarterly/annual) to build credibility.
  • 15:35 – Matt pivots to response times: they’re expensive, clinically relevant in a small fraction of cases, and should be approached with evidence-based expectations and better triage/EMD practices.
  • 18:14 – Rodney connects hot responses to preventable intersection crashes and modern driver realities; the discussion frames safety risk as a growing operational storyline.
  • 20:21 – Matt adds an editorial caution that crashes are not confined to any one sector; points to recent examples including serious injuries during responses.
  • 22:37 – Rob returns to ambulance thefts; Rodney calls most thefts preventable; Matt argues the basic lock discipline exists already and presses for stronger accountability and accreditation-style best practice.
  • 26:11 – Rob flags downstream legal and regulatory risk (litigation exposure after stolen-unit crashes; DEA-controlled substances security implications).
  • 26:52 – Rodney raises staffing; notes fewer staffing stories than 2024 but questions whether the situation is truly better; mentions earn-to-learn pipeline concerns.
  • 28:13 – Matt describes the shift toward tiered deployment and greater EMT utilization, reducing pressure to staff large numbers of paramedics for calls that don’t require that level.
  • 30:17 – Matt emphasizes outcomes and meaningful performance metrics; argues many systems still report the wrong measures and should lead with clinical metrics, patient experience, and quality indicators.
  • 31:08 – Rodney reinforces that response times get weaponized in governance decisions; notes boards can be swayed by “advanced skills” narratives rather than outcome data.
  • 33:25 – Forward-looking wrap: Matt highlights daily calls from communities that “can’t afford this anymore” and urges leaders to seize the redesign opportunity; Rodney echoes the need for planning and honest community conversations.

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We deserve this: The Journey to a National EMS Memorial in D.C.18 déc. 202500:38:29

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence revisits an issue close to the heart of every EMS professional: creating a permanent National EMS Memorial in Washington, D.C.

Rob is joined by Tony O’Brien and James Robinson from the National EMS Memorial Foundation to provide a clear, candid update on where the project stands, why it matters, and what still needs to be done.

From the Weekend of Remembrance to the dream of a year-round place of solace and reverence in the nation’s capital, this conversation lays out the long road from idea to reality — and why EMS, as James puts it, truly deserves this.

Tony and James walk listeners through the 24-step federal Commemorative Works Act process, the hard work of narrowing 312 potential sites down to three, and the current push to reauthorize the Foundation’s federal authority through House Resolution 2196 and Senate Bill 2546.

They explain the preferred site in front of the Hubert H. Humphrey Building (HHS), the partnership with MIT’s School of Architecture and Urban Risk Lab on a powerful design, and the practical realities of funding, sponsorship and bureaucracy.

Most importantly, they end with a clear call to action for the EMS community: contact your elected officials, donate what you can, and help spread the word so that a permanent memorial to EMS can finally take its place in Washington, D.C.

Additional resources Episode timeline

00:44 – Rob introduces the episode, sets the scene for a revisit of the National EMS Memorial effort, and welcomes guests Tony O’Brien and James Robinson.

01:30 – Tony and James share their backstories.

03:53 – Tony explains the origins of the Foundation at the Weekend of Remembrance/Weekend of Honor and the realization that EMS needs a permanent memorial people can visit year-round.

06:54 – James outlines the Commemorative Works Act, the 24-step process, and how the Foundation has reached step 15-16 over roughly 15 years.

07:54 – Tony details the grueling site-selection work: visiting 312 sites, environmental and noise studies, traffic and solitude considerations, and narrowing to three candidate locations.

10:48 – James describes the need for an Act of Congress to begin, Congressman Stephen Lynch’s early sponsorship, and the 2018 authorization that started a 7-year clock — complicated by the pandemic and federal shutdowns.

13:12 – Tony explains how the initial authorization expired, the need for reauthorization and the most recent Senate subcommittee hearing on federal lands where James testified.

16:41 – James and Tony frame the new bills: Senate Bill 2546 and House Resolution 2196, their bipartisan sponsors and the push for more co-sponsors.

19:49 – Tony lays out the three-point call to action: contact Congress, donate via EMSMemorial.org, and follow/share @EMSMemorial on social media.

23:06 – Tony describes the three remaining sites and why Independence Ave. & 3rd St SW, in front of HHS, is the preferred location.

24:42 – Tony highlights the pro-bono design work by MIT’s School of Architecture and Urban Risk Lab, and the deep engagement with providers, families and survivors.

26:32 – James explains the historical nexus of EMS with HEW/HHS and why the Humphrey Building plaza offers the right reverence, proximity to the Capitol and connection to EMS history.

29:01 – Tony and James discuss next steps: reauthorization first, then finalizing site and design to approach major sponsors with clear answers on location, look and cost — while acknowledging the project has been bootstrapped so far.

32:03 – Tony reassures donors: the Foundation is a 501(c)(3), the board are all volunteers with only necessary professional services paid from donations.

33:13 – Tony gives shout-outs to the National EMS Memorial Service and the National EMS Memorial Bike Ride, and explains how the three organizations’ missions align.

37:12 – Rob recaps the journey, reinforces the call to action, and closes the show with thanks to Tony and James and a reminder to visit EMSMemorial.org and like/subscribe to EMS One-Stop.

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Hyper-turbulent times: EMS economics and AI guardrails with Matt Zavadsky and Dr. Shannon Gollnick03 déc. 202500:27:25

Recorded on the floor of the EMS|MC EMSpire Conference in Charleston, South Carolina, this episode of EMS One-Stop finds host Rob Lawrence in conversation with long-time collaborator and EMS advocate Matt Zavadsky.

Fresh off the longest federal government shutdown in history, Rob and Matt unpack what the hyper-turbulence in Washington really means for EMS: suspended Medicare extenders, disrupted grant programs, agencies taking out loans just to meet payroll and training programs put on hold.

They break down NAEMT’s flash poll on the shutdown’s impact, the promise of the Treatment in Place (TIP) legislation, and why associations “hunting as a pack” on Capitol Hill matters more than ever.

Along the way, they spotlight EMSIntel.org as a national barometer of EMS funding, staffing and response time crises, and issue a clear call to action for providers, billers and leaders to use association tools to contact their members of Congress.

| MORE: Government reopens: What EMS providers need to know right now

In the second half, Rob is joined by Dr. Shannon Gollnick, paramedic, EMS leader and organizational psychologist, to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping EMS — right now.

