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Sarah June didn't grow up a runner. She grew up a gymnast — until doctors thought she'd broken her back and the pain took the fun out of it. After college, she traded cigarettes and late nights for running shoes: every time she craved a smoke, she went for a run instead. Her first goal was a two-mile loop around a lake in Rochester, Minnesota. It took months. Then she accidentally signed up for a trail 5K, placed second without knowing races had places, and got hooked.

In this episode of the Dirt and Vert podcast, David and Matt dig into Sarah's evolution from reluctant runner to ultramarathon coach, strength coach, and FKT holder. She opens up about the races that broke her — a Black Canyon 100K DNF in a snowstorm at 47 miles, freezing in 30-degree wind while her watch auto-paused because she was moving too slow to register, and a Mogollon Monster 100 DNF at mile 70 after sitting in an aid station for two and a half hours, out of sodium, spiraling mentally until she called her husband and told him she was broken.

But this isn't a sob story. It's a masterclass in the endurance athlete mindset. Sarah talks about the race she's proudest of — Saddles 100, where she pulled herself out of mental lows, battled heat exhaustion, and walked the final ten miles to the finish — and her life-changing 247-mile Maricopa Loop FKT, completed in 84 hours and 17 minutes with an umbrella in 95-degree heat and a crew that never left her side. She breaks down the unsexy details that decide 100-mile races: ultra running nutrition, remembering your sodium capsules, changing your shoes before your feet turn into sausages, lining up pacers early, and why crewing an ultra well matters as much as training for one.

Whether you're deep into ultramarathon training, chasing your first FKT, or just trying to understand why anyone runs 100 miles through the mountains, Sarah's story is proof that the outcome you want isn't always the experience you need — and that the experience is what makes you dangerous next time.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, David, Matt, & Mary are joined by our good friend, fellow race director, and the creative force behind Yeti Trail Runners, Jason Green.

With the first-ever joint ECA and Yeti event—the Smoky Mountain 24 Hour Challenge—just around the corner, we sit down to talk about how a shared love for the Appalachian spirit and Dolly Parton sparked the creation of this massive new race.

The core of this episode is a complete masterclass in ultra crewing. Drawing from decades of combined experience as both runners and race directors, we break down exactly what not to do when crewing a 100-miler. We talk about the dangers of overloading a fatigued runner with choices, the importance of preloading GPS maps, and why giving your runner too much empathy at mile 80 can end their race. We also dive into the emotional side of the sport, sharing our personal "whys," how hitting rock bottom led us to the trails, and why the ultra community's relentless support is the ultimate antidote to a disconnected world.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert trail running podcast, we sit down with ultra runner Joey Patoray to talk about his unbelievable journey into endurance sports. If you are searching for ultramarathon motivation, mindset strategies for overcoming trauma, or tips on running 100-mile races, this episode delivers.

After a traumatic construction accident left him fighting for his life in the hospital for 31 days with six surgeries and twelve blood transfusions, Joey went from being unable to walk to the parking lot to finishing the legendary Leadville 100 ultramarathon in under 24 hours. We dive deep into his gritty mindset for endurance training and how he leverages extreme trail running challenges to unplug from life and build resilience. Joey shares the raw reality of pushing the human body to its absolute limit, including running the Georgia Death Race on a fractured foot, surviving the brutal humidity of the Cherokee 130K with three hernias, and crushing a 171-mile PR at a 48-hour timed race. Discover what it takes to stop making excuses and tackle the hardest backyard ultras and point-to-point endurance events on the East Coast and beyond.

Inside the Episode, We Break Down:

• 🏥 The Comeback: Fighting back from near-death to running 100-milers and refusing to settle for mediocrity.

• 🏔️ Leadville vs. Cherokee: Why the brutal humidity, slick rocks, and running with three hernias at the Cherokee 130K made Leadville feel like a breeze.

• 🦴 Running on Broken Bones: Grinding out 51 miles of the Georgia Death Race on a fractured foot because quitting wasn't an option.

• ⏱️ Backyard Mindset: Overriding a blown plantar fascia by digging a massage gun into his heel every 4 miles to hit 108 miles—just in time to make it to his kid's birthday party.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, Matt and I sit down with an amazing runner, coach, and longtime friend of East Coast Adventures: Leslie Cockrell.

We first met Leslie back at the 2023 Fort Frenzy 12-hour, and since then, she has been an absolute fixture in our running community. Leslie takes us through her entire progression—starting out running during COVID, jumping into a 22-mile mountain retreat in Glacier National Park, and diving headfirst into the ultra scene with a 52-miler and two 100-mile finishes in her very first year of racing.

We talk about the hard physical lessons learned along the way: fixing severe glute imbalances, navigating waist-deep water in Florida mangrove swamps at the Vero Beach Octopus 50K, and pacing her husband Jeremy through the brutal climbs of the Cherokee 70K. Leslie also gets real about her first DNF at the Great Divide, opening up about the mental traps that convince us to quit, why the regret of stopping hurts ten times worse than the physical pain, and how failing forward gives you the belief to tackle your next 100.

Key Topics

Leslie's journey from casual runner to ultra marathoner

Training and race preparation for ultras

Lessons learned from race experiences and DNF moments

Importance of community and support in ultra running

Heat training and race day strategies

Balancing personal development and athletic goals Leslie's transition from rodeo to ultrarunning

Crewing experiences and lessons learned

The emotional and physical challenges of ultramarathons

The importance of community and support in racing

How to handle a DNF and learn from it

Race directing and creating positive race experiences

Balancing coaching with personal racing goals

The mental strategies for endurance sports

The significance of race environment and organization

Leslie's future race goals and motivations

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, David & Matt sit down with an absolute grinder, good friend, and recent champion of the Inkom Last Man Standing: Brian Baker.

Brian opens up about the road that brought him into this sport. After a devastating 2021 ATV accident on his family farm broke his pelvis, fractured his spine, and claimed the life of his senior firefighter and close friend Pat Mahan, Brian was left battling heavy survivor's guilt. He turned to suffering to cope—first putting his head down to complete a full year of daily CrossFit Hero WODs in Pat's honor, and eventually taking that drive to ultra running, where he found a deeper path to Christ and learned to stop using suffering as a punishment.

We dive deep into the brutal reality of the short-loop format at Midstate Mile and Inkom Last Man Standing, where you have to line up every 20 minutes and make the conscious choice to suffer again. Brian shares his massive progression from 70 miles at Midstate Mile in 2025 to throwing down 127.6 miles over 39 hours and 40 minutes at Inkom Last Man Standing to take the overall win. We break down the danger of the "micro-quit" on the climbs, how an impromptu crew of friends helped him stay in the fight, and the raw emotion of taking that solo victory lap knowing the work finally paid off.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, Matt and I sit down with a longtime friend in the Southeast trail community, and two-time No Business 100 finisher, Keith Overbay.

