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Joe Moore on the Future of Psychedelics: From Underground to Mainstream
09 Oct 2025
01:02:26
Psychedelics are no longer the fringe—they’re reshaping medicine, culture, and consciousness itself.
In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Joe Moore, co-founder and CEO of Psychedelics Today, to explore the messy evolution of the movement: from the chaotic 1960s to today’s corporate clinics and grassroots revival.
They trace Psychedelics Today’s origins, dive into the Vital training program, and discuss what it means to build trust in a scene that still distrusts institutions. Joe shares insight into the next decade of psychedelic science—AI-assisted molecule discovery, new drugs entering clinical trials, and the fading of old stigmas—and the risks of turning medicine into marketing.
Along the way, they talk Leary and McKenna, ketamine cults, LSD alchemy, and the underground traditions worth preserving.
The result is a grounded, forward-looking conversation about authenticity, ethics, and the future of altered states.
Key Points Covered
How Psychedelics Today started from the breathwork underground
What the 1960s got wrong (and right) about psychedelics
The danger of idolizing substances and personalities — “don’t worship the drug”
How overuse of ketamine mirrors past mistakes in psychedelic culture The future of psychedelic research and the AI-driven chemistry boom Vital, the 12-month training program creating the next generation of psychedelic professionals
What it takes to run an ethical business in a scene that distrusts business Harm reduction and why testing your substances matters more than ever
The LSD Philosopher’s Stone — does the chemist’s energy shape the trip?
Why pleasure and integration must coexist in psychedelic healing
🎙️ Joe Moore joins r/Psychonaut for an AMA on October 9, 2025! 🎧 Support the show and hear the Patreon-only “Trip Stories & Cosmic Jokes” bonus segment at patreon.com/divergentstates
Special thanks to SndBagz for the music!
00:00 – Intro / Bryan returns / Reggie Watts recap / Season 2 preview 04:16 – Meeting Joe Moore / Origins of Psychedelics Today 07:30 – Building a new media voice beyond academic monoculture 08:46 – Lessons from the 1960s and the cult of personality 12:00 – “Don’t Worship the Substance” – The Danger of Psychedelic Deification 13:30 – Unsung Heroes: Shulgins, Dr. Z, Grof & Leonard Pickard 15:00 – Repeating Old Mistakes: Ketamine Overuse and Media Myths 17:40 – “Is Anyone Driving the Bus?” – Who Really Controls Psychedelics Today 20:30 – Can Clinical Models Honor Mystical Experiences? 23:00 – Psychedelic Journalism: Objectivity vs Calling Bullshit 25:30 – Inside Vital – Redefining Psychedelic Training 28:30 – Teaching Mysticism to Therapists 31:00 – Building Trust in a Culture Skeptical of Business 37:30 – The Next Decade – Five Psychedelics Likely to Be Legalized 43:30 – Harm Reduction & Testing Culture 46:00 – The LSD Philosopher’s Stone – Energy, Alchemy & Intention 49:00 – Patreon Teaser – Trip Stories & Cosmic Humor 55:00 – Wrap-Up w/ Bryan – Breathwork, Culture & Community 59:00 – Closing – Future Guests, Patreon & Discord Invite
Reggie Watts on Psychedelics, Creativity, and Consciousness
22 Sep 2025
00:39:59
Comedian, musician, and improvisational genius Reggie Watts joins Divergent States for an unfiltered deep dive into psychedelics, creativity, and consciousness. From jamming on LSD and mushrooms to experimenting with dissociatives and even the Apple Vision Pro, Reggie opens up about how altered states shape his art, comedy, music, and worldview.
We cover:
Psychedelics in creative flow and improvisation
Dissociatives as “drug-induced float tanks”
Saffron, ketamine, and unique mixes in performance
Mainstreaming psychedelics in culture
Flow states, music as healing, and shadow work
Reggie’s bucket-list substances and wild stories from stage to studio
🔑 Whether you’re a psychonaut, a fan of Reggie’s comedy and music, or just curious about the psychedelic creative process, this is one of his rare long-form podcast conversations.
00:00 – Intro: Divergent States with Valerie Beltran 02:35 – Reggie Watts joins the show 03:27 – Saffron mixes & ketamine creativity 04:40 – Psychedelics and the creative process 05:40 – Solo vs. group creation on psychedelics 06:36 – Improv, ego, and the psychedelic equalizer 07:25 – Mainstreaming psychedelics & cultural shifts 08:15 – Tripping in ancient and future times 09:48 – Flow states, art, and natural psychedelics 12:26 – Dissociatives vs. psychedelics 15:00 – Apple Vision Pro + dissociatives 17:16 – Anamnesis: remembering the forgotten 19:31 – Jamming with Nazzle & improvisation 21:47 – Psychedelics: loosening control vs. sharpening focus 25:08 – Shadow work & healing through music 27:37 – Permission, freedom, and flow 29:47 – Psychedelics as tools or collaborators 32:00 – Closing thoughts & Patreon invite 35:04 – Outro reflections & gratitude
Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?
07 May 2025
00:59:25
In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfiltered realities of healing, addiction recovery, and the evolving landscape of psychedelic-assisted therapy.
Tom brings two decades of sobriety, a past life in global brand marketing, and deep experience navigating both the light and shadow of the psychedelic resurgence. This isn’t a conversation full of buzzwords: it’s a grounded, honest exploration of what actually helps people come back from the brink.
Together, we unpack what Ibogaine is, why it has a reputation for treating opioid addiction where other modalities fall short, and how the Beond model emphasizes safety, preparation, and integration over hype. Tom also shares stories from the frontlines: clients who arrive on death’s doorstep and walk away with not just sobriety, but a new story for themselves.
This episode dives into some hard but necessary questions:
Why do traditional Western rehab models have such a low success rate?
What does it mean to center human dignity in a treatment model?
How can clinics scale without becoming exploitative?
What role do communities like Reddit and independent media play in this movement?
Whether you're a harm reduction advocate, a skeptic, or just curious about where psychedelics are headed, this conversation challenges assumptions and offers a rare window into the operational and ethical complexities of real-world healing work.