Shannon makes the case that AI is “not the future; it is the present,” and that agency leaders must urgently build literacy, policies and guardrails around its use. They dig into the difference between HIPAA-compliant, embedded AI in ePCR systems, and risky open tools like ChatGPT, touching on hallucinations, embedded code and emerging Medicare fraud-detection programs.

| MORE: Artificial to augmented intelligence. How Dr. Shannon Gollnick wants EMS to work smarter, not harder

Rob and Shannon talk about AI as a powerful but potentially dangerous tool — “like having a tiger” — and outline practical steps for chiefs:

  1. Ask: “Do we have an AI policy?”

  2. Define what AI can and cannot be used for

  3. Insist that every AI-generated work product is double-checked by a human before it hits the record

Memorable quotes
  • “We weren't here to actually scare you off it. We're here to let you know that it's here, but it's like having a tiger, right? We all love to have a tiger, but it has to be contained in some sort of guard, otherwise it's going to run rife and cause havoc, and we don't want that.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “This is part of the hyper-turbulence that's occurring in EMS right now.” — Matt Zavadsky

  • “So I think the message for the profession right now is, now is not the time to put your foot on the brake. It's time to put your foot on the gas.” — Matt Zavadsky

  • “We put the fun into function.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick

  • “I think it's important to understand that AI is not the future. It is the present. We are currently here right now. And it's nothing to be afraid of.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick

  • “If you're not doing it, I promise you that your staff is doing it and they're playing around with AI.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick

  • “Guardrails don't exist from a congressional standpoint. They don't exist from a regulatory standpoint. The technology is moving far too fast. So we as agency leaders have to take the lead in putting up some of those guardrails.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick

  • “There are ePCR software out there that are using proprietary AI that will use AI-generated narratives. And that absolutely is 100% good to go. What we don't want to see is our crews putting in their ChatGPT to have ChatGPT write their narrative.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick

  • “ChatGPT has embedded code inside of it that you can't see, but that code is there ... so what we're kind of afraid to do is to say, hey, what happens 6 months from now, 8 months from now when Medicare does an audit, they run your ePCRs and find all of this embedded code from ChatGPT ... you open yourself up for a lot of compliance issues.” — Dr. Shannon Gollnick

Additional resources:

Episode timeline:

00:21 – Rob introduces guest Matt Zavadsky

02:02 – Rob recaps the 40-plus-day federal government shutdown, questions about reopening, and his upcoming return to Capitol Hill for renewed advocacy

02:02 – Matt frames the shutdown as part of the “hyper turbulence” in EMS; explains the regulatory suspensions, pauses in Medicare extenders and grants, and how cash-flow uncertainty forced some agencies to take out loans just to make payroll

03:04 – Matt details NAEMT’s flash poll (408 agency responses) showing suspended training and grant-funded programs, and warns of a possible repeat shutdown around January 30

03:54 – Rob and Matt discuss the reopening of government, ongoing bipartisan work, and the risk that everything “comes to a grinding halt” again if Congress can’t agree

04:51 – Matt explains why NAEMT released the shutdown-impact poll even as government reopened and stresses the need to keep pushing for permanent relief from Medicare extenders and advancement of key bills like Treatment in Place (TIP)

06:03 – Matt outlines the House and Senate TIP companion bills and why Medicare paying for treatment in place is better for patients, EMS, the health system and the Medicare trust fund

06:54 – Rob notes broad association/provider support and professional lobbyists on the Hill; Matt stresses that field providers, administrators and billers must still use association legislative portals to send letters to Congress

08:08 – Matt describes a surge in communities reevaluating their EMS delivery models because of staffing, finance and subsidy challenges — “a great time to be an EMS consultant”

09:09 – Rob introduces EMSIntel.org as a curated clearinghouse of EMS news, used to show communities they aren’t alone; describes failed tax measures and funding referenda

10:15 – Matt cites EMS Intel data: ~85% of stories each month involve funding, staffing or response times; Rob and Matt stress the ubiquity of these themes from big cities to small towns

11:09 – Rob highlights mutual aid tensions and taxpayers questioning why they “pay to send our resources somewhere else;” both emphasize that hyper-turbulence and funding gaps are national issues

13:23 – Rob resets the scene from the EMSpire conference and recaps Matt’s Hill update before introducing Dr. Shannon Gollnick

14:41 – Shannon gives his backstory: in EMS since 1996, paramedic since 2002, progression into EMS leadership, doctorate in organizational psychology and focus on how organizations function

15:14 – “We put the fun into function.”

15:24 – Rob invites Shannon to talk AI, calling it “the specter we are embracing everywhere,” and references HIPAA concerns; Shannon opens with the core message: AI is not the future, it’s the present, and nothing to be afraid of

16:03 – Shannon urges leaders to build AI literacy, noting that if agencies aren’t using it, their staff and the younger generation already are

16:28 – Shannon emphasizes policy and procedure: AI guardrails aren’t coming from Congress or regulators, so agency leaders must define how AI will be used and where its limits are

16:55 – Rob reminds listeners that AI in EMS isn’t new, citing early monitor rhythm interpretation in the UK; Shannon underscores that crews already use AI tools and that unmanaged cut-and-paste practices can create billing and compliance risks

17:24 – Shannon explains the dangers of using open tools like ChatGPT for ePCR narratives: potential PHI exposure in a “black box” system and AI hallucinations generating plausible but false patient information

18:21 – Shannon describes how AI “wants to answer your question and make you happy,” leading to made-up details, and shares examples from testing minimal-input scenarios that returned overly detailed, inaccurate narratives.

19:03 – Shannon calls ChatGPT “kind of a snitch,” explaining embedded code markers that fraud detection tools — and increasingly Medicare’s AI-based “Wiser” program — can use to identify AI-written content in documentation

19:59 – Shannon warns about retrospective audits and compliance exposure if ChatGPT-coded narratives are found in ePCRs, noting that AI rules are still emerging and tech is outrunning regulation

20:51 – Rob summarizes the mixed message: AI is here and being built into devices and software, but there are real dangers. They discuss data going “to the cloud” — which Shannon defines as “somebody else’s computer.”

21:24 – Shannon frames AI as a powerful tool that can “put a lot of holes in the wall” if misused; he references fraudulent AI uses and deepfakes as emerging issues

22:05 – Shannon compares AI’s impact to the internet’s paradigm shift; Rob gives a “spoiler alert” about his own workflow using transcripts and ChatGPT agents, and notes the importance of reading and checking any AI-generated output

22:45 – Shannon reinforces that AI makes mistakes and cannot understand human context; he uses his “How you doing?” Joey Tribbiani vs. Tony Soprano example to illustrate contextual nuance

23:06 – Rob expands the context point with the “Friends”/“Sopranos” slide and reminds listeners that once AI-written words are published, “you said it.” Shannon highlights the WebMD effect and AI-driven self-diagnosis risks.

24:02 – They note that ChatGPT can generate long, complex diagnoses without sufficient patient context, leading to errant or misleading outcomes if misused clinically

25:00 – Rob summarizes: AI is here and, used correctly, is a good thing; advises chiefs to ask their teams, “Do we have an AI policy?”

25:27 – Shannon outlines what an AI policy should contain: acknowledgment that AI is here; clear, non-fearful framing; specificity on what decisions AI can support; and clarity on which tools (e.g., embedded EPCR AI) are allowed versus prohibited uses of ChatGPT

26:17 – Shannon stresses AI should not be used for clinical decision-making or clinical narrative writing; its role should be administrative only, and all outputs must be double-checked

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Jamaica Fire Brigade’s front line: Inside the Hurricane Melissa response13 nov. 202500:30:58

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence welcomes Dr. Hezedean Smith, who spotlights the human and operational toll of Hurricane Melissa on Jamaica and the wider Caribbean.

Dr. Smith draws from first-hand perspective from the ground, detailing catastrophic damage to homes, utilities, roads and communications — which compounded the workload and emotional burden for Jamaica Fire Brigade (JFB) firefighters and EMS providers.

Dr. Smith highlighted the Brigade’s Amazon Wish List effort, which aims to route essential personal items and operational supplies directly to affected JFB members and stations to sustain continuity of operations and support responders’ families.

