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In this episode of Electric Friends, Tom goes deep on 'Voix' — the standout track from Gary Numan's 1988 album Metal Rhythm, and the song that survived the worst year of his career on its own terms.

In early 1988, Gary stood on a TV show promoting someone else's single alongside Bros and Sinéad O'Connor, and called it the lowest point he'd reached. Nine months later he released a song that says, more or less, I don't need your opinions, I don't need your rumours, I don't need to listen to strangers. It was never a single. It didn't make the tour. It didn't make the live album from that tour. And 31 years later he walked back on stage to play it as his encore.

We trace the whole story: Radio 1's refusal to play him, Steve Wright apologising on air for 'This Is Love', the fan protest outside Broadcasting House, the collapse of Numa Records, Radio Heart, the £200,000 tax bill and the lies that went with it, Miles Copeland's million-pound lifeline, and the man at IRS who picked 'New Anger' as the single and then denied he ever had.

Then we get into the record itself — Mike Smith's programming, the PPG Wave and the Roland D-50, Peter Haycock and Keith Beauvais as the only two guitarists to appear on the same track, Tessa Niles on backing vocals, and why this is one of the catchiest things Gary has ever written. Why is the title French when he sings it in English? What do the pronouns do across the three choruses? Why does the second "one" interlude curdle every image from the first? And what happens if you read a song about illegible people and untrustworthy voices through what Gary has since written about machines, people and his Asperger's?

Plus the two versions — the 1988 original and the heavier 'Voix 98' from the Dominion Day EP, sitting alongside 'Metal' and 'Down in the Park' — and the remarkable live history that takes the song from nowhere in 1988 to the first song of the encore on the 2019 tour.

Featuring excerpts from Gary's autobiography (R)evolution, read by the man himself, and a big batch of your comments and emails.

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In this episode of Electric Friends, I tell the full story of Radio Heart — Gary Numan's strangest detour, and the closest he ever came to being a pop star for hire.

With Numa Records struggling at the end of 1986, Gary accepted an offer to sing on 'Radio Heart', a bright pop single written by Hugh Nicholson — and to his own surprise found himself back on the Radio 1 playlist and in the Top 40. We trace the whole saga: the Nicholson brothers, the singles 'Radio Heart', 'London Times' and 'All Across The Nation', the Numan-penned B-sides 'River', 'Rumour' and 'Mistasax' (and how 'River' quietly announced his soundtrack ambitions), Elton John's blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo on the Radio Heart album, the album's withdrawal, and the 1994 finale 'Like A Refugee (I Won't Cry)' with Italian robot marching band Dadadang — the single Radio 1 wouldn't play, even while making Gary 'God of the Day'.

Joining me is Steve Thorpe, compiler and sleeve-note writer of the new deluxe 2CD collection Radio Heart featuring Gary Numan: All Across The Nation – A Collection (Edsel Records, out 7th August 2026). Steve reveals how the original Roundhouse master tapes were rediscovered, the two previously unreleased tracks found on them, how Tessa Niles's uncredited backing vocals were finally confirmed — and tells one of the all-time great "meeting Gary" stories, involving an unanswered front door and a voice shouting "Spooky!"

Plus, in Gary's own words: excerpts from his autobiography (R)evolution on the money that felt like "a lifeline to a drowning man", the arguments with his dad, and why he refused to sell his soul completely.

And at the end of the show, your verdicts on the Radio Heart era — the defenders, the executioners, and "Gary's Tin Machine".

All Across The Nation – A Collection is available to pre-order now from Amazon, Rough Trade, Proper Music, Burning Shed and all the usual outlets.

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In this episode of Electric Friends, I take a deep dive into 'Bleed', one of the standout tracks from Gary Numan's 1994 album Sacrifice — the record many fans, and Gary himself, regard as the album that saved his career.

We explore what 'Bleed' might really be about: anxiety, intrusive thoughts and the terror of lying awake at night with your own mind turning against you. We look at how the song fits into the dark, spiritual world of Sacrifice, the huge influence of Depeche Mode and Alan Wilder, the heavier Sulphur rework on 2003's Hybrid, the song's live and acoustic history, and why 'Bleed' marks the beginning of the modern Gary Numan sound that runs through Exile, Pure, Splinter, Savage and Intruder.

In this episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I’m joined by a very special guest — Saffron, frontwoman of Republica, lifelong Gary Numan fan, collaborator, and close friend of the Numan family.

We talk through Saffron’s incredible journey in music — from her early influences and theatre work, to becoming a songwriter and eventually forming Republica in the mid-90s. She shares the story behind their breakthrough hits like ‘Ready to Go’ and ‘Drop Dead Gorgeous’, how the band carved out their electronic rock sound, and what it was really like navigating success during that era.

Of course, a huge part of our conversation is her connection with Gary Numan. Saffron explains how discovering Replicas at a young age completely changed her life, why Gary’s music resonated so deeply, and how that influence shaped her own artistic identity.

