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The Power of Being Seen at Work: Mattering Matters
Episode 166
Friday, June 13, 2025 • Duration 40:16
“Mattering,” is one of the most underrated superpowers in the workplace!. Not "I got a cupcake on my work anniversary" mattering—but the real, gut-level kind where you feel seen, valued, and essential. Turns out, this isn't fluff. According to Crina, It's fuel.
Now, let’s clear something up: mattering isn’t the same as belonging. Belonging says, “You’re one of us.” Mattering says, “You’re essential to us.” It’s not just about being invited to the meeting—it’s knowing your presence changes what happens in the room.
We explore how leaders can make mattering happen through one simple (but wildly uncommon) practice: noticing. It’s seeing your team for more than their output. It’s remembering that Ava’s prepping for a big client meeting or that Margaret is quietly holding the team together. As an example, it is the lovely leader who wrote down one meaningful detail about each employee every Friday and followed up on Mondays. No grand gestures—just consistent, personal attention. Her team was consistently the most engaged in the building.
And it’s not just about seeing—it’s about hearing. We go beyond the nod-and-smile version of active listening to something deeper. It’s listening for total meaning—what people say, how they say it, what they don’t say, and what they’re feeling underneath. It’s following up. It’s asking, “What did you mean by that?” or “How did that feel?” or “Tell me more” and being ready to actually hear the answer.
We also talk about how to affirm people without sounding like a motivational poster. True affirmation is personal and specific. It’s not “you’re amazing”—it’s “your attention to detail really added to the quality of our work product.” When people feel their unique strengths are noticed, they show up stronger, take feedback better, and stay longer.
Ease. Meaning. Joy. They’re not nice-to-haves. They’re what happens when people know they matter. Let’s get after creating some mattering!
There’s a persistent and punishing myth out there: that a college degree is the only ticket to a good life. Spoiler alert—it’s not. And the people hit hardest by this myth? Women without degrees, especially women of color, who are holding up families, caregiving, and entire communities while being boxed out of opportunity by arbitrary job requirements and social stigma.
Four out of five non-graduates say they’ve experienced some form of judgment for not having a degree. Education-based stigma and discrimination among young adults not in 4-year college | BMC Psychology. Many employers still cling to degree requirements as if they are a magic wand for competence. Meanwhile, a generation of students is waking up to the fact that college isn’t the only (or even the best) path. In 2023, there were four million fewer college students than a decade ago. Interesting.
But for non-college women, the journey without packing a college degree is anything but scenic. The economic reality is significant. Half of working-age non-college women aren’t working full-time. Their median annual income is just $35,000—30% less than non-college men. And while non-college men still find decent-paying jobs in fields like manufacturing or construction, the landscape for women is shrinking fast. Their sectors—think retail, caregiving, service—are unstable, underpaid, and rarely lead to careers. Third Way.
And yet, these women are the backbone of millions of households. Nearly four million homes with children rely solely on the income of a woman without a college degree. And while certificates and credentials could help, they don’t offer women the same financial bump they give men. A woman earns just a 16% wage premium from a certificate; men get 27%.
So why do degree requirements still rule? Employers think they signal capability. But studies are questioning the ROI of four-year degrees, and forward-thinking companies (and states!) are finally ditching the B.A. bias. More than 20 states have scrapped degree mandates for government jobs, and Congress is cooking up bipartisan plans to fund non-traditional learning paths through the Stronger Workforce for America Act and the Workforce Pell Act.
Hope and High Performance: the Go Getter for Change
Episode 156
Friday, January 24, 2025 • Duration 33:04
Hope is often dismissed as fluffy sentiment, but is actually a powerhouse for transformation—especially in the workplace. Unlike optimism, which passively assumes everything will turn out fine, hope is active, intentional, and rooted in the belief that our actions can shape the future. It’s the antidote to despair, the spark that turns possibility into reality.
As Brene Brown reminds us, hope isn’t a fleeting emotion; it’s a cognitive process. It counters the suffocating weight of hopelessness, which arises from negative thought patterns and self-blame. Instead, hope is a skill—one that can be learned and harnessed to drive individual and organizational success. Psychologist C. Rick Snyder’s research defines hope as the ability to create pathways to goals and summon the motivation to pursue them. This dynamic combo of "willpower" and "waypower" sets hopeful people apart, making them more effective problem-solvers and leaders.