After the break, Dr. Smith switched hats as the newly elected President of NEMSMA to outline the association’s renewed momentum:

  • New association management support

  • Expanded member services and credentials

  • The inaugural NEMSMA Leadership Conference

The NEMSMA Leadership Conference will take place in Washington, D.C., March 23-24, 2026, intentionally adjacent to EMS on the Hill to create a leadership-plus-advocacy “two-fer.” Highlights include keynote Gen. Robert Neller (Ret.), plus a deep bench of EMS leaders and educators.

Memorable quotes from Dr. Hezedean Smith
  • “Many homes destroyed, utility systems interrupted, critical infrastructure in terms of communities having the ability to communicate, leaving thousands displaced, even fire stations having operational challenges as it relates to communication and interoperability ... ”

  • “I stayed in the local fire station. I wanted to be there with the men and women on the ground, to make sure that I had that communication, that constant contact with them.”

  • “My focus will be on the firefighters and ensuring that we get enough supplies to go directly to the firefighters.”

  • “We want to tear down silos. We want to redefine leadership and ensure that we continue to collaborate across this globe.”

Additional resources: Episode timeline:

00:46 – Quick industry/policy update

01:27 – Set-up: Hurricane Melissa overview; impact stats and current situation

02:12 – Welcome Dr. Hezedean Smith

02:26 – Dr. Smith’s backstory: Jamaica roots, USAF medic, Orlando FD, two fire chief roles, GES Consulting, Caribbean EMS focus

04:20 – First reactions to Melissa: scale of damage; compounded human toll

05:58 – Deployment cadence: aligning with JFB command, CDEMA, national EOC; travel hurdles; rapid integration on arrival

08:28 – Why existing relationships matter; staying in-station with crews; supporting leaders and frontline needs

11:13 – Call to action: Amazon wish list for responders’ personal and operational needs; distribution via JFB logistics

13:20 – Specific needs (PPE, boots, clothing, hygiene, basic medical supplies) and the ongoing recovery realities

17:46 – NEMSMA — new president, renewed energy, new AMC, who NEMSMA serves

20:14 – Board/leadership shout-outs; programs (FTEP, ACPE), member services, momentum

22:49 – Conference preview (Mar 23–24, 2026, D.C.): theme — disruptive leadership; Gen. Robert Neller keynote; speaker lineup; proximity to EMS on the Hill

26:29 – IJOP collaboration and research-to-podcast pipeline; communications and sponsorship improvements

28:29 – Closing thanks; unified call to support JFB and engage with NEMSMA initiatives

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EMS shutdown survival: What leaders need to know now10 oct. 202500:33:00

From Medicare cuts to billing delays, Asbel Montes joins Rob Lawrence to share practical strategies EMS agencies can use to weather the reimbursement storm

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, we tackle the fast-moving realities of a federal shutdown and what it means for EMS finance, reimbursement and day-to-day operations.

Rob Lawrence sits down with Solutions Group’s Asbel Montes — a veteran of EMS reimbursement and policy expertise — to decode where Congress is (and isn’t), what CMS’s temporary claims hold really means, and how ambulance services can protect cash flow while preparing for potential reprocessing chaos if extenders aren’t promptly restored.

Beyond the headlines, Montes lays out a pragmatic playbook: build a Plan B for cash continuity, align with your billing team on reprocessing workflows, and model exposure across payers tied to the Medicare fee schedule. The conversation then widens to balance billing — why federal change is unlikely soon and why state-level action is delivering practical protections — before closing with leadership lessons on adaptation, data and telling EMS’s story as a guide, not the hero.

Memorable quotes from Asbel Montes

“Our extender expired — that’s that additional payment that we get from Medicare of that 2%, 3%, 22.6% — it expired September the 30th, and it was tied to the House-approved CR that went over to the Senate.”

“We’re solutions givers, as we say here at Solutions Group, not crisis managers. And if you have a plan, I can at least execute a plan.”

“What turned out to be a smaller amount, now the cost associated with it, you started to really understand the complexities that really happened in people’s AR.”

“If this lasts longer than 15 days … then I would basically have a plan in place. So I would be trying to find out from my billing team … what is your contingency plan to ensure I don’t see a hiccup in cash moving forward?”

“The only way government can really invoke change is to make it hit where it hurts. And that’s what’s going on right now. They’re hitting the pocketbook and our industry is grappling with it right now.”

Additional resources

Episode timeline & key moments

00:21 – Why the shutdown matters to EMS reimbursement and operations

01:21 – Montes’s 101: role at Solutions Group; 28 years in EMS finance and policy

02:40 – Historical context: number and length of shutdowns; current Hill outlook

03:48 – The ambulance extenders expired (2% urban, 3% rural, 22.6% super-rural); CMS claims hold window

05:03 – Planning posture: realistic timelines; “we’re solutions givers, not crisis managers”

06:12 – Back-of-the-napkin math: short-term dollars vs. long-term reprocessing burden

07:43 – 2015–2016 déjà vu: retroactive fixes and the heavy lift for back-office AR

10:26 – Secondary impacts: VA eligibility, appeals, enrollments during a prolonged shutdown

11:11 – The “three-legged stool” for leaders: (1) have a plan with billing; (2) reconcile accounts & patient balances; (3) prevent cash-flow lag if more than15 days

14:06 – Framing the moment: “hurricane shutdown” response and recovery mindset

15:43 – Balance billing at the federal level: committee work, political pain and why movement is unlikely soon

18:19 – State action wins: consumer protections and access; examples of Medicare-indexed approaches

20:24 – Why ground ambulance stayed out of federal NSA; local regulation and state primacy

22:42 – “All politics are local”: using EMS’s public visibility to advocate for patients and providers

23:09 – Adaptation over preservation: seize the 6-18 month window; let data and clinicians lead reform

27:13 – Lawrence’s “Darwinism” takeaway: adaptation as survival

28:31 – The Leadership Lab podcast: purpose, cadence and upcoming guests; Montes’s leadership journey

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Rainn Wilson on ‘Code 3’ and the brutal beauty of EMS life18 sept. 202500:23:54

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, our host, Rob Lawrence, sits down with Hollywood actor Rainn Wilson, who stars as Randy in “Code 3.”

Known worldwide for his role as Dwight Schrute in The Office, Wilson has stepped into the world of EMS, portraying the life of a burned-out paramedic with both grit and humor. In the conversation, Wilson reflects on the process of bringing this story to life, his ride-along experiences in Los Angeles, and the powerful realities he uncovered about our profession.

More than just a performance, Rainn has become an unexpected advocate for EMS. He speaks candidly about the underfunding of frontline providers, the emotional toll of the work and the sheer humanity that comes with being welcomed into people’s lives during their most vulnerable moments.

Alongside the serious themes, he reminds us that Code 3 is also a comedy — one that captures the gallows humor, camaraderie and resilience medics carry with them on every shift.

| MORE: Why ‘Code 3’ might be the most honest EMS film yet. From a ticking salary counter to fourth-wall confessions, this EMS road movie isn’t just another Hollywood take. It’s a love letter, a warning and a mirror.

Memorable quotes from Rainn Wilson
  • “Most of all, I just fell in love with the character of Randy.”

  • “Bottom line, the fact that first responders are getting basically what people that work at Starbucks are getting paid really blew my mind.”

  • “Well, one thing I never thought of, maybe stupidly so, is how vulnerable everything is because you're going into people's homes and they're in crisis.”

  • “I think Rob, no one should be allowed to graduate from high school without their kind of basic CPR training.”