We also dive into the iconic Random tribute album, where Saffron and Republica covered ‘Are Friends Electric?’ — and how that led to her first meeting with Gary and Gemma. What followed was not just a collaboration, but a lasting friendship that continues to this day.

Beyond music, Saffron opens up about her work in mental health, her experiences during the pandemic as a frontline worker, and how those experiences have shaped her perspective.

It’s a warm, honest and wide-ranging conversation about creativity, fandom, resilience and the lasting impact of Gary Numan’s music.

In this episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I explore one of the most fascinating songs connected to Gary’s early 80s world — ‘Love Needs No Disguise’.

Originally released in 1981 by Dramatis — the band formed by Chris Payne, Rrussell Bell, Denis Haines and Cedric Sharpley after Gary’s temporary retirement from touring — the track featured Gary on lead vocals and became their biggest chart hit, reaching number 33 in the UK.

I talk about how I rediscovered the song during a recent trip to Brussels (and a very successful record shop haul), why it meant so much to me as an 8-year-old discovering Gary through the Best Of cassette, and why this track still holds a special place in my top 10.

Musically, I break down what makes the song so distinctive — the haunting synth intro, Ced’s drums, Russell’s guitar, Chris Payne’s viola, and that brilliant early-80s synth-pop atmosphere. But lyrically, it’s even more interesting. As Rrussell Bell confirmed to me in a previous interview, the song wasn’t really a romantic love song at all — it was written about their time touring with Gary.

I look at how the lyrics take on new meaning in that context: the touring references, the emotional bond between bandmates, and the reassurance that “love needs no disguise” even after Gary stepped away.

Plus, I revisit the video shoot at Shepperton Studios, read out your brilliant fan memories (so many of you were in that video!), and reflect on why this song remains quietly emotional and underrated.

In this minisode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I’m back with a Gary Numan News update for February 2026, rounding up the biggest recent stories from Numan’s world.

I talk to Let Loose drummer Lee Murray about his pop career, his lifelong love of Gary Numan, and how Numan shaped his life and music.

In this episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I do something a little different. Instead of speaking to band members or collaborators from Gary’s world, I sit down with one of his most passionate famous fans — Lee Murray from Let Loose.

Lee and I talk about his journey through music, from growing up glued to Top of the Pops to finding his own success in the 1990s as part of Let Loose, the band behind the huge hit ‘Crazy for You’. He opens up about the long road to success, being mislabelled as a boyband, record deals that fell apart, and the pressure that came with sudden fame — before finding a healthier, more joyful relationship with music in later years.

At the heart of the conversation is Gary Numan. Lee shares how seeing Gary on Top of the Pops changed everything for him — how Gary “looked how I felt”, and why that sense of otherness made such a powerful connection. We talk about first gigs, the Warriors tour, idol-to-friend moments, and the surreal experience of eventually supporting Gary on tour.

Lee also reflects honestly on mental health, regret, stepping away at the wrong time, and how Gary’s openness and kindness left a lasting impression on him. It’s a warm, thoughtful and often emotional conversation about fandom, creativity, resilience and why Gary inspires such deep loyalty across generations.

If you love Gary Numan, 90s pop history, or hearing artists speak candidly about fame and its realities, this episode is for you.

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In this episode I dive into one of the most unexpected Gary Numan surprises of recent years — the release of Like a B-Film, a previously unheard Telekon-era demo that suddenly appeared via the 45th anniversary re-issue.

I explain how the track appeared almost out of nowhere. Very quickly, it became clear this was genuine: raw 1980 synth textures, unfinished edges, and Gary’s unmistakable vocal — a time capsule suddenly dropped into the present.

The episode looks closely at the lyric sheet shared by fans online, lines that shrink humanity into “little pictures,” reference “B-films” and deadened media culture, and land on stark declarations like we are broken, we are shattered, we are glass. I discuss how the imagery hints at emotional numbness, voyeurism and disconnection — themes that would later define tracks like I Dream of Wires and Remind Me to Smile.

We also hear Gary himself address the track at Hammersmith — admitting he doesn’t remember writing it, joking that it probably didn’t make the album “because it’s happy,” and marvelling at Beggars Banquet uncovering a demo he’d forgotten.

The episode includes reactions from fans comparing the sound to John Foxx, celebrating the synth tones, and debating whether it ever would have sat comfortably on Telekon — or whether saving it has made the surprise even sweeter.

I also preview other demos on the anniversary release, and reflect on why unheard material still excites Numan fans after four decades.

In this special episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I pay tribute to John Webb, Gary Numan's brother, bandmate and lifelong friend, who passed away in 2025 during the Telekon 45th anniversary tour.

The episode reflects on John’s incredible life — from joining Tubeway Army as a teenager to performing on stage across the world, before embarking on a second remarkable career as a professional pilot and aerobatics display leader.

Through archive clips and personal memories, I celebrate John’s warmth, humour and creativity. We hear about Gary’s emotional statement following his Birmingham show, where he broke down during 'Please Push No More' after receiving the tragic news. Gary later described his brother as “someone I loved more than the world,” a sentiment shared by so many who knew him.