Keith’s journey is one a lot of us can relate to—starting out in his 30s to get back into shape after a divorce, finding the trail community through Nashville's Dirtbags group, and eventually tackling brutal 100-milers like No Business and Cruel Jewel. But earlier this year, Keith went through something none of us saw coming. While casually riding his bike through Nashville to cheer on friends at the marathon, he felt a bad side stitch that turned out to be a spontaneous collapsed lung.

We dive deep into Keith’s medical scare, the reality of having a tube put in your chest and getting surgery to rough up lung tissue, and the patience it takes to rebuild after back-to-back setbacks. We also talk about the mental grit required to survive 32 hours of hallucinations on a 100-mile course, learning to stop making excuses during 24-hour loops, and why ultra running is the single greatest tool for emotional growth and problem solving.

Key Takeaways

• Finding the Outlet: How a life pivot and divorce in Keith’s 30s sparked a return to running that eventually led straight into the ultra community.

• The Spontaneous Pneumothorax: The wild story of riding a bike, feeling what seemed like a minor cramp, and ending up in the ER with a collapsed lung requiring surgery and chest tubes.

• Listening to Your Body: Recognizing when something isn't normal pain, trusting your gut, and seeking medical care before a bad situation turns deadly.

• Hallucinations at Mile 80: What happens to the mind after 30 hours in the woods—from imaginary hot dog carts to seeing pirate ship masts in the trees.

• Problem Solving for 30 Hours: Keith’s perspective on why ultra running isn't just physical—it’s an ongoing test in staying patient, troubleshooting issues, and keeping a positive mindset.

• No Business 100: Looking back at the grit, weather, and deep relationships that make finishing a mountain 100 so meaningful

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, David & Matt sit down with fellow East Coast Adventures running team member, athlete, and coach Taylor Williams. Taylor shares her unfiltered story of stepping into the ultra world, from running her first 50K at Firewater to tackling one of the most brutal mountain races on the East Coast—the Cherokee.

Taylor pulls back the curtain on her massive training block leading into this year's Cherokee 130K, the mental hurdle of stepping onto the course alone, and navigating high heat, extreme humidity, and severe chafing that ultimately brought her day to a halt at mile 61. We dive deep into why a DNF doesn't define who you are, the power of leaning into a mentorship under Mary Cates, and how stepping out of your comfort zone builds lasting grit and grace.

Learn more about Taylor and coaching here:

https://www.endurecoach.com

email: endurecoachingknox@gmail.com

Key Takeaways

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  The Cherokee Experience: What it truly takes to prepare for and face 10,000+ feet of climb in the middle of summer humidity.

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  Overriding Imposter Syndrome: How Taylor moved past self-doubt to embrace huge miles, solo training runs in the Smokies, and leading other runners as a coach.

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  The Reality of a DNF: Why walking away with gas left in the tank teaches you where your real boundaries are and sets the stage for future growth.

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  Power Hiking Mastery: The strength of using the uphill as a tool to control heart rate and manage fatigue late in an ultra.

• Grit & Grace in Action: How finding a running family transforms your mindset on race day and keeps you grounded when things get tough.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, Mike and I sit down with legendary ultra runner, coach, podcaster, and former race director Aaron Saft. Aaron called in live from his truck while towing his camper across the country to prepare for the Rocky Mountain Slam—giving us an authentic, unfiltered look into a career that spans over two decades in endurance sports.

Aaron takes us way back to the early, pre-UltraSignup days of the sport, when paper registrations, cash on race day, and low-cut hiking boots were the norm. We dive into his vast resume—from winning sub-ultra trail national championships to completing the Grand Slam and Bigfoot 200—and talk about his annual "Misogi" challenges, like running a calendar club challenge that capped off with a food-poisoning-fueled Christmas day effort. Aaron also shares the terrifying time he stood eye-to-eye with a 10-foot brown bear at the Canadian Death Race, why a high-carb strategy doesn't work for every stomach, and how decades of trail miles have deepened his relationships with his family and friends.

Key Takeaways

• Before the Tech Era: What trail racing looked like in the early 2000s, handing out Janji gear before it was cool, and how the sport has evolved from paper sign-ups to live-streamed commercial events.

• The Canadian Death Race Encounter: Standing 6 feet away from a 10-foot brown bear with two cubs, sprinting 40 miles into the race, and trading a coin to a ferryman to cross a glacial river.

• Annual Misogi Challenges: Why Aaron sets one challenge a year with a 50% chance of failure—and how he survived running a 172-mile week in December through a bout of severe food poisoning.

• Nutritional Pivot for Older Athletes: Learning that high-carb intake isn't a one-size-fits-all solution, and why incorporating fats and proteins early can save an aging gut.

• Grieving a DNF: Why every runner needs a grace period to process a failed race, make a "what went right vs. wrong" list, and use the community to problem-solve.

• The Intrinsic 'Why': Why true motivation comes from the deep, unfiltered connections forged with family and crew out in the dark miles.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, we sit down with two-time Cherokee Ultra 130K finisher Aden Rogers. Aden is one of only four runners to earn the coveted Cherokee double buckle, and her story from this year's race is a masterclass in relentless forward progress.

Aden breaks down her journey into trail running—from picking up the sport to find time for herself as a mom to winning her very first 100-miler at Pinhoti. We go deep into her experience on the Cherokee course this year, where brutal heat and humidity forced her to battle extreme dehydration and stomach issues starting at mile 15. Aden shares what went through her mind on the dark stretch of Doc Rogers Road, how she navigated the fine line between safety and quitting, and why she refuses to give up on herself when things get dark.

• The Cherokee Double Buckle: Aden breaks down what it took to finish one of the toughest mountain courses on the East Coast for the second time.

• Battling the Heat: Managing severe dehydration and humidity, dealing with stomach issues from mile 15, and finding a way to keep moving forward.

• The Dark Miles: The mental strategy Aden used on the Doc Rogers Road section when quitting felt like the only option.

• Refusing to Give Up: Why Aden believes hardships in life and running are temporary, and how pushing through dark moments builds lasting strength.

• Pinhoti to Cherokee: Reflections on her background, from winning her first 100-miler at Pinhoti to tackling brutal technical vert.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, get ready for a one-on-one conversation with a runner who has been absolutely lighting up the ultra scene over the last couple of years—Kristen Soinski.