Big thanks to our guest Tom Feegel for showing up with honesty, experience, and insight—and for the vital work he’s doing at Beond Ibogaine Clinic. https://beondibogaine.com/ Appreciation to all our listeners, supporters, and community members who keep Divergent States growing with every episode.
Shoutout to our co-host Bryan for always bringing grounded, thoughtful perspective - and to you, for being part of this movement.
🎶 Music Credit
Original music by Dyl👽Alien - alien frequencies for earthbound minds. Check out more of Dyl👽Alien’s work wherever interdimensional audio is transmitted.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview of the Podcast 03:10 Tom Fiegel's Personal Journey and the Founding of Beyond Ibogaine 18:40 The Role of Community and Support in Healing 22:29 Challenging the Stigma of Asking for Help 24:04 The Importance of Self-Forgiveness and Growth 28:31 Redefining Healing and the Role of Medicine 28:58 Healing Through Vision: Moving Beyond the Past 32:13 The Role of Ibogaine: A Natural Healing Tool 36:05 The Journey to Treatment: What to Expect 45:26 The Ibogaine Experience: A Transformative Process
Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran
24 Apr 2025
00:49:28
What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut?
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Project, to unpack 7 core principles for navigating psychedelic states with intention, safety, and compassion.
We break down everything from testing your stash to dismantling your ego, and talk about how these powerful tools can help us grow: not just as individuals, but as a culture.
🔑 Topics we cover include:
Harm reduction, substance testing, and staying safe
What makes a psychonaut different from a recreational user
Ego dissolution vs. ego inflation in the psychedelic space
The beauty of Zendo-style peer support
Psychedelic diversity, inclusion, and ethical use
The soul quadrant: psychedelics as a call to community action
Integration as an everyday spiritual practice
Why set, setting, and intention still matter more than hype
Valerie brings grounded wisdom and therapeutic insight, while 3L1T3 and Bryan keep it real with stories, skepticism, and a few laughs about LSD philosophy, festival weirdness, and Rainbow drum circles.
🧠 This is a great starting point for new explorers and a reminder to seasoned trippers that we all need to check our egos at the door sometimes.
🎧 Music by Flintwick 🪬 Support the show + get the bonus after-show with Valerie at patreon.com/divergentstates 🎤 Email: divergentstates@gmail.com
Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform
10 Apr 2025
01:04:42
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms. Alli shares her journey into microdosing advocacy, the challenges of navigating the gray market for psychedelics, and the urgent push for policy reform to ensure safe, legal access.
We dive into the science behind microdosing, its profound benefits for mental health, creativity, and even athletic performance, and discuss why current regulations often overlook this powerful tool. Alli opens up about how psychedelics helped her family process grief and why storytelling is key to destigmatizing these substances. The conversation also highlights the risks of unregulated products (like gas station "shrooms"), the importance of community-driven advocacy, and the potential for cultural momentum to shape smarter policies.
With psychedelic mushrooms gaining mainstream attention, from wellness brands to underground markets, we ask: Are we "legalizing the whole bottle of wine before the sip"? Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on the future of microdosing, the role of functional fungi in daily health, and how everyday individuals can help drive this movement forward.
Music by DylAlien.
Takeaways
Mushrooms can have a profound impact on physical and mental health.
Microdosing can help maintain mental health and prevent burnout.
Psychedelics can be valuable tools for processing grief.
There is a cultural gap in understanding and accepting death.
Microdosing is often misunderstood and misrepresented in popular culture.
Functional mushrooms offer various health benefits beyond nutrition.
Community and intentional gatherings are essential for wellness.
Advocacy for microdosing is crucial for policy changes.
The definition of a microdose is often misinterpreted.
The Microdosing Collective aims to represent and support microdosers. There is a need for a legal safe pathway for microdosing.
Education and research are crucial for microdosing advocacy.
Community involvement enhances the impact of policy reform.
The psychedelic gray market poses risks and opportunities.
https://www.microdosingcollective.org/
https://supermush.com
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Psychedelic Science 25 02:53 Ali Schaper's Journey into Microdosing 06:08 Balancing Entrepreneurship and Advocacy 09:00 Personal Experiences with Grief and Psychedelics 12:01 The Intersection of Wellness and Mortality 15:05 Microdosing Collective and Its Goals 17:48 Functional Mushrooms vs. Psychedelic Microdosing 21:01 Benefits of Functional Mushrooms 23:57 Debunking Myths about Microdosing 28:45 Legal Pathways for Microdosing 30:12 Challenges in Microdosing Policy 32:05 Education and Community Engagement 34:52 The Role of Everyday Psychonauts 36:54 Understanding the Psychedelic Gray Market 39:47 Policy Adjustments for Safe Microdosing 41:25 Community-Driven Ethos in Regulation 43:01 Cultural Momentum and Storytelling 45:41 The Renaissance of Psychedelics 47:42 Collaborations and Community Initiatives 49:01 Supporting the Movement
JR Sawyers – The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere
24 Mar 2025
01:07:14
In this deeply personal and eye-opening episode, we sit down with filmmaker JR Sawyers, the mind behind the indie psychedelic drama A Trip Elsewhere. What begins as a conversation about a film turns into a powerful exploration of transformation, healing, and consciousness.
JR opens up about the psychedelic retreat that changed his life, the emotional weight of isolation during the pandemic, and how he turned those experiences into cinematic storytelling. We dive into the emotional architecture of A Trip Elsewhere, the science and stigma of psychedelics, and how visuals can speak to the soul when words fall short.
From ego death to sacred geometry, from heartbreak to healing—this episode is as introspective and surreal as the film itself. Whether you’re curious about psychedelics, passionate about indie film, or just looking for a conversation with real heart, this one is not to be missed.
🎬 A Trip Elsewhere is streaming now on Amazon Prime, Tubi, Apple TV, and the Roku Channel.
Takeaways
J.R. Sawyers is an independent filmmaker inspired by introspective films.
His film explores the therapeutic effects of psychedelics.
Sawyers experienced a transformative retreat that influenced his filmmaking.
The film's visuals aim to capture the essence of psychedelic experiences.
