Welcome to the new podcast Debra and Peter are doing a Podcast! Our hosts, Debra Allcock Tyler (CEO, DSC) and Peter Wanless (CEO, NSPCC) have a lot in common. They’re both charity CEOs, they share their birthday (same day, month and year, but not related!) and now, they are teaming up for a weekly podcast! Tune in as they chat about different topics, from their experiences as charity sector leaders, to politics, cricket and more! In this first episode, the pair talk about what it feels like to turn 60, the importance of collaborative campaigning and taking time out with the people you serve, and gesture politics. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe:    / @dsconline   More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn:   / debra-allcock-tyler-8013214   Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn:   / sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372   Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this episode of 'Debra and Peter are doing a Podcast' the pair chat about the similarities between running a cricket team and running a charity, the importance of productive feedback, accepting gifts as a charity leader and gender-based clothing. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Following on last week's conversation, Debra and Peter talk about the problems with gender-based clothing that reinforces an unhealthy difference between men and women, the challenges in local news for charities, the power of AI, and the downfall of Twitter (X). Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

On this week's episode, Debra and Peter talk about disconnecting from work during holidays and resisting the temptation to check work emails, the art of public speaking, and the ethical implications of accepting donations from any individual.

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In this week's episode, Debra and Peter find themselves momentarily agreeing with each other! They chat about the Governments relationship with the charity sector, the importance of disrupting power dynamics, the positives and negatives of direct action and much more. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this week's episode, Debra and Peter talk about the first Labour Budget in nearly 15 years and what will be the impact on different sectors, and their first impressions about the results of the US Elections. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this episode, Peter talks about the annual Blackpool Better Start conference that he chaired last week, and Debra shares the experience of DSC transitioning from working Monday to Friday to a 4-day workweek (or a 3-day weekend, as we like to call it at DSC). Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this week's episode, Debra and Peter discuss the education system and the report published by ACEVO on the pay gap of charity CEOs. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this episode, Debra and Peter chat about how charities have been collaborating more since COVID-19, and charity ads and the impact of recent campaigns on the media. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Episode 10! Debra and Peter share their opinions on school performance tables (league tables) and remote working. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this Christmas special episode, Debra and Peter share their thoughts on the Chancellor's orders for ministers to submit spending plans to private sector experts without including charity sector experts, infrastructure charities, and their Christmas plans. This will be the last episode of the year! Debra and Peter will be back with a new episode on January 9th. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

The first episode of the year features our hosts talking about The Traitors, Peter shares his opinion with Debra about the latest child protection enquiry, and they chat about various topics from cricket, to Elon Musk or raw-dogging flights. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

This week's episode Debra and Peter talks about fake plants, segueing into fake news and the latest political news about Donald Trump and his executive order on gender identity. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

With just a few days left until the 50th anniversary of her leadership of the Conservative Party, and having been mentioned recently by various politicians in their speeches, today Debra and Peter take a trip down memory lane to talk about Mrs. Thatcher. They also share some of their personal experiences meeting other Prime Ministers and their experiences of when they voted for the first time in a General Election. And also give their opinions on the Royal Albert Hall Bill. If you want to better understand politics, this is the book Debra recommends: How Westminster Works . . . and Why It Doesn't - https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Westminster-Works-Why-Doesnt/dp/139960273X Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this episode, Debra and Peter dive into the recent controversial comments made by the Health Secretary, Wes Streeting, that have left many in the voluntary sector feeling like Debra: livid and confused. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode! YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

How much is your time worth? Should broadband be a public utility? Are train drivers paid too much or too little? Debra and Peter answer these questions in today's episode and share their top tips for being a good trustee. You won't want to miss it!Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Are your pets running your life? Debra and Peter definitely are! But that’s not all they are chatting about this week. They are also talking about the Russia-US meeting regarding Ukraine, and the similarities we see in the charity sector when trustees make decisions without their beneficiaries’ opinions, and why diversity in leadership matters more than ever. Plus, a shoutout to Simon Lancaster and his insightful book, ‘You Are Not Human.’Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