Fresh off the Chasing Democracy 250—a massive 250-mile journey run from the Statue of Liberty to Washington D.C. alongside Harvey Lewis and Greg Armstrong—Kristen pulls back the curtain on what it really takes to cover huge point-to-point distances in 90-plus degree heat. We talk about her start in middle school running, taking a five-year break from the sport, and her wild leap into ultras where she dropped a staggering 154 miles at her very first backyard ultra at Ohio's Backyard. Kristen shares how running became a vessel for navigating heavy personal grief, why she refuses to let a bad mile define her day, and the hilarious behind-the-scenes moments of foraging mulberries and accidentally buying sea moss jelly on the road with Greg and Harvey.

This week on the Dirt & Vert Podcast, Matt and I are sitting down with a runner who has been on an absolute, unhinged hot streak lately: Josh LaCrone. Josh is a paramedic, a dad, and the reigning course record holder at our very own Fort Frenzy, where he threw down a massive 113.15 miles on a notoriously brutal trail.

What makes Josh’s story completely insane is that Fort Frenzy was only his second ultra ever. After navigating some tough personal times, Josh set a wild goal to run a 100-mile race every single month—and he’s actually doing it. We talk about the steep learning curve of trail elevation, battling recurring rhabdo, and a recent, wild experience at the Matakwa 24 where he got bit by a baby copperhead at 11:00 PM, went to the ER, left against medical advice, and came straight back to the trail to finish the race and grab his buckle. We also deconstruct his performance at Blackbeard, where he threw down a spectacular 14-hour hundred on pure asphalt, proving he has the elite speed to completely mix it up with the top tier of the sport.

This week on the Dirt & Vert Podcast we have a guest who is redefining what it means to go the distance—Cody Taylor. Cody’s path is wild: he went from being a touring, major-label new metal drummer to a full-time endurance athlete and coach.

If you think a standard 100-mile race is tough, try dropping yourself onto a 550-mile trail completely unsupported—carrying a 50-plus pound pack, filtering your own water, and surviving a 50-hour push with nothing but a pocket full of pepperoni and zero sleep. We dive deep into his record-breaking FKTs on the Bruce Trail and the International Appalachian Trail, the brutal learning curve of packing a heavy bag incorrectly, and what it’s like to battle raw hallucinations and panic attacks in the deep backcountry. This conversation is a true masterclass in grit, constant self-reinvention, and what happens when you step up to a starting line with absolutely nothing to prove.

We are just two weeks out from Father's Day weekend, and that means it's time for a family reunion at the notorious Mid-State Mile in Franklin, Tennessee. To get our runners mentally locked in, we sit down with two legendary champions who know exactly what it takes to survive the "murder mile": Aaron Dana and Eric Kienle.

This conversation is a total masterclass for anyone stepping onto this course for the first time. Aaron and Eric strip away the illusions of the race on paper and dive straight into the brutal reality of the trail—the steep incline of Myers, the technical quad-burning descents, and the thick canopy that traps 90-degree heat and humidity deep into the night. We deconstruct our own fumbles from year two, trade notes on time-saving gear hacks like elastic Caterpie laces, and talk about how to mentally manage a strict 20-minute loop without letting a pity party or false strength from other runners take you out of the game.

This week on the Dirt & Vert Podcast, we are bringing you a heavy-hitting episode packed with prestige, mindset, and some serious backyard ultra strategy. Hosts David and Matt are joined by two of the absolute animals on the USA Backyard Ultra team: the legendary Harvey Lewis and the powerhouse Mark Dowdle.

Fresh off their massive battle at the BPN Last Man Standing event, Harvey and Mark are joining forces—and going head-to-head—at Tennessee’s notorious Mid-State Mile in Franklin. They dive deep into why they are stepping out of their comfort zones to face 340 feet of grueling elevation gain per loop, how they handle the intense external pressure of media-heavy races, and the specific mental shifts required when the quitting mindset starts sounding reasonable.

Mark shares his transition from college lacrosse to running after being inspired by a David Goggins podcast, while Harvey reflects on his incredible longevity in the sport, having run ultras longer than Mark has been alive. We deconstruct the unique format of Mid-State—where you have a strict 20 minutes to complete 340 feet of elevation gain and loss—and exchange veteran advice on managing body temperature in 90% humidity. From Harvey's 3-minute classroom naps to Mark's relentless "Calendar Club" training blocks, this conversation is a masterclass in locking down your mental game and building a bulletproof crew.

We get a lot of questions about how to get into race directing, how to host fundraisers for charity, and what it actually takes to put on your very first 5K or 10K. In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, David, Matt, and Mike Taylor break it all down into a simple, high-level roadmap.

We start the day catching up on Mike and Matt's longest 50K ever at the Stump Jump anniversary race—a beautiful, well-marked course where they threw up a thousand times, survived on green and red Gatorade, and battled some classic race director lies about the actual distance to the next aid station. Then, we dive into the nitty-gritty of race directing. From navigating monthly city agenda permits and securing liability insurance policy to choosing a major hosting platform like RunSignUp and finding a local photographer to capture the memories, we share the fumbles we went through so you don't have to.

What happens when a group of six runners—some of whom just met—piles into an RV to run 340 miles through the desert? Whitney Dancaster and Peter Haggemeier take us inside their recent journey through The Speed Project.

​In this episode, we learn how the team navigated the "OG Route," alternating 10K segments while battling extreme winds and high-desert heat. Peter and Whitney discuss the intense bond formed in the "Petri dish" of a cramped RV, the surrealism of seeing the Vegas lights after two days of effort, and the unique challenges of self-crewing a race where the only rule is to just keep moving.

What does it look like to have 107 races and 104 trophies? For Rachel Entrekin, it looks like a duffel bag full of hardware under the bed and a life recently transformed by professional running contracts.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, we sit down with Rachel to discuss her transition from a Doctor of Physical Therapy to a full-time professional athlete. Rachel takes us through her "prolific" racing schedule, her shift from road marathons to the mountain trails of Colorado, and the incredible 10-hour improvement she made at Cocodona 250 just by fixing her fueling strategy. She also shares one of the most harrowing (and hilarious) "rookie mistake" stories in ultra history involving a heat wave, a bad case of chafing, and a very poorly timed application of Icy Hot.

Key Takeaways

The Pro Pivot: How Rachel leveraged her success in 2025 to sign professional contracts and leave her 40-hour PT job.

The Cocodona Breakthrough: A deep dive into how she shaved 10 hours off her time through better fueling and altitude training.

The Multi-Day Mindset: Lessons from Matt Shepard on why you should sleep when you're tired rather than sticking to a rigid plan.

Gear & Humility: Why she traded Old Navy shorts for technical gear like Teregnota and Norda to survive the triple-digit distances.

The "Why": Why Rachel runs "because her life is too easy," using the sport as a practice ground for resilience.

What happens when you trade the high-stress world of Tesla for a career in Sales Engineering? For Sierra DeGroff, it meant finding the mental space to become one of the most dominant forces in the ultra-running community.