Character development reflects different emotional struggles and transformations.
The future of psychedelics in therapy looks promising with increasing acceptance.
Sawyers drew inspiration from various books and films to shape his narrative. Actors appreciated the character journeys in the film.
Filmmaking was a way to relive the retreat experience.
Setting and guidance are crucial for psychedelic experiences.
Sawyers is working on a horror film about a possessed psychiatrist.
The film addresses the silent pandemic of mental health issues.
Psychedelics can help build empathy in a disconnected world.
Letting go is essential during psychedelic experiences.
He has never had a bad trip, highlighting the need for guidance.
Again, thank you to everyone who is supporting on Patreon, all of the music entries (DylAlien, Flintwich, and Future Boogz), everyone who has helped with scheduling and booking, and last but not least, r/psychonaut.
00:00 – Intro & Guest Welcome 02:00 – Inspirations & Origins 04:00 – First Psychedelic Retreat Experience 07:00 – Translating Psychedelics to Film 10:30 – The Visual & Emotional Grammar of A Trip Elsewhere 14:00 – Character Arcs & Psychological Themes 18:00 – Real-Life Moments That Made the Film 21:00 – Therapeutic Psychedelics: Real Science, Real Stories 25:00 – Set, Setting, and Integration 30:00 – Viewer Reactions, Misconceptions & Mother’s Transformation 34:00 – The Future of Psychedelics in Film and Medicine 37:00 – Behind the Scenes: Budget, Casting & Visual Storytelling 41:00 – New Projects & Final Reflections 44:00 – Advice for Psychedelic Newcomers 47:00 – Outro & Where to Watch A Trip Elsewhere
Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways
13 Mar 2025
01:07:11
In this powerful episode of Divergent States, we’re joined by Valerie Beltran and Chelsea Rose-Pires of the Zendo Project- an organization redefining harm reduction and compassionate care at festivals, events, and beyond.
We explore how the Zendo Project began as a MAPS initiative and evolved into its own nonprofit dedicated to supporting people through difficult psychedelic experiences and emotional crises, not with judgment or clinical detachment, but with radical empathy and peer support.
From creating safe spaces at Burning Man to launching training programs for crisis responders, Valerie and Chelsea offer insight into how the Zendo Project is transforming both event culture and the broader conversation around mental health, community care, and psychedelics.
Whether you’ve had a challenging trip, want to support others through non-ordinary states, or are just curious about what real-world harm reduction looks like, this is an episode you don’t want to miss.
🧘♀️ Learn how just being present can change lives. 🧠 Discover why “sitting, not guiding” is a revolutionary principle. 💬 And find out how you can get involved, support their mission, or even join them in the field.
✨ “You don’t have to be altered to walk into the Zendo. You just have to be human.” – Valerie Beltran
🔗 Learn more or get involved: zendoproject.org 💚 Donate. Volunteer. Sit with someone. It matters.
Forgot to mention on the episode, but big thanks to Future Boogz for letting us feature their track on this episode! Ach for the art, Brad for the help, and all of the Patreon Supporters!
All content in Ask Me Anything sessions are for educational purposes only. Zendo Project does not provide any legal, medical or mental health advice. Consult with a lawyer, doctor, or mental health therapist before making any significant decisions for your own situation. Any references to third party websites or service providers are made without any warranties, express or implied. All participants should conduct their own due diligence on any third party websites or professionals before engaging in any conduct. Zendo Project does not encourage or facilitate any illegal conduct.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Zendo Project and Festival Collaboration 04:06 Understanding the Zendo Project's Mission and History 10:27 The Role of Outreach and Community Support 14:46 Experiencing a Zendo Session: What to Expect 17:56 Collaboration with Medical Services and Event Producers 21:11 Challenges in Harm Reduction Awareness 23:57 Exciting New Partnerships and Initiatives 27:39 Success Stories and Impact of the Zendo Project 32:10 The Impact of Zendo Project 34:06 Getting Involved: Training and Community 36:13 Education and Outreach in Psychedelic Spaces 39:06 Navigating Adverse Experiences 42:45 Challenges in Providing Services 44:01 Future Vision and Growth of Zendo Project 48:10 Inclusivity and Accessibility in Support Services 52:08 Integration After Experiences 54:57 How to Support Zendo Project
DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom
23 Feb 2025
01:02:07
In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Dylalien: psychedelic DJ, producer, schoolteacher, and longtime organizer of Goa Gil’s legendary all-night, open-air ritual dance parties. You’ve heard his music on this podcast, but in this conversation, we go deep on what it means to create and participate in psychedelic music culture at its most raw, weird, and transformative.
Together, we explore:
The life and legacy of Goa Gil, trance music’s spiritual godfather
The influence of Hindu mysticism and Shiva archetypes in psychedelic culture
The cosmic giggle: what happens when you dance all night and see the joke behind the universe
DJing while tripping, playing to the sunrise, and accessing “wizard vision”
How sound, sync, and group dance create stacked synchronicities
Why trance is a tool, music is a medicine, and exhaustion is a drug
The evolution of the underground, from vinyl and anonymity to phones and algorithms
Being a high school teacher with a secret psychedelic life (“Did you just say that out loud?”)
Pranksters, dosed swimming pools, and the chaos magic of the California scene
How a late-in-life awakening led him to start releasing music, after decades in the shadows
We also talk about how psychedelic states can permanently shift your view of reality—how even sobriety feels different once you've danced with the universe. Dylalien reflects on how psychedelics pushed him to go vegan, redefined his ideas about spirituality, and reminded him again and again: “I don’t know anything. And that’s OK.”
This episode blends stories, insight, laughter, and nostalgia with the kind of wisdom that only comes from living decades in a counterculture groove. Whether you’re a musician, a tripper, a Deadhead, or just someone who’s felt the beat pull them into something bigger—you’ll feel at home here.
🎧 Music by Dylalien 🔗 Learn more about Goa Gil’s legacy and psychedelic trance culture 🧠 Support the show: patreon.com/divergentstates 🎤 Want to be on the podcast? Hit us up on Reddit, Instagram, or TikTok.
