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Father Augustine tries to argue with Robbie McGehee, race car driver, who competed in the Indy Racing League and won the Indianapolis 500 Rookie of the Year award in 1999.

What is Indy Car Racing?

Are some drivers better than others?  Can you show us some examples? (YouTube?). Can you describe them?

How can you tell?

Is there any sense in which what you do in the car can be described as art?

Does “taste” or “personal preference” play a roll in driving?

Can you describe for us a moment when you were driving and knew you were “in the zone” or knew you were at the very top of your game?

Can you describe for us a moment when you were driving that you look back upon and cringe?

Has driving at that level made you a better person?  Does watching that level of driving do something good for those who watch it?  What does it achieve?

And how would you answer these challenges:

“I don’t know much about Formula One, but I can see that it’s just a bunch of guys driving in a circle.”

“It looks easy to me.”

*Does Indy Car racing translate to go-cart racing?

The boys disagree about immigration--then agree about it.

The boys solve the crisis in Iran...and reach the top 5% of podcasts worldwide!

The boys discuss Fish Fries, Yemeni coffee shops, world hunger, and genetic augmentation...

Umar and Augustine meet in front of the Pope's old novitiate in Saint Louis to meet with eminent local historian Christian Naffziger to discuss the neighborhood, gentrification, French people, Duke Ferdinand, flat earthers, confederate monuments, and pretty much anything Fr. Augustine's A.D.D. can sneak in...

While the boys discuss the newly elected pope, a massive tornado rips through Saint Louis!

Umar and Augustine choose the next Pope…in their own special “Papal Enclave.”

Umar visits Father Augustine's Sexual Ethics Class and answers questions:

What is Truth?What is Reality?What is evil?What is sin?Can god change the “rules” of ethics if he wants to?Are human beings basically good or basically bad?What is a human being/What does it mean to be human?Does the world need a code of sexual ethics?What is the role of women in Islam?How does the Koran define chastity and how does a Muslim man approach it?How does Islam approach the topic of artificial contraception?How does Islam advise homosexuals to be chaste?Do you believe that homosexuals should have the option of being legally married?How does Islam/the Koran address the topic of homosexuality?Are there elements of Catholic sexual ethics that you find off-putting or just plane wrong?Why did you convert to Islam?How do most Muslims think of Catholics (in your opinion)?Where (in your opinion) did Catholicism (and/or Christianity) go wrong?Is there anything you admire about the Catholic Church?What should America learn from Islam?Do Muslims believe in Hell?  If so, what sort of sins can land you in HellDo you believe that living with your intended spouse before getting married is justifiable?Why do human beings have bodies?

In the exciting finale to the finale to the first season...the boys discuss great books, the World Cup, and America's lost moral authority.

The guys discuss the archaeology of Israel, how to eat dog, and inter religious dialogue.

Auschwitz, Antisemitism, and Israel

Umar and Augustine talk liturgy...and other things.

Umar makes a big announcement and the boys talk about saints.

The guys discuss Catholicism,  Catholic v. Protestant liturgy, divorce, and slavery...whew!

Umar Lee and Father Augustine interview a self-professed "reactionary conservative" priest--and things get a little crazy!

Umar and Father Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 4

Umar and Father Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 3

Umar and Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 2

Umar and Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 1

The boys discuss politics as fornication, Hilary Clinton and Pat Bucanan, Father Augustine gets the number of Supreme Court justices wrong, and Umar gives dating advice to our listeners...

The boys talk about pro-life, pro-choice, pro-Trump, and the "Insurrection"

Father Augustine and Umar discuss pop culture, contraception, Pope John XXIII and fat saints...

Father Augustine explains Lent...and midway through, a special guest arrives!  Then on to Critical Race Theory, shifting norms, trophy wives, trophy husbands, and what constitutes "attractive" in America, among other things.

Ramadan vs Lent...plus terrorism, a bad word for Catholics, and we plan a paintball crusade: Muslims vs. Catholics!

Father Augustine slaps Umar!

Just kidding.

 Instead, they discuss the Oscars, the state of Marriage in America, and what it means to be a man.

We talk about the "vocation crisis", the decline of the Church in Ireland (and Islam in SIria), conservatives vs. liberals, and so on...

Father Augustine and Umar discus sex, celibacy, polygamy, feminism, the Incel movement, Dave Chapelle, The Decline and Fall of Mars Hill...and more!

Father Augustine Wetta and Umar Lee read "The Disagreement Manifesto"

The purpose of the podcast is not to convince, convert, propagandize or win. Unlike other podcasts, we are two men with wildly different religious, political, and social convictions seeking mutual understanding.  The point is dialogue.

The opinions expressed in this podcast are exactly that.  While our religious convictions inform these opinions, neither of us claims to present an infallible—or even an accurate—representation of the dogmas or defenses of our respective faiths.  We try to be true to our respective traditions, but if listeners are seeking apologetic or dogmatic expositions, they are invited to look elsewhere.

Why does the world need this podcast?  Because we’ve got enough outrage, conflict, competition, and contempt in the media.  We feel that the world could use an example of civil dialogue—conversation, as opposed to debate.*

*Not that there’s anything wrong with debate.  The world needs provocateurs, agitators, debates, and protests.  That’s just not what we’re doing here.

With that in mind we:

1.  Will not use notes or electronic devices during the podcast.  Otherwise, it just becomes a battle of the cell phones.  (Listeners can ‘fact check’ if they like.  In fact, we encourage you to do so in the comments section. As for us, we trust that one another’s facts are exactly that.)

2.  We will feel free to tease one another, but never disrespect or dismiss.

3.  We will seek first to understand rather than to be understood.

In a talk to the Catholic Deacons of Saint Louis, Father Augustine gives his perspective on the racial tensions in Ferguson and tells the story of how he first met Umar Lee.

In this episode, Father Augustine introduces himself...and we throw in just the tiniest bit of provocative content.

In this episode, Umar introduces himself, and we throw in just the tiniest bit of provocative content.