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In the last episode, Pastor Mo made the case that church still matters. This week the harder question: if you're actually considering going back, how do you walk into a room that might hurt you again? Pastor Mo's test is simple and personal. Would you put your children in that room? If the answer is no, trust that instinct. He also names what you can't fake alone at home, and why the person willing to correct you might be the one you need most.

Millions stopped going to church and their lives didn't collapse. Some seem happier. So Pastor Mo sits down with the question his own congregation might not want him to answer: is church still relevant, or is it an institution that outlived its purpose? He concedes more than you'd expect.

Most people don’t leave church in a dramatic exit. They drift, or they were never in.

“Deepend with Moyin Ojo” is for both set of people.

Honest questions about faith, doubt, and whether any of this still matters, put to a Berlin resident pastor who’d rather answer the hard one than dodge it.

New episodes every Wednesday.