Rebecca Solnit takes it a step further: hope thrives in uncertainty. It acknowledges the unknown but embraces the idea that our actions matter—even if the outcome remains unknown. Optimists may wait passively for better days, but hopeful individuals roll up their sleeves and get to work. History is full of hopeful changemakers whose influence often became clearest after their time.
In the workplace, hope is a game-changer. Studies show hopeful employees outperform their peers, producing more creative solutions and tackling challenges with grit. Hope ignites virtuous cycles: workers who feel supported develop stronger waypower, creating a ripple effect of collaboration and resilience. Organizations with shared visions of hopeful futures—whether it’s making breakthroughs, changing lives, or improving margins—fuel collective motivation and perseverance.
Leaders play a vital role in cultivating hope. Here’s how they can turn hope into strategy:
Set Shared Goals: Align teams around meaningful, values-driven missions.
Empower Teams: Give people agency over their work.
Celebrate Progress: Highlight wins, big and small, to reinforce a sense of control and accomplishment.
Hope isn’t naïve or impractical; it’s a deliberate belief in action. It builds connections, creativity, and growth. By anchoring strategies in hope, leaders can steer their organizations through uncertainty toward brighter horizons. Hope doesn’t just dream of a better future—it equips us to build one.
Finding Meaning at Work Part 1:Harnessing Your Values
Episode 66
Friday, August 13, 2021 • Duration 41:48
A key to finding meaning at work lies in your ability to align your daily tasks with your values. It doesn’t matter what kind of work you do, it only matters that you, personally, know what you care about and express those values in your job. When you find meaning, or purpose, at work you are more productive, healthier, resilient, and more fun to be around!
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In Part I of a two part series on finding meaning at work, our hale and happy hosts spend some time diving into what meaning is, why it is important and the backbone of meaning - identifying your values.
What are we talking about when we say meaning? Meaning is the connection between two or more things or ideas that together fulfill a higher purpose, create esteem or admiration, have a positive impact, transcend our instincts or our view of what we can achieve or makes sense (aka lofty goals). This is according to Kirsten and The Meaning of Life (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Meaning is not happiness, it is not good character. It is the connection between ourselves and one of those “lofty goals.” Sometimes we find meaning because we are providing for our families, or helping someone else, being of service, discovering something new, solving problems, protecting the environment etc . . .
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT?
“People who live their purpose at work are more productive than people who don’t. They are also healthier, more resilient, and more likely to stay at the company. Moreover, when employees feel that their purpose is aligned with the organization’s purpose, the to include stronger employee engagement, heightened loyalty, and a greater willingness to recommend the company to others.”
The Best Coworkers are Trauma-Informed
Episode 65
Friday, July 30, 2021 • Duration 38:17
Trauma and toxic stress is pervasive in the workplace. You, your friends, your coworkers are all dealing with some version of trauma from, among other things, adverse childhood experiences, the pandemic, climate change, natural disasters, poverty and racism. While all events impact us individually, it’s important to recognize the signs of trauma and normalize trauma-informed workplaces.
In this episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work, our dynamic duo takes on trauma. The pandemic is a traumatic event, whether we know it or not - although its impacts on us individually are very different.
This episode draws from an article advancing a trauma informed approach to work - and while we of course need to be aware of our own trauma, being aware of co-workers’ trauma is important in creating the kind of workplace we all want - one with ease, meaning and joy.
Trauma is physically or emotionally harmful or life threatening experiences with lasting adverse effects on our functioning, mental, physical, social, emotional, or spiritual well-being. This can be things like a physical assault, verbal abuse, witnessing someone else endure these experiences. Kirsten and Crina think that toxic and prolonged stress has much the same effect as trauma. Think the pandemic, racism, political unrest - yes, friends, we have had it all.
When we experience trauma or toxic stress, we can feel disassociated, persecuted, depressed, negative and disheartened. We can experience physical pain and discomfort, nightmares, insomnia, mood swings and panic attacks. And things we may struggle with in normal times, like anxiety, become more difficult to deal with.