I revisit highlights from my interview with John, including stories of playing with Tubeway Army at the Roxy Club at just 12 years old, touring with Gary through the 80s, and the time Queen’s Roger Taylor borrowed his drum kit during the recording of Dance.

The episode also celebrates John’s later musical work as Donovan Silver, his album Alpha, and his return to live performance after nearly three decades.

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The story behind Gary Numan’s first ever single ‘That’s Too Bad’ — from punk beginnings to sci-fi storytelling and the birth of Tubeway Army.

In this episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I take us right back to where it all began — 1978’s That’s Too Bad, the very first Tubeway Army single that launched the career of one of Britain’s most original and influential artists.

Before the synths, the fame and Are ‘Friends’ Electric?, Gary was a teenager playing in bands like Mean Street and The Lasers. It was during those early sessions that Tubeway Army was born — with Paul Gardiner on bass and Gary’s uncle Jess Lidyard on drums — and punk attitude collided with futuristic imagination.

I explore how That’s Too Bad captured that moment perfectly: a raw, nervy, paranoid slice of late-70s punk with flashes of the science-fiction world Numan would soon make his own. With lyrics about surveillance, alienation and fractured identity, the track already hinted at the themes that would define his later classics like Down in the Park and Metal.

Featuring Gary’s own reflections on signing with Beggars Banquet, working at WHSmith up to release day, and even his brief spell under the name Valerian, this episode digs into the single’s evolution — from its rough demo on The Plan to the sharper 1978 version.

There’s also listener memories from lifelong fans, from discovering the blue vinyl Tubeway Army album to hearing That’s Too Bad live decades later.

Plus, I share the latest Numan news — including the surprise discovery of a previously unheard Telekon track, Like a B Film.

Catch up on the latest from the world of Gary Numan, including new TV shows, podcasts, radio specials, tour updates and more.

This episode looks back at Gary Numan's cover of 'On Broadway', made famous by The Drifters in 1963. Gary's live version in 1979 was an inspired synthpop reworking, featuring Ultravox star Billy Currie on keyboards.

In the first of a new series of bonus minisodes - here's your latest Gary Numan news update.

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Taking a look back at Gary Numan's triumphant Glastonbury Festival debut on Saturday.

For the 50th episode of Electric Friends, I have another special interview - with Gary Numan's eldest daughter, Raven Numan!

Raven has released six excellent tracks in recent months, including 'My Reflection' and 'Just a Number', having worked with Gary's producer Ade Fenton.

In this interview, Raven opens up about having a pop icon as her dad, following his footsteps into music, how music has helped with her mental health, her love of Nine Inch Nails, plans for her debut album and much more.

For this special episode of Electric Friends, I speak with Gary Numan's longtime friend, collaborator and producer - Ade Fenton.

Ade has worked with Gary on all his albums since 2006's Jagged, and is currently working on Gary's latest album - with the reworks of Sacrifice, Exile and Pure coming soon.

In the podcast, Ade discusses:

• How Numan's music first inspired him to get into the industry
• How he first met Gary and the first tracks he worked on
• How he deals with criticisms from some Numan fans
• What fans can expect for upcoming new releases from Gary
• Working with Gary's daughter Raven on her first album
• His work on film soundtracks and whether Gary would ever do the same
• Much more!

Taking a look at Gary Numan's third single from I, Assassin - the moody 'White Boys and Heroes' featuring Pino Palladino's fretless bass and Wham-style music video.

Looking back at the fantastic bonus track from Tubeway Army's Replicas album: eight minutes of pure synthpop brilliance, later covered by Matt Sharp and Damon Albarn.

For this special episode, I asked you to rank your favourite Gary Numan albums from worst to best. Hundreds of you voted, and here I bring you the full countdown of 24 albums, including Gary's words about each LP.

What will be number one? I won't give it away here, but do you agree?

For this episode, I look back at Gary Numan's Dance album opener - the haunting 9+ minute track, Slowcar to China.

From its real-life inspirations and other theories to the album's sound as a whole, it's time to head back to 1981 and for one Gary's best ever LPs.

"Take that smile off your face, wipe that tear from your eye, don't say you're sorry for me".

For this episode, we look back at Paul Gardiner's solo single 'Stormtrooper in Drag', co-written with Gary Numan and with Gary on lead vocals.

The underrated track about drug use and loneliness showcased the lost potential of the late Paul Gardiner, and gave Numan fans a look at what was to come on the Dance album, as well as some fresh music after his farewell concerts in 1981.

I look back at Paul's other tracks, Gary's reaction to his death aged just 25, the song's cover versions and lyrics meaning.

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In this latest interview special of Electric Friends, I speak to a legend in Gary Numan's music history: Rrussell Bell.

In case you didn’t know - Rrussell is a prolific musician, composer and comedy writer. After graduating in Physics at London University, he joined Tubeway Army in 1979 - first appearing on record on 1980’s We Are Glass. He would then spend the next 10 years recording with Gary and touring the world in his band. He would then go on to form the band Dramatis alongside Chris Payne, Ced Sharpley and Denis Haines.