The 'twins' are back with disasters and triumphs they've experienced this week. Peter gives a review of the book he is reading: It's a Battle on the Board (written by Debra 😁) and they give their opinion on the report written by More in Common about Progressive Activists. Click here to find out more about It's a Battle on the Board: https://www.dsc.org.uk/publication/its-a-battle-on-the-board/ You can find the More in Common report about Progressive Activists here: https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/research/progressive-activists/ Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this week's episode, Debra and Peter discuss Zelensky's meeting with Trump and the similarities sometimes found in the charity sector when dealing with difficult people. They also talk about making tough decisions, as a result of the increased defence budget in the UK, which would also mean a reduction in overseas aid funding. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Episode number 20! And Debra and Peter talk about dress codes, the unwritten rules about men clothing, the privilege of being at the top of your career to dress more freely, having to dress up children for different occasions at school, like for World Book Day (which was last week), and speaking of books...Peter and Debra share some of their favourite books, what they are reading now, some books that had a big impact on their lives and the type of books they don't usually read! And next week...we talk about horses! Books recommended:Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow - Daniel Kahneman - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0141033576 Hellhound on his Trail - Hampton Sides - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hellhound-his-Trail-Stalking-International/dp/0718192060Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

As we mentioned last week, in this episode Debra and Peter talk about horses (horse racing to be more specific), their experiences and opinions about it. They also talk about the financial year that many charities now have at the end of March, the National Insurance changes and balancing the books, followed by different statistics and how narratives can change the concept we have about some data. Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this new episode, Debra and Peter discuss the risks charities face when using messaging apps like WhatsApp to send confidential information (as has happened to the U.S. government with the leaked messages detailing plans for a military operation against the Houthis in Yemen).Debra shares a personal story involving her dog, some drinks, and a text sent to a government official!And Peter also shares about his new role as a Consultant for Nord Anglia Education.Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

In this week's episode, Peter dresses for the occasion, with a tie to celebrate the 150th anniversary of his cricket club, Somerset, of which he is president.

And speaking of presidents, Debra and Peter dive into a chat about Sentebale, giving their opinion on the importance of good governance and how patrons, CEOs, and trustees should work together.

Peter ends up recommending Debra's book 'It's a Battle on the Board' once again, and Debra recommends 'The Governance App - a free tool for trustees to review and improve their governance.

www.thegovernanceapp.org.uk

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In today's episode, Debra and Peter discuss about this topic, which came up in a meeting they both attended in person. In connection with OXFAM's announcement about jobs at risk to save £10m, our presenters talk about the message left by the article when mentioning the 'efficiency of charities'. And on a more positive note, they both commented on the news about The Henry Smith Charity giving its grant holders a one-off payment later this year to cover the remainder of their current grant!And to celebrate next week's episode 25, we are asking our listeners to send us questions for Debra and Peter as the next episode will be a Q&A with them!Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Special episode number 25 where Debra and Peter answer the questions you've sent us during the week! What's one of your career highlights? Favourite campaign you've been involved in? Best advice would you give to someone starting a career in the charity sector?...and more! Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ Twitter: https://x.com/DebAllcockTyler More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Twitter: https://x.com/peterwanless Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

After a week's break for Easter to recharge our batteries (unlike Peter's car), we are back with a new episode, where Debra and Peter discuss health and the importance of sharing information (especially between Trustees, Chairs, and Executives) as well as the value of asking challenging questions.

As the cricket season progresses and Peter's team is unfortunately underperforming, Peter asks Debra how to approach these leadership situations and how to find the balance between challenge and support and Debra provides a key recommendation: LEARN, ADAPT, and EVOLVE.

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Tune in to Episode 27 of 'Debra and Peter are doing a Podcast' for an insightful discussion on leadership, change management, and navigating complex issues in the charity sector. Debra and Peter explore the power of positive framing, and DSC's values of Excellence and Empathy. They also tackle the complexities of navigating controversial issues, including whether organizations should publicly share their opinions. Plus, Peter shares an inspiring motto to live by: Be brave, be kind, and be the best version of yourself.Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Debra and Peter have an interesting debate about immigration, prompted by Keir Starmer's recent speech on immigration in the UK and his comment: 'The UK risks becoming an island of strangers without strong rules on immigration and integration.'They also discuss Artificial Intelligence, commenting on the recent Neighbourly report that states that 80% of small charities are not using AI.The Charity AI Conference - https://www.dsc.org.uk/event/the-charity-ai-conference-setting-yourself-up-for-success/ 5 Rights Foundation: Children & AI Design Code - https://5rightsfoundation.com/children-and-ai-code-of-conduct/ Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/ Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

This week's episode brings us a cracking mix of topics:

Ever forgotten your passport before an international flight, or are you the one who turns up four hours early?