Our brains are literally hard-wired to deal with trauma and toxic stress. When the brain senses danger, the amygdala springs into action, which causes the sympathetic nervous system to fight, take flight, or freeze. Blood and oxygen are diverted to muscles and away from our brains, and a surge of adrenaline enables us to fight or take flight. Cortisol is released to inhibit any pain that might slow us down. All systems not crucial to survival are suppressed. Basically, the “survival” brain overrides the “rational” or “thinking brain” in the cerebral cortex, where rational thought and executive functioning, like problem solving and cooperating with others, take place. And when your brain sends these signals over and over again, well, it is overwhelming. Now, imagine that you have to show up and work - or these things are going on at your work - yikes!
Difficult Conversations Don't Need to Suck
Episode 64
Friday, July 16, 2021 • Duration 41:45
Advocating for yourself, confronting a coworker, asking for a raise...these courageous conversations are nerve wracking at best and in some cases, cause great anxiety. But avoiding difficult conversations is not an option if you want ease, meaning and joy at work.
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As most of us know – things are bad out there. We are fractured about politics, COVID, black lives and all sort of other things. As we have become fractured and unable to engage in meaningful conversation about our positions, beliefs and opinions, we “other” each other.
“Pew Research did a study of 10,000 American adults, and they found that at this moment, we are more polarized, we are more divided, than we ever have been in history. We're less likely to compromise, which means we're not listening to each other. And we make decisions about where to live, who to marry and even who our friends are going to be, based on what we already believe. Again, that means we're not listening to each other. A conversation requires a balance between talking and listening, and somewhere along the way, we lost that balance.” Celeste Headlee: 10 ways to have a better conversation. When we do not know and understand each other, it is easier for us to dismiss, denigrate and discriminate against each other.
It turns out not addressing difficult issues is also creating problems at work. We spend almost three hours a week at work dealing with a workplace conflict caused by people who should have taken part in a difficult/courageous conversation. About a third of these conflicts lead to personal injury or attacks, 22% of us are sick because of these conflicts and about a third of us leave our jobs because of one of these conflicts that could be solved with difficult conversations. The Work Conversations We Dread the Most, According to Research.
What makes a difficult conversation so hard? It turns out that it is fear and embarrassment. Emotions are high – we are angry, upset, frustrated, disappointed. We are afraid we will lose something we will care about or something will challenge our identity and sense of self.
Attractive Women Make More Money
Episode 63
Friday, July 2, 2021 • Duration 35:32
Every day before work, women shave, shampoo, condition, exfoliate, moisturize, cover-up, tone, powder, brush, style, spray, whiten, clip, paint, smooth, enhance, conceal, deodorize and pluck (did we miss anything?). In fact women spend an average of 27 minutes a day getting ready for work, use somewhere around 16 unique products on their bodies and spend thousands of dollars on clothes and shoes.
Why do we do this? Some women use clothes, hair and makeup as a form of self expression, which is great! But many of us spend time on appearances in order to protect ourselves, fit into the mold and be “acceptable.” Remember what the patriarchy told you: ladies need to look the part in order to be successful.
The truth of the matter is that a woman’s appearance can impact her income, status, and how others perceive her at work.
According to Leah D. Sheppard, an assistant professor at Washington State University who conducted a variety of experiments testing others' perception of attractive women, found that “beautiful women were perceived to be less truthful, less trustworthy as leaders, and more deserving of termination than their ordinary-looking female counterparts.”
On another note, a seminal study conducted by NYU sociologist Dalton Conley and NYU graduate student Rebecca Glauber found that women’s weight gain results in a decrease in both their income level and job prestige. By contrast, men experience no such negative effects.
According to a landmark study from Cornell University, white women who put on an additional 64 pounds, experienced a 9% drop in wages. And according to a 2007 paper from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, there is a statistically significant "wage penalty" for overweight and obese white women. ("Previous studies have shown that white women are the only race-gender group for which weight has a statistically significant effect on wages," according to the paper.) The obese take a bigger hit, with a wage loss of 12%.