Also a seasoned session player, he is also an award winning jingle writer, worked as a musical director for BSB, and has worked on many film and TV projects. This includes acting, stand-up comedy and script-writing for people such as Craig Charles and Keith Allen. He released his first EP Like a Human in 2019.

Rrussell very kindly agreed to be on the show, and I hope you enjoy this special interview!

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Tom invites Rrussell Bell, a prolific musician and former member of Gary Numan's band, to share his experiences and insights from his extensive career. Rrussell reflects on his early days in the entertainment world, growing up in a family of performers, and how that shaped his artistic journey. He discusses his transition from an aspiring guitarist to joining Tubeway Army, highlighting the challenges and excitement of auditioning for Gary Numan. The conversation delves into memorable moments from their tours, including the immense popularity of Numan in the late '70s and the exhilarating atmosphere of live performances. Rrussell also touches on his diverse career beyond music, including writing jingles and comedy, and hints at upcoming projects with Dramatis, emphasizing his enduring passion for creating music.

Takeaways:

• Rrussell Bell discusses his early life growing up in a family of entertainers, including trapeze artists and comedians.
• He shares how he first became a fan of Gary Numan after seeing him perform on television during the 1970s.
• Bell highlights the unique experience of touring with Gary Numan, recalling the excitement and challenges of live performances.
• The recording process for albums with Numan involved a collaborative effort, allowing band members to contribute creatively.
• Bell reflects on the bittersweet feelings surrounding the end of Numan's career during the Wembley gigs, leading to the formation of Jamatis.
• His diverse career spans music, comedy writing, and jingles, showcasing his multifaceted talent in the entertainment industry.

"Lee Cooper!"

For this episode of Electric Friends, I look back at one of Gary Numan's first ever projects - a TV advert jingle!

Gary recorded a short track called 'Don't Be a Dummy' for Lee Cooper jeans, which became very popular in 1979, just before he found fame with 'Are Friends Electric?'.

This episode delves into the making of the song, why Gary didn't record a full version, the cover single by John Du Cann, Gary's other advert attempts and more.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army/Gary Numan - 'Don't be a Dummy'
• Tubeway Army - 'Something's in the House'
• John Du Cann - 'Don't be a Dummy'
• Gary Numan - '7 Up'
• Gary Numan - 'Cars (Premier Mix)'
• Lee Cooper advert (Dummies to the Left)

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For this interview special, it’s with a bonafide music legend: Bill Sharpe.

Bill Sharpe is a classically trained pianist and jazz rock musician, who once worked alongside John Peel at the BBC and Trevor Horn in an early band. In 1980, he co-founded the band Shakatak, who scored many big hits around the world with their brand of post-disco jazz-funk.

In 1985, he teamed up with Gary Numan on what was meant to be a one-off single, but later turned into several songs, and a whole album - with 1989’s Automatic. He is a prolific songwriter and musician, who has collaborated with many other stars over the years, and is still performing with Shakatak today.

In the episode, Bill discusses:

• How he came to work with Gary Numan and their writing processes
• The unreleased demos he made with Gary after Automatic - could they ever be released?
• How Shakatak came about
• His friendship with John Peel

Clips used:

• Shakatak - Steppin'
• Shakatak - Easier Said than Done (TOTP)
• Sharpe & Numan - Change Your Mind
• Sharpe & Numan - New Thing from London Town
• Sharpe & Numan - No More Lies
• Shakatak - Nightbirds (TOTP)

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Tom interviews Bill Sharpe, a member of the iconic band Shakatak, delving into his illustrious career and his unique collaboration with Gary Numan. The discussion highlights how their partnership began almost by chance when Sharpe was working on a solo album and reached out to Numan, leading to the creation of the hit "Change Your Mind." Sharpe reflects on his classical training and early influences in music, detailing the evolution of Shakatak and their rise to fame with hits like "Easier Said Than Done." The conversation reveals the challenges faced in the music industry, including the ups and downs of record label support, and the lasting impact of their work together. Listeners gain insight into Sharpe's passion for music, the dynamics of collaboration, and the joy of performing live, demonstrating that the spirit of creativity remains vibrant even after decades in the industry.

Takeaways:

• Bill Sharp discusses his classical music background and journey into jazz and funk.
• The formation of Shakatak was influenced by diverse musical experiences and collaborations.
• Bill shares the serendipitous collaboration with Gary Numan that led to successful tracks.
• The creative process behind 'Change Your Mind' involved innovative studio techniques and remixing.
• Sharp reflects on the band's global success and their enduring appeal in the music industry.
• He expresses disappointment over the lack of promotion for the album they created together.

"I don't suppose you ever laughed at me"

For this episode of Electric Friends, I look back at Gary Numan's 1985 album The Fury, and in particular its lead single 'Your Fascination'.