  • “Everything about EMS — the tone, the vibe, the gallows humor, certainly all the technical medical elements, the burnout, the camaraderie, the idea that there's a mission here — they do it because they love it.”

  • “Well, it was an honor to learn about this world and to make a movie that these workers are excited about and proud of.”

  • “I want to say from the bottom of my heart, you know, ‘thank you. Thank you for your work. And, you know, I think it's grossly underappreciated, but, you know, America needs you.’”

Episode timeline

00:26 – Rainn Wilson on the vulnerability of entering people’s homes in crisis

00:57 – “All we want to do is save your life. Some of you don’t make it easy.”

02:53 – Rainn’s first impressions of the “Code 3” script

03:38 – Falling in love with the character of Randy

04:22 – Discovering the realities of EMS work and shocking pay disparities

06:09 – Lessons from Wilson’s Los Angeles ride-along

10:12 – Wilson on CPR training and why everyone should learn it

12:29 – “We’re essentially a tube and a pump.”

13:11 – Rehearsals and the importance of portraying EMS medicine accurately

15:09 – On burnout, PTSD and the need to support medics’ mental health

18:08 – Using “Code 3” salary comparison as an advocacy tool

19:07 – Wilson praises Rob Riggle’s ED doctor role and its realism

20:41 – Cherishing the chance to shed light on EMS

21:10 – Reminder that the film is also a comedy — “a good old time with a bucket of popcorn”

22:25 – Final message: “America needs you. Keep saving lives.”

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Burnout, bravery and gratitude: The story behind ‘Code 3’08 sept. 202500:34:44

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence sits down with Patrick Pianezza, co-writer of the new EMS film “Code 3”, a deeply honest and compelling portrayal of life on the ambulance.

The film stars Rainn Wilson (“The Office”), Lil Rel Howery (“Free Guy”) and Aimee Carrero (“Elena of Avalor”), delivering a powerful performance that captures both the pressures and the humanity of EMS work. Using real-world experiences and stories from the field, “Code 3” highlights the passion, dedication and emotional toll experienced by EMS professionals every day. From burnout, to systemic challenges, the movie invites the public into the high-stakes world of emergency medical services, showing both the challenges and the heart behind the uniform.

Patrick and Rob discuss not only the storytelling process, but also the personal experiences that informed the movie. Pianezza candidly shares the emotional toll of EMS work, the reality of burnout and the importance of mental health support for first responders.

This episode is both a celebration of the dedication of those who serve in 911 and a call for awareness and gratitude for the vital work they perform. “Code 3” opens in selected cinemas on Sept. 12, 2025.

Memorable quotes

  • “I remember going to one of my old bosses and saying, ‘I think I'm burning out.’ The reaction I got was this dark chuckle … ‘We're all burnt out. Get back on the truck.’ That kind of festering mentality is not healthy.” — Patrick Pianezza

  • “Six out of six people that I have worked with have unfortunately [died by] suicide, and the suicide rates for first responders is double that of the regular population … which is a statistic we need to fix.” — Patrick Pianezza

  • “And it is … a good representation of life on the truck, on the street, with a guy who’s clearly burned out; but a person that cares, that has passion, commitment and will always do the right thing.” — Patrick Pianezza

  • “There was no way to confront the story without talking about salaries, without talking about reimbursements … No one's gonna see a movie about Medicare, Medicaid, but we are as honest as we can be.” — Patrick Pianezza

  • “This movie is nothing more than a gratitude tour for everyone who works in 911 … I’ll be a broken record here: thank you for what it is that you do because it matters. I’ve been in those boots and I’m here to tell you thank you.” — Patrick Pianezza

  • “And as I say in my review, those who know me know my ability to take tactical naps during movies. Well, this one got two eyes open and absolutely five stars.” — Rob Lawrence

Episode timeline

00:00 – Introduction: Rob Lawrence introduces Patrick Pianezza and the film “Code 3” starring Rainn Wilson

02:31 – Origins of “Code 3:” How the project started and the vision behind telling an authentic EMS story

05:01 – Creative team & casting: working with actors, crew and Rainn Wilson

08:01 – On-the-Street authenticity: translating real EMS experiences into the film

12:01 – Depicting burnout: emotional and mental challenges in EMS work

16:01 – Mental health & seeking help: Autobiographical elements and confronting burnout

20:01 – Systemic issues: salaries, Medicare, and Medicaid reimbursement challenges

24:01 – Impact on families & relationships: emotional toll beyond the job

27:01 – Personal reflection: Patrick’s journey, struggles and growth in EMS

29:01 – Gratitude tour: purpose of the film and acknowledging EMS professionals

32:01 – Closing thoughts: film release details, upcoming trailer and final messages of appreciation

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NEMSAC dismantled: Inside the fallout shaking federal EMS policy18 août 202500:47:24

This breaking-news edition of EMS One-Stop dives straight into the announcement that the National EMS Advisory Council (NEMSAC) has been dissolved. Host Rob Lawrence is joined by Dr. Brandon Morshedi (NEMSAC chair-elect) and Brenden Hayden (immediate past chair), who explain what NEMSAC is, what it achieved and why its sudden dismissal has left the EMS community frustrated, concerned and searching for answers.

Together, they outline the role of NEMSAC as the sole statutory advisory body connecting EMS to the federal executive branch, describe the hundreds of volunteer hours that went into shaping advisories, and discuss what happens now that years of hard work and documents have been pulled from EMS.gov.

This episode sets the record straight, provides a clear explainer of the process, and captures the disappointment — yet determination — of leaders committed to moving EMS forward despite this setback.

Additional resources:

Episode timeline

01:08 – Rob introduces the breaking news: NEMSAC dissolved

02:22 – What is NEMSAC? Brenden explains its statutory role

04:52 – How does NEMSAC differ from associations? Direct advisory to the executive branch

06:42 – Appointments, terms and how continuity usually worked

08:44 – The depth of work: meetings, subcommittees, advisories, letters

11:23 – Examples of major advisories and public comment process

14:27 – Shock: key advisories removed from EMS.gov

19:13 – Explainer: FICEMS and how advisories flow through federal government

26:25 – How members felt when dismissal was announced

30:18 – What happens to unfinished advisories and research

34:20 – Associations’ role in keeping the work alive

35:50 – The advisory each guest is most proud of

39:41 – Lessons learned: influence, unified voice, process

43:25 – Final reflections: leadership, advocacy, and what comes next

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CAAS GVS 4.0: Building safer, smarter and theft-proof ambulances14 août 202500:28:48

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence climbs back onto his soapbox to discuss two topics that directly impact on every EMS agency in America — the CAAS Ground Vehicle Standards (GVS) 4.0 and the simple, inexpensive steps we can take to stop ambulance theft.

Joining Rob is longtime EMS leader and current CAAS GVS Administrator Mark Postma, who walks us through the origins of the standards, their national adoption and what’s new in the latest update.

From ambulance remounting, to structural safety testing, Mark explains how GVS 4.0 has evolved to keep pace with manufacturing realities, supply chain delays and operational needs. The conversation then shifts to a shared passion for protecting fleet assets.

Rob and Mark dissect the shockingly frequent problem of ambulance theft and how a $200 automatic immobilization device can prevent a $250,000 vehicle from disappearing — without relying on crews to remember to lock it.