Big thank you Bryan, Dylalien, Flintwick, Ach, and Brad of Integration Communications!
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to DylAlien and Goa Gil 02:46 The Impact of Goa Gil on Electronic Music 05:58 The Cosmic Giggle and Psychedelic Experiences 08:58 The Evolution of Music and Technology 11:58 The Role of Music in Trance and Connection 15:45 The Changing Landscape of Music Festivals 18:03 Teaching and Navigating Youth Culture 21:05 The Joy of Musical Collaboration 24:05 The Therapeutic Power of Music and Psychedelics 27:59 Exploring the Power of Music and Drumming 34:19 The Journey into Music and Creativity 37:24 Psychedelics and Reality: A New Perspective 49:57 Microdosing: A Therapeutic Alternative 52:55 Building a Community Through Psychedelics
Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History
11 Feb 2025
00:47:49
In this profound episode of Divergent States, we welcome Wendy Tucker, daughter of Ann Shulgin and stepdaughter of the legendary Sasha Shulgin, the "Godfather of Ecstasy." Wendy shares intimate stories of growing up at the iconic Shulgin Farm, working alongside Sasha in his lab, and her mission to preserve their legacy through the Shulgin Foundation.
Key Topics Covered:
Sasha’s Lab & Humble Genius: Wendy recounts behind-the-scenes moments with Sasha, his playful humor, and the creation of 200+ psychedelic compounds.
The Farm’s Future: Why the Shulgin property is being preserved as a living community space—not a museum—with plans for workshops, events, and even weddings.
MDMA’s Therapeutic Roots: How Leo Zeff and Ann Shulgin pioneered underground therapy, and why veterans are now leading the charge for healing.
Transform Press: Updates on Sasha’s lecture series, The Nature of Drugs, and other rare archival projects.
How to Get Involved: Supporting the foundation’s mission to protect psychedelic history and foster education.
Perfect for: Psychonauts, historians, therapy advocates, and anyone curious about the intersection of science, culture, and cognitive liberty.
Follow Divergent States for more deep dives: [Instagram/YouTube] @DivergentStates]
Subscribe now to explore the minds and movements shaping psychedelics today!
Thank you to all the Guests, Patreon supporters, music submissions, and all the wonderful people that come together to make this thing happen! We couldn't be doing this without YOU!
Big thank you Bryan, Dylalien, Flintwick, Ach, and Brad of Integration Communications!
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Shulgin Legacy 03:00 Wendy Tucker's Journey and the Shulgin Foundation 06:04 The Importance of the Shulgin Farm 08:55 Community Engagement and Events 11:50 Women and Psychedelics: The Deva Collective 15:00 Personal Reflections and Lessons from the Shulgins 17:53 MDMA Therapy and Veterans' Healing 21:01 Education and Stigma in Psychedelic Use 24:01 Supporting the Shulgin Foundation 26:58 Future Initiatives and Community Building 29:49 Transform Press and Preserving Knowledge 33:03 Balancing Legacy and Modern Research 35:46 Conclusion and Future Outlook
Rick Doblin Unplugged: Psychedelics, Parenting, Trauma & the Future of MAPS
29 Jan 2025
01:05:55
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), for a raw, unscripted conversation on the future of psychedelic therapy, the dangers of hype, and the deeply personal reasons behind his decades-long mission.
We go deep into:
Why MDMA was criminalized and how Doblin outmaneuvered the DEA
The hard lessons from MAPS' FDA rejection and what's next
Parenting and psychedelics: how both Rick and 3L1T3 approach education with their kids
The trauma epidemic—why it’s bigger than war, abuse, or addiction
How psychedelics could help shift collective consciousness in an age of collapse
Burning Man, the Zendo Project, and building a new kind of community
Doblin shares stories of his first psychedelic trips, his rebellious roots, and his vision for a future where safe, supported altered states are a human right, not a privilege. This isn’t just policy talk, it’s soul talk.
👉 If you’re neurodivergent, psychedelic-curious, or just fed up with the way things are—this one’s for you.
Thank you to our Visionary Collaborators on Patreon! Thank you to Flintwick for the music!
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Divergent States and MAPS 02:47 Rick Doblin's Journey and the Founding of MAPS 10:03 The Messianic Idea and Psychedelics 18:54 Psychedelics as Tools for Healing 19:00 Educating the Next Generation about Psychedelics 25:00 The Role of Psychedelics in Addressing Global Trauma 30:09 Psychedelics and the Future of Humanity 33:31 Revitalizing Spirituality and Cultural Contexts 34:45 Psychedelics and Responsible Use 36:11 Modern Rites of Passage through Music 37:57 Harm Reduction and Support at Festivals 39:19 Psychedelic Science 2025 Conference 41:35 Community and Collaboration in Psychedelic Research 43:42 Reflections on Policy and Progress 45:42 Navigating Politics and Science 49:35 Globalizing Access to Psychedelic Therapies 52:42 The Importance of Divergent Perspectives
Joshua White – Holding the Line: Fireside, Crisis Support & Conscious Integration
12 Jan 2025
00:44:15
In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Joshua White, founder and executive director of the Fireside Project, a nonprofit creating a revolutionary model of psychedelic support through free, real-time emotional care and integration coaching.
What happens when someone takes too much LSD and needs someone to talk to—right now? What if someone is trying to process an ayahuasca ceremony months later, but feels disconnected or judged in traditional therapy settings? Fireside Project offers a lifeline—through voice, text, and now coaching—for people navigating the psychological highs, lows, and revelations that come with non-ordinary states.
Topics we explore:
Joshua’s journey from attorney to psychedelic peer support pioneer
The fusion of festival harm reduction (Zendo Project) and therapeutic models
The challenges and beauty of being vulnerable on psychedelics
Why peer support is not about fixing the trip—but honoring it
Fireside’s efforts to center marginalized voices and create culturally attuned care
The importance of long-term integration, not just “bad trip” triage
The launch of Fireside’s certified coaching program: preparation, integration, and affordable access to trained support
Training 600+ volunteers and building a new generation of psychedelic-informed supporters
The hard truth about fundraising and outreach in the psychedelic nonprofit space
How to get involved, support, or train with Fireside
We also discuss the deeper existential questions around psychedelics: Why do humans have the capacity for these experiences in the first place? What does it mean to embrace anxiety, rather than suppress it? And how do we build a post-prohibition world rooted in compassion, not commercialization?