Including:

• How Gary continued his funk/industrial style from Berserker
• How radio continued to ignore him despite being a funky banger
• How he turned to co-producers and took on a new songwriting technique for the album
• Its music video co-starring his then-girlfriend
• Theories to what the song is about

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Your Fascination
• Gary Numan - Miracles
• Gary Numan - Tricks
• Retrosound - PPG Wave Soundscapes II
• Gary Numan - Revolution (audiobook)

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"We're in the building where they make us grow, and I'm frightened by the liquid engineers, like you."

For this episode, I look back at one of Gary Numan's best-known and best-loved songs, 'Metal', from 1979's The Pleasure Principle.

The track was the first song on the album with lyrics, and was inspired by the writings of Philip K Dick, about a machine with a desire to be human.

The perfect synthpop track was never a single, but it became one of Gary Numan's most-performed songs, and was later covered and sampled by a number of artists, most notably by Trent Reznor's Nine Inch Nails.

The episode looks at:

• What 'Metal' is all about
• Its somewhat forgotten music video
• Why it was never released as a single
• The various live versions
• When Gary performed it with Nine Inch Nails in 2009

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Metal
• The Beach Boys - Do It Again
• Gary Numan - Metal (live, 1979)
• Gary Numan - Metal (live, 1986)
• Gary Numan - Metal (live, 2018)
• Gary Numan - Metal 98
• Gary Numan - Moral
• Gary Numan - Revolution (audiobook)
• Tubeway Army - The Crazies
• Tubeway Army - We Have a Technical
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal (live, 2009)
• Planet Funk - Who Said
• Afrika Bambaataa - Metal
• Nouvelle Vague - Metal
• Poppy - Metal

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For the latest interview special of Electric Friends, I speak to Gary Numan's brother John Webb, aka Donovan Silver.

Donovan opens up about his close bond with older brother Gary, what it was like growing up with him and the first time he joined Tubeway Army on stage as a 12-year-old.

He also speaks about joining the band full-time as a teenager and their various tours, as well as working alongside Queen legend Roger Taylor on drums.

Donovan also gives a fascinating account of his impressive aviation career, as well as his return to music, including his most recent album Alpha.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Tubeway Army live at the Roxy - Boys (1977)
• Gary Numan - Remind Me to Smile (live, 1983)
• Gary Numan - Crash
• John Webb - The Experiment of Love
• Donovan Silver - Alpha
• Tubeway Army - Me! I Disconnect from You

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"Stroll to the cafe, my God, how time flies..."

For this episode, we travel way back to one of Gary Numan's first songs. 'My Shadow in Vain' was written before Tubeway Army even existed, and it went on to become one of his most performed songs ever.

This episode delves into the different versions of the song, from its punk origins to the 2002 hard rock version. We also hear from Gary as he explains how Tubeway Army came to be, and the meaning behind the song.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - My Shadow in Vain
• Tubeway Army - My Shadow in Vain (The Plan version)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Tubeway Army - My Shadow in Vain (live, 1977)
• Tubeway Army - Something's in the House
• Gary Numan - My Shadow in Vain (2002 version)
• Gary Numan - My Shadow in Vain (live, 1979)
• Gary Numan - My Shadow in Vain (live, 1984)

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For this interview special of Electric Friends, I’m speaking to Andy Gray, one of the most sought-after DJs, songwriters, producers and composers of the last few decades.

Andy made a name for himself in the early 90s in the growing dance music scene, with his remixes and work with his group Amoeba Assassin, and for his work with Paul Oakenfold’s Perfecto label. He has gone on to produce or remix music by a wide range of artists such as The Human League, Tori Amos, New ORder, Tears for Fears, Moby, U2, John Foxx and many more.

He is also a prolific film and TV soundtrack composer, on projects such as Swordfish, Get Carter and Hunters, and he also composed and produced the iconic Big Brother theme in the UK.

He has also had a long association with Gary Numan, whom he counts as a good friend. He has collaborated and remixed Gary’s music many times, including appearances on the Hybrid, Jagged and Dead Son Rising albums. In particular, he remixed the brilliant version of A Prayer for the Unborn, which we hear at pretty much every Gary Numan gig today.

I caught up with Andy to talk about his career, how Gary’s music inspired him as a youth, and what his experiences of working with Gary have been, and what we can look forward to in the future.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric?
• Amoeba Assassin - Rollercoaster
• The Human League - Tell Me When
• Elementfour - Big Brother Theme
• Gary Numan - Listen to My Voice (Andy Gray remix)
• Gary Numan - A Prayer for the Unborn (Andy Gray remix)
• Gary Numan - Are Friends Electric (Andy Gray remix)
• Gary Numan - Ancients
• Andy Gray & Gary Numan - For You

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"Kneel before my altar and drink the wine of slaughter"

In 1997, Gary Numan followed his career-rebooting Sacrifice album with the critically-acclaimed Exile. It was the closest thing to a concept album that he had recorded, delving into a world where God and the Devil were the same.