Additional resources:

Memorable quotes
  • "It’s no good going to City Council or to your board of directors on day 365 and saying, ‘I need a new truck for New Year day one’ — that’s not going to happen." — Rob Lawrence

  • "The ground vehicle standard has become the standard that most vehicles are being built to and that state EMS officials are using." — Mark Postma

  • "We spend a lot of time thinking about where things go in the box … add one more thing to your checklist: can the vehicle indeed be immobilized?" — Rob Lawrence

  • "There’s just no reason why ambulances are being stolen with the current technology that’s out there." — Mark Postma

Episode timeline

00:45 – Rob introduces the topic: GVS 4.0 and ambulance theft concerns

01:34 – Mark introduction and CAAS GVS role

04:11 – How the CAAS standards were developed and adopted by 35-plus states

06:09 – Comparing CAAS GVS to NFPA ambulance standards

06:48 – The rise of remounting, especially during COVID supply shortages

10:26 – Discussion of ongoing vehicle delivery delays and need for replacement planning

15:04 – What’s new in GVS 4.0 — major changes and safety structure updates

19:38 – Ambulance theft statistics and the GVS anti-theft requirement

22:28 – Automatic immobilization and why manual systems fail

23:57 – Mark shares success story: zero thefts since installing devices

26:17 – Exceptions in standards and why state inspectors must enforce anti-theft

27:42 – Final thoughts on making anti-theft part of fleet planning

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Public health at the front door: An MIH model to emulate11 août 202500:39:53

In this edition of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence Zooms (literally) from the U.K. to South Carolina to spotlight one of the nation’s most forward-thinking mobile integrated healthcare programs. Prisma Health’s team has taken community paramedicine beyond buzzwords, designing targeted, evidence-based programs that meet people where they are — both geographically and medically.

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Whether it's addiction medicine, rural HIV/HCV treatment or skilled nursing interventions, this team is shifting paradigms on what EMS can and should be doing.

Rob is joined by four key voices from the Prisma Health MIH program:

  • Luke Estes, director of MIH

  • Dr. Mirinda Gormley, epidemiologist and biostatistician

  • Wes Wampler, community paramedic specializing in addiction and infectious disease

  • Parker Bailes, community paramedic and research contributor

Together, they unpack how passion meets data to drive change, how to earn trust in communities overlooked by traditional systems, and why this work isn’t just novel — it’s necessary. This is EMS in its truest public health form.

Memorable quotes
  • “You delivered the goods—data-driven, community-connected care — and that’s what EMS in 2025 needs more of.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “When you see some of your people who have a passion for a certain pathway in EMS, you try to give them the reins and say, you're gonna do some good.” — Luke Estes

  • “One of the big things that we learned from his study was that we really needed to go out and make sure everybody was aware that addiction is a disease.” — Mirinda Gormley

  • “If we can gain their trust, there’s a lot more that we can kind of weasel our way into to help them solve and get them on a healthier trajectory.” — Wes Wampler

  • “Walking into the (care) facility with the mindset of, ‘I'm going to do everything I can to keep you here,’ was a big shift for me.” — Parker Bailes

  • “If we can set them up to be successful after they leave the hospital, I think that's the best way to get them reengaged with the hospital.” — Wes Wampler

  • “As their leader … all I have to say is, what do you need? I'm here to support you.” — Luke Estes

Additional resources Episode timeline

00:51 ­– Introduction to Prisma Health MIH & guests

03:00 – Luke Estes overview of MIH models (ETS, SDOH, addiction)

05:00 – Dr. Gormley’s public health journey, data-opioid focus

08:00 – Buprenorphine pilot design and research outcomes

10:15 – Challenges: bias, stigma, barriers to addiction care

13:00 – Funding and sustainability conversation

14:00 – Wes Wampler on daily workflow in addiction medicine and HCV care

17:00 – Building trust with vulnerable populations

18:30 – Parker Bailes discusses traditional CP role and skilled nursing interventions

21:45 – Alternative destinations, lab draws and high-acuity decisions

25:30 – Training: internal education, ultrasound, medication management

28:15 – Prisma’s med school connection and disaster response evolution

30:00 – State-level partnerships: SC EMS Assn, FEMA typing, CP strike teams

31:56 – Academic next steps from Dr. Gormley: scaling, publishing, process evals

35:26 – Final reflections from Luke Estes: passion, team strength and mission

38:00 – Rob’s call to action: “If you want your own Prisma team — start now.”

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Meet the EMS Avenger: Saving lives with kindness and content03 juil. 202500:29:52

In this high-impact edition of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence sits down with EMS influencer and educator Jimmy Apple, known widely across platforms as The EMS Avenger. With nearly 70,000 followers on TikTok and a growing presence on Instagram and Facebook, Jimmy has mastered the art of compressing complex clinical topics into digestible, engaging content.

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In this conversation, Rob pulls back the curtain on the man behind the mobile screen — exploring Jimmy's journey from electrician to pediatric critical care paramedic, and now, one of EMS's most watched and listened-to voices.

Listeners will gain deep insight into Jimmy’s origin story, his social media strategies, his refusal to let bad information go unchallenged, and his passionate belief that “Saving lives begins with kindness.” The pair also tackle:

  • Content creation advice for EMS agencies

  • The challenges of tone and accuracy in short-form video

  • How to maintain compassion in the face of a toxic work culture

This episode is part masterclass in communication, part call to action for the future of EMS — and all heart.

Memorable quotes from Jimmy Apple: The EMS Avenger
  • “Saving lives begins with kindness. That is my motto, it is my philosophy.”

  • “You have to package something down to its bare essence … there's some nuance lost, but you have seconds to keep people's attention.”

  • “My goals going forward are to support people who are acting in good faith while correcting the misinformation.”

  • “Generally speaking, you will draw the engagement that you're looking for. If you're putting out content in good faith, you'll get good faith engagement.”

  • “We are responsible for ourselves and how we respond … and I believe we need to respond to everything that is happening in the world today with kindness.”

Episode timeline

00:54 – Rob introduces Jimmy Apple, aka the EMS Avenger

01:20 – Jimmy’s background: from electrician to EMS

03:30 – The grandfather conversation that changed his life

04:50 – How pathophysiology sparked a love for learning

05:40 – Birth of the EMS Avenger: from student favorite to TikTok influencer

06:55 – Ginger Locke’s advice that redirected Jimmy’s podcast path

08:04 – Compressing content: "from textbook to bumper sticker"

10:00 – The content hook: “Are we getting rid of normal saline?”

11:00 – How Jimmy selects topics: research, news, curiosity and requests

13:00 – Hot topics in EMS: cricothyrotomy, TXA, ketamine, provider safety

14:40 – Rob discusses EMSIntel.org and ambulance theft data

16:00 – Can EMS agencies do what Jimmy does? The risks and the realities

18:30 – "Stop the finger": creating content that captures attention

20:00 – Rob on the risks of public messaging and backlash

21:00 – Calling out misinformation: the line between education and shame

23:00 – Jimmy’s growing reach across TikTok, Instagram and Facebook

24:45 – Managing Facebook’s deeper comments and nuanced conversations

26:45 – Jimmy’s rule: “Engage only with good faith”

27:50 – Final thought: EMS must rediscover kindness

29:00 – Closing remarks and where to follow Jimmy Apple online

Additional resources
  • Connect with Jimmy Apple, better known as The EMS Avenger:

    • TikTok — Jimmy offers short-form, evidence-based EMS content here: @emsavenger

    • Instagram — Engage with in-depth reels, visuals, and professional updates: @emsavenger

    • X (formerly Twitter) — Follow EMS commentary, conversation, and boosts: @EMSAvenger

    • Facebook — Join the group for discussions and shared insights: EMS Avenger community

    • Apple Podcasts — Listen to “EMS Avenger: 20 Minutes to Save the World”: Weekly podcast series

  • AAA & AIMHI EMS Media Log: EMS Intel

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Growing the next generation of changemakers in rural EMS01 juil. 202500:47:47

In this special crossover edition of EMS One-Stop and The Bridge Podcast from the Kentucky Office of Rural Health, host Amelia Holliday leads the conversation, joined by Scott Helle, rural project manager at KORH; and Rob Lawrence, host of EMS One-Stop and EMS leader.