Whether you’re preparing for your first journey, working through a past one, or just curious about what a post-psychedelic-care model could look like, this conversation offers a grounded, humble, and hopeful roadmap.
🔗 Learn more or volunteer: firesideproject.org 📱 Download the Fireside app (iOS & Android): Just two buttons—Call or Text. 💬 Support the show: patreon.com/divergentstates 🎧 Music by Flintwick
00:12 – Intro & Fireside Project Overview 02:33 – Joshua’s Journey: From Law to Psychedelics 08:37 – The Four Problems in the Psychedelic Field 12:12 – What a Fireside Support Call Is Like 14:08 – Anxiety, Acceptance, and “The Obstacle Is the Path” 17:32 – Who’s on the Other End of the Line? 20:45 – Volunteer Training & Community Structure 22:46 – Fireside’s Harm Reduction Impact 24:56 – Culturally Attuned Support & Identity-Based Care 26:56 – Fireside’s Biggest Challenge: Fundraising 31:04 – The Fireside Coaching Program Explained 32:45 – First-Time Users & Psychedelic Prep 35:17 – The Fireside App for Trippers 38:01 – Final Thoughts, Get Involved
Hamilton Morris joins Divergent States to unpack a bizarre twist in the drug war: the DEA is using Reddit posts and trip reports as courtroom “evidence.”
What happens when harm-reduction advice and half-baked comments are weaponized to criminalize psychedelics? And how do communities like r/Psychonaut survive in that climate?
In this wide-ranging conversation, we cut through hype and paranoia to tackle the future of psychedelic research, regulation, and responsibility.
We dig into the ethical tightrope between transparency and safety, the flawed logic of prohibition, and why silence isn’t a sustainable strategy. Hamilton breaks down his firsthand experience attending the DOI scheduling hearing, his efforts to build a scientifically vetted user-report journal, and how communities like r/Psychonaut are caught in the crosshairs of policy and paranoia.
Whether you’re a seasoned psychonaut or just exploring the space, this episode cuts through the hype and hysteria to ask the real questions: How do we speak honestly about altered states in a world that punishes honesty?
Topics include: • The DEA’s use of Reddit as courtroom “evidence” • Why trip reports matter and how they’re being misused • The dangers of pharmacological elitism and spiritual gatekeeping • The real meaning of harm reduction in an outlaw culture • The future of psychedelic research, regulation, and responsibility
🎶 Featuring music by Flintwick | Support us on Patreon for exclusive episodes & bonus content. 💬 Reddit: r/Psychonaut | IG: @divergentstates | #SetSettingGuide
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Context of the Episode 02:50 The Importance of Transparency in Psychedelic Discussions 06:04 Balancing Honesty and Safety in Sharing Experiences 10:33 Community Responsibility and the Impact of Online Discourse 15:54 The Role of Advocacy and Legal Support in Drug Policy Reform 20:08 Navigating the Challenges of Scientific Research and Public Perception 24:08 The Importance of Evidence in Psychedelic Communities 29:20 Navigating the Wild West of Online Drug Discussions 31:06 Spirituality vs. Scientific Analysis in Psychedelics 34:00 The Dangers of Pharmacological Elitism 37:04 Addressing the Fentanyl Crisis: A Call for Rational Drug Policy 44:06 The Future of Psychedelic Therapy and Accessibility 48:28 Integrating Cannabis into Society 50:13 Destigmatization and Education on Psychedelics 52:39 The Hype and Risks of Psychedelics 56:43 Understanding Challenging Experiences with Psychedelics 01:01:45 Cumulative Impact of Substance Use 01:07:34 Bringing Psychedelics into the Open
Psychedelics at the Crossroads: Medicine, Politics, and Culture Wars
10 Sep 2025
00:37:45
History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward?
In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of psychedelics and politics. MDMA remains a Schedule I drug—classified as dangerous with no medical use—while at the same time advancing through FDA Phase III trials. This contradiction highlights the limbo psychedelics face today: criminalized on one side, medicalized on the other.
We revisit the lessons of the 1960s, when political backlash ended promising psychedelic research for decades, and compare them to today’s fast-changing landscape. With figures like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. championing psychedelic medicine, the risk of partisan branding looms large. Can the psychedelic renaissance avoid being reduced to culture war ammunition?
From Oregon and Colorado’s legalization models to global perspectives like Australia’s, we unpack the fragile future of access, safety, and legitimacy. And we emphasize why independent media, grassroots communities, and diverse voices are essential to keeping psychedelics rooted in healing rather than political agendas.
🔑 Key Points
Psychedelics remain Schedule I but are simultaneously advancing toward FDA approval.
The 1960s crackdown shows the danger of entanglement with politics and culture wars.
Public opinion has shifted rapidly, with mainstream endorsements from figures like Oprah and Michael Pollan.
Risks of polarizing association (e.g., RFK Jr.) could trigger backlash despite strong science.
Oregon’s tightly regulated model vs. Colorado’s more open system—pros, cons, and accessibility challenges.
Potential for a two-tiered system: expensive legal clinics vs. criminalized underground use.
Independent media and grassroots communities play a key role in shaping the narrative.
Psychedelics could follow three futures: medicalized/corporate, grassroots/underground, or partisan football.
Safety concerns are emerging with unregulated “gas station mushrooms” and microdose products.
Global models like Australia’s nationwide legalization offer lessons for the U.S. path ahead.
Chapters
00:00 – The Psychedelic Contradiction MDMA is Schedule I and in FDA Phase III trials — the legal/medical limbo.
02:00 – Why Politics Are Dangerous Why Divergent States avoids partisan debates, and how culture wars derail progress.
06:30 – Lessons from the 1960s How Timothy Leary, Nixon, and the War on Drugs shut down decades of psychedelic science.
09:45 – The Risk of Polarization RFK Jr., vaccines, and how associating psychedelics with a single figure fuels backlash.