In this episode of the Dirt & Vert Podcast, we sit down with the 2026 Umstead 100 Female Champion to deconstruct her journey from a Michigan track athlete to the top of the ultra podium. Sierra gets real about her transition from the marathon distance to the grueling world of 100-milers, sharing the "nitty-gritty" of her Umstead race strategy and the nutrition plan that kept her fueled for a first-place finish. We explore the central theme of her career: how improving her work-life balance didn't just make her happier—it made her faster.

Most ultra runners encounter their toughest moments when the race pushes them to the limit—and Kirk Cherep’s story is no different. From a lightning-fast win in his first ultra to a heartbreaking DNF at the grueling No Business 100, Kirk’s journey is a vivid reminder that in this sport, humility is part of the adventure.

In this candid episode, the founder of Trailblazer Running shares the "nitty-gritty" of race strategy, the wrestler-to-runner pipeline, and the insider secrets to creating community-driven races in Indiana. We dive into the unique challenge of a "Trail Golf" ultra—where strokes matter more than time—and how to manage the staggering 10,000 feet of elevation gain at the Knobstone 50. Whether you’re chasing your first 50K or dreaming of a hundred-miler, Kirk’s insights on mental toughness and technical race design provide the ultimate blueprint for the modern trail runner.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we welcome back Jeremy Bohnett, the Co-Founder of Hyperlyte Liquid Performance, fresh off a massive podium finish and a new Personal Best at the Run Love It 100.

Jeremy takes us inside the race where everything finally "clicked." We break down the specific muscular endurance workouts that paved the way for his success and how he balances the "Triple Threat" of elite training, high-stakes entrepreneurship, and family life. Jeremy also gives us an exclusive first look at the future of Hyperlyte, including the development of their highly anticipated high-carb gels and flavor-neutral formulations.

Whether you’re looking to kill the "death march" at mile 80 or want to hear how a viral documentary sparked a brand explosion, this conversation is packed with actionable gear, grit, and gains.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are sitting down with Katie, an athlete whose endurance resume is as diverse as it is impressive. From the structured intensity of collegiate rowing and professional triathlons to the rugged freedom of the Appalachian Trail, Katie has seen it all.

We dive into how she navigated high-level burnout to find her passion again in the trail and ultra world—culminating in her unique (and digestive-defying) victory at the Taco Bell 50K. Katie breaks down how she balanced a "Fourth Meal" with race-pace miles, the lessons she carried off the AT, and why she’s traded the Ironman asphalt for the dirt of the upcoming Arizona Trail.

Whether you're looking for professional training insights or just want to hear how one survives a 31-mile burrito run, this episode is a masterclass in versatility.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are talking about the long game. We sit down with Dusty Jameson to discuss his incredible decade-long pursuit of the "Holy Grail" for many marathoners: the sub-3 hour finish.

Dusty wasn't a natural-born runner—in fact, he started out hating it. He takes us through the evolution from a reluctant runner to an elite performer, sharing the raw reality of the injuries that sidelined him and the mental resilience it took to keep coming back. We break down the specific race strategies, pacing discipline, and injury prevention protocols he used to finally break the 3-hour barrier.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are joined by a woman who literally rewrote the history books: Ashley Paulson.

Ashley recently stunned the running world by setting the 100-mile World Record, and in this episode, she pulls back the curtain on how she did it. We move past the surface-level talk and dive into the "meticulous" planning required to maintain world-record pace for 100 miles. Ashley shares her specific fueling protocols, the high-volume training strategies that hardened her body, and the "dark room" of mental toughness she enters when the miles get heavy.

From her early days to her future goals of pushing the limits of human potential even further, this is a deep dive into the mind of the fastest 100-mile woman on the planet.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are entering the "Yellow Gate." We’re sitting down with Jason Bailey to deconstruct his journey from the local trails to the most elusive race on the planet: The Barkley Marathons.

Jason takes us behind the scenes of Frozen Head State Park, detailing the grueling progression of his running career and the hyper-specific training required to even stand a chance in Tennessee’s toughest woods. We dive into the "Barkley specific" skillset—navigating by map and compass, the adrenaline-fueled hunt for hidden books, and the legendary traditions that make this race a psychological battlefield.

This isn’t just about miles; it’s about the profound meaning found in the struggle and the mental resilience required to face a race designed to make you fail.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are joined by one of the most versatile and high-performing athletes in the ultra world: Meg Eckert.

Meg is a force to be reckoned with, whether she’s running circles at Desert Solstice, tackling the furnace of Badwater 135, or preparing for the 250-mile journey at Cocodona. We go deep into the "how" of her training—from the calculated suffering of sauna sessions to the mental flexibility required to survive a 6-day race. Meg also highlights the incredible rise of the female ultra-running community and the deep emotional bonds that make races like Snowdrop so much more than just a distance on a map.

If you want to know what it takes to perform at the elite level while maintaining a deep passion for the community.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are joined by the incredible Becca Joyner—ultra runner, course record holder, and a powerhouse who balances three boys and multiple jobs while crushing miles.

Becca takes us through her evolution from a workplace step challenge to setting the course record at Dark Anchor. We dive into the raw, humbling reality of races like Volstate and the Yeti 100, where running strips you down to the bare essentials of survival. Becca opens up about the emotional toll of training, the "kindness of strangers" that keeps you moving at Mile 80, and her deep-seated passion for fundraising for Type 1 Diabetes research.

This is an episode about grit, vulnerability, and finding a purpose far bigger than the finish line.

🏃‍♂️ Call to Action: Run for Type 1!

Dirt & Vert listeners, it’s time to step up. Becca is hosting the Run for Type 1 5K to benefit JDRF/Breakthrough Type 1 in honor of Beau Joyner.

There is a virtual option, so there are NO EXCUSES. Whether you are local or across the country, you can log these miles for a great cause.

• Race: Run for Type 1

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This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we’re joined by Jeremy Bohnett, the co-founder of Hyperlyte Liquid Performance. Jeremy’s journey is a fascinating transition from the world of long-distance thru-hiking to the high-intensity realm of 100-mile ultra-marathons.

We dive into the "why" behind Hyperlyte, a nutrition company born out of the need to simplify the complicated world of endurance fueling. Jeremy breaks down the science of their high-carb, high-sodium formulas and why they chose an "authentic, messy" brand identity that reflects the reality of trail running over a polished corporate image.