In this episode, I look back at perhaps its most well-known song, 'Dark'. Including:

• An exclusive clip of my interview with Gary back in 2017, talking about whether he would ever make film soundtracks
• Its use in the 1998 film Dark City
• The epic storyline of Exile and how it compares to Sacrifice

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Dark
• Gary Numan - Dark (Andy Gray rework)
• Gary Numan - Innocence Bleeding
• Dark City
• Gary Numan - Dead Heaven

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In this interview special episode, I speak to the legend that is Chris Payne!

Chris joined Tubeway Army back in 1979 just before 'Are Friends Electric' was released, and stayed with Gary's band for the albums Replicas, The Pleasure Principle and Telekon, and continued performing with Gary's live band for the rest of the 1980s.

He also co-wrote Visage's 'Fade to Grey', and has been a prolific composer and conductor of classical, cinematic and medieval music over the past few decades.

In the interview, Chris speaks about first meeting and auditioning for Gary, his musical background, his time as part of Dramatis, reuniting with Gary and much more. He also answers YOUR questions!

Thank you to Chris for giving up your time for this interview, it was awesome speaking to you at such length.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric? (Old Grey Whistle Test)
• Gary Numan - Complex
• Gary Numan - We Are Glass
• Gary Numan - M.E. (live, 1980)
• Tubeway Army - Down in the Park
• Dramatis - Love Needs No Disguise
• Dramatis - Take Me Home
• Gary Numan - The Fury tour
• Gary Numan - Complex (live, 2009)
• Gary Numan - M.E. (live, 2022)
• Chris Payne - Declamation
• Zaine Griff & Chris Payne - Cars
• Chris Payne - Early Dance

"Move from my window, leave me alone..."

In this episode, we look back at the Telekon album track 'Remind Me to Smile' from 1980. The electropop banger is still a live favourite, but it wasn't released a single. Or was it?

We take a look at how Gary's struggles with fame and fandom influenced the song, his strange experience with hardcore fans back then and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Remind Me to Smile'
• Gary Numan - 'Remind Me to Smile' (live, 2004)

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

Gary Numan's 1986 album Strange Charm was not a happy one for him, and while it might be a forgotten LP compared to others, it still has a lot of... well... charm.

Its second single 'I Can't Stop' was a bombastic radio friendly track that deserved more radio attention at the time, and it was the first vinyl single I bought 10+ years after its release.

This episode delves into the song's history, and the making of the Strange Charm album, including Radio 1's gaslighting of Gary, why the music video was "terrible" according to Gary, and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'I Can't Stop'
• Gary Numan - 'My Breathing'
• Radio 1 Chart Show, June 1986
• Gary Numan - 'Faces'
• Gary Numan - 'I Can't Stop (live, 1986)'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

"This is not love, this is not even worth a point of view..."

In 1980, Gary Numan released one of his greatest singles, the top 10 hit 'I Die: You Die'. At the time it was a non-album single, but was later included on the Telekon album, alongside We Are Glass.

The episode delves into:

• How the song was inspired by the press's hatred of him
• The various versions, mixes and covers
• How David Bowie got him thrown off the Kenny Everett Show

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - I Die You Die
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Radio 1 interview, 1980
• Radio 1 Chart Show, 1980
• Gary Numan - I Die You Die (alternate mix)
• Gary Numan - I Die You Die (The Kenny Everett Show)
• Gary Numan - I Die You Die (live in Sydney)
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (piano version)
• The Magnetic Fields - I Die You Die
• Coldplay - Clocks

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

As voted for by you, this episode is all about Gary Numan's 1984 album Berserker, and in particular its title track and lead single.

The episode delves into its inspirations, from '60s sci-fi books to 1984's biggest hit single, and Gary's own fantastical ideas.

It also looks at the album and tour's striking blue and white imagery, Gary's turn to sampling and its disappointing lack of airplay and chart success.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Berserker
• Gary Numan - My Dying Machine
• Gary Numan - Berserker (live, 1984)
• Radio 1 Chart Show, November 1984

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

By the late 2000s, Gary Numan had become a father to three girls, and his career had been better than ever. However, for various reasons, he found himself with serious bouts of depression.

This depression led to the writing of his next album, 2013's Splinter. One such track that tackled the themes of depression and life apathy, was the epic 'Here in the Black'.

This episode looks back on that song, including its inspiration, what Gary was going through at the time, live versions and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Here in the Black'
• Gary Numan - 'Lost'
• Gary Numan - 'My Last Day'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'Here in the Black (live)' with the Skaparis Orchestra

This episode deals with issues of depression. If you are suffering from depression, you are not alone. Depression is a common and treatable condition that affects millions of people around the world. There are many ways to cope with depression, such as seeking professional help, talking to someone you trust, engaging in activities that make you happy, and practising self-care. Other places you can reach out for help include:

• [The Samaritans]: A UK-based charity that offers confidential emotional support to anyone in distress or suicidal. You can call them 24/7 at 116 123 or email them at jo@samaritans.org.
• [Mind]: A UK-based mental health charity that provides information and advice on various mental health issues, including depression. You can visit their website to find local services, helplines, and online support groups.
• [NHS]: The UK’s National Health Service that offers free and confidential health care and advice. You can visit their website to learn more about depression, its symptoms, causes, and treatments. You can also find self-help guides, online tools, and apps to help you cope with depression.
• [Beyond Blue]: An Australian organisation that aims to reduce the stigma and impact of depression and anxiety. You can visit their website to access online forums, webinars, podcasts, and personal stories. You can also call them 24/7 at 1300 22 4636 or chat with them online.
• [National Suicide Prevention Lifeline]: A US-based network of crisis centres that provides free and confidential support to anyone in suicidal crisis or emotional distress. You can call them 24/7 at 1-800-273-8255 or chat with them online.

"Now it's all over for sure, I'll walk back home..."

In 1981, Gary Numan said goodbye to his fans with his epic Wembley shows, which was meant to be his retirement from live performance (thankfully, it wasn't).

The year before, he had recorded 'Please Push No More', a piano-synth ballad that dealt with his feelings about fame, fans and critics.

This episode tells the story of that song, and the emotional goodbye, and how he soon regretted his decision.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Please Push No More
• Gary Numan - Telekon
• Gary Numan - Please Push No More (live, 1981)
• Gary Numan - Please Push No More (live, 2006)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

For this interview special of Electric Friends, I caught up with a genuine pop legend: Dollar's Thereza Bazar!

Ahead of her UK tour, I spoke to Thereza about her amazing career, working with Trevor Horn, her upcoming projects, and of course... what it was like working with Gary Numan.

Thereza sang on Gary Numan's 1982 track 'Noise Noise', later included on re-releases of the I, Assassin album.

Thereza reveals how she met Gary, and what it was like being in the studio with him at the height of both of their careers.

Clips used:

• Dollar - Mirror Mirror
• Dollar - Hand Held in Black and White
• Dollar - Love's Gotta Hold on Me
• Dollar - Oh L'amour
• Gary Numan - Noise Noise

In 2000, Gary Numan released his most industrial album yet, Pure. Well received by critics and fans, it was arguably his best LP for nearly two decades.

However, its lead single wasn't released until nearly two years later. And it was a surprising success, sending Gary back into the charts.

This episode reflects on the Pure era and the lead single 'Rip', the most unlikely top 40 hit.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Rip
• Gary Numan - Pure
• Gary Numan - Rip (Andy Gray remix)
• BBC Radio 1 Chart Show (2002)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

For this episode of Electric Friends, I catch up with Tubeway Days singer and Gary Numan impersonator Chris Fielding.

I first saw Chris Fielding when he appeared as Gary on Stars in their Eyes back in 1998, and was amazed at how close he looked and sounded like him.

Fast forward to 2020, and Chris joined the lineup of the excellent Gary Numan tribute band Tubeway Days. Specialising in the 1979-81 era of Numan, the band and Chris sound exactly like the real thing and are a must-see for all Numan fans.

Chris talks about his love of Gary Numan growing up, how he got into impersonations and performing, what the Stars in their Eyes experience was like, meeting Gary, and what's coming up next for the band.

You will also hear snippets of Tubeway Days' excellent covers of Gary Numan songs, including 'Cars', 'Down in the Park', 'Remind me to Smile' and more.

A big thank you to Chris Fielding for his time and for a brilliant interview, and to Steve Guard for arranging.

On Replicas, Gary Numan and Tubeway Army kicked it off with this incredibly catchy piece of synthpop/new wave/post-punk brilliance: Me! I Disconnect from You.

This episode delves into the meaning behind the song, its sci-fi influence, the various remixes, live versions and covers, and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (Replicas)
• Gary Numan - 'Praying to the Alines' (Replicas)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (live, 1979)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (live, 1984)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (live, 2008)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (Hybrid)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (Peel Session)
• Grace Jones - 'Me! I Disconnect from You'

Please get in touch on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok and Instagram, or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

"They say that I'm all over, I don't know..."

In 1988, Gary Numan released his first album under the IRS Records label, and despite good reviews and an improvement on previous albums, Metal Rhythm didn't get him back in the charts.

Taking on a Robert Palmer-style hard rock meets electronic album, the LP featured the lead single 'New Anger', about his irritation over his critics at the time.

This episode delves into the making of the album, how it was made and how Gary feels about it now.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - New Anger
• Gary Numan - Devious
• Gary Numan - This is Emotion
• Gary Numan - Respect
• Gary Numan - Voix
• Gary Numan - I Don't Believe
• Gary Numan - Children
• Gary Numan - Creatures
• Gary Numan - Cold Metal Rhythm
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

Please get in touch on Twitter (@numanpodcast) or email at numanpodcast@gmail.com.

"You're my assassin but you can't see the crime..."

For this episode, let's look back at what would prove to be Gary Numan's final ever top 10 single, from 1982's I, Assassin.