Recorded live at the 2025 Kentucky EMS Leadership Academy, this episode explores the evolution, design and impact of the Leadership Academy on Kentucky’s rural EMS landscape. The discussion dives into the Academy’s origins, structure, statewide reach and its mission to prepare the next generation of EMS leaders in some of the most resource-challenged communities in the country.

From the realities of low-volume, underfunded rural services, to the inspiring stories of leadership growth and resilience, this episode offers a thoughtful examination of the challenges facing EMS in Kentucky and beyond. Rob reflects on leadership principles drawn from his military and EMS career, while Scott provides a blueprint for how to build and sustain EMS talent in small communities. Together with Amelia’s thoughtful moderation, this episode highlights how mentorship, structured learning and network-building are transforming rural EMS leadership — one cohort at a time.

Additional resources Memorable quotes

“We’re promoting people above their level of competency — not because they’re not good, but because we haven’t prepared them for what’s next.” — Rob Lawrence

“We saw early on that EMS professionals were great at clinical care, but we were missing the leadership piece.” — Scott Helle

“Effective communication is the core of good leadership. You can’t lead without it.” — Amelia Holliday

“My six principles: pride, integrity, learning, humor, service and courage. They guide everything I do.” — Rob Lawrence

“It costs money to build people. That’s why we provide this Academy at no cost to participants.” — Scott Helle

“It’s hard to run EMS in a state where many counties don’t even have a tax base to support it.” — Scott Helle

“You’re always leading. Once you start, it never stops. People are always watching and listening.” — Rob Lawrence

“We’re not just building leaders — we’re building mentors, networks and future change-makers.” — Scott Helle

“Nobody becomes a good leader because they want power. The best leaders are those who understand the responsibility.” — Amelia Holliday

Episode timeline

00:18 – Introduction to the Kentucky Leadership Academy and crossover with The Bridge Podcast

02:29 – How the Academy was formed and why it was needed

05:00 – Structure of the Academy, application process and regional representation

08:11 – EMS 2050, developing next-gen leaders, and avoiding the Peter Principle

11:00 – The importance of non-clinical leadership education

13:36 – Funding challenges in rural EMS, tax base realities and sustainable operations

17:41 – Rural EMS dynamics, local politics and the true cost of readiness

21:25 – Hospital closures and extended transport times — national rural EMS challenges

24:11 – Leadership is constant: visible, energetic and principle-driven

28:14 – Rob’s military leadership values and the weight of being observed

32:35 – Leadership as service and the power of building trust within teams

34:58 – Rob’s group dynamics “icebreaker” exercise and lessons on leadership styles

39:33 – Mentorship benefits both ways: mentees gain confidence, mentors renew purpose

44:49 – Academy success stories and graduates becoming leaders elsewhere in EMS

46:44 – Closing comments and podcast wrap-up with Amelia and Rob

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From info overload to instant clarity: Lifeline EMS puts AI to work30 juin 202500:42:48

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence sits down with Danielle Thomas, chief operating officer, Lifeline EMS of Los Angeles, to explore how her team is harnessing “actual intelligence” — through a proprietary, closed-source AI platform called InCheck — to solve a perennial EMS headache: information overload. Thomas explains how embedding agency-specific protocols, an 800-page policy manual and multi-language translation into a single voice-activated app gives every crew member a “mentor in their pocket,” shrinking cognitive load, sharpening clinical decision-making and smoothing onboarding during the critical first 80 hours of employment.

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The conversation ranges from her move from Boston to California and the regulatory culture shock that followed, to Lifeline’s recent CAAS accreditation push and the wider potential of AI-driven tools to boost recruitment, retention, compliance and patient safety.

In the second half, Rob and Danielle expanded the conversation from tools to leadership strategy, focusing on how EMS agencies can better support staff in high-pressure, multi-jurisdictional environments.

Thomas shares how her team tackled issues like protocol confusion, inconsistent policy knowledge and language barriers — not by adding more training sessions, but by rethinking how information is delivered, accessed and retained on the front lines. She emphasizes the importance of aligning education with the way today’s workforce learns, communicates and engages — especially during the critical first days of employment.

The episode closes with a preview of Danielle’s upcoming AAA conference presentation with Carly Strong, which challenges perceptions of gender in EMS leadership and spotlights the untapped potential of inclusive, thoughtful organizational development.

Memorable quotes
  • “If you can, as the leader in an EMS organization, figure out how to enhance not only that first 80 hours, but that team member experience.” — Danielle Thomas

  • “As everybody listening knows, I'm sure that every new policy probably has somebody's secret name attached to it because of what happened.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “It honestly solves our recruitment and retention issues because they want to come to work.” — Danielle Thomas

  • “I happen to believe that [AI is] an on-the-train or under at the moment kind of thing … we now have to move forward. It's part of our life. We have to embrace it and we have to employ it.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “The left coast is more highly regulated and so I was not used to the labor laws in California and I was not used to the way that the local EMS authorities work.” — Danielle Thomas

  • “I think every company I've worked at that that was a thing and so we had to create a solution to the problem we had, which was information overload.” — Danielle Thomas

Episode timeline
  • 01:25 – Welcome to Danielle Thomas

  • 02:56 – East-to-West move and California’s regulatory maze

  • 4:12 – Lifeline EMS footprint across Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside Counties

  • 6:27 – The policy-overload dilemma in multi-county operations

  • 10:01 – InCheck: turning 800 pages into actionable intel

  • 14:53 – From AI skeptic to evangelist — programming county-specific protocols

  • 18:30 – Five operating modes explained (Rampart, Angel, Nova, L-Chat Narrative)

  • 28:00 – 100-language instant translation with Nova

  • 34:51 – Building the tool in-house; cost and compliance advantages

  • 38:43 – Preview of AAA Conference session, “Just one of the guys”

  • 41:33 – Final takeaways: enhancing the first 80 hours and keeping crews engaged

  • 42:44 – Closing remarks

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Paramedics without borders: Celebrating global unity on International Paramedic Day12 juin 202500:34:29

In this international edition of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence welcomes Lewis Andrews, the chief operating officer of the United Kingdom’s College of Paramedics, for an insightful discussion on two major topics shaping global paramedicine.

First up is International Paramedic Day, taking place on July 8, 2025. Now in its third year, the day honors the contribution of paramedics across the world and draws its inspiration from the birthday of Dominique-Jean Larrey, the father of battlefield ambulance care. Lewis explains how the day has grown from 50 initial partners to over 150 global organizations, with this year’s theme being “Unity and community.” The day aims to raise awareness of the profession, share innovations and bring together the global paramedic community.