15:00 – Fragile Legitimacy Medical, cultural, and political legitimacy — and how easily it can collapse.
20:20 – Can Psychedelics Unite Us? Hope for bipartisan support, parallels with cannabis legalization.
24:00 – Global Models & Access Oregon vs. Colorado, Australia’s legalization, and fears of a two-tiered system.
27:30 – Grassroots vs. Corporate Paths Safety concerns with “gas station mushrooms,” microdosing hype, and corporate oversight.
31:00 – Pop Culture & Microdosing South Park satire, normali
What happens when psychedelic research, spiritual inquiry, and neurodivergence converge? In this premiere episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Dr. Rick Strassman, the groundbreaking researcher behind DMT: The Spirit Molecule, to explore the boundaries of consciousness, therapy, and identity.
Host 3L1T3, an autistic psychonaut and longtime community curator, shares his personal journey through psychedelics, the inner wiring of a neurodivergent mind, and why the search for meaning matters. Together with co-host Bryan, the conversation takes unexpected turns: from early DMT studies and pineal gland theories, to the dangers of spiritual bypassing, to the ways autism can shape (and sharpen) visionary experience.
🧠 Topics Include:
The hidden cost of spiritual highs
Why Strassman stepped away from psychedelics
Autistic pattern recognition and altered states
DMT beings: projection or perception?
How mainstream psychology misunderstands the trip
Whether you're deep into the psychedelic space or just starting to question consensus reality — this one's for the explorers. Get ready to think differently.
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Compass Pathways: Independent Media Talks Psychedelic Medicine
22 Aug 2025
00:38:41
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Kabir Nath, CEO of Compass Pathways, and Dr. Steve Levine, Chief Patient Officer, to talk about the future of psychedelic medicine. From FDA approval and insurance coverage to patient access, cultural safety, and patents, we dig into whether Compass is truly disrupting the pharma model or just reinventing it.
We also share a major community update: the official Divergent States Discord is now open to all of r/Psychonaut. Built by Brady and the mod team, the server is a space for harm reduction, trip reports, deep dives, and authentic connection across the psychedelic movement.
As always, this conversation is about asking the real questions without corporate PR filters. What Compass shared — and what they left unsaid — reveals as much about the future of psilocybin therapy as the answers themselves.
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Key Points
FDA approval: path to affordability or illusion of access?
COM360 psilocybin therapy: synthetic model, patient journey, and therapy debate
Access & equity: insurance hurdles, pricing models, and patient foundations
Cultural safety: trauma-informed design, marginalized populations, indigenous roots
Patents & Pharma tension: innovation vs. corporate control in psychedelic medicine
Community news: Divergent States Discord officially launches for r/Psychonaut
Chapters
00:00 – Intro: Setting the frame for Compass Pathways 01:30 – Community Update: Divergent States Discord opens for r/Psychonaut 09:30 – Guest Intros: Kabir Nath & Dr. Steve Levine of Compass Pathways 11:20 – Kabir on moving from pharma to psychedelics 12:30 – Steve on ketamine clinics & new models of care 14:15 – What “success” looks like for patients 16:00 – COM360 psilocybin therapy: synthetic vs. natural & the role of therapy 17:30 – How Compass plans to deliver psilocybin in different care settings 18:40 – Patient hopes, fears, and the path to access 20:00 – FDA approval, insurance, and affordability 21:00 – Cultural safety, trauma-informed design, and community input 21:45 – Indigenous engagement & staying “in their lane” 24:15 – The next 5–10 years of psychedelic treatment 26:10 – What could derail psychedelic medicine’s promise 28:10 – Compass’ place in the broader psychedelic ecosystem 29:50 – Outro: Independent media reflections & listener call to action
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Paul F. Austin: Mastering Microdosing and Unlocking Human Potential
07 Aug 2025
01:09:31
In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan sit down with Paul F. Austin, founder of The Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute.
We dive deep into microdosing psychedelics, intentional use for peak performance, and the rise of psychedelic coaching as a professional path. Paul shares insights from his book Mastering Microdosing, his vision for conscious entrepreneurship, and how psychedelics are reshaping the way we think about healing, creativity, and human potential.
If you’re curious about LSD or psilocybin microdosing, psychedelic integration, or building a career in the psychedelic space, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways and inspiring perspectives.
🔑 Key Topics & Takeaways:
How Paul F. Austin became a pioneer in the psychedelic space
The science and practice of microdosing for focus and creativity
Why psychedelic coaching is the next frontier in mental health and personal growth
Entrepreneurship and psychedelics: Lessons from building The Third Wave
Best practices for safe, intentional psychedelic use
Where the psychedelic movement is headed in the next 5–10 years
⏱️ Chapters: 0:00 – Welcome to Divergent States with 3L1T3 & Bryan 2:15 – Introducing Paul F. Austin & The Third Wave 5:30 – How Paul discovered psychedelics and microdosing 10:42 – The benefits of microdosing for focus, creativity & emotional balance 18:20 – Psychedelic coaching: What it is and why it’s growing 27:55 – Lessons from building The Third Wave & conscious entrepreneurship 36:10 – Integration, safety, and intentional psychedelic use 44:15 – The future of psychedelics, careers, and community 52:30 – Closing thoughts & how to connect with Paul
Amber Capone: The Psychedelics Saving Veterans from PTSD
23 Jul 2025
01:16:36
Amber Capone, co-founder and CEO of Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), shares the powerful story of how psychedelic therapy - starting with Ibogaine - helped her husband, Navy SEAL Marcus Capone, recover from PTSD and TBI when traditional care failed.
We dive into the science and controversy behind Ibogaine, the limits of VA mental health care, and how VETS is paving the way for safe access to psychedelics like MDMA, psilocybin, and ketamine for veterans in need.
Key Points:
Amber’s leap from military spouse to CEO of VETS
Ibogaine’s transformative potential for PTSD and TBI
Risks and rewards of seeking psychedelic treatment abroad
William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose, and the Return
04 Jul 2025
00:52:24
What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation?