The Urgency Trap
Episode 62
Friday, June 18, 2021 • Duration 40:25
When every one of your tasks is urgent, you quickly lose control. In fact, when trapped by urgency, your stress increases, your judgement declines and your anger and anxiety become front-and-center. So how to get out of the urgency trap and start getting yourself some ease, meaning and joy at work? The answers might surprise you!
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In the episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work our hosts tackle one of the most significant negative impacts on your ease, meaning and joy in the workplace - URGENCY! Yes, the topic is the hair-raising, spine-tingling, sweat producing, pulse racing and shallow breathing of urgency.
When something big or just everything feels urgent, we experience:
A rise in stress hormones
Executive function decline
Memory, judgement, impulse control deteriorate
Anger and anxiety centers of the brain are activated
And once we experience those things, we experience:
Low energy
Cravings
Insomnia
Irritability
Anxiety
Poor concentration
Before you read on - just consider for a moment the bullet points above - a buzzkill on your ease, meaning and joy!
When every task is the most urgent, it limits our mind’s ability to think creatively. Problem solving is nearly impossible, and we resort to rushed, bad decisions that cause our team’s more time and effort in the long run to correct.
Urgency also gets in the way of the things our higher selves want to accomplish - diversity, equity and inclusion, which require us to consider our biases and question our assumptions and conclusions. While we all experience urgency - white culture seems to embrace the nettle of urgency in an almost reverent manner. Sometimes we white folks equate our self worth with the urgency of our attention to someone or some task.
Five Generations Walk Into an Office
Episode 61
Friday, June 4, 2021 • Duration 36:53
For the first time in history, there are five generations in the workforce...yes, five! And while this might cause some struggles with communication (ahem...did someone say mute?), and possible differences of opinion, it turns out that we all want many of the same things. Yep, we’re talking about ease, meaning and joy.
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In this episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work our hosts consider the impact of five generations of humans on the workforce - yes 5!! Workers from their early seventies until their late teens. In their quest for ease, meaning and joy at work and at life, let’s dive into what this means for us!
The five generations in the workplace include:
Traditionalists – those in the early seventies or later. These folks are shaped by the Great Depression, World War II, radio and movies. They are motivated by respect, recognition, and providing long-term value to their employer. Their communication style is personal. Their worldview values obedience over individualism, age equals seniority and workers move up the ladder. These people are respectful and loyal.
Baby Boomers are in the mid fifties to early seventies. These folks are shaped by the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights Movement and Watergate. They are motivated by company loyalty, teamwork and duty. The communication style of these people is varied - face to face, person, phone - whatever works. Their worldview is that achievement comes after paying one’s dues; and sacrifice equals success.
Generation X are folks in their early forties to mid fifties. They were shaped by the AIDS epidemic, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dot.com boom. They are motivated by diversity, work life balance and their own personal-professional interests rather than company interests. Their worldview favors diversity, they are quick to move on if the employer fails to meet their needs, resistant to changes at work when it impacts their personal interests. Their communication style is also what is most efficient.
Millennials are folks who are twenty-one to forty. They were shaped by Columbine, 9/11 and the internet. They are motivated by responsibility, the quality of their manager and unique work experience. Their world view is seeking challenge, growth, and development; a fun work life and work-life balance; likely to leave an organization if they don't like change. Their communication style isIMs, texts, and email.
Ready, Set, Rest!
Episode 60
Friday, May 21, 2021 • Duration 36:57
Rest is so much more than sleep. Our minds and bodies also need rest from things like mental stimulation, social encounters, creative endeavors and emotional outputs. Taking time to truly rest your mind, body and soul is the ultimate self care regiment and a direct line to ease, meaning and joy at work, and in life!
SHOW NOTES
On this episode of Crina and Kirsten Get to Work, our hosts go deep on rest. Of course, there is sleep, but oh so much more. We expend different kinds of energy throughout the day - mental, creative, sensory, physical and social. Consider one meeting in your day - you use mental and possibly creative energy, if you are on Zoom, you are taxing your senses by what you can (and what you cannot) discern from Zoom and you are probably using some of your social energy as well. How is that we renew and restore? No question rest is a big part of the ease, meaning and joy equation.