Whether you’re curious about the mental shift from walking across the country to running 100 miles, or you're looking for a better way to manage your race-day gut, this conversation with Jeremy is packed with entrepreneurial grit and trail wisdom.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Jeremy Bonet and Hopper Lot

03:01 Jeremy's Journey from Thru-Hiking to Trail Running

06:02 Transitioning from Hiking to Running: Challenges and Growth

08:42 The Allure of the 100-Mile Race

11:49 The Community and Camaraderie in Ultra Running

14:42 Fueling Strategies for Endurance Races

17:54 The Science Behind Hopper Lot's Formulation

20:51 Launch and Growth of Hopper Lot

25:04 Timing and Luck in Marketing

28:46 The Importance of Branding

30:02 Reflecting on Success

32:54 The Simplicity of Running

35:49 What Sets Hopper Lot Apart?

40:28 Pride in Authenticity

42:02 Favorite Gear and Products

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we sit down with the newly crowned MAD Backyard Ultra Course Record Holder, Ashley Pipkin!

Ashley's story is the ultimate proof that you don't need to be a "lifelong athlete" to dominate the ultra scene. She takes us through her transformation from a non-athletic childhood to outlasting the field and rewriting the record books. We dive deep into the specific mental grit required to run loops until you're the last one standing, her "eat everything" nutrition strategy, and why she values raw, real-life trail experiences over the curated world of social media.

From her first "accidental" interest in long distances to her upcoming goals at the legendary Barkley Fall Classic, Ashley breaks down the mindset of a champion and the importance of having a rock-solid support system (shoutout to her husband!) in your corner.

Takeaways:

Ashley transitioned from recreational running to competitive ultra running after college.

She emphasizes the importance of nutrition and eating enough during races.

Ashley enjoys the community aspect of ultra running and the friendships formed.

Her first 50K was a challenging but rewarding experience, leading to her interest in longer distances.

She has a strong focus on mental preparation and self-discovery through running.

Ashley believes in the importance of setting personal goals and pushing limits.

She has learned to embrace the challenges and unpredictability of ultra races.

Her husband plays a crucial role in her support system during races.

Ashley finds joy in the beauty of nature while running and values the real experiences over social media.

She is excited about future races and the potential for personal growth in her running journey.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we are joined by a true legend of the ultra world: Maggie Guterl. From her humble beginnings in Philly to becoming a Team USA standout and the first woman to win the Big’s Backyard Ultra outright, Maggie’s journey is one of pure grit and constant evolution.

Maggie takes us back to her first 24-hour race where she battled extreme nausea to hit 97 miles, her legendary experiences at Western States, and her deep dive into the world of Laz Lake at the Barkley Fall Classic and the full Barkley Marathons. She opens up about the "superpower" of community, recovering from major Achilles surgery, and the tactical aggression needed to stay in the Top 10 in today’s ultra scene.

Whether you're curious about her hydration struggles (losing 14lbs of water weight!) or her "singular goals" during world championships, this episode is a masterclass in the mindset of a champion.

Coaching Announcement! 🏃‍♀️💨

Maggie is officially taking on new athletes! If you want a champion’s perspective in your corner to help you refine your training and race strategy, reach out to her at:maggie@wildpeakcollective.com

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This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we sit down with Brian Abadia, the founder of Fooster. Brian’s journey is a powerful look at how a major setback—a debilitating back injury—can actually be the catalyst for a total life transformation and a thriving business.

Brian shares how he moved from the high-impact world of CrossFit into running as a way to regain his mobility and mental clarity. Along the way, he realized that the nutrition world for endurance athletes was cluttered, confusing, and often lacking a personal touch. That realization led to the birth of Fooster, a nutrition marketplace designed to take the guesswork out of fueling so you can focus on the miles.

We dive into the "why" behind Fooster, Brian’s philosophy that running is the ultimate life teacher, and the unique way he curates his shop—by personally testing every gel, bar, and "rocket fuel" before it ever hits the site.

The OG trio is finally back together! This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, David, Matt, and Mike reunite for a special Christmas run to close out the year and look ahead to an massive 2026.

We’re revealing our 2026 Bucket List Races, including big goals for the Cruel Jewel 50 and the No Business Hundo. We also get technical on what it really takes to train for the Mid-State Mile, specifically how to dial in the elevation training necessary to survive those climbs.

The guys also give their unfiltered first impressions of the new Hyperlite nutrition products, talk about the upcoming Smoky Mountain 24-hour Challenge, and share some laughs about the "gastronomic gauntlet" that is the Taco Bell 50K. Most importantly, we take a moment to reflect on the growth of this community and share our gratitude for every one of you who joined us on the trails this year.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, David and Matt are dropping some massive announcements that will shape the next two years of trail running in the Southeast!

We are officially announcing a heavy-hitting collaboration with Yeti Trail Runners for a brand-new race in Sevierville, and giving you the lowdown on the legendary (and slightly chaotic) Taco Bell 50K—a free event that proves ultra running doesn't always have to be serious to be a challenge.

We look ahead to why 2026 is going to be the biggest year yet for East Coast Adventures (ECA). Plus, we’re talking team dynamics, the nutrition strategies fueling our current training blocks, and a heartfelt thank you to you—our listeners—for the incredible growth we’ve seen this year.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we’re joined by Kayla Fitzgerald, the force behind Palmetto Ultras, whose journey from "hating running" to directing unique endurance events is a masterclass in mental strength and community building.

Kayla gets real about how running started as a rare moment of personal peace amidst parenting responsibilities and quickly evolved into a spontaneous dive into the world of ultras. We discuss her transition into race directing, where she stepped up to keep her local ultra scene alive, even when faced with "sink-or-swim" challenges like unexpected flooding in the Francis Marion trails.

From the mental grit required for the Last Man Standing format to her passion for creating the most inclusive, welcoming environment possible, Kayla’s story is all about the joy of nature and the power of the running community. Plus, we talk about why aid station snacks might just be the most important part of the race!

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to sit down with John Calabrese, an ultra runner whose journey proves that sometimes, the hardest parts of life lead you straight to the starting line!

John opens up about how personal struggles, including a divorce, fueled his passion and led him from the road to the trail. We dive deep into the mental challenges of ultra running, sharing hilarious anecdotes about the hallucinations that come with extreme fatigue (seriously, what did he see?!).

But John's story is bigger than miles and mirages. He shares his incredible commitment to Ainsley's Angels, running alongside people with disabilities and finding profound joy in supporting others. John's journey highlights the power of community, resilience, and finding pure joy in the run.

Get ready for an honest, funny, and deeply inspiring conversation that shows how running can truly be the best therapy.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to welcome the incredible Ashlie! Her story is proof that hard work, meticulous planning, and a little bit of community magic can lead to extraordinary achievements.

Ashlie takes us behind the scenes of her monumental achievement: setting the Pinhoti FKT! We dive into the year-long logistics, the crucial nutrition adjustments, and how she learned to "burn the boats" for total commitment. She shares the raw, honest truth about the challenges faced during the FKT and the sheer relief and celebration at the finish.