In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard: chemist, philosopher, author of The Rose of Paracelsus, and the man once called the “Acid King.” After decades behind bars, Pickard returns with revelations about time, memory, suffering, redemption, and the spiritual cost of psychedelic pursuit.
We discuss the rise and fall of the most infamous LSD lab in history, Pickard's views on Ibogaine and modern psychedelic commercialization, and how prison reshaped his consciousness. He speaks of literature, inner stillness, shadow organizations, and the unfathomable lessons buried in the folds of silence.
A mythic guest, a poetic mind, and perhaps the most important voice in the psychedelic space today.
🔑 Key Takeaways:
The "Acid King" Speaks: For the first time in-depth post-release, Leonard Pickard reflects on his time at the center of what authorities called the largest LSD operation in history, and what he believes was really happening behind the scenes.
Prison as a Psychedelic Experience: Pickard describes incarceration not as a void, but as a radically altered state, where time dilates, silence becomes sacred, and the mind either breaks or transcends.
Ibogaine, Compassion, and the Future: He voices strong views on the therapeutic use of Ibogaine, its dangers when misused, and its misunderstood spiritual potential.
The Rose of Paracelsus as Code: More than a memoir, Pickard hints that The Rose is layered with veiled truths and archetypes meant for those “with ears to hear”, especially those seeking refuge from commercialized psychedelia.
The Invisible Networks: He suggests there are forces: academic, clandestine, spiritual, that have shaped and continue to shape psychedelic culture in ways the mainstream never sees.
Redemption Through Stillness: Pickard doesn't romanticize his past. Instead, he presents a philosophy of quiet redemption, where introspection, myth, and suffering converge into what he calls “the sacred cost.”
Warnings to the Psychedelic Industry: He offers a cautionary tale to today’s entrepreneurs and enthusiasts: be wary of glamorizing chemical mysticism, and remember that true wisdom comes not from flash, but from depth.
Dr. Anne Wagner on Relational Healing - MDMA, PTSD, and the Power of Two
23 Jun 2025
01:03:47
What if healing didn’t have to be a solo journey?
In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist, researcher, and founder of the Remedy Centre in Toronto, to explore how MDMA-assisted psychotherapy is transforming PTSD treatment by working with couples, not just individuals. From groundbreaking clinical trials to the lived reality of dyadic integration, Anne shares what she’s learning at the cutting edge of relational healing.
This conversation goes deep: into trauma, intimacy, conflict, neurodivergence, and how thinking "psychedelically" may just change everything, even outside the medicine space.
🎧 Plus: updates from Psychedelic Science 2025, upcoming guests like Leonard Pickard and Reggie Watts, and why the future of therapy might come in pairs.
🔑 Key Takeaways:
Couples Therapy with MDMA is groundbreaking: 5 of 6 couples in the pilot no longer met PTSD criteria.
Dyadic healing is multidimensional: it's not just about one partner’s trauma but transforming the relationship itself.
Integration as a couple is complex, but powerful: shared experiences provide a unique scaffolding for long-term growth.
CPT + MDMA shows promise: combining established PTSD therapies with psychedelic medicine could reshape treatment models.
Ethical training is non-negotiable: Anne cautions against unqualified practitioners marketing “psychedelic couples therapy.”
Neurodivergence and CPTSD are viable focuses: MDMA appears uniquely helpful for communication and emotional access.
⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro & Conference Check-In 04:22 – Meet Dr. Anne Wagner 04:38 – Misunderstandings About MDMA Therapy 07:13 – Empathy and Connection on MDMA 09:05 – Pilot Study Results from MDMA + CBCT 14:08 – Unexpected Dyadic Challenges 16:31 – Why Couples Therapy vs Solo MDMA Work 20:09 – Shifting Toward CPT + MDMA 24:18 – Preview of Anne’s Panels at PS25 28:57 – Defining Integration for Couples 32:35 – Will Dyadic Integration Become Its Own Field? 34:52 – Power Dynamics, Communication & Conflict on MDMA 37:22 – MDMA, Neurodivergence, and CPTSD 40:38 – Future of MDMA in General Relationship Work 42:13 – Ethical Guardrails for Psychedelic Couples Therapy 44:50 – Risks of Untrained Psychedelic Facilitators 45:44 – Training Models for Dyadic Psychedelic Therapists 47:20 – Access, Regulation & Stigma Barriers 49:20 – Anne’s Origin Story: Psychedelics, Trauma & Relationships 51:23 – Most Unexpected Lesson from the Work 53:09 – How to Connect with Remedy Centre 54:02 – Final Thoughts & Psychedelic Science Plans 59:09 – Outro: PTSD Breakthroughs & Upcoming Guests
Kyrsten Sinema on Psychedelics, Policy, and Veterans: Inside the New Bipartisan Movement
13 Jun 2025
00:33:37
In this exclusive interview, former U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema joins Divergent States to discuss the future of psychedelic medicine in American healthcare. From Ibogaine and PTSD to policy reform and bipartisan collaboration, Sinema opens up about her firsthand exposure to the healing potential of psychedelics through veterans' experiences - and why the time to act is now.
We explore how veterans are pushing the policy frontier, what FDA and CMS approval would mean, and why even critics of the current political landscape may want to support this shift.
Whether you're skeptical of government or hopeful for reform, this conversation tackles the friction between institutions and innovation—and why psychedelics might be the most disruptive medicine in a generation.