Debra and Peter chat about the latest Sentencing Review and the absolutely vital role of criminal charities within it. They also share their views on the current political landscape, with the latest local elections and the rising prominence of Reform UK.

And discuss the news about an asylum seeker bringing his dog to the UK by small boat, and how some media have sensationalised the story negatively.

Plus, they delve into an initiative Debra was working on to make rented homes more pet-friendly (even if it's an indoor donkey!).

All this and more, in Episode 29 of Debra and Peter are Doing a Podcast!

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Episode 30! That’s over 15 hours of Debra and Peter unpacking complex ideas and challenging assumptions!This week, Debra and Peter dive into some of the most complex issues in the charity sector. First up: political activity. Why are charities legally restricted from engaging in political campaigning, while businesses are free to openly support parties and candidates? They talk about the implications of this regulatory double standard and ask whether it's time for a serious rethink.Then, the spotlight turns to think tanks. Debra and Peter discuss the controversy surrounding the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) and question what qualifies an organisation to claim charitable status. From opaque funding sources to ideological influence, they explore what real transparency should look like—and whether certain groups may be stretching the definition of 'education' just a bit too far.Are these just isolated cases, or signs of deeper cracks in the sector’s regulatory foundation? Tune in for a lively, thoughtful discussion—and don’t forget to join the debate. Comment below or email us with your thoughts!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blázquez

Episode 31! Debra and Peter are back, tackling some hefty themes with their usual wit and wisdom.Peter kicks off with a fascinating dive into "The Art of Delivery", a new book exploring the real-world messiness of turning strategy into impact. From Prime Ministerial promises to classroom outcomes, and even drones in Ukraine, the duo reflect on what it really takes to get things done.That messiness also shows up in charity work, whether it’s launching a governance app or campaigning for change. They celebrate the power of persistence and share behind-the-scenes stories that prove successful delivery is as much about culture as it is about planning.Then it’s onto Volunteers Week. What do volunteers really need? How do you keep them motivated, and when does their goodwill become hard to manage? Expect honest takes and plenty of praise for the unsung heroes of the sector.Finally, they dig into the government’s latest Dormant Assets announcement. Good news for funding if it gets distributed wisely. Will Peter survive the democracy of cricket? The vote is in! Plus: memories of pocket money, cheques and the disappearing art of going to the bank.Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!The Art of Delivery: https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/the-art-of-delivery The Governance App: https://thegovernanceapp.org.uk/YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

Debra recounts her journey (literally and metaphorically) to Leeds, where she gave a keynote to Yorkshire Funders. She dives into why funders must speak up more often, not to demand money but to influence change. Peter reflects on his own time at the Lottery and reinforces how insights from grantmakers can shape public policy in ways that quietly transform lives. The conversation then unpacks the obsession with short-term impact. What if some of the most meaningful change takes decades to surface? From the legacy of Sure Start to the language of transformational vs transactional funding, it’s a rich discussion that challenges the status quo. They also talk about leadership and culture: how big vs small organisations handle remote work, staff connection, and that classic "who looks taller in real life" moment. From all-staff quizzes to serious reflections on hybrid working, it’s thoughtful and funny in equal measure. Plus: Peter is moving house (with four cats) and Debra still isn’t over being mistaken for a lace-tablecloth enthusiast. Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

This week Debra and Peter touch upon looking after your pets in a heatwave as well as hearing from beloved family members via old cassette tapes. They also discuss leadership challenges in-depth, including the power of the spoken word, how the words we use make such a powerful difference, government “U-turns” and alien visitors. They also discuss organisational consultations, engaging with staff and listening to them. And they talk about agreement vs alignment in terms of relationships with the Board.Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: Justin Martin

Episode 34! Debra and Peter take on two huge questions: why are a million UK children still living in destitution, and what can today’s charities learn from Live Aid’s 40‑year legacy?First, they unpack the latest numbers on child poverty and destitution, asking whether family‑hub plans and the long‑debated two‑child cap are really tackling the root causes, or just papering over widening cracks.Then it’s off to Wembley (in spirit) as the hosts reminisce about Live Aid’s goose‑bump moment and challenge the sector to balance headline‑grabbing fundraisers with the hard graft of systemic change. From starfish stories to small‑grants lifelines, they debate whether “band‑aids” still matter.All this, plus period‑poverty campaigns, trustee longevity at Band Aid, and Peter’s plot to squeeze in a day at the Test match.Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