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In the second half of the show, Lewis delves into the structure and significance of the College of Paramedics, which represents nearly half of the UK’s registered paramedics. He describes how the UK paramedic profession is regulated and protected by law, with a rigorous educational pathway that now includes the potential for prescribing paramedics and direct-to-primary-care tracks.

Rob and Lewis explore how paramedics in the UK are increasingly working beyond emergency ambulances — in GP surgeries, urgent care centers and academic roles. Their conversation offers a rich comparison point for U.S. EMS leaders seeking to elevate paramedicine through autonomy, education and broader clinical roles.

Memorable quotes
  • “This is not a commercial platform — this is about us celebrating us.” — Lewis Andrews, on the ethos of International Paramedic Day

  • “Let’s not reinvent the wheel, but let’s look at what the wheel is for the environment that it’s required to roll in.” — Lewis Andrews, on global EMS collaboration

  • “The title ‘paramedic’ is protected by law in the UK — you can’t simply do a first aid course and call yourself one.” — Rob Lawrence

  • “Autonomy — in a word — that’s what makes a prescribing paramedic.” — Lewis Andrews, on expanding paramedic roles

  • “We’re also promoting the profession to those who don’t yet know they want to be in the profession.” — Lewis Andrews, on recruitment and professional identity

  • “We have a career framework … that actually shows that you can develop from that day one newly qualified right through to a consultant paramedic, chief paramedic, director, professor.” — Lewis Andrews

Episode timeline

00:55 – Introduction to International Paramedic Day (IPD) and its origins

02:17 – Why July 8 was chosen: Dominique-Jean Larrey’s birthday

03:02 – Growth of IPD from 50 to over 150 partners

05:06 – 2025 theme: “Unity and community” and sub-objectives

06:45 – How to participate: share stories, use hashtags (#UnityAndCommunity and #IPD2025), connect globally

08:58 – The global nature of IPD and U.S. partners’ involvement

11:25 – Promoting awareness and the importance of celebrating paramedics

12:50 – Part 2 — The role of the College of Paramedics

14:09 – Overview of College functions: CPD, representation, research, advocacy

18:15 – Registration with HCPC, protected title and the regulator’s role

21:12 – Paramedic education in the UK: degree pathways, demand and cost

23:46 – Discussion on streaming directly into primary care roles

27:09 – Career framework: from graduate paramedic to chief paramedic/professor

30:16 – Prescribing paramedics: autonomy and improved patient experience

33:08 – Recap and call to action: visit www.internationalparamedicsday.com

34:17 – Like, subscribe and engage

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How ‘One big beautiful bill’ could break EMS05 juin 202500:52:32

In this vital episode of EMS One-Stop, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Matt Zavadsky and attorney Doug Wolfberg of Page, Wolfberg & Wirth for a deep-dive into three financial flashpoints currently impacting EMS.

First, the trio unpack the launch of the new PWW|AG/EMS|MC EMS Financial Index, a quarterly report leveraging billing and revenue cycle data from over 1,500 agencies nationwide. This unprecedented benchmarking tool allows EMS leaders to measure performance against regional and national trends, uncovering actionable insights into billing strategies, reimbursement rates, payer mixes and the economics of service delivery. It’s a critical step in helping agencies justify their value and improve their financial sustainability.

Next, the discussion turns to MedPAC — the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission — and its controversial response to cost data submitted by ambulance services under the CMS Ground Ambulance Data Collection System. Doug Wolfberg explains how MedPAC discarded over half of the data, labeling higher-cost services — often rural or government-run — as outliers. This move could justify lower or stagnant Medicare fee increases, potentially devastating many providers.

Finally, attention shifts to the “One Big Beautiful Bill” moving through Congress and now on its way to the Senate that would eliminate or severely restrict enhanced Medicaid funding mechanisms, such as supplemental payments and provider taxes. If passed, this legislation would reduce reimbursement for millions of transports, triggering funding crises across EMS systems — particularly in states like California and Illinois. The episode delivers a clear message: EMS leaders must prepare, advocate and act now.

Episode timeline

00:41 – Rob introduces the three main topics: the PWW|AG/EMS|MC EMS Financial Index, MedPAC’s response to ambulance data and a major federal bill impacting Medicaid

01:59 – Part 1 — PWW|AG/EMS|MC Financial Index

03:37 – Matt explains that the index is built using data from over 1,500 EMS agencies via EMS|MC

05:43 – The importance of regional benchmarking

08:22 – First major finding: dramatic variation in ALS billing rates across regions

09:30 – Key insight: agencies that bill more tend to collect more revenue — agencies are encouraged to determine their true cost of service and align billing accordingly

12:37 – Collection percentage is debunked as a misleading metric; focus should be on dollars collected

15:36 – ALS vs. BLS billing levels explained, with a look ahead to Q2’s emergency-only data set

18:48 – How EMS agencies can better engage with insurers to cover non-transport and MIH services

20:46 – Part 2 — MedPAC

22:24 – Doug outlines how MedPAC discarded over half of the reported ambulance cost data

25:00 – Explanation of which data was discarded and why — primarily high-cost, rural and government-based services

28:22 – Doug asserts MedPAC is using cherry-picked data to suppress reimbursement increases

30:10 – Rob and Doug emphasize that EMS gave MedPAC quality input, but MedPAC is producing garbage output

32:08 – Doug outlines what MedPAC will do next and what EMS leaders must do in response

34:40 – Strong call to action: educate Congress, use real CMS data and don’t accept MedPAC’s narrative

36:59 – Doug emphasizes the importance of evidence-based deployment strategies for financial sustainability

37:31 – Part 3 — “One Big Beautiful Bill”

38:19 – Matt outlines how the bill would drastically limit Medicaid supplemental payments

39:43 – Federal/state Medicaid match rates explained with California as an example

42:51 – The looming reckoning: local governments may have to pay to maintain current EMS service levels

46:02 – Matt warns that the bill could trigger PAYGO cuts to Medicare as well

47:16 – Agencies are urged to plan now, talk to their communities and adjust operations

48:06 – Doug adds that pressure on U.S. senators, especially in red states, could still influence the bill

51:26 – Close and call to action

Final takeaway

This episode underscores that EMS cannot remain reactive — leaders must proactively use data, engage legislators and educate their communities on the true cost of care. The EMS Financial Index, the MedPAC dismissal, and the pending bill all point to a critical need for informed, strategic advocacy.

Safe streets for all: MVC care funding in action27 mai 202500:42:39

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence sits down with returning guest Chief Robbie MacCue of Colonie EMS (New York) to explore the transformative potential of the Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) federal grant program.

Funded by the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, SS4A aims to prevent roadway fatalities and enhance post-crash care. With $5 billion available nationwide and $900 million still on the table for FY25, this conversation is a call to action for EMS agencies across the country.

Chief MacCue shares the story of how his department, in collaboration with neighboring EMS and police agencies, secured $2.4 million in SS4A funding for a project focused on innovative vehicle alert systems, prehospital health information exchange and groundwork for whole blood deployment.

From demystifying the grant application to defining success metrics and compliance reporting, this episode breaks it all down — turning policy into practice, and complexity into impact.