But what truly fueled her? Ashlie opens up about the "village" that made it possible—the unwavering family support and the experienced pacers who carried her through. From tackling the Mohican 100 Miler to the emotional highs and lows of the Pinhoti, this conversation is a powerful reminder that perseverance pays off, and that the best part of ultra running is the people you share it with.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're joining forces with the dynamic Mariah Fields, a remarkable ultra runner who now leads the pack as Race Director for Coyote Ugly Racing!

Mariah takes us on her incredible journey, starting from battling exercise-induced asthma in middle school to finding her strength on the ultra trails after having children. She opens up about the tough lessons learned, including the grueling heat of Cruel Jewel, and the powerful mental health benefits that running provides.

We dive deep into the world of Coyote Ugly Racing—how the name reflects the love for the trail's beautiful hardships—and why creating an inclusive, supportive community is the heart of every event. Mariah’s story is a testament to resilience, the bond between women runners, and the joy of finding your purpose (and your tribe!) in the dirt.

Get ready for an inspiring conversation that celebrates transformation, perseverance, and the ultimate camaraderie of the ultra life.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Mariah Fields and Her Journey

03:24 Early Running Experiences and High School Athletics

06:26 Returning to Running After a Break

09:28 First Races and the Tortoise and the Hare Concept

12:22 Transitioning to Ultra Running

15:39 Lessons Learned from Ultras

18:32 Challenges Faced in the Cruel Jewel 50-Miler

21:24 The Importance of Listening to Your Body

24:30 Experiences on the Duncan Ridge Trail

27:26 The Struggles of Chafing and DNF Experiences

33:46 Lessons Learned from Chafing and Running

38:01 Heat Exhaustion and Its Impact on Performance

43:58 The Journey of Race Directing

49:22 The Birth of Coyote Ugly Racing

59:08 Challenges and Triumphs in Race Directing

01:09:09 Exploring Fire Tower and Feral Mountain Races

01:13:10 The Challenge of the 100K Race

01:20:11 The Importance of Inclusivity in Ultra Running

01:21:15 Finding Peace Through Running

01:24:55 The Challenges of Race Directing

01:31:03 Favorite Trails and Community Connections

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're sitting down with an emerging ultra phenom, Hans Troyer! His journey is a testament to raw talent, resilience, and the power of setting audacious goals.

Hans takes us from his days dreaming of football and basketball to finding his true calling on the trails. He gets real about the lessons learned the hard way—like the early struggles with fueling and hydration—and the remarkable comeback after a serious injury that only fueled his fire.

We dive into his incredible 2025 season, where he racked up multiple top finishes in prestigious races, including an impressive 8th place finish at Western States 100 (a major accomplishment for a 100-mile debut!) and earning a Golden Ticket earlier in the year! He shares his innovative nutrition strategies, his focus on intrinsic motivation, and how he's navigating the pressures of being in the ultra spotlight.

Hans's story is a powerful reminder that the best version of yourself is always possible, and that success in ultra running comes down to continuous learning and the sustainability of your passion.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Hans Troyer

01:10 Hans's Early Running Journey

06:47 Transition to Ultra Running

10:22 Fueling Challenges and Learning

14:54 The Impact of Rabdo and Recovery

19:54 Grindstone Experience and Lessons Learned

24:15 Success at Tussey Mountain Back 50 Mile

29:27 The Challenges of Endurance Racing

29:58 Overcoming Setbacks and Building Confidence

32:49 A Year of Dominance in Racing

36:03 Reflections on Race Performances

38:52 The Reality of Racing Under Pressure

40:47 The Importance of Community in Racing

43:27 Future Goals and Upcoming Races

46:15 Strategies for Recovery and Longevity

56:16 The Hardest Race Experience

01:00:42 A Life-Changing Hospital Experience

01:03:48 The Drive to Run: Passion and Purpose

01:07:47 Aiming for Greatness in Ultra Racing

01:09:54 Handling the Spotlight and Pressure

01:13:06 Chasing vs. Being Chased in Races

01:14:12 Experiences at Blue Ridge Ultra

01:15:00 Innovative Hydration: The Super Bottle

01:18:16 Looking Ahead: Future Races and Goals

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, your hosts David and Matt are pulling back the curtain on the tough lessons and big wins from their latest ultra adventures!

We're diving straight into the deep end, starting with the Yeti 100, where David faced down some serious health issues and learned, once again, that ultra running is less about the legs and more about the fight. Then, Matt brings the good news, sharing his successful strategy and grit from the Blue Ridge Ultra!

This episode is packed with real-world takeaways on mastering the fundamentals: the absolute necessity of nailing your nutrition and hydration strategies (lessons learned the hard way!). We’re also talking about the vital role community support plays in fueling the growth of East Coast Adventures.

Plus, get ready for a look ahead at our future race plans, including Firewater, and a sneak peek at innovative ideas—like live streaming future events—and what masterclasses we should tackle next with you, our amazing listeners!

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to have a familiar voice and a cornerstone of our community: Mike Taylor, co-founder of East Coast Adventures!

Mike takes us through his deeply personal and inspiring journey, from his early days in sports to the unexpected moment he dove headfirst into marathons. He opens up about how running became a therapeutic outlet during challenging times, proving that the trails can truly heal.

We dive into the founding story of East Coast Adventures—how a shared passion between Mike and David grew into a force for supporting local runners. Mike gets real about his recent races, including the brutal No Business run, where he faced intense pain, moments of doubt, and the true test of resilience.

This episode is a powerful celebration of perseverance, community, and the emotional strength it takes to push through adversity. Mike's story is a profound reminder that every challenge is an opportunity for personal growth, and that the finish line is always within reach when you have the heart to keep going.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up with Richard Abernathy, an avid ultra runner and the visionary Race Director behind Dirty Wolf Racing!

Richard takes us on his incredible journey, which started with a simple competition and evolved into a deep passion for the trails. We dive into the wild world of race directing, covering unique events like the challenging Beast of the East and the brutal Hellhole 100K, where the flat terrain somehow makes it even tougher!

But this episode is all about the power of story. Richard shares why storytelling is so crucial to the ultra running experience and how the scenic beauty of the trails fuels his passion. We also get the scoop on his epic personal challenge: running 12 ultras in 12 months!

From the joy of helping others reach their goals to the importance of creativity in race directing, Richard’s story is a testament to community, grit, and the belief that every mile is an adventure waiting to be shared.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to sit down with Lauren, a remarkable ultra runner whose story is a masterclass in resilience and grit.