❤️ This episode is dedicated to Jenny (2018 to 2025), Peter's beloved tabby. She will be deeply missed.Episode 35 is all about interviews – from both sides of the table.First up: preparing as a candidate. Debra shares straight-talking tips on researching the organisation, framing savvy questions and owning your nerves so they work for you instead of against you.Then: designing the interview itself. Peter explains why competence-based panels, timed tasks and values-based questions can reveal more than clever hypotheticals, and how to make applicants feel welcome while still stretching them.Finally: learning from the near-misses. Together they reflect on interviews that didn’t go to plan, confidence gaps that keep great people from applying and why the jobs you don’t land can still shape a brilliant career.What’s the best interview advice you’ve ever been given? Comment below or email us with your thoughts!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blázquez

Episode 36 dives deep into last week’s hush‑hush unveiling of the Government and Civil Society Covenant – complete with a last‑minute venue reveal, ministers packed shoulder‑to‑shoulder in the Science Museum, and a buffet so petite even Debra’s good humour wavered.Debra and Peter unpack the Covenant’s four headline principles, from independence and campaigning rights to data transparency, then tackle the big questions: Will it actually put money where its mouth is? Can small local charities speak truth to power without payback? And what sort of “teeth” would keep future governments from quietly binning the whole thing?Along the way, they swap ideas on fair funding, better contracting and how the new Covenant Council could give every corner of the sector a genuine voice.Have thoughts on the Covenant? Comment below or email us – we’d love to hear your take.YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

Debra and Peter are back, with plums, pears and punchy opinions.Peter shares what it’s like to chair a global board for the first time (hint: annual accounts are involved), while Debra unveils a secret weapon for apple harvesting. But most of this week’s chat tackles the big stuff:Child online safety: With Ofcom’s new Online Safety powers kicking in, Peter reflects on years of advocacy for stronger digital protections. They take on free speech sceptics, tech company excuses, and why we wouldn’t let kids near unsafe toys. So why accept it online?Board governance: From trustee-only sessions to strategic away days, Peter’s debut meeting at Five Rights Foundation prompts an honest exchange about what boards really need to work well.Doom loops vs determination: Debra explains why she compared the Lionesses’ Euro run to charity sector resilience, and why grim media headlines don’t reflect the full story.All that, plus why apple mush is the enemy and how a heavy-duty grabber changed Debra’s life.Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Links and resourcesDebra’s Lionesses piece (DSC blog): https://www.dsc.org.uk/content/what-charities-can-learn-from-the-england-womens-football-team/Five Rights Foundation: child-rights resources – https://5rightsfoundation.com/resources/Ofcom’s Online Safety Act consultation – https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-content/protecting-children-from-harms-online/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

Leadership comes first. When a chair walks into a staff away day, the power in the room shifts. Debra and Peter explore how to be present without taking over. Set expectations clearly, invite staff to shape the work, listen with intent, and keep your own opinions light so the team can do its best work.Then, what you wear and why. Clothes send signals whether we like it or not. From suits and ties to hoodies and T-shirts, they unpack how context shapes choices, how to show respect without losing authenticity, and why women still get judged more harshly. Zelensky at the White House comes up as a useful example of principle meeting pragmatism.Finally, volunteers on the street. Where is the line between helpful community action and risky vigilante patrols? The Bournemouth case prompts a look at safeguarding, accountability and why collaboration with the police beats going it alone.Plus: three cats testing a new cat flap, a Brussels away day with the Five Rights Foundation team, bins and fly tipping, and a nod to Amanda Jade Wellington at the Oval.Tell us how you handle leadership presence at away days, what dress signals work in your context, and where you stand on street patrols. Add your thoughts in the comments.YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