Memorable quotes

  • “I was pretty taken back by the statistic that 40% of these patients were alive when EMS arrived and later died. Those are patients that are talking to us that are no longer living after a crash.” — Robbie MacCue
  • “This isn’t free money. It comes with reporting requirements, match funding and responsibility — but there’s help out there, and it’s absolutely worth it.” — Robbie MacCue
  • “Our goal is to go upstream to the source of the problem. How do we stop the bleeding? How do we stop some of these accidents from actually happening?” — Robbie MacCue
  • “We put a two-page narrative together that generated a $3,000,000 regional application … based on simple principles about statistics.” — Robbie MacCue
  • “Post-crash care is definitely a missing element in the Safe System Approach … and EMS needs to be part of the solution, not just the response.” — Robbie MacCue
  • “You don’t have to have all the solutions right away. You just have to have the initiative to get with other like-minded people.” — Robbie MacCue
  • “This project isn’t just for crashes. It will also help us with high-utilizer patients and improve reimbursement accuracy by connecting data silos.” — Robbie MacCue
  • “Somebody emailed me in the week to say that the EMS One-Stop podcast is the podcast that’s able to turn a very complex EMS topic into a car bumper sticker. So there you go. If we’re doing that and we can achieve that, then we’re getting somewhere.” — Rob Lawrence
Episode timeline
  • 00:00-02:00 – Intro to SS4A and the scale of available funding ($5B)
  • 02:00-04:00 – Why post-crash care matters: 42% of patients alive at EMS arrival die later
  • 04:00-07:00 – How Colonie EMS discovered and approached the SS4A opportunity
  • 07:00-10:00 – Building a regional grant application and tripling the funding
  • 10:00-13:30 – Overview of the proposed project – transponder tech, health information exchange and whole blood
  • 13:30-17:00 – Specific technology being explored and integration challenges
  • 17:00-20:00 – Working with MPOs, consultants and navigating acronyms
  • 20:00-25:00 – Finding the 20% match, leveraging in-kind contributions and funding timelines
  • 25:00-30:00 – Federal reporting requirements and budgeting with SF-424A
  • 30:00-35:00 – The big goal: Closing the outcome data loop and EMS-hospital data sharing
  • 35:00-40:00 – Measuring success, from whole blood to vehicle alerts
  • 40:00-42:30 – Robbie’s final advice: “Don’t be intimidated — reach out and apply.”

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Inside the EMS Compact: How REPLICA transforms disaster response, licensing & leadership13 mai 202500:41:47

In this episode of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence kicks off a special series spotlighting national EMS associations, beginning with a deep dive into the EMS Personnel Licensure Interstate CompAct (REPLICA). His guest, Donnie Woodyard Jr., executive director, Interstate Commission for EMS Personnel Practice, brings decades of EMS experience and leadership to the table to demystify what the EMS Compact is, how it operates, and why it matters to the profession today. From improving workforce mobility to protecting public safety during disasters, Woodyard Jr. provides clarity on this critical multi-state agreement.

The conversation covers everything from how EMS Compact came to be, to the significance of national registry standards, disaster response logistics, interstate licensure, and even leadership lessons from Woodyard Jr.’s latest book project, “Leadership in action: The Wisdom and stories of EMS innovators”. Whether you're a field provider or policymaker, this episode is a must-listen for understanding how collaborative legislation can shape the future of EMS.

In the episode, Woodyard Jr. candidly addresses the ongoing debate in North Carolina over transitioning from a state-only EMS certification exam to exclusive use of the National Registry. Woodyard Jr., while respectful of North Carolina’s long-standing EMS tradition, emphasizes the importance of national consistency. He acknowledged that the proposed legislation needed amendments, particularly around grandfathering existing providers, but stood firm in his belief that a single, legally defensible national standard is essential for provider mobility and professional integrity. Drawing on real-world examples, Woodyard Jr. described how providers are often caught off guard when relocating — only to discover their credentials aren't accepted elsewhere. “Maintaining a state-only exam is harmful to individuals,” he said, calling for unified testing standards that support workforce movement and strengthens the profession nationwide.

Memorable quotes from Donnie Woodyard Jr

  • “Every EMT and paramedic in the United States should go through a fingerprint background check. You know, babysitters have to do it. Teachers have to do it. EMS personnel absolutely should do it.”
  • “Maintaining a state-only exam is harmful to individuals. It limits their mobility.”
  • “When you waive that requirement for licensure, you actually are removing essential elements of public protection and accountability.”

Timeline

00:21 – Rob introduces the series on national EMS associations and welcomes Donnie Woodyard, Jr.

01:55 – Woodyard, Jr.shares his EMS journey from volunteer in Virginia to international disaster medicine and state leadership

03:41 – What is the EMS Compact and how does it work?

06:38 – Challenges of multistate EMS licensing pre-Compact

08:00 – Explaining the driver’s license analogy and compact accountability

11:17 – EMAC vs. EMS Compact for disaster response and liability concerns

15:31 – National Registry and grandfathering provisions

17:30 – Arkansas joins as the 25th compact state

18:56 – Model legislation and how states join the compact

21:22 – What REPLICA stands for and its legislative origin

22:20 – What California (and other non-compact states) should consider

24:33 – National Registry debate: North Carolina’s challenges and Woodyard, Jr.’s response

27:52 – Mobility, workforce attrition and job-sharing innovation

30:11 – The Commission and national EMS-coordinated database

35:17 – Final thoughts on fragmentation, collaboration and EMS unity

36:41 – Woodyard, Jr.’s leadership book, EMS charity support and Secretary Panetta’s forward

41:08 – Closing remarks and contact information

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Insights, actions and the future of EMS: The 2025 ESO EMS Index07 mai 202500:56:26

In this special data-driven edition of the EMS One-Stop podcast, host Rob Lawrence is joined by Dr. Brent Myers, chief medical officer, ESO, and Dr. Remle Crowe, ESO’s director of clinical and operational research, to unpack the newly released 2025 ESO EMS Index.

This annual report provides a powerful, real-world snapshot of national EMS trends — drawing on more than 14 million anonymized records to surface opportunities for clinical and operational improvement.

The conversation dives into key metrics that move beyond response times and into areas like pain management, opioid overdoses, airway confirmation, obstetric emergencies, whole blood use, pediatric behavioral health and high-utilization patient populations.

Throughout the episode, Drs. Myers and Crowe share the motivation behind each metric, explain how the data was gathered and analyzed, and reflect on how EMS agencies can use these insights to guide better care delivery and system design. From confronting equity in pain management, to pushing forward innovations like buprenorphine administration and whole blood programs, this is a compelling call to turn data into meaningful change.

Timeline

01:08 – Overview of the ESO EMS Index and its intent

02:59 – Origins of the report and data methodology

05:46 – Database scale: 14M+ records, 3,000+ agencies

07:14 – Metric 1: Pain management for long bone fractures

10:53 – Documentation, AI in EMS, and future documentation tools

14:30 – Metric 2: Suspected opioid overdose and buprenorphine use

18:51 – Best practices, COWS scoring, and naloxone delivery strategy

21:31 – Metric 3: Invasive airway confirmation using waveform capnography

28:06 – Metric 4: Obstetric emergencies (postpartum hemorrhage & hypertension)

34:34 – Metric 5: Prehospital whole blood surveillance

40:22 – Metric 6: Pediatric behavioral health and substance use disorder cases

44:54 – Metric 7: High utilization patient group (HUG)

52:48 – Final thoughts, calls to action, and Rob’s reflections

55:47 – Episode wrap-up and subscription reminder

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