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🔑 Key Topics & Takeaways:
Sinema’s introduction to psychedelics through Ibogaine and a veteran’s recovery story
The bipartisan support behind psychedelic research and its surprising origins
Why psychedelic medicine challenges the pharmaceutical business model
The risks of corporate monopolization and how small biotech firms can resist buyouts
The path to FDA and CMS approval for Ibogaine, MDMA, and psilocybin
Why the Trump administration’s staffing of “disruptors” may accelerate reform
Access, affordability, and insurance coverage: what’s next
Her vision for psychedelic medicine by 2030
⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro: Politics, Power, and Psychedelics 01:41 – Why Interview Sinema? Pushback & Intentions 02:21 – First Sponsor Tease & PS25 Plans 03:56 – Sinema Joins the Interview 04:18 – How Ibogaine Changed Her Perspective 06:49 – Senate Colleagues' Reactions 07:44 – Policy Progress & Bipartisan Allies 09:43 – Pharma Capture & Psychedelic Industry Risks 12:02 – Can Psychedelics Avoid Biotech Monopoly? 13:40 – Cost, Access, and Equity Concerns 14:44 – Ensuring Access for the Most Vulnerable 15:56 – State vs. Federal Models 17:00 – Federal Role in Decriminalization & Reform 17:20 – Regrets or Missed Legislative Opportunities? 18:43 – Sinema’s Continued Involvement 20:06 – Political Alignment vs. Policy Goals 20:17 – Restoring Trust in Institutions 21:55 – Five-Year Outlook for Psychedelic Medicine 23:10 – Final Reflections & Outro 23:41 – Bonus: Sinema on Psychedelic Science 2025 Panels 25:17 – Collaboration with VETS Foundation 25:53 – Closing Thanks & Conference Plans 28:49 – Outro Recap & Reflections 31:19 – Sponsors, Shulgin Legacy, and Fireside Project 32:10 – Next Episode Tease: Dr. Anne Wagner
Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy
23 May 2025
00:51:28
This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — what’s new, what’s different, and why it’s shaping up to be more than just another gathering. From navigating hype vs. science to MAPS’ comms strategy, Kevin shares how the org is threading the needle between community storytelling, rigorous research, and avoiding another "Wellness Industrial Complex" meltdown.
We dig into questions around affordability, integration, cross-aisle politics, harm reduction, and even Oprah's looming presence. It's a candid, funny, and thoughtful look at where the movement is headed — and how not to lose the soul of psychedelics in the process.
Also in this episode: Rainbow Gatherings, EDM afterparties, psychedelic pickup lines, and how to make ketamine uncool.
Key Takeaways
MAPS is prioritizing integration over size for PS25, aiming for intentional connections rather than sheer numbers.
The future of psychedelics lies in dialogue, not dogma — MAPS welcomes skeptics, clinicians, artists, and policy-makers under the same roof.
Storytelling beats data alone — personal narratives help bring complex psychedelic science to wider audiences.
MAPS consciously avoids hype by deferring to the science and resisting exaggerated claims.
Access and affordability are still big questions — MAPS is actively seeking insurance and donation pathways to reduce sticker shock for marginalized communities.
There’s tension in the movement between spiritual influencers and clinical research — and MAPS isn’t shying away from those debates.
The goal is to make psychedelics boring. That’s how you mainstream a revolution.
Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction and Conference Overview 03:14 Psychedelic Science 2025: A Cultural Gathering 06:05 Target Audience and Conference Experience 09:01 Balancing Science and Experience 11:56 Community Dynamics and Open Dialogue 14:56 Storytelling in Psychedelic Advocacy 18:04 Addressing Criticism and Ensuring Access 20:55 Future of Psychedelic Research and Regulation 27:25 Curating Online Communities for Quality Engagement 29:03 Learning from Past Mistakes in Psychedelic Movements 30:40 Bridging Political Divides in Psychedelic Advocacy 31:52 The Importance of Personal Stories in Psychedelic Healing 33:44 Exploring the Deep Space Experience at PS25 35:07 Innovative Ideas for Future Psychedelic Conferences 36:53 The Impact of Celebrity Endorsements on Psychedelic Culture 39:52 Making Psychedelics Boring for Future Generations 40:29 Reflections on the Psychedelic Community and Its Growth
David Bronner: Soap, Psychedelics, and the All One Ethos
22 Oct 2025
01:16:54
Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy reform, and rewiring global supply chains to be fair, transparent, and regenerative. We trace the lineage from Rainbow Gatherings to Burning Man, from hemp activism to MAPS, and from commodity brokers to farmer-first vertical integration. Co-host therapist Valerie Beltran helps press on the tradeoffs: regulated access versus decriminalization, mission versus financing, growth versus grassroots.
Key points
The “All One God Faith” DNA, salary caps (5× lowest vested wage), and why profit is a means, not the mission.
Why Dr. Bronner’s backed hemp early, fought DEA roadblocks, and supported MAPS, Oregon’s Measure 110, DC decrim, and church-based access models.
Regulated access vs. decriminalization: complementary pathways; cost, community, and safety implications.
Purpose-aligned financing: why many mission brands drift, and how the emerging Purpose Pledge aims to solve it.
Sourcing as activism: Ghana palm grown in multi-strata agroforestry; olive oil partnerships across Palestinian and Israeli producers; farmer income and soil health as first principles.
Regenerative Organic Certification: weaving soil health, animal welfare, and fair labor into one consumer standard.
Cultural lineage: Zendo/sanctuary work, AA’s Bill Wilson and LSD, Sacred Plant Alliance, and lessons from the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
Pitfalls and PR landmines: navigating blame and lawsuits in a fast-shifting policy landscape.
Longevity over hype: why real soap beats detergents, and the quirky “punk rock soap opera” moment that proved it.
Practical integration: moving from unitive states to everyday choices—diet, sourcing, and local service.
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00:00 – Intro & Setup 02:00 – From Burning Man to the Mic 04:35 – Origins & Rainbow Gathering Roots 06:25 – The All One God Faith Legacy 10:25 – Sourcing as Activism 15:20 – Mission Financing & the Purpose Pledge 17:35 – Building Roots & Staying Grounded 22:30 – Why Risk Psychedelic Advocacy 28:30 – Early Activism & the Hemp Wars 33:00 – Meeting Rick Doblin at Burning Man 37:00 – Decrim, Churches & Community Access 39:15 – Pitfalls & Lawsuits 40:30 – Choosing Battles & Lessons from Oregon 110 42:45 – Integration & Regenerative Organic Agriculture 46:45 – From Vision to Action 51:55 – Balancing Perfection & Pragmatism 55:45 – Longevity over Hype 1:01:00 – Heaven on Earth & Deep Time 1:03:45 – Brotherhood of Eternal Love & Rainbow Bridge 1:08:30 – Closing Reflections 1:12:00 – Outro & Patreon Call to Action