Episode 38 finds Peter settling into life in Somerset after a house move that involved three cats, upside-down beds, and a crash course in rural fruit-picking. But between the rhubarb and the plums, there’s been time for big conversations.Debra’s recent viral LinkedIn post on why leaders should never criticise their predecessors kicks off a deep dive into leadership transitions, respecting the past while building for the future, and the value of framing change positively. The pair share personal experiences, from NSPCC history exercises to 15-year-old work experience gone awry, all showing how fresh eyes and old habits collide.The discussion widens to the hard truths about volunteering: its true costs, why it’s not a free resource, and the tension between financial necessity and community values – illustrated by the Samaritans’ controversial branch closures. And finally, they dissect the Charity Commission’s report on Sentebale, exploring how governance can collapse without clear behaviour codes and conflict resolution rules.Plus, Somerset County Cricket Club turns 150, there’s cider talk, and Debra offers Peter culinary suggestions for his glut of pears.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnline

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Episode 40! Debra and Peter return with a packed conversation that moves from the cricket ground to the boardroom and into the heart of the refugee sector.They reflect on what good trusteeship really means, and why it’s not just down to the chair to keep everyone informed. Boards work best when responsibility is shared, and when every trustee knows they are fully accountable.The discussion then turns to a pressing issue: refugee and migrant charities facing growing hostility. From online abuse to threats at the office door, Debra and Peter explore how organisations can balance the need for transparency with the duty to protect staff and volunteers. It’s a sobering reminder of the climate many charities now operate in, and a call for compassion over hostility.

Debra also highlights this thoughtful LinkedIn post by José Blazquez on the subject: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jose-pablo-blazquez_refugeeswelcome-empathyinaction-charitysector-activity-7366443037574492161-EAiv?utm_source=social_share_send&utm_medium=member_desktop_web&rcm=ACoAAAXFFmEBuE48r931JfDxY9By6LgWGDUJkvUAnd for leaders heading into autumn, there’s practical advice on creating boundaries that actually work. From the “acting-in-absence” policy, to why your diary shouldn’t look like a supermarket barcode, to the now-classic glass vs plastic balls metaphor, it’s about leading well without burning out.Plus: baking, Brussels, and a few friendly grumbles about cricket.Have a thought to share? Comment below or email us with your views!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blazquez

In Episode 41, Debra and Peter start with a surprise escape story featuring Peter’s cat Hetti, but quickly turn to a much bigger theme: trust. From mischievous pets to newly promoted staff, they reflect on how leaders know when to let go and how to find the right balance between support and autonomy.Debra shares why she prefers hiring for potential rather than experience, and why the 50th anniversary of DSC is a good time to remember—and question—your founding principles.Then, a fiery segment on meetings, sparked by England cricket captain Harry Brook’s comment that meetings are a waste of time. Debra is having none of it. The hosts explore how meetings are actually crucial to effective leadership, team building and problem solving. Expect talk of De Bono’s Six Hats, appreciative inquiry and “what if” thinking.Finally, they wade into the eternal debate: are there too many charities? Debra and Peter offer a firm defence of choice, diversity and grassroots energy, arguing that the sector’s complexity is a strength, not a flaw.Plus: cricket, cats and a few gentle digs at Thames Water.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: Gabby Poznansky

Episode 42 takes us from Somerset cricket glory to some of the sector’s toughest debates.Peter kicks off with tales of nail-biting wins and rubbing shoulders with cricket legends at a South African charity event. But the conversation soon widens to Freddie Flintoff’s Field of Dreams and the unseen, everyday role of charities in keeping society ticking.From there, Debra and Peter tackle flags and patriotism. What do symbols really mean? When does pride tip into exclusion, and why do flags make some people feel celebrated while leaving others intimidated? Expect frank exchanges on history, nationalism and belonging.Then it’s on to Prince Harry’s £1m donation to Children in Need. Does motivation matter, or should charities simply welcome the funds? This leads into a wider exploration of “tainted money”, trustee responsibilities and the Charity Commission’s rules on refusing donations.It’s an episode full of sharp contrasts: cricket and community, pride and discomfort, generosity and suspicion. And as ever, Debra and Peter bring warmth, candour and a touch of humour to the hardest questions in the sector.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: Justin Martin