Lauren shares her incredible journey from battling a broken ankle to achieving the ultimate dream: qualifying for Team USA! We dive deep into her training philosophy, her harrowing experience in the final miles of a race, and the mental fortitude it takes to push through extreme fatigue and confusion.

But it's not all about the suffering. Lauren opens up about the importance of effort-based pacing, the power of real food during long races, and the invaluable role of a strong support system. We also explore the unique challenges and camaraderie found in backyard ultras.

This episode is a powerful reminder that every setback is a setup for a comeback, and that with a little bit of grit and a lot of heart, anything is possible.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up with the remarkable April Bailey, a former basketball player who found her true calling on the trails and went on to become the first-place female and overall winner of the 2025 Yeti 100!

April shares her powerful and deeply personal journey, opening up about how running became a source of healing after personal loss. She takes us through her transition from the court to the trails, detailing the challenges and triumphs of her various races, and what it took to achieve her remarkable 15-hour and 42-minute finish at the Yeti 100.

We dive deep into her training philosophy, her crucial nutrition strategies, and the unwavering community support that fuels her every stride. April’s story is a testament to resilience, the kindness that defines the Yeti family, and the incredible, transformative power of running to not only heal but also propel you to new heights.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're diving into a world of grit, genius, and a little bit of madness with Jared Beasley, a runner and writer who knows a thing or two about chasing demons on the trails.

Jared takes us on his incredible journey from a troubled past to finding his purpose through running and writing. He pulls back the curtain on the enigma himself, Laz, the legendary race director, and shares what it's truly like to enter his world—a world Jared describes as a modern-day Willy Wonka factory that tests the very character of those who dare to enter.

We talk about the intense experience of the Backyard Ultra, the raw power of willpower, and the profound lessons learned from Laz's unique philosophy. It's a powerful conversation about personal growth, the vital role of community, and the art of turning pain into purpose.

Jared's story is a testament to the fact that running can be a path to redemption, and that sometimes, the most challenging races are the ones that save us.

Two links to purchase "The Endurance Artist" below:

Simon & Schuster: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Endurance-Artist/Jared-Beasley/9798990795822

Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Endurance-Artist-Lazarus-Lake-Barkley/dp/B0DV4NBP4S

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up with the incredible Katti Jackson, an ultra runner whose journey is a masterclass in resilience and grit. She's coming off an epic run where she won and set the course record at The Cherokee 70K!

Katti's story is proof that you don't need years on the trails to make a name for yourself. She takes us on her wild ride from a DNF in her first 50K to winning the legendary Grindstone 100 and tackling the brutal weather of UTMB.

We dive deep into the mental and emotional side of racing, including how she navigated grief on the trail and learned to find joy in the process, not just the competition. Katti shares her secrets to overcoming nutrition issues, battling wild weather, and how the unwavering support of the ultra running community fuels her spirit.

This is an honest, powerful conversation about the transformative power of trail running and the importance of chasing ambitious goals, no matter how quickly you get there.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up with the remarkable Sarah Baker, an ultra runner whose journey on the Appalachian Trail is a powerful testament to resilience, self-discovery, and the unwavering belief in oneself.

Sarah shares her raw and honest story, revealing the physical and emotional challenges she faced during her attempts to set a Fastest Known Time (FKT). We talk about the brutal realities of the trail—from battling norovirus and trench foot to the mental barriers that can feel heavier than any pack.

But this isn't a story of defeat; it's a story of transformation. Sarah opens up about the crucial lessons she learned, the pivotal decision to go self-supported, and how the guidance of her coach prepared her for a third attempt. She reflects on the deeper meaning she found on the trail, embracing the hunger and finding beauty in the struggle. Her story proves that true strength isn't about the final time, but the courage to keep going, even when you're crying on a rock.

Get ready for an inspiring conversation about pushing limits, finding your "why," and how facing adversity can lead to the most profound personal growth.

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to sit down with a true legend in the ultra running community, Jason Green from the Yeti Trail Runners!

Jason takes us on a deep dive into the heart of the sport, from his own personal journey into ultra running to the wild evolution of the Yeti 100 race. He gets real about the challenges of race directing and the immense joy of creating a welcoming and inclusive space where every runner, no matter their pace, feels like a champion.

We're talking about the crucial role of mentorship in keeping new runners in the sport, the authenticity that builds trust on the trails, and the lessons learned from those tough races that make us stronger. Jason's story is a powerful reminder that our sport is about so much more than just miles; it’s about the shared experiences, random acts of kindness, and the laughter that defines our incredible community.

Get ready for an honest, insightful, and inspiring conversation that embodies the very best of ultra running.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Yeti Trail Runners and Jason Green

01:26 Jason's Journey into Ultra Running

06:11 The Importance of Mentorship in Ultra Running

11:32 Creating a Unique Race Experience

19:02 Building a Community in Ultra Running

21:56 Embracing Failure and Learning in Ultra Running

28:22 Supporting Ultra Runners Through Tough Times

31:32 The Importance of Community in Ultra Running

38:24 Mentorship and Kindness in the Running Community

41:16 The Passion Behind Ultra Running

48:36 The Evolution of Yeti Races and Community Engagement

51:16 Mentorship and Community in Ultra Running

53:41 The Spirit of Early Races

56:16 Lessons from Failure and Growth

59:08 The Hardest Races and Personal Growth

01:02:48 Memorable Race Experiences and Humor

01:12:05 Pride in Accomplishments and Longevity in Racing

01:13:54 The Beauty of Repeated Races

01:16:37 Community and Connection in Ultra Running

01:20:09 The Soul of Running

01:22:17 Favorite Trail Events and Race Directing

01:23:55 The Challenge of the Yeti 100

01:28:11 Excitement for Dark Anchor's Move

01:31:05 Collaborations and Future Events

He's back! This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to sit down once again with the one and only ultra runner, Andy Glaze. And let me tell you, he’s been busy!

Andy takes us on a wild ride through his latest adventures, from the mind-bending Cocoa Monster to the epic Arizona Monster 300. He gets real about the challenges of solo racing, the crucial art of recovery, and the logistical chaos of preparing for these massive events. We dive deep into his unforgettable experience at Leadville, tackling the brutal reality of altitude sickness and the incredible atmosphere of its aid stations.

But this episode is about so much more than just miles. Andy opens up about the emotional journey of writing his upcoming book, sharing how storytelling connects us and why mental preparation is just as important as physical training. We also talk about the rise of young athletes in the sport and how involving family makes every finish line even more meaningful.