A song about an ex-girlfriend, and a track that has everything (funk, synthpop and jazz), it's one of Gary Numan's most intriguing singles.

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"I turned off the pain, like I turned off you all, now there's only m.e."

For this episode, we look back at the fantastic sci-fi themed Pleasure Principle track, M.E..

Based on a story from Gary Numan about the last machine on Earth, we look at its inspiration, covers, remixes and more.

Clips used:

• Thomas Newman - 2185 AD
• Gary Numan - M.E.
• Gary Numan - M.E. (Hybrid version)
• Wand - M.E.
• Metz - M.E.
• Earl Brutus - M.E.
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal
• Basement Jaxx - Where's Your Head At?
• Foxy - Party Boys
• Gary Numan - M.E. (live, 1980)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

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"Young men need love special."

In this episode, we look back at the quirky yet hugely popular fan favourite track, Jo the Waiter, from Tubeway Army's self-titled debut album in 1978.

From the person who inspired the song to its various live versions, let's tackle the folk-style track ahead of Gary's acoustic tour later this year.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Jo the Waiter
• Gary Numan - Jo the Waiter (live, 2004 - Shepherd's Bush)
• Gary Numan - Jo the Waiter (live, 2022 - Wembley Arena)
• Gary Numan - Jo the Waiter (live, 2019 - Aberdeen)
• The Orb - Jo the Waiter

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"Do you fall like dust on a ruin? Empty and dead like the life you are losing."

For this episode, we go back to 2011 and Gary Numan's album Dead Son Rising, for its lead single 'The Fall'.

Intended as an 'outtakes' album to fill the gap between Jagged and Splinter, it ended up being its own fully-fledged album thanks to the persistence of producer Ade Fenton.

This episode focuses on the lead single, including:

• How Nine Inch Nails and Trent Reznor inspired it
• How Gary got through apathy to finish the album
• Its original track from the Pure sessions
• Is it based on an apparent fallout with a former band member?
• The music video filmed in a creepy abandoned asylum

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - The Fall
• Gary Numan - For the Rest of My Life
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal
• Gary Numan - Look
• Gary Numan - The Fall (live at Brixton Academy)
• Gary Numan - The Fall (Officers remix)
• Gary Numan - The Fall (South Central Bad Trip remix)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan speech at 1,000th gig

"You are attraction, it gets to be routine, you're up, I'm down"

This episode looks back at the one and only single from Gary Numan's 1981 album Dance: 'She's Got Claws'.

We delve into how the song and album was inspired by a bitter end to a relationship that went rather scary for Gary, as well as a ghostly experience on the London Underground, and how it was influenced by the music of the band Japan (leading to the involvement of Mick Karn).

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'She's Got Claws'
• Gary Numan & Paul Gardiner - 'Stormtrooper in Drag'
• Japan - 'Gentlemen Take Polaroids'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'A Subway Called You'
• Gary Numan - 'Slowcar to China'
• 'Cat People' (trailer) / David Bowie - 'Cat People'
• Gary Numan - 'I Sing Rain'
• Gary Numan - 'Exhibition'
• Posh - 'She's Got Claws'
• Gary Numan - 'She's Got Claws (Biokraft remix)'

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"Time will heal you, time helps you forget me..."

For this episode, I remember Gary Numan's largely-forgotten album Outland from 1991, and its lead single 'Heart'.

The episode delves into the underrated love song from Gary, as well as the difficulties in making the album alongside Miles Copeland, how it was inspired by Janet Jackson and Jam & Lewis, and how it led into what was to come next.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Heart'
• Gary Numan - 'Interval 1'
• Gary Numan - 'Confession'
• Gary Numan - 'From Russia Infected'
• Gary Numan - 'Tread Careful'
• Janet Jackson - 'Escapade'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

"Turn out these eyes, Wipe off my face, Erase me"

For this episode, I look back at the Telekon single 'This Wreckage' from 1980. In the episode, I delve into:

• Why Gary Numan regretted choosing it as a single
• The meaning behind some of its Japanese lyrics
• How it was sampled by a classic 2000s dance track
• Its beautiful B-side 'Photograph'
• What his fans think about the divisive single

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'This Wreckage'
• Gary Numan - 'Photograph'
• Basement Jaxx - 'Where's Your Head At?'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

For this episode, I take a look back at the moment when Gary Numan turned a corner. In 1994, he took partner Gemma's advice and made the music he actually wanted to make again, without outsider influence.

The album was Sacrifice, and it was the moment that Gary started his long road to recovery.

Focusing mainly on the Lord of the Rings-inspired track 'Magic', this episode looks at the making of Sacrifice, what came before, and its enduring legacy.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Magic'
• Gary Numan - 'Pray'
• Gary Numan - 'Deadliner'
• Gary Numan - 'Scar'
• Gary Numan - 'You Walk in My Soul'
• Gary Numan - 'Metal Beat'
• Gary Numan - 'Magic' (Dark Light, live)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Nine Inch Nails - 'Heresy'
• Howard Shore - 'The Breaking of the Fellowship/In Dreams'