Episode 43! Debra and Peter dive into some of the toughest issues facing the UK charity sector and wider society.They begin with Peter’s joy at Somerset’s cricket triumph before quickly turning to more serious matters: the protests around Donald Trump’s state visit, the disturbing rise of racism and anti-immigration sentiment, and how politicians and the media fuel unfounded fears. Debra argues strongly against framing prejudice as ‘legitimate concerns’, and both hosts reflect on the stark contrast between attitudes to Ukrainian refugees and asylum seekers from elsewhere.The conversation then shifts to leadership. How long should a chief executive stay in post? What’s the difference between a tough job and one that makes you miserable? Debra shares frank stories about her early years at DSC, including staff hostility, and gives practical advice on tackling bullying—whether from above, below or sideways.Plus: some sharp words on government reshuffles, and why constant ministerial change makes life harder for charities.What do you think: are immigration fears being mishandled, and how long is too long in a leadership role? Let us know in the comments.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

Episode 44... and Debra and Peter’s 44th birthday, right? 🎂 (well, not quite, but close enough 😉).This week’s conversation covers three big themes in the charity world:First up, party political conferences. Are they really worth the time and money for charities, or just expensive networking sessions filled with bad white wine? Debra and Peter share why these events can feel unwelcoming, tribal, and sometimes downright pointless.Next, they explore a bold move: five funders teaming up on a £15 million initiative to tackle child poverty. Is this the future of grantmaking or just a well-meaning experiment with some inevitable hiccups? Peter reflects on lessons from his Lottery days, and Debra unpacks the risks and rewards of genuine co-funding.Finally, the spotlight turns to the power and responsibility of funders. From local grant officers who truly know their communities, to the tension between AI automation and the irreplaceable human touch, they discuss how funders can use their voice and infrastructure to make lasting change.It’s a mix of sharp insights, humour, and a reminder that sometimes the best birthday treat is just a pizza in front of the telly.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

One year of episodes! Number 45 finds Debra and Peter in full flow, fresh from twin birthdays and a Swiss mountain of sourdough.This week they tackle a big one for the sector: the new idea tying immigration status to volunteering. Debra argues it tramples the spirit of volunteering and risks turning a gift into a threat. Peter tests the counter case to see if there is any value in encouraging connection and community understanding, before both land on what really matters for civil society.That opens up a wider conversation about how we make up our minds. Hearts or data. Speed of thought or depth of thought. Why cut through is useful, but only if it points to the right things. There are shout‑outs to smart thinking, poor framing, and the danger of letting slogans do the heavy lifting.Finally, they look at the NHS going more digital. Online bookings and video consults can be brilliant, provided no one is left out. Debra shares practical wins and frustrations, Peter recounts an epic rearranging saga, and they both weigh up convenience against the risk of missing the human cues that keep people safe.Have a listen, then tell us what you think in the comments. If you’ve binged all 22 and a half hours since episode one, we salute you and gently suggest a cup of tea.Links mentioned:• Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow • Gyles Brandreth’s Rosebud podcast conversation with Richard Osman - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/richard-osman/id1704806594?i=1000716764317 • Joanne Lockwood’s article on personal benefit bias - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jolockwood_most-people-on-linkedin-wont-click-through-activity-7378677611574538240-pZ7U?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAXFFmEBuE48r931JfDxY9By6LgWGDUJkvU• NHS plans to expand online access and appointments - https://www.england.nhs.uk/2025/09/new-nhs-online-hospital-to-give-patients-more-control-over-their-care/Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode.YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blázquez

Episode 46! Debra and Peter wade into the thorny territory of when, how and whether charity leaders should speak publicly. From the right to protest and the importance of timing, to the realities of social media and the messenger effect, they explore how good intentions can collide with legal limits, organisational duty and a very online world.Curious about where you stand? Here are some of the questions we wrestle with:• Are charity leaders more constrained than business leaders when speaking out?• When should a chief executive speak as an individual and when as the organisation?• Does timing around sensitive anniversaries change what responsible protest looks like?• Why does the same idea land differently depending on who says it?• Is LinkedIn getting harsher for sector debate or just louder?• What does the law actually stop charities from doing at election time?Along the way: a few stories about recognition, memory and how social media shapes familiarity, plus a reminder that two things can be true at once — and that nuance still matters.Send your questions to jblazquez@dsc.org.uk or comment below for the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock TylerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter WanlessLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blázquez