This is an honest, powerful conversation about balancing a demanding job with an even more demanding passion, proving that with grit, grace, and a whole lot of heart, anything is possible

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Andy Glaze and His Races

02:46 The Cocoa Monster: Concept and Execution

05:27 Challenges of the Arizona Monster 300

08:10 Solo Racing: The Mental and Physical Struggles

11:22 Planning and Preparation for Ultra Races

13:56 The Experience of First-Year Races

16:56 Post-Race Recovery and Foot Care

19:33 The Impact of Weather on Racing

22:26 Cocadona: The Final Challenge

25:00 The Evolution of Cocadona and Its Challenges

30:02 Navigating Change in Sedona

31:41 The Impact of Nature on Racing Regulations

32:38 Experiencing Cocodona 250

33:24 Family Adventures and Running

38:20 Inspiring the Next Generation of Runners

40:07 The Challenge of Leadville

46:42 The Journey of Writing a Book

55:38 The Anticipation of Andy's Book Release

57:38 The Importance of Physical Fitness in Firefighting

59:46 Balancing Work and Running

01:04:21 Injury Prevention and Running Longevity

01:07:01 Mental Strategies for Tackling Big Races

01:09:17 Exploring the Southeast and Overcoming Fears

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up with the remarkable Audrey Carter, an accomplished ultra runner from the East Coast Adventures team whose story is all about finding her fire on the trails. She's coming off two incredible podium finishes at The Cherokee Ultra 70K and Fort Frenzy Ultra Festival 24 Hours!

Audrey takes us on a journey from her early days as a soccer player to discovering the world of ultra running during the pandemic. She opens up about the mental and physical hurdles she's overcome, the vital role of strength training, and the incredible power of the running community here in Tennessee that's fueled her every step.

This episode is packed with inspiration as Audrey shares insights into her record-breaking performances and the personal growth that has come from pushing her limits. It's a powerful conversation about self-belief, accountability, and the joy of embracing every challenge. Audrey’s story proves that you don't have to be a professional to have a champion's mindset—all you need is a little grit and a lot of heart.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Audrey Carter and Her Running Journey

01:14 Audrey's Athletic Background and Transition to Running

03:12 The Shift to Ultra Running During COVID

04:32 First Experiences with Trail Racing

06:05 Audrey's Progression in Ultra Distances

10:07 Dirt Circuit and Team Dynamics

13:54 Achievements in Recent Races

17:43 Record-Breaking Performances

19:29 Training Strategies and Strength Training

23:12 The Impact of Motherhood on Running

28:22 Family Support and Race Experiences

31:30 Challenges Faced in Racing

32:09 Facing Fears: The Challenge of Trail Running

35:58 The Race Experience: Overcoming Obstacles

39:32 Pushing Through Pain: Mental Strategies in Racing

45:56 The Finish Line: Validation and Reflection

53:31 The Journey of a Runner: Growth and Identity

01:01:24 The Transformative Power of Running

01:03:23 Inspiration and Family Influence in Running

01:04:26 Solo Racing vs. Team Support

01:06:41 Nutrition and Daily Routines for Runners

01:10:35 Mental Strategies for Overcoming Challenges

01:12:58 Transitioning from Road to Trail Running

01:17:53 Preparing for Upcoming Races and Strategies

01:22:58 Accountability and Personal Growth in Running

This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to sit down with the incredible Crystal Wheatley, "Queen of the South," and ultrarunner whose journey is a powerful story of resilience, redemption, and the transformative power of running.

Crystal shares her path from being a competitive 5K runner in high school to facing personal challenges that led her to sobriety. She opens up about how running became her lifeline and her passion, propelling her into the world of ultra marathons.

We dive deep into her experiences in races, including her unforgettable partnership during the Heart of the South Road Race, and the mental and physical hurdles she's overcome. Crystal's journey is a testament to the fact that running isn't just about miles; it's about the life lessons learned, the friendships forged, and the incredible joy found in every step.

Her story will inspire you to face your own challenges head-on and find happiness in the journey, no matter what it takes.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Crystal Wheatley

01:48 Crystal's Journey into Running

07:47 Overcoming Addiction and Rediscovering Running

10:03 The Impact of Sobriety on Performance

13:09 First Experiences with Ultra Running

20:13 Recent Races and Achievements

26:31 The Journey Begins: Overcoming Challenges

30:17 Memorable Moments: Waffle House Adventures

33:52 The Race Experience: Trials and Triumphs

38:11 Facing the Storm: A Test of Resilience

42:07 Pushing Through: Mental and Physical Struggles

45:59 Reflections on Accomplishment: The Finish Line

49:51 Looking Ahead: Future Races and Goals

50:10 The Elsa Chicken Plucker Event

52:03 Heart of the South Road Race Overview

53:07 Preparing for the Race: Mindset and Strategy

55:45 Running with Ken: A Unique Partnership

01:00:09 Challenges and Lessons Learned During the Race

01:04:40 The Importance of Weight Management in Ultra Running

01:09:13 Navigating Water Supply Challenges

01:11:59 The Final Stretch: Climbing to Victory

01:18:00 The Journey of Racing and Friendship

01:20:39 Transformation Through Running

01:22:36 Reflections on Sobriety and Running

01:26:16 The Impact of Community and Support

01:28:51 Choosing the Right Races

01:32:09 Favorite Races and Their Significance

01:34:09 Marathon Achievements and Goals

01:35:17 Local Fame and Community Engagement

01:35:47 Preparing for Upcoming Challenges

In this conversation, Addison Hendricks shares his journey as an ultra runner, detailing his early beginnings in running, the challenges he faces with nutrition and recovery, and the mental toughness required for endurance sports. He reflects on memorable race experiences, the lessons learned from his journey, and his aspirations for the future. Addison's story is one of perseverance, growth, and the impact of community support in the world of ultra running. In this engaging conversation, ultra runner Addison Hendricks shares his experiences and insights from various races, including the challenges of recovery, the lessons learned from his first race, and the humorous moments that come with the territory. He discusses the importance of community support, the unique challenges of races like the Barkley Fall Classic and Cowboy 200, and reflects on a disqualification incident that taught him valuable lessons. The conversation highlights the resilience and determination required in ultra running, as well as the camaraderie among runners.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Addison Hendricks

00:16 The Disqualification Incident: A Lesson Learned

58:34 The Struggles of Quitting a Race

01:01:32 Experiences at Mamba 100

01:03:14 Exploring Various Races

01:03:39 The Challenge of HOTS and Vol State

01:05:07 Heart of the South 2024: A Hot Challenge

01:21:28 Winning HOTS and Vol State: A Rare Achievement

01:30:49 Journey to the Top: A Race Recap

01:33:06 Nutrition and Recovery: The Key to Endurance

01:35:53 The Thrill of Victory: King of the Road Experience

01:38:17 Building Character Through Endurance Running

01:41:09 Mental Challenges: The Struggles of Recovery

01:44:01 Facing the Competition: Future Races Ahead

01:46:29 Reflections on the Journey: Lessons Learned