Why do We Working Women Need Rest?
According to Saundra Dalton-Smith in The 7 Types of Rest that Every Person Needs, “[w]ithout attention to rest, we are creating a culture of high-achieving, high-producing, chronically tired and chronically burned-out individuals.” According to psych central, 70 percent of visits to the doctor are due to stress-related health issues. “Rest is the only way to engage the part of our nervous system that allows for relaxation.” It is literally vital for our physical and mental health.” The 7 types of rest that every person needs | (ted.com)
What Does the Data Say about the Effectiveness of Rest?
Researchers at Stanford did a series of experiments looking at the effects of walking on creativity, as measured by a test of divergent thinking—which asked people to come up with novel ways of using an everyday item, like a brick or a doorstop. The researchers compared participants’ performance under four conditions: while walking on a treadmill, while seated inside, while walking outside, or while being wheeled outside in a wheelchair. Their results showed that walking and being outside each separately led to better performance on the test. Moreover, in one experiment, the researchers showed that the benefits of walking on creativity did not fade immediately, but carried over into performance on future tests.
The takeaway? The “paper ceiling” is cracking. But breaking it wide open means recognizing that skill, drive, and talent don’t come with a diploma. It’s time we rewrite the rules—and the résumés—to build a workforce that actually works for everyone.
Simply put - meaning is good for us and good for the workplace. Meaning at work makes us:
2.5 times more likely to be free of dementia
22 percent less likely to exhibit risk factors for stroke
52 percent less likely to have experienced a stroke
And if this wasn’t enough, individual purpose benefits organizations, too… People who find their individual purpose congruent with their jobs tend to get more meaning from their roles, making them more productive and more likely to outperform their peers. Igniting individual purpose in times of crisis.
HOW DO WE FIND MEANING:
Ideally, work is a place where you can express your values - it is a calling. There are external factors - the work and the workplace that affect this and well an internal factors.
As always, the good and bad news is that we have more ability to affect change when it comes to our internal experience.
Identify Your Values
Values are the things that are most important in our lives. When values and goals are aligned, we are much more likely to motivate ourselves towards action and success.
According to Simon Senik values need to be actionable Here is his terrific TEDTalk: Honesty is NOT a Value | Simon Sinek Values are not nouns, but actions. He gives these great examples:
Honesty vs “tell the truth”
Innovation vs “allow for experimentation”
Humor vs. “laugh everyday”
Most of us have a sense of our values and can list our values. However, it is interesting to move past your assumptions and reflect on them from an independent source. For example, The Values Project is a decades-long effort to get people in touch with their values. Click on the link to test your assumptions about your values. The Values Project | Let's reveal what matters to you. Getting clear on your values is the first step to finding meaning at work.
Most importantly, we need to manage our own trauma and toxic stress - and there are some great strategies for doing so: get outside, connect with people you love and who are energy giving, simplify your life, love on your dogs and cats, find something to be grateful for - (chocolate?), extend grace and compassion to yourself, and reset your nervous system with yoga, breathing, meditation and movement in general.
After addressing what we can do about our own trauma and toxic stress, Crina and Kirsten dive into what about others’ trauma and toxic stress in the workplace. And there are a lot of folks in the workplace with trauma and toxic stress - in fact two-thirds of us have experienced some kind of childhood trauma.
The first step is to educate ourselves - like this podcast! The next step is to normalize these experiences. And provide space for these experiences. As a co-worker, look for the signs of trauma and stress. Be curious, listen and if someone does open up to you, try not to problem solve unless specifically asked, be a witness, hold space. One on one check ins are a great opportunity for this.
If you are in a place to influence the workplace, encourage employees to take breaks, make sure the break room is not just caffeine and sugar, institute scheduled stretching times, consider an educational program for all staff on these issues.
As Oprah says, “I'm really proud to say that even in my worst moments, I've always had the good sense to know that however bad things were, they wouldn't remain so."
Once you identify an issue that calls for a difficult or courageous conversation – get yourself ready. BE CURIOUS. ASSUME THE BEST INTENTIONS IN THE OTHER PERSON AND GET OUT OF FAULT AND BLAME.
Once we get into the right mindset, we can plan our conversation.
What is the purpose?
What are your assumptions?
What emotional buttons do you anticipate being “pushed” and how do you keep calm when that happens?
Plan the first thing you will say in the conversation. Getting off on the right foot is important? What is your opening line?
During the conversation ask questions, acknowledge the other person’s feelings and position, advocate for your position without minimizing the other person and be solution oriented.13 Ways To Have Difficult Conversations With Clients
Let’s get out there and have that difficult conversation in the most courageous way – we can do it!
And as if that isn’t enough, a more recent study by researchers at Harvard University, Boston University, and the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute found makeup was found to increase people’s perceptions of a woman’s likeability and trustworthiness as well.
And finally, although there is no correlation between height and effectiveness or intelligence, a woman who is 5 feet 7 inches tall--well above the national female average of 5 feet, 3.5 inches--will make $5,250 more over the course of a year than a female co-worker standing 5 feet 2 inches.
So what to do about it?
Be aware of your bias
Create a “work uniform” so you don’t have to spend so much time and money on outfits
Stop commenting on women’s appearances. No more, “How are you feeling?” “You look tired!”
According to Tracy Spicer:
Take note of the number of minutes your personal grooming eats up over a day a week and month
Think about all the other things you could be doing
And while Crina and Kirsten like to give you good news, there is bad news here - our brains are hard wired to respond to urgency. In fact, in order to get our urgency rush, we will give up bigger rewards over the long term. See the reading below for the data and science behind “our brains on urgency.”
If we know urgency has negative effects on our physical, psychological and emotional capacity - and how effective we are at work, how do we minimize urgency - and note - our gals are realistic - urgency is our forever friend, but we have some boundaries with that frenemy urgency:
Set realistic work plans - and check you optimism (which in other areas Crina and Kirsten generally encourage, but optimism can really take us to a bad place if we are not realistic about work plans
Set aside time for planning
When we do planning - plan for urgency, what is your response
Generation Z are folks twenty and younger. They were shaped by the Great Recession technology from a young age. They are motivated by diversity, personalization, individuality and creativity. Their communication style is IMs, texts, social media. They are self-identifying as digital device addicts; and value independence and individuality.
It turns out that we can make gross generalizations about each other - see above - :-)! And it also turns out we make even more assumptions about how others think of us.
We all want the same four things:
Working for someone who care about employees well-being
Ethical leadership
Diverse and inclusion of all people
FInancial stability
Tune in and learn how our alikeness is more important than our differences and how our differences create more ease, meaning and joy at work.
Whether you schedule a walk with a friend (or by yourself), commit to get up from your desk once every hour to get a glass of water, meditate for 10 minutes before you start your day or book your solo vacation - get it on your schedule!
If you want to restore your creative energy - get inspired by listening to music, getting outside in nature, watching the sunset or enjoying beautiful art. If you want to restore your physical energy, sleep - of course, but also just sitting. If you find yourself irritable and unable to concentrate, you may have expended too much mental energy - which is classic Kirsten. Schedule a time to take a breath. Crina schedules lunch and commits to healthy, nutritious food and it is an anchor in her day and restorative in many ways. If you are on sensory overload - turn everything off and shut your eyes - just for 10 deep breaths - and avoid going home and turning the tv on - find some quiet. Emotional energy is complicated - are you holding others emotions or has life just sent you on an emotional roller-coaster? Identify what you need - maybe you need to authentically express your emotions in a safe place or to wrap a metaphorical quilt around your tender soul? Social rest is an obvious one for those of us who are introverts - we need time to ourselves, and so do those of us who are extroverts - we just tend to need less of it and sometimes not realize it. Spiritual rest is the energy to find deep meaning, a sense of purpose and belonging and love. When those things are missing from our lives, it may be time to up our spiritual energy quotient. It could be faith or religion, but Dalton-Smith suggests that you can cultivate a sense of purpose with music, uplifting and inspiring videos, focusing on the magical - such as the bloom of a flower or dew on a leaf - and then going back to these moments when you feel disconnected.
Check out Dalton-Smith’s article above - it is a rich trove of ideas and the inspiration for this show.
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