Peter and Debra kick off with a reality check on London-centric assumptions in the charity world. From senior rail cards to £100 peak trains and the admin faff of claiming expenses, they dig into how travel costs and unpaid expectations quietly exclude voices we need at the table. If you’re outside the M25 or balancing freelance income with volunteering, this one will resonate.Then it’s leadership without the hero cape. Do leaders build success or just claim it? Using the week’s headlines as a springboard, Debra questions credit-taking in public life and in charities, while Peter reflects on sharing credit, taking responsibility and the messy reality when multiple crises land at once. Culture, policies and consistency take centre stage: brief them, model them, repeat them.There’s also a warm moment as Peter heads to an annual council meeting to receive honorary recognition, plus a wry note on how big speeches get reduced to a single line in the minutes. We round off with practical tips: why you should re-brief key HR policies, the value of acting-in-absence, Christmas party conduct reminders, and why senior leaders should show their face at socials but not stay too long.In this episode: • London-centric habits, travel costs and inclusion • Should trustees and speakers always have expenses covered • Credit, responsibility and the real job of leaders: culture, culture, culture • Policy briefings that prevent tribunals • Acting-in-absence and what really reaches the top • Socials etiquette for leaders: attend, then leave • Recognition, legacy and that one-line-in-the-minutes feelingTell us what you think or share your own experiences in the comments. If you’ve got a question for Debra and Peter, pop it below and we’ll pick it up in future episodes.YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: José Blazquez

In this week’s episode, Debra and Peter dive into some big conversations with their signature mix of honesty, humour and candour.Debra shares why bad board paperwork is her ultimate bugbear – and how her new speed read booklet is here to help charities do better. From baffling acronyms to unhelpful agendas, she explains why it’s not about paperwork, it’s about information.Then Peter brings news from the NSPCC’s annual council meeting and a powerful story from the Soldiering On Awards. The duo also reflect on the latest Third Sector podcast with Laura Kerby from Prostate Cancer UK, whose charity faced backlash for a campaign targeting Black men – despite the evidence supporting it. Debra and Peter unpack the ethics of corporate partnerships, public reactions, and standing firm when it matters.Finally, inspired by Polly Neate’s reflections on men interrupting women, Debra and Peter turn the mic on themselves to ask: do we do this too? What does it mean to be an ally, and how can leaders use their power better?All that, plus chutney, jelly, and a few leadership confessions.🔗 Resources and Mentions:Debra’s new book: Speed Read: Board Paperworkhttps://www.dsc.org.uk/publication/speed-read-board-paperwork/Third Sector Podcast: “How Prostate Cancer UK is dealing with political and ethical concerns” featuring Laura Kerbyhttps://shows.acast.com/third-sector/episodes/how-prostate-cancer-uk-is-dealing-with-political-and-ethicalYouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler:https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless:https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

In this episode, Debra chats with the only man who insists on being called ‘Sir’ even by his Gmail account: Sir Peter Wanless himself.What starts as a bit of banter about names quickly turns into a deep (and surprisingly funny) dive into one of the toughest balancing acts in the charity world: how to pay your staff fairly while keeping your beneficiaries front and centre.Debra and Peter unpack the recent SSPCA strike, the challenge of justifying salaries in the sector, and why transparency and trust are everything when times are tight. They also explore the eternal charity dilemma — “efficiency” versus “effectiveness” — and Debra makes a strong case for ditching words like overheads in favour of essential resources.Plus, there’s chat about restricted funding, fundraising with purpose, and how not to accidentally turn your charity into a bad high street shop. And if that’s not enough, Peter rounds things off with a podcast recommendation from the Institute for Fiscal Studies: https://ifs.org.uk/podcasts-explainers-and-calculators/podcasts Money, meaning, and a dash of Sir ‘Pete’ flair. It’s all here in Episode 49 of Debra and Peter are doing a Podcast.YouTube Subscribe: YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social ChangePodcast Producer: José Blázquez

From village welcome drinks to national data debates, Peter and Debra explore what happens when good causes meet strict rules and unexpected generosity. This week they look at the ICO’s proposal to loosen restrictions on how charities contact supporters and reflect on the long shadow of the post-GDPR years.Debra argues that charities shouldn’t feel guilty for asking, while Peter recalls the fine line between smart targeting and privacy overreach. They also discuss the Molly Rose Foundation’s dramatic leap in income and the tricky ethics of anonymous donations.All that plus a new party in Peter’s honour, a mysterious sister-in-law in the annex and the perils of small-village gossip.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez